The Bush letter of ’04: (10 years ago)
As part of a final peace settlement, Israel must have secure and recognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949, and all previous efforts to negotiate a two-state solution have reached the same conclusion. It is realistic to expect that any final status agreement will only be achieved on the basis of mutually agreed changes that reflect these realities
First, the United States remains committed to my vision and to its implementation as described in the roadmap. The United States will do its utmost to prevent any attempt by anyone to impose any other plan.
Israel should maintain that the exchange of letters by PM Sharon and Pres Bush, 10 years ago, amount to an agreement which is still binding today, though Pres Obama has disavowed it. Israel should argue that the agreement is binding on the US and therefore she can continue to build in these settlements. Furthermore it should remind Obama that the US is committed to prevent any other plan from being presented. Ted Belman
New east Jerusalem construction plan gets go-aheadJerusalem District Planning and Building Committee approves plan to build 500 housing units in Ramat Shlomo, across Green Line • U.S. condemns move • President Reuven Rivlin: Jerusalem will not be divided again.
By Yori Yalon, Daniel Siryoti, Yoni Hirsch, Israel Hayom Staff and The Associated Press
Jerusalem’s Ramat Shlomo neighborhood|
The Jerusalem District Planning and Building Committee approved on Sunday a plan to build 500 housing units in Ramat Shlomo, an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood in Jerusalem located across the Green Line (the pre-1967 armistice line). The move was the first step in a long series of approvals needed before actual construction can begin and the process should take years.
The original plan envisioned the construction of 640 housing units, but that number was reduced to minimize damage to natural areas.
The approval drew quick condemnation from the U.S. government.
“It is unfortunate that after the unequivocal and unanimous position last week of the international community opposing construction in Jerusalem at this sensitive time, authorities chose to move forward,” said Edgar Vasquez, a spokesman for the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs at the U.S. State Department. “We continue to engage at the highest levels with the Israeli government to make our position absolutely clear that we view settlement activity as illegitimate and unequivocally oppose unilateral steps that prejudge the future of Jerusalem.”
In an interview with Israel Hayom, President Reuven Rivlin said, “I’m in favor of building in Jerusalem and populating it openly, not with sly moves of one sort or another. Neighborhoods of Jerusalem have been built by all Israeli governments, in the face of large American protest. Jerusalem and its neighborhoods are not subject to debate. The world does not understand that Ramat Shlomo is in the center of Jerusalem and the provocateurs are in fact those who do not want to see the unity of the city. Jerusalem will not be divided again.”
On the other hand, Peace Now director Yariv Oppenheimer said, “The approval adds more fuel to the diplomatic fire and the crisis between Israel and the U.S.”
@ honeybee:
I never go out unarmed te quiero.
Tomorrow I shall purchase another ffirearm a “Glock 30S”
I want more dropping firepower than what I own today.
I gut tells me this is going to get worse beofre it gets better.
But not to worry I am indestructible still have some more lives in reserve. 😉
I was in Beersheba this morning and lots of armed police everywhere.
honeybee Said:
Ravel silly. Be safe, don’t go about unarmed.
Breaking News
Young woman killed in West Bank stabbing attack
Two others injured outside settlement; terrorist shot by guard; attack second of kind Monday
@ honeybee:
Rubenstein?
Two stabbings by Arabs one a Soldier the other a young girl.
Abu Mazens war !!!!!
Time to nip this in the bud today or more if not many more Jews are going to die needlessly.
@ yamit82:
You know he was gay!!!!
@ mar55:
@ yamit82:
Here is treat for both of you, mi mas amigos Judeos, Rubenstein came from the same same city in Poland as my Grandparents.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ox1bjer9mQ
@ honeybee:
I also am fond of Ravel.
Great Tempo could be contemporary >>>
mar55 Said:
My Father gave me this disco when I was a young girl and I have loved it every since. You forgot to mention my beloved Ravel.
@ yamit82:
What about them?
And WHAT ‘bones’ would those be?
Told you already, Yamit, you’re no bone thrower. HB is, but not you; you’re a bone chaser.
But you’ll desperately grab at anything you can find that seems like it might serve as a weapon (even if it later backfires on you). That ‘bone throw’ line is just your current rear-guard recourse (one in an extensive litany) whenever you sense that you’re fresh out of aces.
He’s too smart for that
— he knows I’m no threat to the site; far from it.
In any case, he can’t ban your conscience. You carry it around with you wherever you go. It’s always there, like Banquo’s Ghost, no matter HOW much Old No. 7 you swallow to drown it.
