Netanyahu: I want Trump to help us reach a two-state solution

Watch: PM says Trump a friend of the Jewish people, expresses hope he will nix Iran deal – and pave the way for a Palestinian state.

By David Rosenberg, INN

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu expressed optimism about the incoming Trump administration and its ability to work with Israel on pressing matters in the Middle East, telling 60 Minutes he expected a more productive relationship with the President-elect than with his predecessor.

During the sit-down interview with Lesley Stahl, Netanyahu praised Donald Trump, saying his support for the Jewish state “is clear”, and referencing Trump’s recent statements regarding his “warm feelings” towards Israel.

“I know Donald Trump. I know him very well. And I think his attitude, his support for Israel is clear. He feels very warmly about the Jewish state, about the Jewish people and about Jewish people. There’s no question about that.”

In contrast, Netanyahu mentioned the “differences of opinion” between himself and outgoing President Barack Obama, citing the Iranian nuke deal.

President Trump, he suggested, would be far more inclined to dismantle the Iran nuclear agreement – something Trump himself claimed on the campaign trail.

But aside from signaling some enthusiasm in discussing the Iran issue with the President-elect, the Prime Minister said he also hopes the warmer ties with the White House could enable progress on the diplomatic front – and even a final status agreement including the establishment of a Palestinian state.

“I’m willing to negotiate with [the Palestinian Authority] at any moment,” said Netanyahu. “I haven’t reversed my position. I’ve said, ‘Look, we will solve this because we want two nation states at peace and with the proper security arrangements.’ Two states for two peoples…. that’s where I’m focused.”

“I’d like to have President Trump, when he gets into the White House, help me work on that. I’d like to see if the Arab states can help me achieve that. It’s a new reality. A new possibility.”

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  1. @ yamit82:

    Budgetary considerations were seldom factors to favor or deter decisions concerning critical national defense requirements. The US could then keep on printing dollars for some time…:) Maybe that changed.
    We in turn cannot afford that nor will be able to so do later. Things must work, period. Fog or shit flood.
    On budget or close to it… sometimes.
    The military fat piling is renowned.
    I have a coffee mug used by F-18 pilots that was given to us by a wing officer after a successful Tiger Team job we did for them. Gold plated, terrific detail and quality all around…
    Now about the F-35. While my venerable pals, the F-16 and F-18 are still up front there as viable option, the F-35 will fade… We can read militarski very well.

    I would like to comprende mixed operational sorties using stealth and standard aircraft. How does that work?
    I no unnesrtan… 🙂 The fantastic sneaky aircraft go in and attend to air defense problems and then the real aircraft will fly in… OK. How will the team hide the standard aircraft which will localize their cousins?
    I see, it is a corollary to the famous “leading from behind” strategy by the fellow at the WH.

    It was less than intelligent telling us that the Italians decided not to allow the take off due to weather conditions. Are they in charge of those decisions involving such aircraft? Really?

    Anyway. The steroid packed fellow can calm down. Lockheed will not let him down.

  2. @ yamit82:
    Yamit,
    The F-35 is a monumental question mark at the very least. We both know facts that we prefer not to disclose, others just bypass the openly known details and attack further disclosures to please what drives them.
    More than a trillion dollars later and several decades of fumbling with the untenable we ended up eating that crow.
    Besides uniquely closed to scrutiny and exchange or repair components and many other items including structural and avionics related assemblies and systems, the F-35 has many failings still to be redesigned around. I doubt that many key elements in that at times flying cauldron can be in fact “fixed”. That all besides the fact that it is highly likely that the Russians at least are able to detect that Dumbo machine.
    Ample warnings have been issued by credible professionals about embarking on the folly, to no avail. At times it looks as if some echelons desperately WANT that we remain subservient to others to… advance a deadly political agenda.
    I wish all the honest patriots well and that we get out of the hoopla land of subservience and dependence on trash bags traps with or without wings.

