T. Belman. These countries want Israel to choke on the Palestinians. They see them as a fifth column that will bring Israel to her knees. This is why UNRWA was created. Its mission is to maintain them, not resettle them.
Israel National News Dec 22/23
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley told ABC News on Thursday that Egypt, as well as “pro-Hamas countries” such as Qatar, Iran and Turkey, should take in Palestinian Arabs who flee the war in Gaza.
Asked where Gazans who flee the fighting should go, Haley responded, “They should be going to the Rafah gate and [have] Egypt take them. But I’ve always said that what you should have is that they should go to pro-Hamas countries — Qatar, Iran, Turkey… send them there… Those are pro-Hamas countries.”
“Why won’t Egypt take them? Because they don’t trust which ones are terrorists and which ones aren’t. It’s a sad state of affairs, but the reality of that evil is very clear in Arab countries too. Arab countries have very much always been cautious and know the threats that Iran can place,” continued Haley.
“They don’t want those terrorist proxies coming after them. Saudi Arabia felt the Houthis in that fight for Yemen. Egypt knows exactly what they can do.”
“Instead of the world hitting on Israel, who was brought to her knees in the worst invasion since the Holocaust, why isn’t everybody talking to Egypt? Why aren’t they talking to Turkey? Why aren’t they talking to Qatar? Why aren’t they talking to Iran? Why aren’t they doing something to help the Palestinians? Why is it that you come back to Israel and the US? It’s always the case,” Haley said, noting that everyone loves to help Israel when it is hit, but also loves to criticize Israel when it hits back.
“If [the Hamas October 7 attack] had happened to America, do you not think that we would have hit back? Where are the friends of those pro-Hamas people? Where are the friends of Gaza? They should be the ones doing what needs to be done to save them. It shouldn’t be on Israel, who watched their people get butchered on October 7.”
Falling deeper into the red is the opposite of what Trump, the self-styled “King of Debt,” said would happen if he became president. In a March 31, 2016, interview with Bob Woodward and Robert Costa of The Washington Post, Trump said he could pay down the national debt, then about $19 trillion, “over a period of eight years” by renegotiating trade deals and spurring economic growth.
It rose to almost $28 trillion. It rose trillions of dollars before pandemic and trillions afterwards. So this was a promise not kept. Trump talked like a fiscal conservative prior to the election but after the election he was just a big spender.
Trump is just like the Democrats in someways. He refuses to tackle mandatory spending (programs like social security and medicare). Unless a POTUS is willing to tackle this the deficit will keep climbing and these programs will also become insolvent.
@Sebastien
The deficit increased about $8B under Trump and about $5B was came about during Covid. It is duplicitious to not raise this distinction when discussing deficit spending under Trump.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/haley-rips-trump-for-reckless-spending-00117669
@Bear You are just parroting Haley’s latest talking point. Her proposals won’t even scratch the surface of the debt especially as she says we have to fund the war in Ukraine “until we win.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/haley-rips-trump-for-reckless-spending-00117669
She very cleverly says, “Under Trump and Obama” but it went up much more under Obama.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-national-debt-donald-trump-barack-obama-ee3e613646fe500edf803e57959c776e
I remember Dems decrying the deficit spending under Bush and then the Republicans doing it under Obama and now Biden. It’s a shell game.
Nobody since Reagan actually tried to bring the debt down to nothing. And that created other problems.
And how much of the debt under Trump was incurred due to the economy being shut down and the need to subsidized the out of work population?
@Bear
Feel free to disengage, but I will correct your false comment here. Debt is a serious burden which is manipulated to serve the present at the expense of our children or grandchildren. I am a fiscal conservative, but as such, I have enough awareness of what reducing the deficit would actually entail, and the reforms which would make the pain of deficit reduction are not part of Haley’s platform, and completely incompatible with her foreign policy.
Regarding Trump, I find it informative that you mitigate your concern about Haley with mentions of the Congress but fail to do so with Trump. In fact, the vast majority of spending under Trump took place in response to the Covid psyop, and much of the rest was part of the omnibus bill which Congress leveraged against Trump’s desire to rebuild the armed forces. Without these two sources of spending, his presidency would have been far less expensive than came to be.
So Peloni you believe in proven huge deficit Trump.
I prefer Haley!
I want to see what she can do as POTUS, not what you say she will do or not do.
Surprise we disagree! I now have other things to do with my day. So if you wish to keep debating this feel free to do it by yourself.
While funding 3+ major world wars? I am not sure what economics courses influence your opinion here, but surely you can agree that such foreign policies as Haley is committed to puruse are not compatible with deficit reduction mor even deficit slowing. It is not a matter of Congress or the president, just simple economics, of which I can boast a fair understanding. As I said previously, magical thinking, ie she is lying and her supporters are happy just hearing the words which will never become policy.