Right. You just don’t know of any specific one to point to as an example.
The circularity is strictly your own, and I refuse to feed it. Maybe you should for this thousandth time enter into an endless circular discussion with yourself. Your conversation partner will then be so much less likely to give you flak.
Wrong about what?
That’s Grade “A” Prime psychobabble.
— You should control it.
@ mar55:
Here is some context
I discovered Rodrigo during the Yom Kippur war Mon Amour was popular on the radio an concerts to the troops and a documentary background music later i discovered the whole piece when I learned to play classical guitar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0qN31fKClE
@ yamit82:
@ yamit82:
Thank you yammit82. I like Spanish music like the compositions from Rodrigo, Granados, Albeniz and some others. Rodrigo is the composer from the famous Concierto de Aranjuez. While he was still student. He went to a conservatory in France where he met his wife. Another musician who people say is as good as he is. A very intelligent woman and Jewish. They have one of these marriages of fairy tale quality. Beautiful children and, very beautiful granddaughters.
Flamenco includes the Canto Hondo. A genre which is an acquired taste and I never heard enough of it to acquire a taste for it or understand it. Nevertheless it was a nice gesture and I thank you very much for your thoughtfulness.
@ honeybee:
Whats cooking?>>>
@ yamit82:
suppertime>>.
honeybee Said:
Better here >>>>>
@ yamit82:
Good to here>>>>
honeybee Said:
I am not always angry and almost never with you 😉 >>>>
Anyway who was pissed at me yesterday? 🙂
yamit82 Said:
If you are always angry, how does one get close to you >>>
M Devolin Said:
Not so bad I had a lot of fun growing up. Except for a few incidents I look fondly on America and those days… I still say it was a better time than today.
…he never gave me grief anymore and I upheld Jewish and my own honor at school Jews avoided me except close friends but my gentile friends loved me… They never saw a fighting Jew. :)”
I just now saw your post, Yamit, that you’ve watched the clip of Snatch. I knew you’d laugh! LOL An awesome story from your past, Yamit. Reminds me of the reading ‘Duddy Kravitz’ and his troubles with Polish antisemites in Montreal. I can’t imagine what it must have been like growing up Jewish.
@ M Devolin:
Thank you for introducing him to me. I have a “thing” for paratroopers.
Beautiful poem, Yamit. Passionate.
Actually, honeybee, he is an American Jew who fought in the 2nd World War with the 101st Airborne. He grew up in Jamaica. His mother was a Russian Jew (apparently strikingly beautiful) and his father originally from Scotland and was a lawyer in Jamaica. He wrote a biography, which I’ve read but forget the title. He won a Pulitzer for poetry back in the 60s. I discovered him in the New Yorker magazine when I was living in Toronto. I’ve read every poem he’s ever written and I think I have almost every book of poetry he ever wrote. He is simply an amazing poet. In my opinion, there is none better, which, I know, is not something we should say about poets.
@ M Devolin:
Here is one of favorites:
Like A Woman
by Uri Zvi Greenberg
Like a woman who knows that her body entices me,
G-d taunts me, Flee if you can! But I can’t flee,
For when I turn away from him, angry and heartsick,
With a vow on my lips, like a burning coal:
I will not see him again –
I can’t do it, I turn back
And knock on his door,
Tortured with longing
As though he sent me a love letter.
@ M Devolin:
That is lovely. Is it a Canadian poet??
@ M Devolin:
I’m laughing along with you… Really type cast for movies.
Reminds me though when I was in HS I was really into it with a Jew hating Polak even remember his F name Robert Novashelksi. We were on the same football team and I called him for a fight off school grounds and the word got all over school by the time I got to where the fight was to take place half the school was there. I walked through the the growing crowd looking for him and the I got blind sided hard I walked right by him not seeing him. Being stunned and on the ground he began kicking my head with what they called then engineer boots more stuns to my head but instinctively I grabbed his legs and wrestled him to the ground somehow wound on top of him and pummeled his face raw. The police came broke it up took me to emergency, the called my mom for like the hundredth time, she saw my face and almost passed out. I was like a hero next day at school wore dark glasses but I could hardly see anyway and he did as well we didn’t have classes together but he never gave me grief anymore and I upheld Jewish and my own honor at school Jews avoided me except close friends but my gentile friends loved me… They never saw a fighting Jew. 🙂
Here is my favourite poem by my favourite poet, Louis Simpson:
As Birds Are Fitted To The Boughs
As birds are fitted to the boughs
That blossom on the tree,
And whisper when the south wind blows,
So was my love to me.