    Vignette about special components included on two still front line aircraft. A certain plant in Phoenix was an old, very guarded special components development facility. My experience with special components goes back to the old Rauland Plant in Chicago’s Grand Avenue.
    Well over 60 years ago…
    I worked there and also at the Phoenix plant at times on some perhaps still secret items called “hybrids”. Sealed electronic micro assemblies part at least of two front line aircraft. they were not allocated outside the firm’s controlled sections. If an M..D or MP…P failed due to the failure of one or more of those hybrids, back to the shop no matter were the aircraft was parked. I still have representations, photo samples included on line manuals for operators training of the audit seals used to cover the assemblies access ports.
    The F-35 is quite likely to be infested by no entry gates. Not just four hybrids and hand assembled memory core.
    Nuf said…

  3. Jack Crisler, the Vice President of the F-35 Business Development and Strategy Integration at Lockheed Martin, praised the F-35 fighter plane and the Israeli technology it incorporates at the inaugural ceremony marking Israel’s acquisition of its first F-35s.

    Crisler said that the delay in the aircrafts’ delivery was decided by the Italian government and did not reflect their ability to perform in inclement weather conditions. “It’s not a problem with the aircraft,” he stressed.

    “Israel will be the first country to declare initial operational capability outside the United States. They will join the US Air Force and the US Marine Corps in that declaration,” he said.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/221626

  4. @ yamit82:

    Watch liberal pundits try to minimize and rationalize this by making nonsense claims that Islam is science-friendly and change the subject by bashing American Christians. The pundits are even funnier than this Moslem lunatic.

    Saudi Cleric Says the Sun Rotates Around the Earth

    https://youtu.be/RqGt0YV1AMQ

    Then again, this is coming from the UK. Maybe this is like Samizdat. If they appear to be criticizing Islam, they could be arrested or certainly pulled from the air. That’s probably the only way of getting the info out, whether they believe what they are saying or not.

    “Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.” David Horowitz

    So true. What’ s the difference between a Stalinist and a liberal?

    A: While a Stalinist pretends to be a liberal, a liberal on the other hand, pretends to be liberal. It’s the article, you see. How’s that for hermeneutical exegesis.

  5. Sebastien Zorn Said:

    I guess that’s better than the old joke about the man who takes his little son fishing and the son is asking him all these clever questions about science and nature and the universe but the man just keeps having to say, “don’t know, son.”

    A renowned genius once asked a student, “What are you watching when you sit on a hillside in the late afternoon as the colors turn from yellow to orange and red and finally darkness?” He answered, “You are watching the sunset.” The genius responded, “That is what is wrong with our age. You know full well you are not watching the sun set. You are watching the world turn.”

  6. @ Sebastien Zorn:

    The real money is in producing and sales of finished product. Israel as yet does not have a strong enough Industrial base to take advantage of our own technology…. that is largely the governments fault….

  7. @ bernard ross:

    F-35 Triggers Conceptual Overhaul in Israel Air Force
    By: Barbara Opall-Rome, December 11, 2016
    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/f-35-triggers-conceptual-overhaul-in-israel-air-force

    Sunday, December 11, 2016
    [Has elements Israel can’t repair] F-35 Triggers Conceptual Overhaul in Israel Air Force

    Dr. Aaron Lerner – Take note of this important line in the item:
    “Of course, some elements we may need to send to another place to fix. But
    in most cases, we should we able to replace them from what’s on the shelf …
    The important thing is that we will not send aircraft out of the country.”
    Here’s the truth:
    1. There are large key components of the F-35 that WE CANNOT TOUCH. We can
    only pull them out of the jet and replace with the spare on the shelf.
    2. We are going to have very few of these spare large key components.
    3. The SLIGHTEST problem in such a component that under normal circumstances
    might be addressed in a few minutes by an Israeli tech (replace a washer,
    filets, etc.) mmeans getting thatmuch closer to exhausting the stock of
    spare components.
    4. If and when the day comes that someone in the White House wants to limit
    our ability to continue an operation it would be child’s play for supply
    delays to slash the number of combat ready jets.
    5. In fact – even without malice, this set up can easily lead to a situation
    that most of the jets are out of service during the course of a major conflict that drains our resources.

