T. BELMAN. On Dec 1/20 I wrote this article, Belman: Pres Trump will declare Martial Law if necessary.
Two people wrote to me to say they were horrified that I would recommend Martial Law even though I wrote, “If he fails on both counts (legislators and court), he will declare a national emergency relying on the Insurrection Act and will do so before Biden’s inauguration and if needs be, before his certification.”
On Friday Trump’s legal team got shot down in Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona and I think in Georgia and by Justice Alito.
I urge you to listen to the Zoom interview below in which I interviewed Tom Zawistowski, the person behind the movement to recommend Martial Law to enable a new election to take place.
I stand by my opinion that Martial Law is a better option than conceding defeat. What say you?
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@ Bear Klein:
I’m afraid the Swamp is so deep it effects judges too.
Unless this election is finalized legally there will be no USA.
If and when T is declared the winner he will need in place “forces” to prevent violence from the dems TROOPS! Can’t count on police, FBI or DOJ.
It is clear that > 90% of the violence before 11/3 was media, Antifa and BLM otherwise the far right would be devastating the blue states for T loosing the elections! But everywhere it is peaceful!
@ Edgar G.:
So what! Millions have tested + and are doing fine!
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar, what are you doing up at this ungodly hour? What am I doing up? It looks like an interesting day will be unfolding at SCOTUS in a few hours.
Goodnight. If I can’t sleep, I’ll count ping-pong volleys 🙂
I see my “edit” time has disappeared.
@ Michael S:
Ah MIchael poor laddie. They can only “get on with it” to the extent that the law requires a certain amount of time, as well as certain procedures. I though I had amply explained this; it’s like talking to a child. R&R are interesting to me, but obviously not to you. THEY can’t hurry anything along, even Trump’s lawyers can’t, The courts are expediting the matter. I leave you to your Rumpole. I saw a few of those shows but after 2-3 the end result was so obvious to me that I never bothered any more. I preferred to read an interesting book.-probably. I think also, at that time I was still playing tournament level table tennis game, and used to lead the Island team to the Winter games. So Rumpole ………… As a matter of fact, of all nearly 60 of Haggard’s books I have, I liked the Ayesha series the best, although King Solomon’s Mines was his most popular. There was a sadness in them. They were making movies about “SHE” in the early 20s and there are several. I’ve seen them all. . . He was the precursor to Burroughs, and Conan Doyle’s Lost World stuff and inspired many more “Lost Civilisation” novels. I’ve read many. I like them, just as I like Edgar Wallace’s African stories. The PC crappers of today say they are racist, but I think they are full of humour, favouring the black man. The films they made of a few were so rotten the casts were awful, skinny white men in topees and short pants, with skinny bleached white bony knees,… I’m glad they petered out and concentrated on his crime and mysteries instead, which were very good.
At one time, more than 25% of all books being read in the U.K. was a Wallace book. He would have 3-4 plays going on in theatres in the same area, often the same street.. He wrote the scenario for the original King Kong, my favourite movie. I must be boooring you so I’ll stop here.
Anyway, keep well and safe.
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar, you sound like Rumpole; except that you quote Schiller instead of Tennyson. Yes, “watching my wife (while watching) Rumpole” would be appropriate; since the main plot of the entire Rumpole series involves the main character’s neglect of his wife’s (and son’s) feelings in a nonstop pursuit of his life at the Old Bailey. You said,
“You dismiss expert discourse on the vitals of the whole situation, because it’s boooring….you want immediate results, even though you must know that…(ah, something or other).”
This is correct, to an extent; although you seem to have a vastly different opinion from my own, as to what are the “vitals” of the matter. What is vitally important here, in an earthly sense, is that life will be miserable for everyone if the lawyers and Republicans don’t get on with it and overturn this wicked election process. A bit of impatience for results is very apropos here: The lack of progress isn’t because of the “normal functioning of the legal process”, or such things; it is because of the treachery of certain Republican state officials and legislators, and because of a hopelessy, thoroughly corrupt Democratic Party. If they get their way, and drag this thing out interminally as they seem to wish, people much less patient than myself will begin taking matters into their own hands.