And still she blossoms in my mind
And whispers softly, though
The clouds are fitted to the wind,
The wind is to the snow.
Here it is, honeybee (I’m laughing right now all over again). For Yamit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG_Nwp0wZc0
@ M Devolin:
Every time I find the video of it at the flea market I but it. I give them for gifts to certain people who can apriciate the humor.
@ honeybee:
Below the clip just hit more! >>>
Yes, I’ve watched the movie about a hundred times and still choke from laughing whenever I watch it. My favourite part is when they describe Doug the Head: “…thinks he’s Jewish, tells his family he’s Jewish, but he’s about as Jewish as a fucking monker.” And the Pikers remind me, yes, of my family and all the boxers and their obsession with fighting. My nephew from Florida, who’s sparred with Mayorga down there, introduced me to the movie during one of his visits to the Great White North. The night he brought it over we watched it together and he had to keep pausing it because I was laughing so hard. I especially like the part where the giant Englishman is sucker-punching and throwing ‘Mikey’ all over the place and all the while Mickey is doing his stretches and saying, “So that’s the kind of fight it’s gonna be.” Man, I laughed so hard at that. It still makes me laugh. “Wanna buy a dag?” LOL
@ yamit82:
Lovely poem, where did you find it.
@ M Devolin:
Yes I am, an artist of uncertain talent. Burned down a trailer park? Did you ever watch the movie ” Snatch” it’s right up you ally. All about Irish, Jews and boxers.
@ mar55:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfvdBDq1rl4
Si la mar era de leche
Los barquitos de canela
Yo me mancharía entera
Por salvar la mi bandera
Si la mar era de leche
Yo me haría un pescador
Pescaría las mis dolores
Con palavricas d’amor.
Dame la mano tu palomba
Para suvir a tu nido
Maldicha que duermes sola
Vengo a durmir contigo.
@ honeybee:
Dónde está mi dulce abeja de la miel ??
@ dweller:
Comments #11-15!!! ?????
How you do latch on to the bones I throw you. 😛
Keep going maybe Ted will ban you. 🙂
Just this, there is almost nothing in your comments that are correct. Nothing!!!!!!!
But I will not for the thousandth time enter into another endless circular discussion with you. You have alwasys been wrong and are so now. Control your OCD. Can’t??? You could always try HEMLOCK!!!!
@ yamit82:
Nah, you’re no bone thrower. HB is, but not you; you’re a bone chaser.
But you’ll desperately grab at anything you can find that seems like it might serve as a weapon. So you toss out that lame line about throwing bones, along with other hopeless attempts originating here w/ other warped elements of the walking wounded, like ‘psychobabble’ (even as you yourself practice it). You are not your own man. Pitiful.
Almost. Shoher’s pig plop is hard to miss. Characteristic pungency. In fact, you’ve posted it so many times, I could almost believe that you ARE he, were it not for the fact that for all his foulness (and he is foul), HE can at least write. (You could learn to also, if you’d stop relying on other people’s writing to speak for you.)
Yet lots of readers wouldn’t have known that you posted somebody else’s work, as you provided no attribution, no link, not even quotation marks. So you left me no choice but to call you on it. That’s not ‘chasing bones’; that’s clearing the decks.
ROFLMFAOYSST….. You are such a lying sac of shit — that’s what you’ve shown.
— We both know perfectly well that if you had anything, and I mean ANYTHING — the tiniest scrap of such evidence — you’d be falling all over yourself to post it. You’d post it on every thread, everyday, till your friggin’ fingers fell off. You’d carve it in stone if you could. Anything to deflect attention from the glaring fact that the true, flagrant, CHAMPION plagiarizer around here is none other than your own damned SELF.
As God is my witness, the ONLY work I have ever knowingly plagiarized on this site is my OWN (and Lord knows, I do that shamelessly) — nobody else’s, not ever; not once in over seven yrs.
But then, why would I?
@ yamit82:
Had my earliest surgery 70 yrs ago, on the eighth day [8th] after I was born. (Early enough to suit you?)
— But the part of me that the mohel worked on, at that time, wasn’t exactly the prefrontal lobe of my brain. (Fortunately there are still some of us who know the difference, and what each is for.)
But you insist on my returning soon after I arrive. What’s IN that for me?
Really think you can, eh?
I was reserved & quite circumspect w/ you the last time you made your ‘offer,’ boychik, but I assure you, you wouldn’t do well. You seem not to have gotten the message that other time, despite (or perhaps because of) the gentleness of my delivery in that exchange.