    This mean the Americans can control our AF and the use of these white elephants er Jet fighters… That makes them particularly useless without American approval and they cost so much 😛 Worst of all it locks us into Israeli vassalage to American Masters for the next 20 years for a POS we never should have purchased… I smell major graft involved as it was then DM Barak and BB who approved the deal even though the Americans didn’t want us involved. I think Lockheed was the prime mover as Israel purchases sell planes.

  8. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:

    Sunday, November 27, 2016
    Hubris on steroids: Lockheed Martin Israel CE Joshua Shani tells “Globes” about Israel’s newest fighter aircraft

    Dr. Aaron Lerner –

    Dear Reader.

    The Israeli F-35 salesman says “it’s amazingly stealthy. Simply amazing,”

    Well, dear reader – it is so amazingly stealthy that the Russians and the
    Chinese already TODAY have the technology to track it.

    Oops.

    And we are talking about a piece of equipment that is supposed to provide
    service for many decades – not years.

    So if there is already technology out there already to track the F-35 today,
    what are the odds that Iran and whatever else is out there in a couple of
    years doesn’t also have that technology – and that the tracking is
    integrating into some kind of targeting system.

    Please don’t get me wrong. I have no doubt that Lockheed Martin Israel CE
    Brigadier General (ret.) Joshua Shani is an Israeli patriot.

    But like most of the Israeli military he’s apparently a “best case scenario”
    kind of guy.

    Consider all the military who pushed for us to trade the Golan Heights for
    gizmos and kept pushing for Israel to withdraw from pretty much everywhere
    in exchange for “appropriate security arrangements”.

    Let’s be clear about this:

    – Israeli gizmos are going to be loaded on a piece of equipment that in all
    likelihood will NOT be stealth for the bulk of its performance life.

    – The F-35 platform threatens to have unprecedented down time thanks to the
    leading edge composites its made from that are both extremely sensitive and
    tremendously time consuming to repair.

    – The F-35 platform has many sealed “black boxes” that are “plug and play”.
    We can’t maintain or repair them – just switch them An easy stranglehold on
    us if the day comes that the man in the White House wants to keep us on a
    tight leash.

    – The resources allocated to operating and maintaining this huge inventory
    of jets will require not investing in some other critical projects.

    Yes. We face tremendous challenges.

    Yes. We have to think out of the box.

    But is staking our survival on a “stealth” jet that already isn’t stealth
    really thinking out of the box?

    Israel’s F-35s to have unique secret components
    Lockheed Martin Israel CE Joshua Shani tells “Globes” about Israel’s newest
    fighter aircraft.
    Yuval Azulai – Globes 27/11/2016,
    http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-israels-f-35s-to-have-unique-secret-components-1001162840

  9. @ yamit82:

    Israel does that a lot, I’ve noticed. How many Israeli inventions were just sold outright to foreign companies.
    From smart phones to cherry tomatoes.

    “So You Want to Boycott Israel? Here’s A List of Products and Services You Need to Start With….” [judging from the web address, it’s from one of our christian-zionist friends. We need all the friends we can get.]

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/jesus-love-is-so-great/so-you-want-to-boycott-israel-heres-a-list-of-products-and-services-you-need-to-/820698877940154/

  10. Monday, December 12, 2016
    CBO: Cancel Plans to Purchase Additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters and Instead Purchase F-16s and F/A-18s

    Cancel Plans to Purchase Additional F-35 Joint Strike Fighters and Instead
    Purchase F-16s and F/A-18s
    (Source: Congressional Budget Office; issued Dec 08, 2016)
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/179479/cbo%3A-replacing-f_35-with-legacy-fighters-would-save-%2429bn.html

    The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program is the military’s largest
    aircraft development program. The F-35 is a stealthy aircraft—one that is
    difficult for adversaries to detect by radar and other air defense sensors.
    The objective of the program is to produce three versions of that aircraft:
    the conventional takeoff F-35A for the Air Force, the short takeoff and
    vertical landing (STOVL) F-35B for the Marine Corps, and the carrier-based
    F-35C for the Navy.

