President Barack Obama stirred outrage with his speech at the National Prayer Breakfast Thursday, comparing the atrocities committed by ISIS to those of Christians “in the name of Christ.”
“Unless we get on our high horse and think that this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” Obama said. “In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
“So it is not unique to one group or one religion,” Obama said. “There is a tendency in us, a simple tendency that can pervert and distort our faith.”
The comments drew swift reaction.
Appearing on “The Steve Malzberg Show” on Newsmax TV, conservative commentator Pat Buchanan fumed at Obama comparing the extreme barbarity of ISIS to the Crusades.
“He’s trying to give them all equivalence to what happened in the 11th century to what’s happening today? It’s astonishing,” Buchanan said.
“The whole idea of the Inquisition in Spain – I mean these things are hundreds of years ago. That was a 30-year war long, long ago.
“I can’t think of any atrocities that have really been committed in the name of Christ … There’s no justification anywhere in all the books of the New Testament for any kind of violence on the scale of what we just saw with that Jordanian pilot.”
Buchanan said Obama has a “real problem with the cold hard truth and reality of our times” regarding terrorism.
“There is an element in the Islamic community worldwide, which has awakened and is embarked on a global crusade of its own to conquer western countries,” Buchanan said.
“But first [they want to conquer] Arab and Muslim countries and to impose upon them a Sharia law to expel the Christians, Jews, and the nonbelievers if they’re Shiite and not part of what they consider the mainstream.
“They’re using all manner of violence in order to achieve this, from Boko Haram to ISIS to Ansar al-Sharia and to al-Qaida. Can the president not see the reality of his own time that he’s got to retreat centuries to find what he thinks might be a moral equivalence?”
Buchanan also objected to Obama’s reference to racial segregation laws during the Jim Crow era during the same speech.
“To call it Jim Crow, which was a form of segregation of racists; to say that was rooted in Christianity, it seems to be an absurdity and injustice,” he said.
Former U.S. Rep. Allen West said: “President Obama is the gift that keeps on giving,’ “The Islamapologist-in-Chief attempted to find moral equivalency between the brutality of ISIS and Christianity.”
And in a statement on his website, Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, said “the president should apologize for his insulting comparison.”
Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore, a Republican, said Obama’s remarks were “the most offensive I’ve ever heard a President make in my lifetime.”
Gilmore said it illustrated that “Obama does not believe in America or the values we all share. There is no moral equivalency for the horrific behavior of terrorists whose atrocities are shocking and reprehensible”
Reaction also poured in on Twitter.
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@ Michael Ejercito:
No comparison — because in those cases, the adherents have no conflict between what they call themselves and what they are.
@ dweller:
dweller Said:
It was based on other commandments.
Bernard Ross Said:
lie, deceive, psychobabble, talk about cheeks sitting on faces, calling people vile names, swearing, etc.
dont worry, you are in with lots of others who did the same
they listened to his teachings and then did the opposite.
he seems to have had that consistent effect on folks, for 2000 years,
how odd
🙂
honeybee Said:
huh, do you mean me
dweller Said:
LOL, you simply redefine his christian followers as being non christians…. how convenient.
and yet the Jews know who did it, even if you pretend they never did it.
dweller Said:
Bernard Ross Said:
inspiring or resulting in an opposite behavior than the brilliant sayings which you ascribe to him.
In your case substituting lying, marketing, deception, deceit, packaging, for your boasts of “truth” and in the case of christianity sustituting 2000 years of jew killing, swindling and torture for the brilliant sayings which you ascribe to him.
How odd that over a 2000 year period billions of folks calling themselves Christians did, according to you, the opposite of his teaching. What are the odds of such a result? He says one thing and they do the opposite… not once, not one person….. but billions of them over a 2000 year period.
You speak of his mission as temptation of the adversary as a cosmic sting…
one thing is very strange….
the overwhelming majority of those professing to follow his teachings for 2000 years worshipped him as a god.
It appears that perhaps his mission was to tempt folks into rejecting the one true G_D for the worship of a man
now who would do such a thing intentionally?
Who would intentionally seek such a result?????
