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  1. From Michael Shellenberger:
    First People Sickened By COVID-19 Were Chinese Scientists At Wuhan Institute Of Virology, Say US Government Sources

    and from Richard Ebright:

    “[A]ccording to new reports this week three separate Chinese government officials have all named scientist Ben Hu, who was in charge of gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as the first human to be infected with the new disease.
    https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/covids-patient-zero-identified-adds-more-weight-to-wuhan-lab-leak/news-story/ac6205b87e9c200143ffe83eef38749e?amp

    https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1668956327845171200

    The claim that Ben Hu, who died in Nov 2019, was patient zero does not explain why two months before Hu’s death the Chinese simultaneously shutdown both the Wuhan Lab and Wuhan airport, removed its online list of 22,000 Coronavirus samples and renovated the Wuhan lab ventilation system.

    The Chinese would like to fix the date of Patient Zero to be in November because it fits their narrative that the US imported the virus to China during the Military games which took place in October 2019 from soldiers who might have been exposed to an possible but dubious ‘outbreak’ at Fort Dietrich. If the real date of Patient Zero is fixed in September, which does appears more likely given what we know took place at the Wuhan Lab where the Coronavirus research was taking place, this would undermine the Military Games scenario and completely undermine the Chinese narrative.

  2. Sebastien when we talk about fishing this is most ruthless. Massive boats sit outside the 12 mile limit. Result is understandable. They simply strip the sea of life. Wastage is also huge.

  3. Ireland is a green desert. Totally taken over by silage and grazing cattle. 3 silage cuts only possible by imported artificial fertilizer. Bugs are poisoned and birds go extinct. Manure from pig farms poison the water. And each bovine is a CO2 mini factory. All this is real and very serious.

  4. @Felix So, wait, did the fishermen kill Ireland or the cows? And, you don’t mean Sports Illustrated super-model, Kathy Ireland, right? She’s doing well. You mean the place. Home of corned beef and cabbage. Wait, no, that’s Irish-Americans ’cause pork was too expensive. So, it’d be pig farts right? Is it only cow farts? What about human farts? Should they be getting rid of humans? Are they?

    “It’s a fart fart better thing I do…

  5. Sebastien the oceans are being killed by fishing and as for cattle they have become a horrific threat. Ireland is almost dead.

  6. This sentence

    “A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. ”

    The words COULD and POSSIBLY stand out

    As I see it we build up a picture. And have to study further to see what they mean

    Meanwhile due to those terrible lies by Trump and Bannon I suspect the Chinese will never cooperate again.

  7. I followed this up to the pay wall

    “The Strongest Evidence Yet That an Animal Started the Pandemic
    A new analysis of genetic samples from China appears to link the pandemic’s origin to raccoon dogs.

    By Katherine J. Wu
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    Updated at 11:20 a.m. ET on March 17, 2023

    For three years now, the debate over the origins of the coronavirus pandemic has ping-ponged between two big ideas: that SARS-CoV-2 spilled into human populations directly from a wild-animal source, and that the pathogen leaked from a lab. Through a swirl of data obfuscation by Chinese authorities and politicalization within the United States, and rampant speculation from all corners of the world, many scientists have stood by the notion that this outbreak—like most others—had purely natural roots. But that hypothesis has been missing a key piece of proof: genetic evidence from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, showing that the virus had infected creatures for sale there.

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    Now, an international team of virologists, genomicists, and evolutionary biologists may have finally found crucial data to help fill that knowledge gap. A new analysis of genetic sequences collected from the market shows that raccoon dogs being illegally sold at the venue could have been carrying and possibly shedding the virus at the end of 2019. It’s some of the strongest support yet, experts told me, that the pandemic began when SARS-CoV-2 hopped from animals into humans, rather than in an accident among scientists experimenting with viruses.

    “This really strengthens the case for a natural origin,” says Seema Lakdawala, a virologist at Emory University who wasn’t involved in the research. Angela Rasmussen, a virologist involved in the research, told me, “This is a really strong indication that animals at the market were infected. There’s really no other explanation that makes any sense.”

    I will try to extract the key sentence

  8. @Felix

    “I trust only science rather the method of science”

    You mean like a religion? You sound like Fauci.

    Who are you and what have you done with Felix?