    Through 2016, 285 F-35s had been purchased for the U.S. military: 178
    F-35As, 71 F-35Bs, and 36 F?35Cs.

    Current plans call for purchasing 2,158 more F?35s through 2038. The
    Department of Defense (DoD) has estimated that the remaining cost of those
    purchases, including the cost to complete development, will amount to $265
    billion (in nominal dollars). The Marine Corps and the Air Force declared
    their versions of the F-35 operational in 2015 and 2016, respectively. The
    Navy expects to declare its version operational by 2019.

    Under this option, DoD would halt further production of the F-35 and instead
    purchase the most advanced versions of older, non-stealthy fighter aircraft
    that are still in production: the F-16 Fighting Falcon for the Air Force and
    the F/A-18 Super Hornet for the Navy and Marine Corps.

    The services would operate the F-35s that have already been purchased. By
    the Congressional Budget Office’s estimates, the option would reduce the
    need for discretionary budget authority by $29 billion from 2018 through
    2026 if the F-16s and F/A-18s were purchased on the same schedule as that
    currently in place for the F-35s. Outlays would decrease by $23 billion over
    that period.

    Additional savings would accrue from 2027 through 2038 if F-16s and F/A-18s
    were purchased instead of the F-35s that are scheduled to be purchased in
    those later years. However, the Navy and Air Force are both planning to
    develop entirely new aircraft with fighter-like capabilities to be fielded
    in the 2030s and might choose to replace some planned F-35s with those
    aircraft instead.

    An advantage of this option is that it would reduce the cost of replacing
    DoD’s older fighter aircraft while still providing new F-16s and F/A-18s
    with improved capabilities—including modern radar, precision weapons, and
    digital communications—that would be able to defeat most of the threats that
    the United States is likely to face in the coming years.

    The F-35s that have already been purchased would augment the stealthy B-2
    bombers and F-22 fighters that are currently in the force, improving the
    services’ ability to operate against adversaries equipped with advanced air
    defense systems. The military has successfully operated a mix of stealthy
    and non-stealthy aircraft since the advent of the F-117 stealth fighter in
    the 1980s.

    A disadvantage of this option is that a force consisting of a mix of
    stealthy and non-stealthy aircraft would be less flexible against advanced
    enemy air defense systems. An inability to neutralize such defenses in the
    early stages of a conflict might preclude the use of F-16s and F/A-18s,
    effectively reducing the number of fighters that the United States would
    have at its disposal.

    Another disadvantage is that the services would have to continue to operate
    more types of aircraft instead of concentrating on a smaller number of
    types. For example, F-16s would remain in the Air Force’s inventory longer
    than currently planned, and the Marine Corps might need to field new F/A-18s
    to augment its F-35Bs.

    Depending on how expensive it was to operate the F-35, the added costs of
    maintaining mixed fleets of fighters for a longer period could offset some
    of the savings under this option.

  11. @ yamit82:

    Stupid Israelis…. The cost of American aid to Israel and this is only a drop in the bucket….BB is responsible for holding on to American aid at all costs and it is destroying the country for peanuts……The labor party much better at securing the Industrial core of Israel over short term financial advantages paying for overpriced toys we can’t afford and heaven knows if they will perform when and how we need them. There are better and cheaper alternatives. We gave away Iron Dome to America for peanuts giving them jobs and control over Israeli sales to 3rd parties.

  12. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:

    Then maybe you can answer the question a little boy, the son of one of the choristers in the Church whose orchestra I play in, asked me: “How come they haven’t come up with cars that fly?”

    All I could do was to suggest he google his question and see what comes up. Heck, there are youtube videos on how to tie a bow tie, how long to boil an egg. Will wonders never cease. I guess that’s better than the old joke about the man who takes his little son fishing and the son is asking him all these clever questions about science and nature and the universe but the man just keeps having to say, “don’t know, son.”

    Finally, the man says, “Don’t know, son, but keep asking questions; how else will you learn.”

