Following is an excerpt from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s remarks at the start of the weekly Cabinet meeting today (Sunday, 24 November 2013):
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“What was achieved last night in Geneva is not an historic agreement; it is an historic mistake. Today the world has become a much more dangerous place because the most dangerous regime in the world has taken a significant step toward attaining the most dangerous weapon in the world. For the first time, the world’s leading powers have agreed to uranium enrichment in Iran while ignoring the UN Security Council decisions that they themselves led. Sanctions that required many years to put in place contain the best chance for a peaceful solution. These sanctions have been given up in exchange for cosmetic Iranian concessions that can be cancelled in weeks. This agreement and what it means endanger many countries including, of course, Israel. Israel is not bound by this agreement. The Iranian regime is committed to the destruction of Israel and Israel has the right and the obligation to defend itself, by itself, against any threat. As Prime Minister of Israel, I would like to make it clear: Israel will not allow Iran to develop a military nuclear capability.”
@ bernard ross:
Horseshit; you’re transparent, Bernard. It has INDEED been your intent, from Day One, to blame Jesus for Christians.
No need to repeat, Bernard — I do get it: You’re fullovit.
— You just didn’t manage to clean up before you got caught w/ yr butt hanging out in the wind. The posting record isn’t going away.
I’m just responding to your tommyrot, dude. so, if you don’t care for my “tedious rubbish,” you have nobody but yourself to BLAME for it.
Ask CURIO if I am.
Nonsense. I’ve never NOT existed in Jewish shoes.
Quite the contrary, I’ve a very good grasp on it. You’re simply into justifying your emotionalism, as means of giving yourself a sense of purpose.
— it’s phony.
@ bernard ross:
Quite so. But haNitzri did NOT get it ‘wrong,’ not the least little bit
— not by a hair on my chinny-chin-chin.
@ bernard ross:
And anyone who insults my messiah can expect me to return the favor.
No. My worship is reserved for the Almighty
— just as the messiah’s worship was reserved for Him.
@ dweller:
Don’t read it for all I care, intellectual twit.
@ Shy Guy:
There are several paragraphs of text on those pages.
Make your case in your own words, Shy, and if I need verification of support for your view, I’ll check it out.
But I’m not going fishing while the clock is ticking.
@ yamit82:
Again, no. The break was by no means “complete” until the Council of Nicea, 2 centuries later. But it did begin to come into effect after the B-K War, thanks to
— A. the action of B-K, earlier noted, which had forced the Xtn Judeans out of the struggle; and
— B. Hadrian’s subsequent decision to declare the municipality & district of Jerusalem off-limits to “all circumcized persons,” on pain of death. (Even the then-Bishop of Jerusalem was circumsized; the Judean Xtns were all Jews.) Since the heart of the Judean messianic movemnt was in Jerusalem, this meant effectively the destruction NOT of mainstream Judaism (as Hadrian had intended), but instead, the end of the Judean Messianic movement.
From that point forward, Xty was cut off from its Judaic roots, and the gentile Xtns (who, unlike the Jews, had no problem making Jesus into a ‘God’)
This is imbecilic. After the crushing of the B-K Revolt, there was NO place that Jews held power. What followed the suppression of the Revolt has come to be known as the Hadrianic Genocide. . . .
No way, no how — not in 70. Matters remained VERY much in a state of flux for long afterward.
There was no distinct Christianity till well after the B-K Revolt; in fact, until then, all the messianic theologians — w/o exception — had been Jews.
The first non-Jewish theologian of the messianic movement was Justin Martyr, and his writings — Apology (Parts 1 & 2) and Dialogue with Trypho — weren’t written till a couple decades after the B-K Revolt; no earlier than AD 156.
From the same page from which you took the Shaye Cohen assessment:
dweller Said:
In your delusional apparitions, I believe you mistook the late Dr. Joyce Brothers for jesus. Common mistake.
dweller Said:
Read pages 63 and 64, poopoohead.
@ yamit82:
Not at first. And there was nothing “treasonous” (let alone, “cancerous”) about the “dirty christian swine.” The dirt is in your own twisted mind — where it’s always been.
The FIRST part of the effort was a War of National Liberation, and the Xtn Jews were as much a part of it as every other part of the Judean community, which was extraordinarily well UNITED & organized at the beginning. In fact, had it NOT been that well united, it could not have been so well planned (for at least 18 mos before the fighting began) — tunnels, safe-houses, secret weapons fabrication-&-repair, etc, etc.
