By Ian Schwartz, REAL CLEAR POLITICS On Date March 5, 2022
Ret Col. Douglas Macgregor said a neutral Ukraine would be good for us and good for Ukraine as it would create a buffer both sides want in an interview on Fox Business with host Stuart Varney. Macgregor called Zelensky a “puppet” and said he is “dragging this out” and using civilians as a shield by sending armed forces into populated areas.
“Surprisingly little damage, frankly. Much less damage than we inflicted on Iraq when we went into it in ’91 and again in 2003,” Macgregor said of Russia’s shelling of Ukrainian cities. “Mr. Zelensky, I think, is postponing the inevitable in the hopes that we are going to rescue him, and we are not coming. President Biden has made that very clear.”
“Zelensky is a puppet, and he is putting huge numbers of his own population at unnecessary risk,” Macgregor said. “Quite frankly, most of what comes out of Ukraine is debunked as lies within 24-48 hours. The notions of taking and retaking airfields, all of this is nonsense. It hasn’t happened.”
“He’s not a hero? Standing up for himself and his own people, you don’t think he’s a hero?” an incredulous Varney asked.
“No, I do not,” Macgregor chuckled. “I don’t see anything heroic about the man. And I think the most heroic thing he can do right now is to come to terms with reality. Neutralize Ukraine. This is not a bad thing. A neutral Ukraine would be good for us as well as for Russia. It would create the buffer that, frankly, both sides want. But he’s, I think, being told to hang on and try to drag this out, which is tragic for the people that have to live through this.”
“I am inclined to disagree with you, Colonel, but, you know, we’ll see how this works out,” Varney replied.
Reader and Peloni I do agree with Reader Jews will be blamed and Peloni writing is so clear as to what he has done. Settled!
@peloni
That’s exactly why I think he is an idiot.
I also suspect that he was advised by someone to act like like this, especially after he started talking about the nukes after the Munich conference.
That’s why I think he might have thought it was for real.
The 1956 Hungarian uprising was caused by the West promising the Hungarian dissidents/revolutionaries/whoever aid.
They started the uprising, and there was no aid.
They actually cabled their “supporters” numerous times and either got no response or at least no response that they were promised.
Reader,
Guevara and Trotsky were two of a kind, it seems — pie-in-the-sky atheist idealists, pitted against hard-hearted pragmatists (Castro, Stalin). Now we have Zelenskyy vs. Putin — not a bad match.
Meanwhile, we have this news:
Poland is playing the old game of “hot potato”. This is Biden’s chance to make French fries Go easy on the fat, Joe…
@Reader
This is not true. Azov battalion was incorporated into the armed forces of the Ukrainian govt, and they were adopted as their own unit, ie they were not broken up and and incorporated with govt troops. You can confirm this easily with a quick search.
I find this opinion to be quite dubious. No one is that stupid. He is playing a significant role in obscuring the reality that there are indeed strong neo-nazi sentiments in Ukraine, in their govt and particularly in their military. This being said the neo-nazi’s are not numbered to be very many, some reports of 1.5% others 5%. There are many similar groups and likely the each of these reports include some groups and not others. The reality is that the govt has leaders in significant positions within the govt. So not so many, but they are very powerful and have formed the front line attack troops in Dombas since 2014.
Furthermore, regarding Zelensky role in this crisis, personally, he has been stirring a confrontation with Putin since Trump left the White House. In March he declared that they would retake the Crimea. In Dec, he anounced he had a green light to become a protected memberstate of NATO. In Feb, just a couple of days before the invasion, he suggested that Ukraine non-nuclear status was not necessarily permanent. His intention was to provoke the Russians and he achieved this. It was absolutely not an accident. Meanwhile, there was no possibility that he thought NATO would fight for him. As Col. Kemp notes, it isn’t certain if NATO would fight for other eastern Erupean states that are already members of NATO. With this in mind, there is no possibility that anyone in NATO would have provided him assurances to the contrary, and if they did, there is no possibility that he would not state this clearly in defense of his country.