  13. @ yamit82:

    Navair Sees F-35 Requiring Up to 50 Maintenance Hours per Flight Hour
    (Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted Dec 05, 2016)

    PARIS — Four years into their operational career, F-35 fighters are expected to require between 41.75 and 50.1 maintenance man-hours (MMH) per flight hours, or about three times as many as most fighter aircraft currently operated by Western air forces.

    This extremely high MMH to flight hour ratio is extrapolated from a Dec. 01 solicitation filed by the US Naval Air Systems Command, and which states that the world-wide in-service fleet of F-35s will require 17 million man-hours of maintenance and sustainment in FY 2018 and FY 2019.

  14. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
    @ bernard ross:

    Misleading F-35 Answers Drafted by Pentagon, Testing Chief Says

    Pentagon officials have been preparing a misleading assessment of progress on Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35, the costliest U.S. weapons program, the Defense Department’s chief tester warned.

    “If not changed, the existing responses would at best be considered misleading and at worst, prevarications,” Michael Gilmore, director of operational test and evaluation, wrote in an internal memo criticizing the draft response to questions about F-35 testing from Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain.

  15. @ bernard ross:
    Fog is one of the standard environments that ALL aircraft must be designed to contend with at ALL times. After all low clouds are not different from cumulus. It is not an act of volunteering to do so, it must be so.
    I must accept though that whoever let loose of that remark regarding not flying because of fog is probably not qualified at all. Even a kite can be operated within fog.
    Modern aircraft include deicing systems to attend to ice resulting from freezing clouds. And much more.
    I have no objection to redesign that thing to our needs.
    I reject being sold a bag of yentz with wings and smile about it.

  16. @ Economist:
    Been busy with important stuff so I could not get to your note. Any of those vessels fly? Do they move about in the fog? I have trained at China Lake Naval Weapons Center but I would not consider myself qualified to meddle on that specialty. I know a tad about Military Avionics, though.

  17. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    if there were operational needs the aircraft would have flown.

    I do not understand how that relates to being able to fly in the fog…. what about sternlights assertion that the addition of Israeli military equipment would enable it to fly in the fog… I dont know much about it but I thought they would manufacture the basic plane to fly in the fog. What do you know of this fog flying issue?

  18. @ bernard ross:
    In fact Senior Fellow Engineer, US Department of Defense Military Avionics Programs. I developed patents for application to subsystems used on several of the front line aircraft such as the F-16, F-15E, AH-64, C-130, B-52, C-17, A-10, ATF and derivatives such as the F-22 and the fair weather bird, the F-35, Navy Harrier nigh vision systems, etc.
    Completed two specialized training sessions reserved to a limited number of technologists at the China Lake Naval Weapons Center. Also was an Invited Consultant to the Israeli Ministry of Defense. General Dynamics invited me and my wife to fly to Forth Worth to receive a s special mention related to a critical F-16 LRU I had significant input into. Worked with Sandia National Labs on specific subjects. Consequently, I was invited by Uncle Sam to the 4th of July celebrations at Trinity Site, White Sands Test Grounds, Alamogordo, NM.

    As to the F-35 why, just read Ms. Caroline Glick’s widely published and accurate expose on that white elephant.

    Later this evening some “spokesman” piped to Channel 7 that if there were operational needs the aircraft would have flown. Now, is it not that charming?
    Would that mean that the yet to be trained in full pilots could not fly and train at all times? I find that remark by the spokesperson, clearly talking with the Military Censor’s OK, very much below par.
    By the way. I did my military service here with the Air Force and one of our bases was Nevatim…
    I am totally unconvinced about the wisdom of purchasing the F-35.

  19. Economist Said:

    I designed the US Navy’s fleets of Spruance Class Destroyers and Tarawa Class Amphibious Assault ships

    did your ships fly with stealth in weather?
    Please make your resume relevant to the discussion of F35 and your assertions regarding the fog flying

  20. @ Economist:
    this was a nice bit of reusme boasting but you added nothing of value to the discussion which is disappointing considering you have expertise. Show us what you know, add some depth on this F35 issue

  21. Economist Said:

    I designed the US Navy’s fleets of Spruance Class Destroyers and Tarawa Class Amphibious Assault ships and my work was singled out in the award letter to my then employer for a billion dollars per fleet. I think I know something about military systems.