I’m in excellent shape and am more than capable of taking good care of myself.
Are you able to take a fall? — SEVERAL falls in a short space of time? (You’d have to, y’know, and the ground is hard, Yamit.) If any limb of yours so much as touched me, that would be the last thing you did with that limb till it came out of traction. Is the picture coming into a little better focus for you?
How will you explain to your grandkids whenever they come to visit — and for, quite literally, the rest of your life — why their Zayde now always walks funny…?
And all because you reviled your own conscience so intensely that you just had to take a swing at your own, living symbol of it. . . .
@ yamit82:
There are ALWAYS consequences to everything that’s done; no avoiding them.
In fact, there’s a powerful argument to be made for the proposition that together w/ the viciousness of the brothers’ selling Joseph into bondage, the foulness of the mass murder in Sh’chem made the Egyptian enslavement inevitable for Israel’s development.
Some of the sages deduced that; others did NOT.
But if Adonoi ‘agreed,’ He’d have COMMANDED it in the first place — surely not left it to a pair of scheming hotheads to take it on themsleves.
Unlike me, but NOT unlike christian commentators. Notwithstanding your perennial assumptions, I don’t relate to them — but when you first made the dumb-assed comment, a few years ago, curiosity drove me to look them up.
Turns out that most of the Xtn commentators are as mindlessly ready to make excuses for Simeon & Levi as you & Ovadya Shoher. Xtn commentators are every bit as fullovit as you on the subject; fancy that.
You have no sense of fitness, proportion, or perspective.
You also don’t seem to give a rusty screw about DINAH’s feelings (you, to whom feelings are all that counts). Why was she still in Sh’chem’s house? The text says the guy was over the moon in love with her. Do you really think she couldn’t have left if she’d wanted to??? Re-read the account, shmendrick: Gen 34.
@ yamit82:
You mean family & tribal norms like date rape as courtship? — obviously that was acceptable in Hamor’s society. But I thought you didn’t like that — tho they were just doing what was ‘normal’ for them; so what’s the problem, putzele?
(And date rape as courtship is STILL au courant in lotsa cultures, that’s their ‘norm’; you gonna let them off the hook too?)
Canine norms are normal for canines, not normal for persons — time & place irrelevant. That includes BOTH date rape AND mass murder of families & townsmen of those perps who happen to be part of an outgroup.
— It may have been the ‘norm’ for HAMOR’s people, not for haShem‘s people; not for his AM SEGULA.
It’s mass murder, dickhead — NOT believing ‘Judaism.’ But then, you aren’t a believer; you’re a partisan. Big difference; critical difference.
Was the deed explicitly commanded by God? (Yes or No?) — Case closed.
As a partisan, you just can’t conceive of the possibility that Jews could actually do something WRONG. So you explain it all away w/ reasoning tortuous enough to break a snake’s back instead of forthrightly facing it head-on.
Among other things, yes. And he realized that he had not allowed himself & his family enough space apart from the existing culture for which rape of this sort was considered an acceptable way of relating to women even for the purpose of matrimony.
You don’t know that. If he’d had no problem w/ the deed itself, the benediction on Simeon & Levi would not have incorporated a CURSE.
Repeat, you don’t know that. Silence may betoken all sorts of things.
Furthermore, the text says only that he was silent after hearing of the rape and until his sons came home from the field. Says nothing of silence AFTER that.
And even if he was silent after that, what of it? Jacob was traumatized by the news of the rape and (apparent) captivity of his only daughter, then he was traumatized again by the horrific news of his sons’ murder of every man in Sh’chem. Shock can easily render somebody temporarily mute; sometimes MORE than temporarily. . . .
Y’know, for somebody who’s seen combat, you seem inordinately oblivious to the effects of PTSD. How many guys come back from a war zone and are ready to talk about what they did, saw, or heard?
How many guys come back & even proceed to OFF themselves because they can’t keep carrying around w/ them the toxicity of what they did or beheld any more than they can TALK about it?
Shock is not a new phenomenon, specific only to the past hundred years — and it frequently leads to silence, just makes a person nut up. . . .
@ yamit82:
Nu, ask him. . . .
What ‘Paul the liar dwarf’ would that be? If you KNEW of one, you’d have shown me. Still waiting, bigmouth.
You are Herod’s pig.
How so? — I think it was a very sound & sober observation. Are you suggesting that it ‘WASN’T’ in fact what I saw?
You are projecting your OWN, canine ‘morals’. . .