Who is capable of saying one thing and communicating something else similar to subliminal messages?????????????????
could it be that the sting was to tempt souls to reject the Hebrew G_D and to worship other gods and men????
who perpetrated the cosmic sting and why was the result the opposite of the teachings??????????????/
who could it be??????????
perhaps you misread the real sting??????
the sting of the unfaithful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo
dweller Said:
all that post but it still concludes with your evasion, you know what he means, we have both been asking these similar questions which you keep evading, I wonder why… 😛 😛 😛
honeybee Said:
thanks…. notice that he hasn’t answered. 🙂
Bernard Ross Said:
and yet you post all that with no answer still. LOL, you continue to evade the issue with red herrings.
cat got your tongue??????
honeybee Said:
Not acording to dwellers definition”
dweller Said:
honeybee Said:
The original!!!
yamit82 Said:
So, are you Bernie ???????
yamit82 Said:
Puddin is for the toothless !!!!!!!!!!
@ yamit82:
Sorry….this is not the road I intended to go down. Smart of you not to pull a Larry King.
honeybee Said:
Some things are a given and need not have to be stated.
Proof is always in the puddin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO04zWdh8_Y
yamit82 Said:
Didn’t say you were ?
yamit82 Said:
Men in Moshe’s time did not play Football/ Baseball or raise children, they were men.
yamit82 Said:
Again, at your age????
honeybee Said:
Didn’t say I wasn’t “vital”
Not many women over 40 who either want or can conceive children.
What kid wants to have a daddy aged 120??
He probably couldn’t throw a baseball or football around. Go hiking or camping with the kids, weekend outings and picnics a whole bunch of stuff modern dads are expected to engage in.
As you said act of production is easy compared with the travails of raising kids.
yamit82 Said:
Moshe was still vital at 120 !!!!!!!!!! Such a man !!!!!!!!!
bernard ross Said:
Good point .
dweller Said:
The same applies to militant Islamist sand Nazi terrorists.
@ yamit82:
Quite so, but it was not commanded against ALL of the land’s hostile inhabitants.
— The Philistines, for example, hostile though they were, were NOT so proscribed, only the Seven Nations.
And when modern Jews receive a similar ‘cleansing” command from Him, they SHALL NOT shrink from it.
But only then.
And not otherwise — regardless of HOW much the demagogues amongst them may wish otherwise.
@ Michael Ejercito:
They can all CALL themselves “Napoleon” too.
Doesn’t mean they are.
The name they claim for themselves tells you more about the image they want to project than it tells you of what they’re, in fact, made of.
You think Democrats are more democratic than members of other political parties?
@ bernard ross:
The disingenuous smearmeister shows once again that he is as clueless as Capt Huff’n’puff as to what the issue even consists of — and is quite content to leave matters that way.
I’m not a marketer.
If I were a marketer, YOU’d never know you were being marketed. And I sure-as-bloody-blue-blazes wouldn’t be speaking freely about what I believe. Indeed, QTC. A fool like PresentCompany would never know what’d hit him. . . .
Paul’s ‘marketing’ was strictly for the purpose of getting the attention of pagan Greeks. If you had something special to tell some first-time acquaintances at a fancy-dress ball, you wouldn’t come dressed for a swimming party. That’s courtesy. And that’s ‘marketing.’
What he said to them, however, was no lie.
Nor was it deception.
Nor is he my ‘mentor.’
Nor have I any idea where you got that notion, but as usual, you’re fullovit in that dept.
While ROSS calls it business.
@ bernard ross:
It was HIS question. It’s up to HIM to make clear any contradiction he perceives based on what HE understands the verses (he quoted) to signify.
@ bernard ross:
There are some places where I might lie.
But I don’t ‘market’ anywhere.
— I’m not in business.
The choice to bold the word “this” in my above remark — about “not on this website” — was strictly YOUR choice, not mine.
There is NO website where I lie
— because there is no website where I use my actual name.
Consequently I’m free to say online precisely what I think; thus, no need to lie when I’m on the web.
‘Opposite effect’ from what? — opposite from speaking truth? Hardly.
Truth is that anybody who uses a name to try linking me to the murderers of my family is a vile asshole and a lowlife scumbag. ANYBODY.
Got that, scumbag?
NOBODY who followed him for ten minutes EVER did such things to anybody — let alone, to his very flesh-&-blood.
But of course it absolutely figures that YOU would shoot off your mouth about him that way. . . . since you’ve never read what he said.
What “brilliant sayings” would those be?
What ‘strange things’ would those be? — backhanding you across the chops?
Nothing ‘strange’ about that; very much in order, under the circumstances.
@ Felix Quigley:
Yes. The two of them appear to have seen the Pal-Arabs as the equivalent of the Catholics of Ireland. Another case of erroneously projecting the familiar onto the blank canvas of the exotic, as imagined by a mind uninformed as to the concrete particuliarities.