    In that case why revert to insults? Why not give the forum a serious factual discussion of a more technical nature. The F35 has been the subject here of numerous discussions through the last years.. Shmuel has military avionics experience…. how about a serious discussion on the issues then.

  22. Economist Said:

    Ignorant chip on shoulder remark……
    posts here have moved from rational comment to hysterics.
    ……………..
    Was diatribe about plane being unable to fly in fog. Not the case when declared combat-ready; cheap shot based on new unit non-combat delivery by US pilot. I’ve lost patience with all the vicious Netanyahu bashing by political enemies living in their own fantasy world. Easy to second-guess when you only have responsibility for a big mouth.

    the words and phrases in bold appear to indicate that your posts are not related to any factual arguments but are nothing more than………
    https://youtu.be/cxhwM06lLUs

  23. Economist Said:

    Reference was indicated: Shmuel HaLevi.

    yes, I saw that reference. However, that did not identify which “chip on the shoulder” remark to which you referredEconomist Said:

    Ignorant chip on shoulder remark

    in fact, you still have not quoted the specific remark which you asserted demonstrated the ignorance of the one who stated it… still waiting for you to identify the “ignorant” remark. Surely you wish to explain to us why his remark was ignorant and which remark it was… he made many remarks.
    I am particularly interested because Shmuel has a technical history in avionics of which the regular posters are aware.. and I believe you are also as you have regularly posted here.
    Economist Said:

    Was diatribe about plane being unable to fly in fog. Not the case when declared combat-ready; cheap shot based on new unit non-combat delivery by US pilot.

    Economist Said:

    Delivery prior to installation of special Israeli equipment and acceptance tests is not same as combat ready condition.

    I reread the article and did not see any reference to the cause of the plane NOT flying in the fog being due to a need for Israeli equipment to be installed. I would have thought the plane could fly in the fog without Israeli equipment. Could you be more specific in your evidence and support for your assertion that it needed Israeli equipment to fly in fog?
    are you referring to this:

    The plane would likely not be flying in operational mode, and in war-time activity would likely be able to overcome inclement weather. For the ceremony though, officials were not keen to risk flying the state-of-the-art machine through cloudy skies.

    is that the phrase from which you derived your assertion? Do you have a background in military avionics as does Shmuel? It would be interesting to hear this discussion based on facts especially since I beleive I heard in prior forums hear that flying in fog was a problem.
    I look forward to your providing some additional detailed information demonstrating how your avionics expertise led you to your assertions or at least show us what you based your insults upon.

  24. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
    Shmuel: I designed the US Navy’s fleets of Spruance Class Destroyers and Tarawa Class Amphibious Assault ships and my work was singled out in the award letter to my then employer for a billion dollars per fleet. I think I know something about military systems.
    For details of the approach, first used in the design of the US Navy’s Fast Deployment Logistics Ship program, see (US) Naval Research Logistics Quarterly paper: The fast deployment logistic ship project: Economic design and decision technique (pages 373–387)
    David Sternlight
    Version of Record online: 11 OCT 2006 | DOI: 10.1002/nav.3800170313

  25. @ Economist:
    You are lucky old salami that my original response was set aside by Ted. He is aware of my extensive Military Avionics background. Insolence such as yours is at times source of joy as it indicates that you lack any depth at all on the subject. Insults is your only expertise jackass.

  26. Reference was indicated: Shmuel HaLevi. Was diatribe about plane being unable to fly in fog. Not the case when declared combat-ready; cheap shot based on new unit non-combat delivery by US pilot. I’ve lost patience with all the vicious Netanyahu bashing by political enemies living in their own fantasy world. Easy to second-guess when you only have responsibility for a big mouth.