  9. @Felix Or you could just order steamed shrimp and vegetable dumplings from one of the many local chinese takeout/delivery places near you, as I just did and pig out. Heaven on a stick, man.

  10. Apply scientific thought

    Jews try to gain security from Jew Hatred in an area

    But meet terrible Jew Hatred once again

    The lies of Palestinians is based on not understanding (or active distortion of) history.

    There is a non or anti science distortion giving rise to the Palestinians phenomenon.

    Can science surmount this? Definitely it has this potential.

    Science creates a unity in all things.

  11. @Felix

    “6 Anxiety Breathing Symptoms and How to Stop Them”

    “Breathing to Influence Calmness
    This exercise is most beneficial when used to release tension before it builds. It is recommended to use this exercise at least ten times each day to eliminate stress. Practicing will allow you to call upon the technique whenever you find your breathing affected by anxiety.

    Breathe in slowly through your nose, pulling air into your lower lungs first, then upper
    Hold your breath for three second
    Exhale slowly through your lips as you relax your jaw, face, stomach, and shoulders
    This exercise should help you reestablish feelings of calmness. Use it anytime you feel anxiety building or to calm yourself during panic or episodes of anxiety.

    Count Down to Calming
    This countdown exercise takes a bit longer, so it gives you time to concentrate on the process of breathing and a break from the thoughts triggered by anxiety. With your thoughts momentarily redirected, you will have a better chance of mastering their effects.

    Sit with your eyes closed
    Inhale through your nose slowly while thinking about the word “relax”
    Countdown with each slow exhales, beginning with ten until you have counted down to one
    When you reach one, imagine all the tension leaving your body, then open your eyes
    Relaxed Measured Breathing
    Ancient yogis recognized the ability to instill calm by changing the depth and pace of breathing. It is recommended to practice this exercise for up to thirty minutes every morning, and anytime you feel anxiety levels climbing.

    Inhale calmly through your nose for a count of six
    Exhale calmly through your nose for a count of six
    Each count should represent one second. You can use this method discretely any time you feel anxious or stressed.”

    https://reallifecounseling.us/anxiety-breathing-symptoms/

    You can also just breath deeply, thinking, breathing in I think breathing in, breathing out, i think, breathing out.

  12. Sebastien Come off it. How is it possible to live a balanced life.Thats a dream. Given what we face.

    We are not in that situation. WE ARE Out OF BALANCE

    You ask me do I trust the CPC

    Of course not. But I defend against Fascism. That must be.

    It is the dregs of Stalinism.

    I trust only science rather the method of science

    There are two theories on this

    Put them side by side

    * Lab made

    * Zoonotic break out

    Just the science. Emails are too unsubstantial.

    The science for a Zoonotic event builds up. The lab is stuck.

    Why is this important? Reasons to take out time to study…1.4 billion reasons

    OF COURSE THEY HATE AMERICA NOW AFTER SUCH AN ACCUSATION

    Israel must be science driven

    We approach the Palestinian lies just like the Steve Bannon lies

    Also the Bandera issue

    Also the Haj Amin el Husseini in Bosnia issue

    My motto..

    Verify everything

    PS something new on issue of racoon dogs in the Huanan wet market has emerged yesterday

    But this is time devouring so I have not had time to understand it.

    And people should know this topic inside out and therefore should know the Chinese govt PROMISED to close the Wet Market industry down in 2003 AND DID NOT

  13. @Felix “Sticks and stones may break my bones but namescan never hurt me.”

    Share everything.

    Play fair.

    Don’t hit people.

    Put things back where you found them.

    Clean up your own mess.

    Don’t take things that aren’t yours.

    Say you’re sorry when you hurt somebody.

    Wash your hands before you eat.

    Flush.

    Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.

    Live a balanced life—learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.

    Take a nap every afternoon.

    When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together.

    Wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.

    Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup—they all die. So do we.

    And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned—the biggest word of all—LOOK.

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/56955/all-i-really-need-to-know-i-learned-in-kindergarten-by-robert-fulghum/9780345466396/excerpt

  14. Sebastien Zorn.

    You are a nutcase as is Mr Peloni. You make these lies as if they were established truths.

    From what you two have written based on foul lies you two should be banned from the Jewish press on the basis your lies bring Israel into disrepute.

    This is a fact

    If you spin such lies you have no right to be in Jewish Media.