SHOW me what he ‘said’ about it, bozo. (This should be good . . .)
Nonsense. It’s YOU who ignore the text. I REPEAT:
There isn’t a smidgeon of textual evidence that Jacob ‘agreed’ w/ the mass murder of the city of Sch’chem and a great deal of evidence that he did NOT. See Jacob’s final benediction upon each of the sons [Gen 49]:
I used to write poetry. But I had my heart broken and then burnt down a trailer park. And that was the end of my artistic expression.
You’re a painter, honeybee?! No way! I would love to see your work.
@ mar55:
I bought and old postcard at the flea market [c. 1930] with the photo portrait of a Flamenco dance named Pablita. I use the portrait for a painting on a 30/24 canvass and she looked beautiful. I hang it every in the Spring. I also have painted Mexican dancer in their colorful costumes.
@ honeybee:
Honeybee, there is passion in flamenco. The gypsies from Spain came originally from India. Flamenco has many forms.
There is from Bulerias,, from Soleares, from Alegrias, Seguidillas. Martinete (mostly from Granada) and, a couple of others I can’t remember. Sevillanas of course are very elegant. There is a lot of passion in any of those dances.
The particular one that you did select is flamenco as its finest. Thank you. It brought back memories.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Not in Texas and certainty not Israel. For the BBQ or the ” Howling Blue Norther” that head our way next week, remember them:
http://www.keyingredient.com/recipes/5204190/albondigas-spanish-meatball-soup/
@ honeybee:
For sure. But there is no contradiction between a kickin’ ass able and willing s.o.b and being trustworthy, etc.
dweller Said:
Now what would yeshu say???? 😛
What would paul the liar dwarf say??? 😛
You are projecting your yesu morals as defined by what paul the lying dwarf said, not what the Text says, nor do you account for family and tribal norms of the time, Family and tribal honor and later by extension National honor.. But hey that’s Judaism and something alien to you christian yeshu Zombies…..
Jacob was afraid of the blow-back not against the deed for it’s own sake and that’s why he remained silent he was one of the chickenshits. Not one of my heroes. Our sages deduced from the fact that since there was no blowback, to G-d’s agreement with the deed. Apparently unlike you and your christian pshychobabble.
Yours alone [AH] you have no concept of tribal and extended familial behavior of feelings as you are incapable of them. You must have had your lobotomy at an early age.
I’d rather be Herod’s pig than a dog of yours.
The above in blocked is graphic evidence of your madness!!!
You are really a sick person beyond remedial help. I’d send you a gun if that will help or my offer of a free ticket to Israel so I can personally put you out of you misery …. Chickenshit Fruitcake!!!
I have given you that quote so many times over the years you must know it by heart by now. Idiot I keep throwing you bones and you keep chasing them…..
But I have shown you to be plagiarizer and you ignored my catches HMMM!!!! …. Go find them yourself idiot I don’t have time for your BS you are no more than an example of the arrogance of Ignorance a truly insane piece of work.
@ yamit82:
Higher moral plane? — quoi??? A curious characterization for cold blooded murder, and mass murder at that.
Accent not on the word SISTER, but on the word OUR. It wasn’t about her; it was about a POSSESSION of theirs.
— I’ve had dogs which acted precisely the same way when other canines came onto their turf & approached one of ‘their’ bitches for an afternoon of friendly fun & games. (Funny how THEY too always instinctively went for the genitals first, and w/ great viciousness. But then, they were dogs.)
No. That’s the ‘lesson’ which they “gave” to OVADYA SHOHER [Samson Blinded blog], from whom this asinine discourse was lifted verbatim by someone with a simpatico pathology.
What ‘national’ matters??? — there was Jacob’s family; no nation. What hellacious horseshit.This was before the famine which would bring the family to Egypt.
There would be NO ‘nation’ until the mutually squabbling tribes would find themselves forced to unite, under the monarchy, to deal with the Philistine threat — three or four hundred years after the Exodus.
Translation: ‘…and the sister is always our property.’ There, FIFY.
@ yamit82:
He was in shock, you imbecile. . . . (Why is it so hard for you to put yourself in somebody else’s shoes?)
There isn’t a smidgeon of textual evidence that he ‘agreed,’ and a great deal that he did NOT. See Jacob’s final benediction upon each of the sons [Gen 49]:
yamit82 Said:
She’s to skinny y sin passionate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPhCIKFkfg4
@ yamit82:
Very perceptive of you. Look up the word, irony.
Well, there’s assuredly no doubt that ONE of us is in denial.
Good counsel. You should take it.