Lapid informs Rivlin he’s managed to form a gov’t — but difficulties remain
Yesh Atid head beats midnight deadline by 35 minutes, but talks will continue in coming days, with Yamina’s Nir Orbach considering opposing planned government, threatening majority
Lapid urges Knesset speaker to quickly call vote on new gov’t<
@ Bear Klein:
Ok. I understand it now. Sorry.
@ peloni1986:
I answered this below when talking about nuclear Iran all will be against this. The key in Israel is the makeup of the Security Committee (they have the power). This is right-wing controlled and even the centrists are mostly on the same side as the rightists on such issues.
@ Bear Klein:
I am glad to hear that you too lack support for such inappropriate element in the gov’t. I thought this was your opinion.
Have you heard anything about where the government stands regarding JPOA. Or have they just not discussed it that we know of? I can find no mention of it anywhere.
@ peloni1986:
In regards to Iran, Bennett, Saar, Lapid, Lieberman, Gantz are for sure all on the same page. No one wants a nuclear Iran.
Judea/Samaria is the tricky area for this new government. Security in the hands of Bennett and Gantz with the right controlling the Security Cabinet is in good hands.
@ peloni1986:
I am not happy that Raam and Meretz are in a government to be understated. That said Israel does need a government to function. I hope they do a good job. I am leary of potential pitfalls. Nir Orbach already is not supporting the new government as he did not vote replace Levin as Speaker of the Knesset. This government will have a hard time making it very far.
I wish Bibi had stepped aside and hoped Nir Barkat would have run a government of right-wingers.
peloni1986 Said:
This doesn’t reflect my position correctly. Just because I like Bennett, doesn’t mean that I approve of this coalition deal. I do not approve of what was promised to the UAL. I just posted their agreement.. I am particularly against caving to the Bedouin land grab.
But as I understand it, Bibi offered then more. So they both offend me.
I read that 15 Supreme Court justices are about to retire and Shaked made it a condition that she be appointed to the Judiciary Committee and, so far, has been rebuffed. I still can’t fathom why everybody has such a horror of frequent elections. Actually, at the dawn of the American republic, there was a debate held about whether to have frequent elections so that politicians would be more accountable, but they decided that they would waste too much time running for office. Why anyone would want a “functioning” government like the one about to suspend the Kamanetz law and normalize most Bedouin settlements in the Negev in exchange for Raam, which is to say, Muslim Brotherhood, support is really beyond me. Essential services continue to be paid for by extending previous laws. Why does everything have to be planned to death? New construction, for example. It’s like the US with immigration and guns, for example where law abiding immigrants and citizens have all kinds of roadblocks put in front of them, but illegals and criminals are given a pass, in practice. In Israel, Jews have to wait years to get first approvals and then implementation while Arabs break the law with EU support and get away with it, effectively stealing the land from the Jewish people. I’m reminded of Reagan’s rendition of a Soviet joke about an essential repair being scheduled for ten years hence and then the home owner/renter is asked, what time would you like, morning or evening?
@ Edgar G.:
Sorry Edgar, what do you not agree with in my post?
@ peloni1986:
Peloni, I must say that I am throughy disappointed. And our very own group of “defectors” are emerging into the sunlight. VERY disappointed. I’m tired of posting, Some of my posts seem to routinely disappear and don’t reappear, I will just read for a while, with no comments.
@ Bear Klein:
@ Ted Belman:
But, even if you have no sympathy for Bibi and you are glad Bennett is PM, are you supportive of a gov’t with over 3/4 Leftists, Muslim Brotherhood balanced against less than 1/4 Rightest who are compromised by the fact that they will be out of Knessett in case of another election? The ratio could be worse than this if Joint Lists join in. I don’t mean this as rhetoric. It is a fair question, I believe.
Everyone keeps looking at Bibi even as he falls from power – for just a moment ignore Bibi or any personality issues with, from or to anyone. The Right won a massive victory and this gov’t is in deep defiance of the elector’s will but ignore that too. We face Obama’s 3rd Term. There are many difficult tasks that are vital in nature to the State which cannot be put off and will be dealt with by the incoming gov’t. This gov’t is hobbled by lacking a consensus on whether water is wet, let alone the issues that are vital to the State. It has one formative goal in its formation – Bibi.