BTW, Texas has just filed a lawsuit directly to the US Supreme Court, that could possibly break this logjam:
“This case presents a question of law: Did the Defendant States violate the Electors Clause by taking non-legislative actions to change the election rules that would govern the appointment of presidential electors?”
— https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/07/texas-sues-georgia-michigan-pennsylvania-and-wisconsin-at-supreme-court-election-rules/
@ Michael S:
Or watching your wife with Rumpole. O.K.I tried. Beat your head against the wall discussing matters you don’t understand with others who have the same lack of knowledge. Ted’s legal area did not include The US Constitution. Even the expert Dershowitz can’t really cope , because he is not minutely examining the pertinent documents. And I’m sure that the R&R Group have a Constitutional expert Partner.. They are the Top Arizona Legal Firm. The Video guy is the founder, and has the gift of the gab, but he gets advice and help making the programme.
You dismiss expert discourse on the vitals of the whole situation, because it’s boooring….you want immediate results, even though you must know that legal moves, however expedited, take TIME.
It’s like Schiller’s quote ‘”against the stupidity of man, the gods themselves contend in vain..”….
@ Edgar G.:
Hi, Edgar
You and I will never be mistaken for one another. I just listened again to R&R, this time to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnPjXtFbDPg
Lots of information, but again, I came up empty. This was argued, this was upheld, this was dismissed, etc., but the hour would probably have been better spent watching Rumpole with my wife.
Giuliani has just tested positive for COCID-19.
@ Michael S:
Well, I didn’t recommend R&R for it’s “boring” content, but for it’s highly informative detail re the legal battles which are mostly being fought beyond the view of We, the People.
I don’t find him boring in the least, but look forward to his expositions. Perhaps I have a more logical and practical attitude, which appreciates these finer points of law, in which I was immersed for several years in my younger days. Instead of looking at “the headlines”, I look into the backgrounds for flaws and misstatements of facts, ..You know that I am like that. I trivialise it as “being curious” but it’s a lot more than that.
I appreciate your demonstration of respect, which, I’m sure you know, I reciprocate. (Also that you recognise that I have a strong sense of humour). Regardless of our pitched battles on other matters, which ,in many cases, are merely my exercising my so-called wit, or even acerbity, or showing off my erudition, or other nonsense, that I should not allow myself to indulge in. A person with my spontaneous thinking heads off into related side-paths, before getting back to the topic. If you ever heard a Rabbi speak after, say, a barmitavah or wedding dinner, you’d hear him begin with a biblical topic, ramble onto all sorts of seemingly unconnected side-paths, and then suddenly draw them all together so that you’d immediately realise that they were all connected to the PRINCIPAL that was enshrined in the original topic. {Like a racehorse, in the middle of the pack for 90% of the race and nearing the post, comes on strong, to just win by a head. ,
I know you are a “good guy”. Always did.
@ Edgar G.:
Giuliani, Ellis and Powel have stated repeatedly that no one had been contacted by DOJ and or FBI
Now one machine, in GA, has been proven to contain a program that increases the nb of vote for B at the expense of T!
DOJ & FBI will ignore this too!
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar, sometimes you joke when you should be serious, and are serious when you should be joking. I said that Rumpole was more “entertaining” than the extremely thorough and boring lawyer. What’s more, I actually ENJOY watching Rumpole; but have only been interested in lawyers twice in my life. Nevertheless, I looked up the link out of deference and respect for you (no joke or sarcasm here).
@ stevenl:
How do you know they haven’t have you a secret contact conduit to them all…? It required specificities not general guessing.
@ Bear Klein:
As of today not a single of the people or group of people who have signed affidavits have received the visit of anyone from the FBI and or DOJ!!!
How can anyone claim with a straight face: there is nothing here like ALL the media have done!!!
@ Bear Klein:
If he did it, it would NOT be unlawful. He had the LEGAL Authority to act …It’s all laid out for you to read above. He has the legal authority.
@ Michael S:
Interesting -and puzzlng- opinion.. I see no relationship between Rumpole, which was a farcical depiction of legal ineptitude solved at the last moment (like Perry Mason), diverted by the “She who must be obeyed” nonsense taken directly from Rider Haggard, ( of whose adventure books I incidentally have every one, and periodically re-read -nearly 60 novels)……..and the R&R presentation, which is a serious, very informative, legal synopsis displaying and laying bare every important detail of the complicated legal battles being waged over the US election. It details much of which the public outlets are not aware of.