@Peloni I do not know if she can bring down deficit as it takes cooperation of Congress. I do know Trump will most likely greatly increase it as he has in the past. She is not as likely to do this because to her it matters unlike Trump. Maybe all she would do is slow the growth of deficit or perhaps decrease it if Congress cooperates.
Trump was for a longtime a Democrat and he spends money just like they do. The interest on the debt is making the US weaker. Unless one has had economic courses they may not understand this!
@Laura
It is a shame that Desantis chose to side with the establishment donors to fill his pockets with cash during his bid for president. He waffled on Ukraine, and attacked Trump and Trump’s supporters rather than actually trying to win their support, most likely because he knew that it is actually the donors who control the machines of power in the US, but this should not and did not ingratiate him to the masses who did give him a fair look.
@Bear
Well this is interesting. So you believe that Haley can bring down the national debt while dealing with Russia in Ukraine, China in Taiwan, supporting Israel and exterminating the Mullah’s? Don’t punt, pivot or deflect. Just respond to this. How do you think this is remotely possible, or is it just her mouthing the words ‘fiscal responsibility’ without the means to fulfill that pipe dream that draws your support.
It’s a shame that the best governor in America, Ron DeSantis, can’t get any traction because the GOP base insists on clinging to Trump who has caused the GOP election losses since 2018.
@Peloni so surprised we do not agree!
@Bear
Understatement of the election, I would think.
Only if the Selection process selects her to be so.
At least Trump, in not suggesting that the debt is a major issue, is honest about something which is apparently important to you. Haley’s dishonest pronouncements about the need to address the debt are incompatible with her Neocon positions and I would think this should be clear to anyone with an inkling of insight as to what would be needed to bring down the debt.
@Peloni what I know as a fact is that Trump massively increased the debt in the past (by $8 – $9 trillion or 39%) and does not talk about reducing it nor seems to care.
He was good at lowering taxes and regulations. This also something Haley supports. She is also for increasing manufacturing output and energy production.
Trump refuses to tackle social security and medicare solvency issues. Haley know it is unsustainable. Yes they differ on some foreign policy issues.
She is more electable in a general election but clearly the primary is Trump’s to lose. Anyway enough of this discussion. No one is changing anyone’s mind.
@Bear
I think it is interesting that you believe that Haley would reduce the national debt. Notably, Haley is looking towards continuing the war against Russia in Ukraine. Of course, you would support her in doing so, but do you honestly believe that the US can fund Zel’s losing gambit in Ukraine without expanding the US debt? And of course, Haley will do more than continue Biden’s neocon military adventurisms because she will have her own such misadventures to pursue with China – do recall recent developments which show that the US allied merchant fleet is defecting to China and the US has no way of adequately fueling its fleet should war break out in the Pacific ($$$). Yet you believe Haley will drop the national debt while taking on Russia in Ukraine, standing upto, if not fighting China, while supporting Israel and hopefully taking out Iran. Now that is magical thinking indeed, and makes your support of her all the more interesting if this is truly a significant part of the calculus in your supporting Haley’s run for president.
The debt is not coming down, not without significant growth in US manufacturing, a Trump like rise in US economic output, and significant reform in Washington which would require ending the Establishment cronyism whose need of reckless Washington spending sprees is only part of the reason why they are investing in the Neocon princess to stop Trump.
But you are correct, she will mouth the words ‘fiscal responsibility’, though you will never see such a thing under her presidency, even if she could defeat Trump and overcome the fraud which she dismisses as unimportant and not material to the election which she will lose.
I like Haley. Edgar likes Trump. I prefer Haley in part only because she wants to create fiscal responsibility to the Federal Government.
Trump has a bad track record on this.
“The national debt increased 39 percent during Trump’s presidency.
By December 21, 2020, with just a few weeks left in Trump’s one-term presidency, the national debt had climbed to $27.76 trillion—a 39-percent jump from the $19.95-trillion debt the country had four years prior when this self-described “king of debt” was sworn into office.”
Edgar says I am 100x times wrong about this. He implies Trump is fiscally responsible because he knows many accountants (BFD). I say he is wrong and tease he does not count because he does not get to vote in the USA. Actually he is wrong on the fiscal issue whether he gets to vote or not.
@Bear
Since when can’t non-citizens vote? Isn’t that the whole purpose of mail in ballots and ballot mules and machine manipulations. In fact, non-citizens do vote, many have likely voted many times within a single election, as have non-humans, ie machines. Hence, the point is not who is casting votes, but why each of us might see one candidate or another as a value over the others as we are not voting with our posts, or not yet in any event.