The best hope for such a gov’t of spare parts is for them to form and get nothing done, but this is not possible. Great compromises will be made should this gov’t not fail. Bennett can’t afford to face an election while all of the others will fail to return to another gov’t so compromise will be the topic of the day or however long this gov’t lasts. But it is unreasonable to think that all of the compromises will be made by the Left and Abbas. Their is no role for anyone to play here, as this eclectic group of MKs will form or not on their own, but for myself, I hope this gov’t fails for the good of all, I hope it never sees the first vote cast. And it has nothing to do with Bibi or Bennett. I did say earlier politics is a personal business, but this arrangement of Redlines and trust all will be well while Iran and Obama are just over the horizon is too dangerous to trust. For me, anyway.
One more thing, I just thought of – where does this new gov’t stand with regards to JPOA? Do they intend to fight it? How can they? Almost all of them support it. And, as I understand the stated Redlines, JPOA isn’t covered
@ Bear Klein:
It may surprise you to learn that I also voted for Bennett and always have. When I wrote that Bibi did nothing wrong, I meant his policies.
You may be right to say he had it coming to him because of how he treated them. Perhaps you are right.
Bennett has proven himself in many ways particularly as Min of Defense. He is also to the right of Bibi. So I am not at all worried that he is now or will be shortly, our Prime Minister.
@ Ted Belman:
Actually Ted, Bibi has treated Bennett and Shaked like manure. Attack them personally and politically. Even attacking his wife. So Bibi got what he sowed. You may also forget Bennett and Shaked and in the opposition because Bibi could not find a place for them. He used them up and spit them out. He also tried to steer their voters to Smotrich.
So they tried to a new route! I hope they succeed. Yes I do not like Abbas or Meretz in a coalition but then Bibi was the one to approach Abbas first.
So I have no sympathy for Bibi at this point.
When all is said and done, Bibi did nothing that justified Saar and Bennett joining with the left, extreme left and the Arabs to remove him. This a travesty. Saar and Bennett sided with the enemy of the right to remove him.
Bennett justified doing so in order to avoid a fifth election which a majority of Israelis supported. So in this sense he was doing what the people wanted except that his duty is not to the people at large but to the people who voted for him.
Nevertheless, it was his call. The only people who are angry or just unhappy are those on the right who preferred a fifth election.
I’ve been doing some more internet research into the political career of Ramsay McDonald, who was Prime Minister of Britain at various times during the 1920s and thirteens. It is a cautionary tale for Bennett, Shaked, and perhaps and the New Hope deserters from the Likud.
MacDonald was one of the founding members of the British Labour Party, and was once considered something of a socialist firebrand. But as time went by and he served in various high government positions, including Prime Minister, his views became more conservative. IN 1931, although he was the Prime Minister of a Labour Party government, McDonald decided to form a “National Unity” government with the Conservative Party. But only a handful of Labour members of parliament were willing to join this government, which was overwhelmingly Conservative.
The Conservatives allowed MacDonald to remain as Prime MInister for the next four years. But he was a figurehead with little real power. His only function was to persuade many voters who had always voted for Labor to vote for the Conservatives. All the power was in the hands of Conservative ministers. MacDonald just chaired cabinet meetings and rubber-stamped whatever the Conservatives decided.
Now deserted by all of his old friends and core constituency, who considered him a traitor, MacDonald’s mental and physical health both deterirated rapidly. His speeches to parliament became increasingly incoherent and confused. He admitted to severe memory loss. After a time, he was accompanied by his personal physician whereever he went.
Finally, the Conservatives relieved him of his position of Prime Minister in 1935. After he retired, his health continued to deteriorate, and he died only two years after leaving office.
What happened to MacDonald on the Left is likely to be a mirror image of what will happen to Bennet Shaked and on the Israeli Right. People are already quitting Shaked’s Facebook page in droves. This trend is likely to continue. The ex-Right ministers will find themselves powerless in a government controlled by the Supreme Court, the Left and Ra’am. The Yamina and New Hope defectors from the right will have little hope of being reelected whenever a new election is held. They will be MacDonald-like has-beens.
I liked this tweet from Herb Keinon of Jpost.
Herb Keinon
@HerbKeinon
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