  27. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    Such mess cannot possibly be controllable using military standards as they are known to me. To what end is the bird flying is unknown.

    if it is substandard and Israel is “paying” for it.. then it follows that the GOI is in on the deceit. I doubt that Israel would pay for something that is a complete waste unless they are being reimbursed.

  28. Economist Said:

    Delivery prior to installation of special Israeli equipment and acceptance tests is not same as combat ready condition.

    to which argument to do you offer this statement as support? the highlight and quote tool will allow you to highlight a phrase like a word document and then click on the highlight and quote button and it will then encase the quote in a “blockquote” box. Then we can see to what you refer when you susequently post your rebutting support.
    See, you posted 3 sentences in one post… all of which I separately highlighted and quoted to show you that others reading your posts can be confused. three vague and confusing sentences and assertions all in one post

  29. Economist Said:

    Anti-government posts here have moved from rational comment to hysterics.

    sould you be more specific? Ted has given us tools to make your posts clear… to which posts do you refer? if you say that folks are hysterical you should use the highlight and quote tool so that they can reply coherently. See, I just demonstrated how that is done.

  30. I mentioned weeks ago that Israel will be faced with the specter of a US president who wants to give the Jews everything and an Israeli government who seeks to obstruct and prevent that largesse…… similar to the situation where the Israel gov lobbies congress under the table to NOT cut off pal funds.
    Here we have BB signalling to Trump NOT to abandon the TSS
    of course, if the so called right wing head says that then how can trump give them more…. BB says it publicly…. why do that?
    trump wants to say “here, take it, take YS…. and BB saying please dont give it to me.
    Now we must humorously observe BB trying to get trump to agree to a 2 state solution…..
    Trump will say what everyone finally says about Israel: these fools dont know what they want, you give them the world and they puke it back up in your face….. the trump opportunity will be squandered on an ungrateful lot.

  31. @ bernard ross:
    Today, earlier, President Elect Mr. Trump identified the F-35 Program as being out of control. True. It was never under control. Such mess cannot possibly be controllable using military standards as they are known to me. To what end is the bird flying is unknown.
    Now. Israeli know how may salvage some value out of it applicable to our use. That is possible…

  32. Ignorant chip on shoulder remark.. Delivery prior to installation of special Israeli equipment and acceptance tests is not same as combat ready condition. Anti-government posts here have moved from rational comment to hysterics. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:

  33. It’s like a bad joke. And you know something’s wrong if the Italians ground you.*

    “Fast, smart, stealthy and versatile, the F-35 can do it all, say its admirers, justifying its hefty $100 million a piece price tag. Just — preferably — not fly in fog. ”

    ‘Could be worse, I suppose. In Spain, it rains mainly in the plane.

    *”Heaven is where…
    The police are British**
    The cooks are Italian
    The lovers are French
    The mechanics are German
    And it’s all organized by the Swiss

    Hell is where…

    The cooks are British
    The mechanics are French
    The lovers are Swiss
    The police are German
    And it’s all organized by the Italians”

    **Forget that one!

    @ SHmuel HaLevi 2: @Bernard Ross

  34. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    what kind of kite it is that it cannot fly in fog or who knows what else.

    perhaps it is just a pass through of welfare aid to a useless boondoggle. If the Israelis are given money to buy it then congress will not have to investigate a white elephant and feeding trough to the manufacturers and political sponsors. I wonder if the aid increases are to cover this purchase… which then justifies the project.

  35. @ bernard ross:
    If it was not orchestrated to deceive the enemies then it is a gigantic slap in the face against the decision to buy the “adir”. I mean honestly what kind of kite it is that it cannot fly in fog or who knows what else.
    Anyway, they are apparently arriving this evening. Yawn…

  36. Typically, Mark Twain pretty much nails the quasi hereditary Judea-phobia fueling ancient and modern antisemitism. But Steve Klein’s quote from Daniel Gordis’ Israel: A Concise History of a Nation Reborn,” notwithstanding I’d say that now is the time – whether effective or not – for major, well and crowd-funded multimedia Tweet-to-Trump campaign to let him know that the majority of Israeli’s reject such a notion as being suicidal and comes from our own undrained swamp. Not to put too fine a point on it.