As I’ve said, your reception is puzzling to me.
@ Ted Belman:
@ keelie:
@ keelie:
@ Frank Adam:
@ Bear Klein:
Then from what you are saying, you are delusional.
As the Arabs found since 1948, it is very easy for one party to start a fight BUT it needs both parties to end it which is not so easy. Leave this to the lawyers and courts. Any form of civil war in the US will hand the World to China, Russia and Iran in the blink of an eye.
@ Edgar G.:
I bookmarked the R&R site:
https://www.youtube.com/user/randrlawaz
and watched it for some time. The presenter is a defense attorney, which made me think of Rumpole at the Bailey:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxP6anpy1icjjCGu7neYk6V5Rh48CyorP
I zeroed in on the “Suitcases Under the Table” mystery, which involves a 14-hour long video surveilance plus supplemental information. The conclusion I came to, is that nothing conclusive will be determined until we’ve gone through at least a year of legal wranglings involving numerous highly-paid defense attorneys and a cast of thousands.
Scott Adams gives his own analysis at:
https://www.scottadamssays.com/
Of these three links, I think the Rumpole one is the most entertaining.
@ Michael S:
If you want to really follow what’s going on in the courts I suggest that you look at Youtube, and the R&R Legal Group. They are generally on the top line of videos, and are.prominent lawyers in Arizona, and every weekday at 4 p.m. they have 90 minute video where the guy goes into all the latest court goings-on. He simplifies it a bit, shows the relevant legal documents, explains them fully, and it’s VERY informative. He looks ordinary, always has a sort of 3 day stubble on his face. I’ve mentioned it several times here but nobody seems to have listened to me.
You will be satisfied with it I’m sure..
@ peloni1986:
Peloni, you said,
” We can but only choose to trust that the wiles and wisdoms, such as they are, of Donald J. Trump to carry out this terrible deed with the support of our military, & I truly pray they will support him – unlike the Republican Party, the DOJ, the FBI, the judiciary…should he actually choose this path. And I am not entirely certain that will be his choice. But I have become more convinced over the past many days.”
Nor am I convinced. At the Valdosta rally, President Trump spoke as though a Biden takeover is likely, except in the unlikely scenario that the Republicans suddenly become men — and faithful men at that, which they are not.
As you noted, many of us are already living under martial law. In my own state, some of our neighbors are encouraging one another to report the “free” citizens her to the authorities, if they are not following the obscenely repressive dictates of our Governess — dictates that are slowly driving many of our friends into financial disaster. No measures President Trump could come up with would be nearly so draconian; but as you say, once Biden moves into the White House, things far worse than what we have now will immediately take effect.
@ Laura:
Laura, if Beau Biden were to be executed, then in fairness, would most of our government; and I will restrain myself from commenting about our rabbis and preachers. And if God were to judge us, you and I might not do so well either.
As it is, the Biden cartel is likely to become the law of the land next month; and the whole world will suffer. Interesting times.
@ Edgar G.:
Thanks for the heads up, Edgar. The news out here is terrible! The Oregonian is just a leftist rag. We cancelled our local paper several months ago, because it had become all politics and all BS. Now, besides my surfing of the Internet, our local news comes from online neighborhood reports; and our international news is the Epoch Times out of Taiwan. Our only real news from Portland, is friends who come and go through or from there, or who have family there.
We just got to go on video chat with our daughter in China tonight, which is the first time this past year we’ve been able to do face-to-face chat about COVID, the Presidential election, etc.
A family member came through the Portland Airport a little before the election, and got through on the freeway bypass without getting molested. Last year, though, the situation there was already so bad that their car was accosted by a mob. It’s really crap, that we have to live this way; but that’s just the way things are. If Biden gets elected — at it seems he will, unless the Republicans get some balls, I cannot visualize things improving at all except for a miracle.