Poor judgment, perhaps. Not antisemitism. He offered his condolences upon the passing of FDR as well. Ireland had maintained her neutrality in the War. Since she’d had normal diplo relations w/ Germany, offering condolences on the death of its head-of-state would’ve been standard diplomatic protocol. No reason to assume pro-Nazi (nor pro-Hitler) sympathies on deValera’s part. Questionable taste, to be sure, and execrable judgment; but these are other matters.
When Bobby Sands (who’d been, among other things, an Irish MP) died of his May ’81 hunger strike, the Union flag over Westminister was lowered to half-staff & the British members stood in silence. This hardly indicated sympathy on their part for the late Mr. Sands or his political views; rather it was the protocol observed when an MP dies.
Early in WW2, when the struggle was going well for the axis & Britain was still facing it alone, Avraham Stern & LEHI proposed to make a tacit agreement, if not an actual alliance, w/ the Third Reich to drive the Brits out of Palestine & establish the Jewish state promised by the Mandate, and on which obligations HMG had clearly reneged in the White Paper of ’39. The proposal to connect w/ Germany wasn’t just a wild idea, tossed around in a brainstorming session & then abandoned; there were serious, actual contacts betw Stern’s people & the Nasties (that’s why the Brits hunted him down & assassinated him).
Again, the idea of making an accommodation or arrangement w/ Hitler reflected poor judgment on Stern’s part (tho some on this site will disagree w/ that conclusion, even today), but it’s clear that the LEHI people had no more pro-Nazi sympathies than did deValera.
You just don’t see WHY he does that. It isn’t because he doesn’t believe in leadership.
— Rather, it’s because he fancies himself in the role. . . .
Had a lot of contact w/ anarchists many years ago. They always denied leadership in any formalistic sense. Took me a while to realize, however, that their constant pushing for “consensus” was, in reality, a tool by which they controlled the “masses.” There was no STATED leadership, true enough — but there WAS invariably an unstated pecking order :
— which very effectively controlled, created & directed the “consensus” they sought.
I’ve never forgotten that.
@ dove:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRbL46mWx9w
@ dove:
Thanks Dovel’e, appreciate your concern, really do and I agree with you. But in all truth I haven’t been with a shiksa in over 20 years except maybe some Israelis Russians whose Jewish certificates of kashrut is highly suspect but one can’t do a fact check of every women I might date.
I don’t think at this stage of my life I will be into any more child production. Been there and done that already..
Time to enjoy life and a carefree lifestyle.
PS My oldest grandson gets inducted in the IDF this coming summer.
Felix Quigley Said:
How does a betrayal of the German working class cause a non anti semitic people to engage in holocausts?
@ yamit82:
dweller Said:
you appear to have caused him to get his knickers in a twist
Felix Quigley Said:
which fields of Ireland were you brought up on?
dweller Said:
I think he may be referring to those murdered Jews having to go through your nitzri to get to heaven… I could be wrong but it appears that way to me. I think he was asking if you belived those Jews, who would likely not go through your nitri, would still be able to get to “heaven” according to John.
dweller Said:
on this website you “market” (LOL)
on which website do you lie?
dweller Said:
are you quoting one of your brilliant sayings from your mythological character? He seems to be having the same “opposite” effect on you as those others who followed him for 2000 years while libeling, swindling and killing Jews. Perhaps he was really your “soton” or the anti messiah: filling you with brilliant sayings which then make you do strange things.
@ yamit82:
You work on the assumption that you can change the subject freely w/ this little bait-&-switch game of yours, and that I’ll let you get away with it.
It’s very clear from your question blockquoted atop this post — and which question you conveniently removed (now restored above) before making you comment here — that the subject was not why Jews were murdered, but whether they went to Heaven or Hell, etc, afterward. Therefore, I responded wrt that question. You asked what I thought. I told you.
Your comment shows you for the vile asshole and lowlife scumbag you are.
Dunno how you get that. But then, you never made any comment concerning the verses you quoted. I see no contradiction. If you do, you’ll have to identify it.
Not on this website I don’t
— and you are a vile asshole and a lowlife scumbag.
@ honeybee:
@ yamit82:
Sometime ago I read that the DNA test of the Bedouins in the surrounding area of Israel and other Arabs showed to have
Jewish blood. Some of them new it but they did not want to do anything as to change the status of things. I’m very tired. Perhaps if one of you looks it up in Wikipedia. I remember the article but do not remember where I read it. I receive too many magazines.
bernard ross Said:
Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/native.html
yamit82 Said:
Plenty Coup ?? Geronimo ???? Crazy Horse ???? Churchill ??? Roosevelt??? Truman ???