— In all that time, somebody would’ve taken the oppty to snitch — for fear, for gain, or for relief of the tension. Yet when hostilities finally did break out, Rome was caught TOTALLY flatfooted. Hadrian was forced to call in most capable generals & his dozen best legions, nearly half the entire imperial army, from all over the Empire (some from as far away as Britain & beyond the Danube), and cost the Empire staggering losses in blood & treasure (not to say, diplomatic prestige), making it ultimately the most costly of Rome’s “Jewish Wars.”
The excitement of the early victories, however, went to Akiba’s head — and he proceeded to declare, in a public meeting in the presence of both Bar Kokhba and the rabbinate, that “zeh hamelech ha-moschiach,” that B-K was the King Messiah — and that they should now convert the thus-far-successful struggle into a “War for Moshiach.”
While they had vigorously endorsed the early part of the War, most of the rabbinate (the only exceptions being Acha, Gershom & Akiba himself) — as well as all the Sanhedrin — just as ardently OPPOSED the War-for-Moshiach proposition. R.Yokhanan bin Torta promptly said to him, “Akiba, the grass will be growing from your cheekbones, and the Son of David will not have arrived!”
But the ‘messiah,’ B-K, promptly launched into the new mode, notoriously exclaiming, “God, don’t help us & don’t hurt us!” (viz., ‘stay out of it’) — his impiety was already as legendary as his thuggery — and DEMANDING that all his soldiers from throughout Judea acknowledge him to be not only C-I-C, but also “Moschiach.” There was absolutely nothing about the demand that was in any way essential to the war effort, which until then had proceeded astoundingly well.
But at that point the Messianic Judean troops were confronted with an impossible conundrum:
— As Jews, they had no quarrel with the War of National Liberation against Rome. But they already HAD a Messiah. To comply with the Commander’s demand was to deny their Savior. They had no choice but to leave, or forsake their faith. B-K made it especially difficult for them & persecuted them abominably. They left. They never went over to the Roman side, but they could not stay w/ an army that demanded — unnecessarily demanded — that they forsake their conscience.
Akiba & B-K made an extraordinarily stupid move in changing the war from one of National Liberation to a struggle for “Moshiach.” They effectively weakened their forces, losing the involvement of many erstwhile committed sectors of the population, but most prominently symbolized in the loss of the Messianic Judeans.
The War for National Liberation was WINNABLE. As it was, Judea held out for much longer (3.5 yrs) than was conceivable, at the time, for a little country w/ no professional army. OTHER restive peoples held under the Roman heel were noting the Judean successes, and some of their enthusiasts were joining the Judean struggle. It was clear that it was just a matter of time before other brushfire wars began to break out all over the Empire. Rome might be able to handle a couple at the same time, but not several simultaneously. The strain was already showing back home in the “Eternal City” on the banks of the Tiber.
Had Akiba & B-K simply kept their eyes on the prize instead of veering off into the apocalypticism of a ‘Messianic War,’ there is excellent reason to believe that Judea could’ve held out long enough for those other peoples to take heart, and make their own moves for independence. If so, then not only could Judea’s war have been won, but also the Empire itself might well have crumbled several hundred yrs sooner than it did
— and Jewish sovereignty not have been lost for the next 18 centuries.
@@ yamit82:
This is the sheerest defamatory bullshit — from an inveterate bullshitter & character assassin. No surprises in that dept.
The Judean christians from the first revolt [AD 66-73] were themselves Jews, virtually all of them. There isn’t a smidgeon of evidence that they sided with Rome. Actually they crossed the Jordan to the city of Pella, and sat-out much of that crazy war there — while 3 Judean armies all cut each others’ throats, thereby facilitating a Roman victory.
It is clear enough, however, that throughout the War, and after, the Xtn Judeans were still considered part of the Jewish community — as evidenced by the fact that after the war they were welcomed back from Pella by the mainstream community.
I’d tell you to eat your heart out, shmendrick, but I’m just getting started.
yamit82 Said:
FIFY
@ dweller: If you are serving up any more amusing stories I willl have to have that laugh tomorrow. Good night, sleep tight, and don’t let the gerbils bite. 🙂
continued from last post to Dweller
At least we know from jewish sources that bar kochba existed which gives a better chance of a second coming. We only know about jesus from christian sources and their record of credibility with jews is rather slim. If the Jews had ideas about Jesus then it’s obviously gone the way of bar kochba, and for good reason.
