Peloni: Doran calls for Israel’s total victory by destroying Iran’s Ring of Fire, especially Hezbollah, destroying Iran’s nuclear program, eliminate the Obiden policy of strengthening and engaging Iran, ie return of maximum pressure on Iran, and to do this it is essential to strengthen Turkey. It would appear that maximum pressure rather than regime change is to be the posture of Washington.
He also explains that the US will no longer be as willing to project its power in the ME as it previously had been, and that Turkey should be allowed to help fill this void. While he explains that there will be certain challenges in doing so, he seems to defy the notion that Erdogan represents the radical Sunni Axis in the region. In displaying this perspective, Doran even goes so far as to compare Erdogan’s relationship to the radical Sunnis to Netanyahu’s relationship to the Settlers in Israel, a comparison which I would argue fails to be consistent with reality. Erdogan just called for an end to Western civilization in the past few days, he hosts Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood in Turkey while defending them, and routinely delegitimizing Israel and calling for active moves against the Jewish State. The relationships which Doran ascribes between Erdogan and Bibi, simply defies these reality.
I agree with all others so far that Doran speaks for the “blob.” The US covert ME policy is to empower radical Islamist states like Iran and Turkey so there is always war in the ME. War=$$ for the blob and their Congressional puppets. Trying to justify Erdogan’s radical Islamism is no different than John Kerry talking about the “moderate” Iranians he was negotiating with. Erdogan himself said, “There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Either you are Muslim or you are not.”
Doran has his place in the ecosphere of the US CIA-State Department blob, but this blob has done nothing good for civilization. They overthrow governments, assassinate leaders, rig elections, empower jihadists to murder at will all bringing the name of the United States down into the mud while using our tax dollars to commit these crimes and hide them.
I am glad we are awakened enough to see through the ridiculous charade put on by these agencies [and their spokesmen] which have played fast and loose with the laws which govern men.
I am also glad that Trump doesn’t want any part of forever wars or arming Islamic terrorists.
The fact that Erdogan is a NATO member is totally problematic, but NATO itself as an organization is totally problematic and needs to be re-evaluated for the necessity of its existence.
Erdogan is Turkish Muslim Brotherhood. He is dangerous! In Turkey he is mocked by moderates who sarcastically call him the Sultan. He has aspirations of a New Ottoman Empire.
I would not be surprised if he takes troops into Syria to try and drive out and kill the Kurds and take over those territories. If he captured large parts of Syria he would be a danger to Israel.
@Felix
I have changed neither my tone nor my perspective with regards to the rebels, Erdogan, or Assad. Assad chose to facilitate Iran’s war against Israel, granting them full access to the Syrian side of Golan while also erecting the land bridge to Lebanon which fed the munitions used by Hezbollah against Israel. None of this indicates support for Erdogan, for whom I have repeatedly made my opinion clear prior to this, many times in fact. You object to the rebels being called rebels, but I find no rationale in this objection. The terms rebels, opposition forces, Jihadi elements, and Al Queda/Isis affiliates, all accurately describe the Turkish supported forces in Syria.
Regarding Fleisher, your comment that he “is very delighted that the ISIS is back in Syria” is both unfair as it is inaccurate that these forces “are back in Syria”. Due to Assad’s impotence, these forces never left Syria. Furthermore, Fleisher is very much a great supporter of Israel, even as he disagrees with you on the subject of Assad.
Regarding Doran, as I explained in my preface and elsewhere, I am perplexed by his perspective on Erdogan. I fully understand his argument, as he has been making it for a very long time, but I find it wholly unconvincing for the reasons I have already explained to John Galt IV below.
The issue here is all about the failure of the Israeli side led by Netanyahu and every other Israeli leader towards Syria for many years
Also to the war on Saddam and especially Gadhafi
A whole review of these events by Israel is overdue
This guy Yishai Fleisher is in my eyes quite the phoney when he supports the overthrow of Assad. This is the start.
He projects himself as a great supporter of Israel.
Yet in his introduction to the even worse phoney Michael Doran Fleisher is very delighted that the ISIS is back in Syria
Which make no mistake – it is.
Doran takes this one step further and presents the nazi Erdogan as the ultimate saver of Israel
If Erdogan had been around then he would have been helping push the Jews into the ovens of Auschwitz.
Doran should not be allowed to enter the door, in this case the various studios, being promoted everywhere on Jewish websites etc .
His political positions are very detrimental to the safety of Jews in this time.
How is Fleischer different to Doran …that’s a more important question.
Note..
Peloni has changed his tone from when he only talked about “The Rebels”
In contrast I never used that BBC word once to describe these Jolani throat slashers
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/jews-have-been-abandoned-by-the-australian-government-mi0lyvwm
This is an absolutely terrifying column from the British-Jewish newspaper Jewish Chronicle. Written by a prominent Australian Jew. He describes how the streets of the major Australian cities have been taken over week after week for months by anti-Israel, antisemitic mobs who chant hate slogans attacking Israel and Jews. He says the mobs are violent and frequently assault people. Presumably, although he doesn’t say so, people who are or look Jewish. The government’s response has been to issue permits for these “demonstrations.” The police do nothing to stop the violence and absusive language. Meanwhile the government votes in favor of outrageous anti-Israel resolutions at the United Nations, including the recent one in the Security Council, which blamed Israel for the wars in Gaza and Lebanon, and demanding an “immediate” and “permanent” withdrawal of all Israeli soldiers from both areas, demanding unconditional Israeli cooperation with UNWRA, etc. According to the columnists, the recent arson attack on a synogogue (in Melbourne?) in which it was burned to the ground was a “logical” result of the government’s tolerance of antisemitism in the public square Truly. appalling.
@John Galt IV
Indeed, he is consistent on this view of Turkey. I have been watching and reading Doran for some time now, and he has remained fixated upon the notion that any solution which does not include Iran must include Turkey as a counterbalancing weight. In fact, Doran proposed a peace plan about 1 1/2 yrs ago in which he made Turkey the new guarantor of peace with Israel, replacing the PA.
Doran’s perspective is that Erdogan is not sincere in his offensive Islamist diatribe as is made clear by his continued engagement with the West and lack of serious moves against Israel (note again, I am sharing Doran’s perspective here, not my own). He suggests that the motivation for Erdogan’s masquerading as something more vile than he actually is, is completely related to the West’s attempt to regime change Erdogan a decade ago, and since then, the continuous support from the US for the Kurdish terrorist PKK, which is dedicated towards breaking up Turkey.
In considering this argument, and I did challenge myself with Doran’s viewpoint at the time of his Turkey-Is-Not-The-Bad-Guy Peace plan from a year ago, Doran’s argument fails to provide any explanation for why Erdogan has turned the previously secular state of Turkey into something far more Islamist in nature, and this began well before the US sponsored coup against him, though it was markedly increased following the failed coup.
1) Doran was a Senior Fellow at The Brookings Institution – that is funded by Qatar.
2) Doran was a senior director of the National Security Council under President George W. Bush who famously said: “Islam is a religion of peace.”
Doran: “and to do this it is essential to strengthen Turkey.”
Doran is at least consistent. Wrong, but consistent.