@ Ted Belman:
@ Redbear:
Should the President fail in his efforts via the courts or the legislatures to resolve this anarchy from coming, we will be faced with a great and terrible choice:
1. Martial law in one form or another is raised to prevent Biden from stealing the presidency
2. Biden becomes president and martial law will be raised after Trump “does the right (that should read as wrong) thing”
The first time I heard General McInerney suggest the issue of martial law, I was horrified. It is a horrifying thought. Given how over the past many months so many of our state governors have so easily stated “bend the curve” and actually intended, and enacted, a mild to moderate form of martial law. And like the many masses, we all behaved as expected and fell in line, ignoring the level of duplicity on the part of many leaders throughout the world regarding the “lock downs”. I trust President Trump with everything I have and hold dear. Yet, I know in my heart that the idea that I could support another round of such tactics (or even more severe tactics) is easily beyond my conscious ability to support.
That is, until you consider the road not yet taken. Should Biden and his Socialist Brethren come to power, we would be living in a darkness I never foresaw prior to this year. We could be in for a very difficult time should we accept the many terrible things they have come to openly promised us. And these poisonous promises were made in the full light of day all thru the election cycle without any hesitation or thought to the consequence of such confessions of intent. And as they dissuaded support and encouraged repulsion to every decent individual (left or right), they knew it was acceptable, even opportunistic to speak of the bloody, totalitarian choice that they proposed to us. It was acceptable because they knew the cheat was on and this election was going to be stolen by every means possible and the only ones who didn’t have a choice in this were the American people. It was opportunistic because by telling you of your coming fate and the publicly cheated election results, they would instill a sense of fear, a sense of captivity that would bind you all the better and control you all the more easily.
So, I believe – and I really can’t believe that I am saying this as I am the most non-radical individual I know – we have not choice as to whether we want martial law. Our future does not hold any third choice. We can but only choose to trust that the wiles and wisdoms, such as they are, of Donald J. Trump to carry out this terrible deed with the support of our military, & I truly pray they will support him – unlike the Republican Party, the DOJ, the FBI, the judiciary…should he actually choose this path. And I am not entirely certain that will be his choice. But I have become more convinced over the past many days.
@ Bear Klein:
I believe Trump speaks for himself more reliably than “sources say”. When questioned about having faith in Barr, Trump replied “Ask me that in a number of weeks from now,” and “He hasn’t done anything. They haven’t looked very hard, which is a disappointment. They should be looking at all of this fraud. This is very bad criminal stuff.”
In this assessment, it is hard, as a lay person, to find fault with the President’s frustration. That being said, it is clearly known that the wheels of justice, when they turn, turn very slowly. This case is a matter of national security, of course. However, to expect an institution such as the DOJ – setting aside for a moment any politically biased motives – to develop theories of criminal activity, interrogate witnesses, collect evidence and be able to make statements and lay charges beyond a reasonable doubt in the course of a few weeks is like expecting water not to be wet. This is why Barr stated the proper setting for the challenges should, at this point, be handled via law suits in civil court where only a preponderance of evidence is needed. All this being accepted, I believe it is an easy statement to make that the DOJ is filled with individuals who are apt to pursue agendas that suit the investigators desires. Furthermore, given the number of criminal actions that we have all witnessed over the past many years, I further believe that it is not a stretch to think that one would expect a finger on the scales of justice only goes one way – you know, kind of like the voting glitches.
My true criticism of Barr, who has always greatly impressed me, was the specific words he spoke:
“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election,”
A more difinitive statement could not have been made. This statement could, in truth, have been made in many different ways to be less inflammatory to the President’s position. Actually it is hard to think how it could be put in a manner that is more disadvantageous to the President.Barr has always shown himself to be a wordsmith of sorts. I believe he knew what he was doing. I am very disappointed that he made that statement. It did, however, make it known to all parties, right or left, that the DOJ is a slow, deliberative organization (that is probably still infiltrated with Deep State actors) and would not be the cavalry to the rescue.
Beau biden deserved to die and I hope hunter joins him in hell. The Biden’s are an evil family.
@ Michael S:
A package is being sent to me here in Victoria Canada, from a company in Forest Lake IL. They can only free-ship within the USA. So I suggested that it be sent to a UPS store at a point near the Canadian Border, and picked out a OPS store in Portland, Oregon. The sender Company refused, saying that the riots and unrest made it an unsafe place to send to. So I then suggested Seattle, which was acceptable to them.