I can’t speak for christian ideas because they mystify me, E.G. one of their long-standing ideas, for 2000 years, is to swindle, libel, torture and slaughter Jews. Apparently you and they recognize the same “messiah”, his resurrection, his virgin birth and expect the guy who got it wrong the first time to return for a replay.
For Jews, getting it wrong the first time is a sure sign of NOT being the Messiah. after a while, for Jews, “he’ll be back” sounds more like Arnold’s 2nd coming.
dweller Said:
nothing to back away from, let me repeat:
bernard ross Said:
How many nitzris dance on the head of a pin, it doesn’t matter to jews; it’s still revolting no matter how many ways you missionaries present it. Whether bar kochba or jesus had virgin births, were resurrected, are purported to be returning for a 2nd performance is all irrelevant; I could say the same about the other guy who died last week. (continued next post)
dweller Said:
nothing to back away from, let me repeat if you still don’t get it:
bernard ross Said:
you are spending a lot of time on tedious rubbish that no one cares about. How many nitzris dance on the head of a pin, it doesn’t matter to jews; it’s still revolting no matter how many ways you missionaries present it. You are a christian, you don’t exist in jewish shoes, you are unable to grasp it. That’s why you keep skipping back to your theological missionary arguments. Whether bar kochba or jesus had virgin births, were resurrected, are purported to be returning for a 2nd performance is all irrelevant; I could say the same about the other guy who died last week.
yamit82 Said:
In his case more likely a gerbil
yamit82 Said:
hoo hah hoo hah hoo hah 😛 😛 😛
dweller Said:
Actually I cant stop laughing at how you have outed yourself as a christian missionary with “packaging” for the Jews. 😛
dweller Said:
Any one who masquerades as the jewish messiah should be insulted. If he did not intend to do so then those who do it deserve insult. You worship as your messiah the name associated over a 2000 year period with the swindling, libeling, torturing and slaughtering of jews. You immediately jump to defend his name like a loyal christian missionary. You pretend to be a Jew based on the fact that you have some torah knowledge: you have “packaged” yourself like paul did but unnlike paul do not own your lies. You refer to lies as “packaging” which is your evidence that you are not a liar. No real jew could worship as a messiah the name most associated with Jewish persecution and suffering.
Bernard Ross Said:
It flies great, : “he didn’t get it right the first time so he will be back” (like Arnold) LOLROFLMAO HOO hah HOo Hah 😛 😛 😛
my reply to dweller disappeared in cyberspace, how does this software work?
dweller Said:
nothing to back away from, let me repeat if you still don’t get it:
bernard ross Said:
you are spending a lot of time on tedious rubbish that no one cares about. How many nitzris dance on the head of a pin, it doesn’t matter to jews; it’s still revolting no matter how many ways you missionaries present it. its only not revolting to you because you are a christian, you don’t exist in jewish shoes, you are unable to grasp it. that’s why you keep skipping back to your theological arguments. whether bar kochba or jesus had virgin births, were resurrected, are purported to be returning for a 2nd performance is all irrelevant; I could say the same about the other guy who died last week. All this talk of virgin births, resurrections, 2nd comings appears foreign to me but torah read missionaries are well versed in these tortured twistings. If you want to worship your “messiah”, go ahead, but don’t expect Jews to buy into that. At least we know from jewish sources that bar kochba existed which gives a better chance of a second coming. We only know about jesus from christian sources and their record of credibility with jews is rather slim. If the Jews had ideas about Jesus then it’s obviously gone the way of bar kochba and you appear to have followed a similar path t o the christians. I can’t speak for christian ideas because they mystify me, E.G. one of their long-standing ideas, for 2000 years, is to swindle, libel, torture and slaughter Jews. Apparently you and they recognize the same “messiah”, rseurrection, virgin birth and expect the guy who got it wrong the firsst time to return for a replay. for Jews, getting it wrong the first time is a sure sign of NOT being the Messiah. after a while, for Jews, “he’ll be back” sounds more like the Arnold’s 2nd coming.
@ bernard ross:
“IMHO”? — in your ‘humble’ opinion? — Since when have your opinions ever been ‘humble,’ Bernard?