  37. @ Economist:
    :))) About the speechster there is nothing to ponder.
    His miserable track record is etched in the stones hurled and causing death and mayhem by his “partners”, including headstones from Gush Katif; He vastly advanced the new form of “disengagement”. To those ends he perfected lies, false promises, deceit. Those being his best “contributions”.
    Lets see…
    He buried the Judge Levi Report and never looked back since then, proceeding to bury all Laws that would have likely started to correct the disgrace of self elected judges, his hand picked AG, Weinstein officially sanctioned the torture of Jewish sequestered young people, he stopped any action that may have protected Jewish religious and historic icons, he favored and still does freezing and destroying homes, parts of villages, villages, etc.
    Can hardly beat such phenomenal record.
    Of course his Iran nuclear plans idiotic pony show using cardboard props and markers took the cake.
    What’s to ponder about regarding the item in question? 🙂

  38. Netanyahu will destroy Amona as another one of his sequel of disengagement salami tactics procedures, including but not limited to freezing and slow destruction.
    The Regulation Law will be either buried now or Netanyahu’s peons will destroy it later.
    Netanyahu will not incorporate any part of Samaria or Judea.
    Netanyahu will rigidly enforce his freeing now and later.
    Netanyahu has used and will continue to use every trick and then some to perpetuate what he formulated with Sharon, Livni, Olmert, Hamegbi and several other dredges they siphoned out of the LIKUD plus Lapid the elder.

  39. Hopefully Obama will leave doing no additional damage to Israel in the UN. As others have commented Bibi is playing out the string with the Obama Administration.

    What happens later with Trump and Bibi we will see.

    *Let us see what happens with the Regulation Bill.
    *Let us see if we continue after that by annexing Mal-ah Adumim.
    *Let us see we expand building in Judea/Samaria.

  40. For those readers who believe the PM must be diplomatic, he must “play the game,” he must usher out Obama, etc., Mark Twain wrote about you:

    ‘….Twain spoke with admiration for what Jews had accomplished, with sympathy for their predicament in Europe, and even with some understanding of their renewed desire to create a state in Palestine. Yet Twain also had his reservations. “I am not the Sultan, and I am not objecting; but if that concentration of the cunningest brains in the world were going to be made in a free country . . . I think it would be politic to stop it. It will not be well to let the race find out its strength. If the horses knew theirs, we should not ride anymore.”

    Israel: A Concise History of a Nation Reborn,” by Daniel Gordis

  41. Netanyahu must usher out Obama, that is his task,with the most minimal damage.
    Once Trump replaces Obama, there will be a clarification period. If netanyahu is morphing into something wicked, I guarantee you, there will be new elections before anything untoward can happen. Trump will not be inclined to weaken Israel, so really, give it until spring, OK….where…is there a Palestinian State. No, one on the horizon, no.

  42. Best for Netanyahu to be diplomatic on 60 Minutes. He knows a lame duck is still dangerous, sticking it’s beak into everyone’s business.

    Netanyahu knows the majority of American Jews, and almost every Jewish ‘pundit’, and Haim Saban, have been brainwashed by the Dems clinging to the Oslo Accords.

    Obama44 is still POTUS. His latest volley was to make it discrimination for USA employers to require their employees to speak English, a week after banning residents of public housing from smoking cigarettes in their [suddenly temporary]homes.
    Obama44 might believe he can designate Judea and Samaria as U.S. National Parks, the ancestral homeland of the Last of the Mohicans, whose descendants call themselves palestinians…

    [no disrespect intended to the Mohicans, just riffing on how the Dems turned the Standing Rock pipeline protests into a yuge! civil rights issue for Native Americans, not at all about stopping hydrocarbon extraction.]

  43. And what is new on that?
    The repulsive liar, betrayer is doing what he always did and will do. A miserable, crawling self serving specimen.
    The Jewish people must get rid of the pestilence or the tide of unJews will sink the state. They are very close now.