Felix Quigley Said:
Where and how???? Don’t give me credit or blame for anything w/out saying what it is.
You keep pressing the point of leadership and I ask name a single world leader in the last 100 years worthy of the term leader????
Having a hard time try last 500 years?
Principles precede movements and movements precede leaders.
@ yamit82:
Does this mean that your are going to give up shiskas? If you want to see the continuation of the Jewish people then it would be helpful if you would practise what you preach. When you lived in the U.S.A. you said there weren’t many Jewish women around. You surely can’t say that living in Israel. It’s not that hard…..all you have to do is
THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=298nld4Yfds&feature=player_detailpage
@ mar55:
Well and truly said.
@ honeybee:
It is a waste of time to even try to correct an Irishman who is a RED diaper baby. Their diarrhea od the mouth is legendary. Due more to their RED condition rather than to their Irish birth.
Communists do not know about risking their life’s for others, or an ideal or for love of country. Their loyalty is to a bankrupt ideology that only brings misery, hungry, division and death. Quigley is not worthy to kiss where yamit82 stands. Communists are not humans but rats dressed as men. Cowards who criticize others who have enough to give away what they wish they had. Pure envy. They lack bemoles to be upfront. Do not criticize a PATRIOT. When you are only a mouse.
Felix Quigley Said:
Yamit82 does NOT make excuses for the Germans as you. Yamit82 has risked his like and endangered his heath for the Jewish People.
The miserable Irish remain neutral during WWII. So shut yore mouth, Sugar!!!!
Dweller no disagree DeValera was the essence of the problem because he knew and was Friends with Irish Jews (Herzog was one) who fought for Irish national liberation against Britain but then when the state of Israel was established his Frank Aiken as Foreign Minister began all this crap in the United Nations of supporting the Palestinian Arabs. Then also you must know of DeValera signing the condolences to Hitler
Also I am glad that Yamit here at least is making or beginning o make a clear and definite distinction between the masses of the people and the leadership of the state or states but I have no confidence in this.
Yamit denies the issue of leadership all of the time. He is as crazy as any old Anarchist and Anarchism can never win because it denies the key factor in everything in life, that is leadership.
The reason there was a Holocaust at all was because there as a massive betrayal of the German working class in 1933 at the hands of the SPD and Stalinists of the Comintern and German Communist Party. the German working class was NOT Antisemitic and wanted desparately to stop the Nazis. Yamit denies historical critique. (Proof when has he ever mentioned 1933? I suggest never!) That is actually why he is SO dangerous to Jews and to all of us.
@ yamit82:
I really enjoyed the video and I have been watching some others of Victoria Hanna. Very unusual and interesting. BTW Hanna was another family name in Jamaica but I think they came from christian arabs. I am also suspecting that some of the christian arabs may have been Jews in the past. Barakat is also a name there who I think were also christian arabs but I had the impression that they also thought of themselves with Jewish heritage. I know a Barakat woman who married a Haddad Jew there.
@ dove:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl1epz3tSSA
@ yamit82:
Thumbs up what????????????????? Darlin
@ yamit82:
It’ nice to see you give one and a half thumbs up to a Jewish woman.
This one is deserving of 2 thumbs up!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Su-wZZ4MdQw
@ bernard ross:
Matalon very well known name in Israel.
Jews are the Johnny Appleseed of Humanity. We spread our seed far and wide. 🙂
bernard ross Said:
Not Bad!!!
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/ln/20150121/240115_miss_universe_swimwear/miss-israel-doron-matalon-63rd-annual-miss-universe_4550032.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B88hNdSIcAAVlMG.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TlGKWGstJc
yamit82 Said:
I think that one of his sons,maybe ziggy, is married to an Israeli woman. Also, bobs father was a white man who, I read, his mother or grandmother was a syrian Jew. There is another well known family in Jamaica considered “syrian Jews” who started selling cloth and now have many millions, etc. they are in Israel also, you might recognize the name Matalon both in politics and beauty 🙂
yamit82 Said:
dweller Said:
the disingenuous wordsmith evades the issue just as he does on the same issue on chit chat.
yamit82 Said:
dont forget that in his world he calls it “marketing”, like his mentor Paul, rather than deception or lying. The muslims call it taquiyya.