I’ve said it a dozen times on this site if I’ve said it once
— and I’ll say it again: Never trust a man who touts his own ‘humility.’ I don’t trust yours, and I don’t trust you.
Revulsion over Jewish suffering is your touchstone for being Jewish. It constitutes your indicator of earnestness, because you have nothing else to go on for yourself. By wallowing in agony, vicarious or otherwise, you give yourself the ersatz sense of purpose you would not otherwise have. It doesn’t make you any more effective in relieving or improving the condition of the Jewish people, but it makes you FEEL committed to it.
I, OTOH, have no use for cheap feel-goods of that ilk. (Been there, done that; but no more. Left that behind long ago.)
To be effective as an activist, one has to be OBJECTIVE — not dominated by his emotions (positive or negative), as they keep him from seeing clearly what needs to be done (and when, and how) : and which often prompt him to make foolish mistakes (sometimes unrecoverable ones).
— Better to keep a level head and let the ENEMY be emotional, let HIM be the one to make the mistakes — and thereby provide for us the opportunity to press our advantage when he does misstep.
Bilgewater. I don’t “trivialize” anybody’s feelings — but I don’t let feelings keep me from seeing straight, I don’t let them prejudice my perception OR my opinions.
Not long enough, evidently, for you.
— Happily, however, not all Jews are as entrenched in their 1800 yrs of social conditioning as you.
What’s more, the undeniable fact is that many self-professed Christians have been coming around. As quickly as I might like? — no, but I will not discourage their awakening; if I can, I will continue to foster it.
“proof”? — invest in a good dictionary, Bernard. Your friends will thank you for it.
I stated my opinion in the matter — it’s that simple — and I stand by it foursquare.
What’s more, as curses go, it’s a stupid curse:
— If it were truly the intent of the Most High to obliterate the name of haNitzri from memory, He wouldn’t need His puny & finite creation, man, to make the decision for Him.
As I’ve already noted, there is nothing ‘humble’ about your opinion — and I’ve YET to knowingly tell a lie on this board.
dweller Said:
Basless? No doubt it was baseless drivel if not worse. Putting lipstick on a pig.
If he was our loss then it is our gain. ‘Lake of fire’ awaits you christian because for followers and believes in false god is the only real sin against the G-d of the Jews. christians are identity thieves (ours). For that you will pay the ultimate price. Hope you are a good swimmer and like heat?
@ bernard ross:
Not me, Bernard. You’re the one who’s into arguing.
Thanks for your opinion, Bernard, but it’s more than evident just who it is that’s been ranting here. Just re-read your own post.
Can’t do that; he never sent me a snapshot.
Oh, it’s no bother, yahnkel (nor is it treif, or anything remotely on the order of porcine manure).
Here’s the deal: If you don’t ask a question about him — or say something absurd or insulting about him — then I won’t have occasion to respond to you about him with a post of my own.
— I’m not the moving party here; rather I’m the responding one.
You tried that one already, Bernard. Didn’t fly then. Doesn’t fly now either.
It’s clear from your tone that ‘laughing’ was the last thing on your mind when you posted the remark.
dweller Said:
BS Lie!!!! Part 2 — DID the disciples die for a lie? Who were those disciples??? Only the death of James son of Zebeedee is described in the gospels Acts 12:1-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh38ygMiY5I&list=PLB0A2437CAB2C4A47 playlist 1-8
Most Jews in Israel refuse to listen or play Wagner because he was Hitlers favorite. Why not the same myth who died on a stick?
After subtracting all those evil ones how many are left 1-? 2-?
You seem to have mastered all the christian apologetic talking points down pat. 😛
@ bernard ross:
Affirmative. (Whom else would I be referring to here?)
I don’t need to put words in your mouth, Bernard, and YOU didn’t need to say he was responsible: your intent was UNMISTAKABLE — and your backing away from what you clearly intended (till I called you on it) shows you all-the-more disingenuous.
LMAO.
Jews know a little something of how apparent coincidences can lead to bigotry. Not all Jews know it, however.
— Case-in-point: PresentCompany.
Obviously in your little world, Bernard, “arrogance” is synonymous with confidence. Not in mine.
LOLROF.