Bear Klein Said:
“Sources say”….Hmmph…!!
@ Ted Belman:
All I find in a search after Barr got personally beat up by Trump is the following, which DOJ says they will still investigate. Which does not prove they will or will not find any evidence to make the case of Fraud. I know you are certain it will but that will not amount to evidence in a court room.
@ Ted Belman:
So find a quote and a reputable source and post it please, that would make it more credible and not just opinion. Hope you are correct as I want Trump to have another term.
@ Bear Klein:
That’s old news. Barr subsequently make a new statement, He has barely investigated the facts. Once he does, he will see the evidence is incontravertable.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/12/01/attorney-general-barr-no-evidence-widespread-election-fraud/3783305001/
@ Michael S:
I do feel you as Oregon is a place were law and order has gone by the wayside on state law enforcement level.
@ Bear Klein:
“I think your method would put Trump outside of the law ”
I don’t think so. Martial Law is a LEGAL action. And under martial law, Trump would be theoretically free to get to the bottom of the fraud. It might take a while, but then, the Democrats took over four years to get absolutely nowhere in their own allegations.
I LIVE in the US; and I can tell you that I greatly prefer seeing National Guard troops moving about, than the continual chaos currently being aided and abetted by my Democrat State officials.
Perhaps if Ted’s article was titled, “Martial Law is a better option than accepting a FRAUDULENT defeat,” the matter would be clearer. Accepting the results of a stolen election makes the United States of America no better than any banana republic in the world. The evidence is clear and overwhelming – the Democrats attempted to steal this election. A forensic accountant needs to investigate if China is currently a major stockholder in Dominion – be patient. The truth will come out.
@ Bear Klein:
BEAR- You are like a buzzing gadfly that refuses to be discouraged in your goal-that of endlessly (it seems) pointing out to those who already know as much and MORE than you, with 6 out of the11 posts above. that Trump has no right to do this or do that. He is the Chief Executive and Commander-in-Chief. He has the Constitutional right to do all those things you accuse him of, including your psychoanalysis of his future actions-and their absolute results, , -which are always unexpected…except-to you it seems.
Your posts lately on this subject, are seeming to become looser, and not as concise as usual. Perhaps you yourself are becoming a “bissel tzemattert”.. I feel Trump will win out. And it his expert Supreme court savvy lawyers get to being their case(s) to the Supreme Court, it’s a 90% chance that they will be heard.
In my opinion Trump has been far, far too lenient and reluctant to use the undoubted powers he has. He is a pacifist at heart but HATES and resists being pushed around.
As for Barr…He said that the investigations were ONGOING, and the AP report was INCORRECT, You could read and HEAR that just as I could and did, so why did you omit it..maybe to make your pet argument stronger…?? I don’t know, just guessing, -like you are. Nostradamus you ain’t…!!
I am astonished at the patience Red has for your constant “new” ideas about what Trump will do. Why not wait and see instead of worrying at that indigestible bone ??.
If President Trump does not declare Martial law, then the Republican party will cease to exist. The USA will be ruled by a One Party System, with the Democrats fully in control. Martial law is the only practical way of saving this country from impending disaster.
@ Joe S:
I agree the Generals would not want to interfere with an election and would not listen to an unlawful order by Trump. I do not believe he will do it anyway.
The idea of a President invoking the Insurrection Act in order to stay in power after all 50 States have certified their vote and after the U.S Courts have rebuffed the President is so horrendous that two things are likely to happen. The military will refuse to take to the streets of America and the President when he leaves office will be charged with sedition.
@ Ted Belman:So Ted, we disagree no matter. I will go with Attorney General Barr as the authority and chief legal officer of the USA. I believe he is an honest man, who has access to more than what is printed and is knowledgeable.
Reality bites sometimes when we do not like the outcome. I also wanted Trump to be re-elected, but I will not delude myself by only hearing and reading only what suits my desired outcome. I prefer reality even if the result is not what I wanted.
@ Bear Klein:
I have seen enough testimony for me to conclude there is massive fraud. If you haven’t taken the trouble then you won’t believe it. You don’t matter. Trujmp has seen it and believes it like I do.