    “Sebastien Zorn
    MARCH 14, 2023 AT 10:45 PM
    @Felix No similarity with Russia, The C.C.P. covered it up, banned travel between Wuhan and the rest of China, but not the rest of the world…”

    I answer

    How could China one cover up sars 2 and two at the same time be organising.a ban on travel?

    You utter liars.

    The whole weight of the scientific evidence is that this virus came from animals in the Huanan Wet Market

    As out and out RACISTS you Mr Peloni and others ON ISRAPUNDIT try to plant mass murder on China

    You really are a disgrace to Israel

    My contempt for you two and my worry at the danger to Israel you represent is immense

  15. @Felix

    “Where did the phrase red herring originate?
    The term was popularized in 1807 by English polemicist William Cobbett, who told a story of having used a strong-smelling smoked fish to divert and distract hounds from chasing a rabbit.”

    https://youtu.be/pmu5sRIizdw

  16. Sebastien

    All red herrings

    The investigation by Angela Rasmussen and other scientists show the origin of COVID was the Wet Market

    Just that

    Not as America says a lab leak or lab manufacturer

  17. @Felix a) If Rasmussen is so principled, why did she lie about a book she hadn’t read?
    b) Do you trust the C.C.P.?

  18. Sebastien

    Once Trump and now Biden turned to Wuhan flu they lost trust of Chinese

    And like Putin they tried cooperation. But trust was lost.

    Would you invite Hamas into your house?

    Angela Rasmussen is very principled.

    The research of the geographical spread (around the wet market) in December 2019 will stand the test of time. Very very strong evidence.

  19. @Sebastien
    Nicely stated!

    The Chinese have zero credibility and every reason to manipulate the data to which they alone have access to minimize or eliminate any culpability on their part. It should be easy enough for any reasonable minded chap to recognize this fact, not because they are Chinese, but because they are clearly implicated in this crime. Anyone willing to employ the Chinese govt as a legitimate source of data should understand that their arguments are quite flawed for exactly these reasons.

  20. @Felix China won’t let anybody in the lab and they and Fauci have done nothing but lie but it is the only plausible explanation. There were no infections among the animals and Sars 2 was tailored to humans right away. And the lab is right there, it’s purpose to manipulate these viruses and make them more infectious to humans.

    And a Chinese vieologist who worked there said it came from the lab.

    The wet market theory has been discredited 6 ways to Sunday.

  21. @Felis Rasmussen just makes assertions. I posted an article by another virologist whose book Rasmussen reviewed showing complete ignorance of the book and the subject. I found another article in which Rasmussen actually defends gain of function research while claiming coincidental jumps between humans and animals happens all the time, no big deal, so what if there are labs right there.

    You are a political groupie. One minute it’s Trotsky, then Stalin’s war time Russia. now this Rasmussen propagandist character.

  22. Sebastien

    Show me the evidence that they had Sars 2 in the WIV Lab.

    You still have not done so.

    But I have referred you to Angela Rasmussen who has referred you to much research which shows Sars 2 emerged in the Wet Market

    That virus was in that Wet Market and with the foolishness of a stroppy teenager you deny facts

    So you can never advance

  23. @Felix

    Before you proceed show the evidence Sars 2 was manufactured.

    I am not sure what you want me to say here. Everything I show you, you ignore. You say I am lying. That I am a deceiver. That I am dishonest. That I am slandering good scientists. You are wrong in everything you suggest about me. I would be pleased as punch if the vaccine was not fraudulent, that it was not harmful, that the virus wasn’t a product of research conducted in China and the US, that we weren’t having useful medications withheld from us needlessly. Unfortunately, I can find no rational support for any of this, but quite convincing support for the contrary. You seem quite invested in the vaccine and the bat flew into the cloaca theory on the virus origin, to the point of having a serious faith that your suspicions are certain. Well, I can’t convince you that your faith is misplaced, precisely because it is a faith based conviction you hold, or so it appears to me.

    Let us ignore the good Rasmussen virologist whose motives and independence is well exposed beyond doubt by the article which Sebastien shared below (nice work Sebastien!), but let us ignore her entirely as she is the lesser of the issues at hand in the research which you find to be quite revealing.