If I am a ‘missionary’ of any sort, it is more on the order of a ‘missionary’ TO the Christians — not from them.
dweller Said:
are you a parrot mimicking me. jesus’ god who sent him got it wrong. anybody can say anything, call anyone a messiah and when he doesn’t get it right and gets hit by a car, you can claim he’s coming back in a few thousand years. the suckers will keep paying and money is to be made until then.
dweller Said:
I know nothing of any gospel records and I don’t care. The guy died 2000 years ago and never came back. you people want to say he is the jewish messiah and did not get it wrong the first time but will get it right the second time. will there be a 3rd time too? if I looked into the dogmas of every cult that tried to hijack judaism I would have no time for anything else. You go on an on, arguing how many angels dance on the head of a pin. It’s all obvious baloney to jews. If there was a question 2000 years ago about whether bar kochba or jesus were messiahs it has long since been resolved, for jews(notice that nobody claim bar kochba is coming back, Jews wont believe it). You and the christians are still hanging on grasping at jewish biblical straws when everyone one else has gone home. bar kochba jesus and others have claimed to be messiah, only the non jews buy into the “I’m coming back story”. Move along, nothing to see here, especially no messiahs. You keep denying you are a christian missionary yet you display all the traits as I have been pointing out all along. Your whole post was a twisted christian tortured analytical grasping at straws rant. you don’t get it, jews are revolted by this christian baloney. why didn’t you hijack a hindu bible,you would have saved us a lot of suffering. give us a break, go worship your messiah in a church and stop feeding jews rubbish. If you want to keep a picture of your messiah on your mantlepiece go ahead, but don’t bother flinging your un-kosher pig plop here. a ridiculous narrative: didn’t get it right the first time so he’s coming back for a replay. LOL
@ bernard ross:
No comparison to Christ; B-K’s outlook was notorious from the start, and Akiba could’ve seen it if he’d wanted to.
The overwhelming majority of the Judean rabbinate did. (Only 3 rabbinical leaders, incl Akiba, were on-board for converting a legitimate War of National Liberation into a War for Moshiach.)
As usual, however, you utterly miss the point (you are such a plodder) — which was that even if Christ HAD been a false messiah (he wasn’t/isn’t false, but even if he were), the mere mistaken belief that he was/is moshiach, even if he were not in fact moshiach, would not, of itself, have been sufficient to render the believer ‘no longer Jewish’ — any more so than it was sufficient in the case of Akiba’s mistakenly believing in B-K‘s messiahship.
No, that was NOT the “obvious proof for Jews” of his day. The stumbling block for the Jews of his day (as distinct from the rationalizations developed since) was the fact that he DIED, and moreover died an ignominious death; they couldn’t handle that. What’s more, he knew they wouldn’t be able to — and he said so, long beforehand.
Every one of the apostles died a violent death (some a most excruciating one), as did many of the other early disciples. (There is indeed no other record remotely comparable to that except for that of Jewish martyrdom generally.) If you think they all were prepared to face that, and did in fact face that, purely for the sake of ‘saving face & maintaining a failed narrative, then you clearly haven’t thought the matter thru.
There is NO evidence that the “odd idea of a second coming” was apocryphal to the original gospel record. (Nice try, but no cigar.)
Quite so. In other words, of itself, it neither proves — nor disproves — anything, one way or another.
All that is ‘apparent’ is that anybody can say anything, which is what you’ve done here.
And whose god are you talking about — Akiba’s? (Do you read over what you’ve written BEFORE you hit “post”?)
Bernard Ross Said:
I assume you are referring to the Christians who used the name and symbol of Jesus to swindle, libel, torture and slaughter jews for 2000 years?
Putting words in my mouth? I did not say he did it, I do not even know if he ever existed. However, for Jews, his name is associated with 2000 years of swindling, libeling, torture and slaughter of the Jews: a rather long series of coincidences.
Bernard Ross Said:
spoken with the true arrogance and ignorance of a christian missionary. You just dont get it because IMHO you are not a Jew and cannot feel the revulsion of jews in that name(whether he did it or didnt or whether he even existed) you trivialize jewish feelings as being unimportant compared to your messiah. How long will this matter of time take for Jews to forget the association of the name jesus and christianity with libel, swindling, torture and slaughter of Jews.
Will it take the same 2000 years to forget? When do we start the count, they are still doing it?
dweller Said:
the proof of your arrogant christian mission and of your (IMHO) lies.
@ bernard ross:
It’s quite common for evil men to take the name of good ones. How better to camouflage their foulness?