@Bear 😀 I hardly think polling Israpundits would deliver a representative sampling about much. Do you? But ideas can have more impact than one’s individual lottery ticket, um, I mean, vote. 😀
Where they differ is Ukraine. Haley is gung ho for the war. I’m in favor of an immediate armistice.We need to take Russia off the board instead of continuing to push her into the arms of Iran. Iran sold Russia drones and Russia sold Iran F16s so far. I would not vote for Haley in the primary for this reason, though obviously against Biden or any Democrat it would be a distinction without a difference on Ukraine so it would just be about Israel and she’s terrific on Israel.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here, but if Trump is re-elected, he could do worse than to appoint her ambassador to the U.N. 😀
@Seb, you are correct everyone is entitled to a view or opinion on a subject.
Voters views have potentially consequences, non voters views are not as significant. That is why they poll likely voters and those polls are considered the most reliable.
So non-citizens do not actually count as I said in the first place.
@Bear Well, in that case, I don’t count either as I am not a registered Republican this year. If I had thought this primary would be contested, I would have switched before this year’s November election, as one must in New York. And Ted and all of us in Israel don’t count either unless they can vote in U.S. elections. And theose of us who are Americans, can’t vote in Israeli elections.
I really don’t think one needs to be able to vote to be entitled to voice an opinion. I don’t think one needs, “standing.” Unless one is a judge. I think one can have an opinion about anything anywhere.
Edgar, Trump spent too much money and might not be as bad as the Dems on spending by he was bad on that. I prefer Haley, you prefer Trump your choice. Besides you do not count as you are not a US Voter. So you probably do not care about fiscal responsibility of the USA and its deficit!
Haley talks about fiscal responsibility and the USA needs that badly!
https://marketrealist.com/p/national-debt-under-trump/
“DERRY, N.H. — Former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley weighed in on a two-state solution Tuesday, arguing that “it is not a true conversation” because Palestinians and Iran “don’t want it,” ahead of the expected end of a temporary truce between Israel and Hamas.
Asked by a voter at a town hall here if a two-state solution is possible between Israel and the Palestinians, the 2024 GOP presidential candidate said that when she was working at the U.N., “it was never Israel opposing a two-state solution.”
“It was always the Palestinians and Iran opposing a two-state solution. They never wanted that because they wanted to eliminate Israel altogether,” she said, later adding, “Whatever Israel says they feel like will keep them safe, I will support.”
In 2017, Haley supported a two-state solution while she was the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.
The voter who asked Haley the question also said that Hamas is “teaching their 5-year-olds how to use guns and hate Jews.”
Haley agreed with the voter. She went on to describe a visit to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which helps Palestinian refugees, saying that there was graffiti everywhere that demonstrated aggression toward Jews.
She also said they had textbooks that said things like “You have five Israeli soldiers, and you kill four Israeli soldiers, how many Israeli soldiers are left?” NBC News has not independently verified Haley’s description of her trip.
The former U.N. ambassador said she “had to fight the State Department bureaucracy to” stop giving away taxpayer dollars to that Palestinian organization, a move the Biden administration has since reversed.
In President Joe Biden’s remarks in Massachusetts on Friday on the release of hostages from Gaza, he talked about ending “this cycle of violence in the Middle east.”
We renew our resolve to pursue this two-state solution where Israelis and Palestinians can one day live side by side in a two-state solution with equal measure of freedom and dignity, two states for two peoples,” he said.
Other 2024 candidates have also commented on the idea of a two-state solution since Hamas’ attack.
While speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition leadership summit in October, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said: “Stop trying to say that it’s incumbent upon Israel to adopt a ‘two-state solution.’ Can you please explain to me, how are you supposed to have a two-state solution with people that don’t believe in your right to exist as a Jewish state? It doesn’t happen, you can’t do it.”
Asked about a two-state solution during a campaign stop in Creston, Iowa, in mid-November, businessman Vivek Ramaswamy said: “I don’t support a two-state solution. No, that’s Israel’s decision to make.”
In late October, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said “yes” when asked if a two-state solution was still possible as fighting intensified in the Israel-Hamas war.
Former President Donald Trump has not directly addressed a two-state solution since the Oct. 7 attack, but as president in January 2020, he released a Middle East peace plan with what he called a “realistic two-state solution,” which was rejected by Palestinian leaders. ”
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/nikki-haley-weighs-two-state-solution-israel-palestinians-rcna127148
INNA
If haley changed her position, it would have been totally against her instructions from her President, Trump, and fired immediately.
You give her undeserved credit for just being a loudmouth with insteucted words, a “mouthpiece for her boss without whose approval not a singe word from er would have been uttered.
You give credit to the wrong person, but I suppose you have one of these stolid, immovable unimaginative minds. You’ll throw away your vote on her.