    If it seems logical to you that the Chinese would give data which might implicate them in the origin of the virus, I can only say that I find this to be a very illogical conclusion. This data is controlled by the Chinese govt. It is collected by the Chinese govt. It is maintained and secured by the Chinese govt and only they alone can confirm the authenticity and accuracy of the data. Yet we are to accept that it is in fact authentic without having been doctored to protect China’s interests. I see this as being the illogical conclusion of an advocate, which I am not. I am open to challenging inquiries, but this is not a challenging inquiry, it is only challenged reasoning, IMO. The data is Chinese data, and no one can independently confirm the data as authentic. If you still disagree on this point, well, Houston, we are at an impasse.

    If you really want me to share what evidence there is against the bat flew into the cloaca theory, well, let’s simplify it this way. If you are adept at playing cards, you will recognize that drawing a royal flush is not a routine occurrence. It isn’t impossible, but it isn’t that common, like rolling several dice and coming up all six’s. Now, what is the likelihood of drawing a royal flush or rolling all six’s thousands of times in a row. It is not possible, just as the formation of a coronavirus with a twelve codon-base insert being spontaneously formed in a single virus, without finding any sign of any other virus with even half these condon bases being inserted. In other words, there is no actual precursor to the 12 codon-base insert which is found in SARS Cov2. SARS1 has nothing like it. MERS does have something slightly like it, but the codons are completely different, as is the base virus. It is like a completely random fluke of chance occurred and these virus was replicating and accidentally placed these twelve codons in precisely the correct order, in precisely the correct location on the virus, in precisely the correct stereochemical geometry (how it sits in 3D space) so that the charged portions line up perfectly, and that this all happened in a single genetic jump. Like rolling all six’s thousands of times in a row, and with no practice.

    Now you find this reasonable. That is were we differ. There is of course more evidence than this, as we know the scientists in Chapel Hill and Wuhan were working on weaponizing Coronaviruses, that Eco Health was specifically inserting furin cleavage sites into coronaviruses in Wuhan, and that the SARS Cov2 virus doesn’t infect bats well at all and more, but none of this is remotely relevant if you believe that a twelve codon insert could accidentally, in nature, take place, all at once with no precursors.

    So, don’t take this the wrong way, but we really have nothing to discuss if you can’t be reasonable about what is reasonable. Or, at least this is how I see the matter.

  24. @Felix You are contributing to the racist hatred of violists.

    “At long last, sir, have you no sense of decency”

    – Joseph Welch to Senator Joseph McCarthy, Army McCarthy hearings 1954

    “It’s a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham!””
    – Woody Allen, “Bananas,” (1971)

  25. There’s no evidence. None…Before you proceed show the evidence Sars 2 was manufactured.

    On the other hand all the evidence that it came from animals in the Wet Market. I have produced many articles here especially by virologists Angela Rasmussen and colleagues.

    You, Peloni, Trump, Biden only contribute to racist hatred of China and Chinese people.

  26. Dr. David Martin
    Transparently Hiding…Again
    Martin demonstrates that NIH and NIAID were well aware of the Gain of Function research being done by the US in the US on the SARS virus and Coronaviruses well before 2019. The document he has been sharing over the past two years is here:
    SARS-like WIV1-CoV poised for human emergence
    In this article it discusses research which was authorized by Fauci just prior to the Gain of Function moratorium being instituted in 2014, despite him being aware of the broad objections to such research being done in the US.

    As I noted some time ago, Fauci exported the research to China, which had been initiated in the US, funded it in China (See Eco Alliance proposal to DARPA) and next thing you know, Bob’s your uncle, and you have SARS-Cov2 spreading across Wuhan China.

    It is impossible to deny that the funding and research for this weaponized research on a Coranavirus bio-weapon was a jointly a US-China research endeavor. So too was obscuring the possibility, much less the overwhelmingly high probability, of it being sourced to a lab leak, be it intentional or accidental. From there, the Chinese and Americans have separate culpabilities. The Chinese exported it around the world via their citizens who could not travel within China while international travel was not stopped. The Americans announced there was no treatment for this ‘pandemic’ even after evidence to the contrary was clear and then clearly obscured by, again, the Americans.

    No one connected with this research, in either the US or in China, should be able to avoid prosecution for the terrible crimes which they have committed, even as not a single person has even been charged or officially questioned in relation with any of these crimes.