— Your blaming him for THEM merely underscores your prejudice (though that’s HARDLY the only thing you have in common with them).
Au contraire, most assuredly for the Jews. Just a matter of time.
@ Shy Guy:
Neither baseless NOR drivel.
Your loss.
honeybee Said:
definitely sexier than screamin Jay
one of my favorites back in the days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhqOHFUYtzI
some other version she does dont sound good.
bernard ross Said:
Sexy: http://youtu.be/ua2k52n_Bvw
Ted, your moderation software is at war with me. first post in hours is in moderation #20 to yamit and HB. you need a new software.
yamit82 Said:
he’s good for a few laughs
honeybee Said:
I thought Jews had a good memory??? Can’t help myself from kidding; kidded you about correcting you when you said “correct me if I am wrong but I thought jew had a sense of humor”?? Gee the funs gone when you have to spell it all out, shall I rewrite this reply or can you remember the beginning 😛
@ honeybee:
@ honeybee:
on an earlier question re LBJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZKjm9ezTXQ
@ yamit82:
I saw this on a TV progra,,,fasinatiing
@ yamit82:
The typical female answer to you question is:”if you don’t know I ain’t gonna tell you!!!!! But, if you must knwo!! you said you were ill, I fretted all night only to discover you were awake and posting to Norman. You seen to forget my alter ego is Geraldine Jones,,,,,, Don’t mess with me !!Killer!!
@ honeybee:
I read it and why are you not speaking to me? What did I do now?
@ bernard ross:
Texts on Bar Kochba: Bar Kochba’s letters
Papyri Found in Judean Cave Identified As Letters from Bar Kochba
Last Jewish General of Israel’s letters hidden until they found it’s way into the hands of the Fist Jewish commander 2000 yeas later. Ironic.
Read more: http://www.jta.org/1960/05/13/archive/papyri-found-in-judean-cave-identified-as-letters-from-bar-kochba#ixzz2lnGt53Rk
Coins from the Second Revolt
(132-135 C.E.)
It is estimated that over half a million Jews fell in battle during the Second Revolt, with countless more sold as slaves after the final defeat of Bar Kochba at Betar. The Romans too suffered such heavy losses that when Hadrian sent a written report of the campaign to the senate, he omitted the usual introductory remarks that the emperor and the army were well.
@ bernard ross:
You may deliver a message to Yamit82 for me,since I am no longer speaking to him!!!: http://youtu.be/hFFuoPs_7C4
bernard ross Said:
From doing what???????????
@ bernard ross:
Believes in the christian satan
Believes in christin original sin
believes in virgin Mary (christian belief)
Believes in yeshu as the messiah
Believes in resurrection
Believes in the correctness and truth of the christian bible
believes in the 2nd coming
Says is isn’t a christian. No need for labels here. He is a follower and believer of supernatural being. Half man half ____________ fill in the blank.
Claims he is Jewish Lol 🙂
@ bernard ross:
Every war from the Maccabees to Bar Cochba was a messianic war. In declaring Bar Cochba the Messiah (According to Jewish concept). He still had to prove himself. When he failed it was apparent he was not the Messiah. The Jewish concept of a Messiah is that a a man in every respect a King who will free the Jews from occupation and rebuild the Temple. He failed yeshu failed but then Jews don’t consider him the Messiah. Failures don’t cut it because we know what is expected from our Messiah and if he fails it ain’t him period……In Jewish eschatology, the term mashiach, or “Messiah,” came to refer to a future Jewish King from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. The Messiah is often referred to as “King Messiah” (melech mashiach). Jews were expecting a warrior King and Bar Cochba in the beginning seemed to answer the prescription, he was then winning.
The christians from the first revolt sided with the Rome (“render unto Cesar…”) against the Jews and this time Bar Cochba spent no little effort in trying to eradicate however unsuccessfully the treasonous cancer among us, those dirty christian swine. They ran for the hills and hid out during the war. After the war there was a complete break between christians and Jews and they were banned from all synagogues and communities where Jews still held power.
According to historian Shaye J. D. Cohen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_of_early_Christianity_and_Judaism
honeybee Said:
OK, you are corrected!