She’ll drop out after a couple of states vote anyway. She has no solidity behind her, no real base of large cash .
I think she’s about 3rd last in the polls with about 5%
GEAR-
Are you serious???? Trump knows more than a dozen accountants. His wheeling snd dealing in large sums with heads of nations and massive corporations, plus his highly expert estimations of his building costs qualify him 100 times more than Haley, who betrayed him when it suited her.
As for her UN performance she was chosen by TRUMP because of her (put on) fiery speaking style, and every word she spoke was on instructions from Trump .
You are very much mistaken this time. No usually ut this time YESx100
Some of you forgot that she threw her boss under the bus over the capitol demonstration. That right there makes her persona non grata for me.
She, like Biden and most Dems, wants to give one of the most corrupt leaders in the world, Zelensky, more money and military weapons than the US can afford to fight an unwinable war and risk WWIII. No thanks. Trump won’t do that because he’s not an idiot and he can’t be bought.
Yes she spoke well on behalf of Israel when she was at the UN as she was instructed to by her boss. Currently she sounds like she’s on Israel’s side. But you can bet that she can switch on a moment’s notice. Remember SHE THREW TRUMP UNDER THE BUS!
There is only one GOP nominee and that is Trump. Any talk of anyone else is just fools talking. Or talking points from Dems who want to divert attention from him.
If Trump is sabotaged from running, then we are in big big big trouble. I would prefer a civil war over letting that happen and simply choose another nominee. I refuse to even talk about other nominees let alone consider anyone else.
@Vivarto I agree with you but if Trump is sabotaged out of the nomination, I would vote for her or De Santis because they also support Israel unconditionally and I am a single issue voter though I have opinions on many issues. And he will be the nominee if the Dems and Rinos don’t arrange some kind of underhanded trick again. The latest move is getting judges and Secretaries of State to take him off the ballot on Orwellian false charges of insurrection.
He needs to be re-elected for faith in the integrity of our elections to be restored and yes, he was the only truly peace president in memory. Again in Orwellian fashion, the globalists, leftists, and never Trumpers portray him as a war monger..
Trump, likely will be the GOP nominee.
I personally think Nikki Haley has what I want in POTUS. Excellent Governor, Ambassador and is a fiscally responsible person (accountant by background), that is not something anyone has seen in the White House forever (including Trump).
She is excellent on her Israeli positions and was and is an articulate defender of Israel.
I also think based on polling and personal analysis she has the best chance of any GOP candidate to become POTUS.
INNA-
Haley being “Great” at the UN was merely as a mouthpiece, carrying out the orders of her President, like all UN Ambassadors.
Get that firmly fixed in your brain and you’ll see they are all stooges and nothing much on their own part except method of delivery.
Haley, being a woman having a fiery kind of delivery did it well. And having beien a governor was more familiar with the politcial crap.
I agree with @vivarto. Nikki Haley said several times she would never run against Donald Trump. But when the billionaire globalists failed miserably with Ron DeSantis, they approached her. She turned out to be just what the globalists want: someone who will keep the money flowing to all those military contractors to create forever wars based not on the need for national security, but based upon the globalist’s desire for world hegemony and the destruction of US national sovereignty.
The majority of Trump supporters se through her, just as they saw through the astroturf campaign of DeSantis which imploded like a burst balloon.
Sadly she did play a constructive role when she was the US ambassador to the UN under Donald Trump, and she did show promise at that time.
Egypt will be willing to take refugees once Hamas is destroyed. None of the surrounding countries will be willing to take refugees until that happens. This is only one of many reasons for Israel to keep going until Hamas is destroyed.
Finally, “Birdbrain” has made a great point!
Haley was absolutely great in UN defending Israel. She has always been wise, reasonable, knowledgeable. And she never changed her position.
TED is absolutely right. There was a time when everybody knew this and it was thoroughly discussed and even declared so by the Arab nations that they are kept as “refugees” to be a running sore..
A new generation seems to have forgotten The new generation of world peoples doesn’t absorb the realities of the previous ones, especially in Israel and the US. especially where they should be the most conscious of this fact.
@shmujew,
Canada went off the rails when Trudeau became their big guy. I used to think of Canada as a place I would want to live if the weather were warmer, but nowadays I shudder at the thought.
Canada is now taking in terrorists
Nikki is very supportive of Israel, but I don’t like her.
She sold out on Donald Trump, to me that so ugly…
She also pushed for antagonism to and war against Russia.
Trump is much wiser, he wanted to make friends with Russia.
The anti-Russian cold warriors pushed Russia into close cooperation with Iran and China.
Anyway, she has no chance to be president, and now no place for her in Trump’s administration.