There was an election, Trump unless he can prove he was cheated in court to change the outcome of the election means he lost. Citing laws that do not apply does not change that he would be the one breaking the law. Delusion when couched by quoting laws is still delusion.
Bear Klein Said:
If you read my article carefully, I say that he has the constitutional right and duty to uphold the constitution. There is no requirement for proving a threatened overthrow of the government.
in my article Iwrote,
@ Ted Belman:
Sorry the USA has a system. It is not perfect. However, what you propose is that Trump become a law onto himself because he does not like the results and can not prove there was ample fraud to upset the election.
AG Barr is not some lefty liberal but two time conservative GOP attorney general. He said there was not the evidence needed to overturn the election. I believe him.
I think your method would put Trump outside of the law plus outside the majority of Americans. The biggest danger now to the USA is the division of the country which is the worst since the 1850s. Nothing worse than a civil war. What you are proposing could sink the country into a civil war.
@ Bear Klein:
First of all the SC has not said they will hear the case. Secondly, even if they are prepared to hear it , it may require a lower court to rule on the facts first. And the clock is ticking. The SC may also reject the relief sought based on a technicality rather than on the merits.
Only if they reject the case on the merits will Trump concede. But he may decide not to wait that long,
USA has a court system to appeal things that contested. The US Supreme Court is the ultimate decision maker. If Trump can not convince them he was cheated he will not declare martial law he will step down.
He has already said if the Electoral College votes against him he will leave office.
Of course Martial Law is better than accepting election fraud!! Election integrity is the foundation of our constitutional republic. Voting is the greatest privilege and greatest responsibility of living in a free society. Our vote is our voice. Elections must have legal voters casting legal ballots that are counted fairly and overseen by poll watchers.
Democrats and their globalist handlers exploited the hysteria they created over the coronavirus to rationalize massive mail-in ballots. Millions of unsolicited mail-in ballots, coupled with the Dominion/Smartmatic voting system and software were then used to manipulate the vote counts. President Trump is estimated to have won over 400 electoral votes had the count not been tampered with.
Is Martial Law extreme?? Of course it is. But, consider the alternative. If the results of this stolen election are accepted, it will establish a permanent one-party government of self-appointed political elites who will manipulate every election in the future – now THAT is extreme!!
Our founding fathers fought a war to be free of monarchy and the binary political structure of rulers and ruled. That is precisely the war being fought today by Trump patriots insisting on election integrity, against the Biden/Harris globalist/Marxist ticket trying to return society to the binary structure of rulers and ruled.
The 2020 U.S. presidential election is a revolutionary war. The difference is that today’s war of independence is a war without bullets – the ammunition is digital – it is in the software and the voting machines. We can never accept a stolen election – not ever!!
If Trump concedes to Biden, then all hope of a fair election will be lost forwever.. Mail in ballots will become the order of the day and fraud will always determine the results. And it doesn’t matter who controls the Senate. The states are in charge of the rules just as they are now. Not only will the GOP have to write off the West Coast and the NE Coast, but it will have to write off WI, MI, PA, AZ and GA as well.
If, they lose the senate, then expect both the Senate and the Supreme Court to be packed. Also America will no longer be a country ruled by law but by man. Goodbye constitution.
Now the only argument against the declaration of Martial Law, either for the limited purpose of holding a new election only, or, as I suggested, to enable the swamp to be drained through the use of Military Courts in addition to new elections.
Yes the conspirators have sufficient money to arm ANTIFA and BLM as they have been doing, to fight back and will certainly do all in their power to mobilize the US army to overthrow President Trump.
But, President trump will not be without moves of his own. I believe that the army will stand by him regardless of what some generals are telling them. Also all red states will call out the national guard to suppress the violence. It is worth the fight considering there is no alternative to retain the America they love.
There is no question, given all the evidence, that Trump will be able to invoke martial law, based on the constitution and the oath of all officials to defend the country against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that the conservative Court will not rule against him doing so. I believe also that Martial Law when invoked will also suspend the operation of the Court.
The Army could be tasked with managing the election and all that is needed is about two months to complete the new election.