(just kidding, cant help myself 😛 )
dweller Said:
Subsequently, like your false messiah he was proven wrong. Some Jews may have accepted him but the actions of Jews do not constitute a Jewish basis. Furthermore, there is the obvious proof for Jews: he did not fulfill the prophesies and his followers had, in order to save face and maintain a failed narrative,to come up with the odd idea of a second coming. Anyone can claim to be coming back in the future; after all if the Messiah was still to come they simply claim it will be their idol coming back. Apparently his god got it wrong the first time and needed a replay. That is usually the point at which decent folk admit they are in error. However, in order to maintain this false narrative it became imperative to swindle, libel, torture and slaughter jews. Same thing today.
dweller Said:
Baseless drivel.
Yemach Shemo Vezichro
dweller Said:
OR:
the ultimate name, logo and symbol of those who swindled, libeled, tortured and slaughtered the Jews for 2000 years. Perhaps a name to be remembered as a crowning glory by you, but hardly for Jews. The rest is “window dressing”.
bernard ross Said:
Correct me if I am wrong,but I thouht Jews had a sence of humor???????
@ bernard ross:
It is an opinion that happens to have been shared by, among others, Nachmanides.
They weren’t on my mind, any more than pigs are on my mind, Bernard, when I note that your observations amount to a pile of pig plop.
The fact is that I’ve analogized to gerbils plenty of times over the years when the matter of limited reasoning faculties appeared to be at issue and suitable imagery was needed to convey the point. Consider this brief exchange I had w/Yamit on this forum back in February of this year:
You’re hardly the 1st person to try putting words in my mouth, boychik, and you won’t get away with it anymore than they did.
I did not originally tell you that the Jewish basis for my belief was epiphany; rather I said epiphany was the basis for my belief. Full stop. Re-read the post.
The answer to the question of what I thought was the Jewish basis for the belief was that believing Jews endorsed it, and were in turn accepted by the Jewish community, institutions, and leadership — who occasionally found them odd or unconventional but who NEVER, in those days, questioned or challenged their Judaism.
Re-read the post. (You have the luxury of that kind of time, so it shouldn’t hurt you.)
I had earlier said, as well — in answer to your question of what constituted the evidence for the events of the Virgin Birth, Resurrection, etc — I told you that it could be found just underneath the evidence for Elijah’s dying (or not dying).
Weak. thin. shallow. They didn’t cease to be Jewish by doing so.
Rebbi Akiba thought Bar Kokhba was moshiach, and declared so publically.
— That’s right: he believed in a false messiah, Bernard.
But nobody regards him as having rendered himself any less Jewish by doing so.
Only one ‘belief’ could’ve done THAT for them, and I’ve already stated what it is.
No, I said it was crass & hokey to revisit revulsion just to exhibit one’s bona fides to twits like PresentCompany.
Never said anything at all about revulsion for haNitzri — who is the crowning glory of Jewish Civilization.
Well said
— you are a case-in-point.
@ bernard ross:
@ dove:
Your smug, self-satisfied remarks show you up for the cretins you are.
I don’t lie. You are the liar in calling me one.
Nor am I a “missionary” — already covered that subject but you’re a trifle slow on the uptake.
“Slipped in,” nothing.
Don’t have a computer; I use the ones at the library. So, unlike you, I don’t get to post whenever I damned-well please — only when the place is open and a computer is available.
Didn’t have time to, twinkie. I can type only so fast, and could only respond to as many posts as possible till they closed the place.
— As it was, there were many, many posts that I couldn’t get to before the clock caught me.
@ dove:
No, Curio & I are NOT of the same religion, but you just don’t pay very careful attention to what I say.
A Christian is somebody who subscribes to the Nicene Creed, which asserts the “divinity” of Christ. Anybody who doesn’t endorse that Creed is not considered a “Christian.”
— I don’t subscribe to it; never have. I’ve made that crystal clear countless times on this board.
@ honeybee:
Actually it was pretty dull-witted, lamely intended to draw focus away from the subject: which was his loose morals with loose women (apparently shiksas, at that).
What’s more, the idea that I would’ve needed a thesaurus to find — for “porking” — synonyms each-&-every one of which I use quite routinely offline — was laughable.
Yes, do that, HB — it’s evident he needs the cheering section, poor boy.
honeybee Said:
waddayya mean?
@ yamit82:
G-d bless and keep you, while you rest.
http://youtu.be/sgOoB7DOXSQ
@ honeybee:
I will respond later. Not feeling too good right now
Leila Tov