Just some thoughts.
@Michael S
@FelixQuigley
An update about the “chances” (Macron predicts the same thing I did):
Felix,
I wasn’t trying to defend Zelensky, I was trying to show the situation he is in.
You are right that him being there is bad for the Jews but do you think that he actually ever considered whether his position is good for the Jews?
He considers himself a Ukrainian patriot.
In my opinion, Jews shouldn’t be public officials anywhere because it is bad for the Jews but I am sure that the Jews who become public officials never think whether it is good for the rest of the Jews.
Anyway, Jews will be always blamed for everything with or without Zelensky.
I could care less about scripture. Take them and stuff them I care about the real world and I understand too well the danger of war WITHOUT SCRIPTURE.
Raphael…on the delay with a mind to election. But time won’t wait for Biden.
This is one evil in the extreme person.
What I have read and it does figure…the Biden family…you know clannish Irish background in Mayo…he is in very tight with Ukrainian billionaires also many fascists involved. He’s their puppet too. Is a money thing.
You seem to be moving away from my positions. Excusing Zelensky.
He is the most dangerous.
It matters not your theories about him. He is part of landing us in a nuclear war.
Have you not thought it out…being Jewish hides the reality of Holocaust…being Jewish opens up Jews again for attacks.
“He actually believed that this set up is the real thing.
He is starting to realize what is going on and he is in really bad shape now.
He realizes that Ukraine cannot continue fighting and yet he cannot capitulate.” End Quote
Sob Sob Reader. Tears are streaming down my face.
Hi, Reader. You said,
Unfortunately, you may be right. Pardon my Bible quote here:
Revelation 12:
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
The vast majority of Christians believe this will never happen to them — they think they will be raptured to Heaven Hotel. I believe it has already happened.
I don’t support any of the sides: Putin is a murdering monster; Xi is a murdering monster; the New World Order, which includes the *President of the United States, is a murdering monster. Who’s left? India? They support Russia. Israel? they STRONGLY support the NWO. Taiwan? NWO. Australia and Canada? very NWO.. This is an hour of deep darkness, and I expect it to get much darker — darker than WWII, darker than the Shoah, darker than the Black Death. Isaiah said,
Isaiah 60:
[1] Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
[2] For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
[3] And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[4] Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
[5] Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
[6] The multitude of camels shall cover thee, the dromedaries of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba shall come: they shall bring gold and incense; and they shall shew forth the praises of the LORD.
Macgregor is a product of the Cold War US Army and his claim to fail is leading a battalion against very incapable Iraqi forces in 1991.
That US Army had no idea about Soviet style of *operational reach* warfare, and the US Army still has no idea about operational reach warfare as being practiced by the Russian Federation in Ukraine.
Watch how different Russian *operational* warfare is different from US & Coalition warfare in 2003.
Russians know not to take cities. Grozny was pure arrogance of the general in charge.
On the other hand Americans entered and fought for every city in Iraq, some multiple times! Because Americans are tactical thinkers.
And, Macgregor is right, Ukraine has no need to be in NATO. In fact NATO ought to have dissolved when the Warsaw Pact did. Why didn’t it?
Now Ukraine is a member of EU. Does ANYONE in EU appreciate the burden they have just accepted on themselves?
@Michael S
I said that in reference to Vietnam.
OK.
I doubt it.
I think they are giving the Ukrainians chances to surrender peacefully.
Once the chances run out all hell will break loose.
Reader, you said,
I said that in reference to Vietnam. The Vietnamese Communists, supplied by the Russians through North Vietnam, are analogous to today’s Ukrainians, supplied by the Biden clique through Poland and Romania. The US had invaded South Vietnam, analogous to the Russians invading the Ukraine. As you say, the Ukrainians have not invaded Russia; neither had the Viet Cong invaded the US
That is what I was referring to. Concerning peace negotiations, the US team rented accomodations in Paris month to month, showing they hoped to get it over with quickly (as does Putin today). The Viet Cong, meanwhile, took out a four year lease. Their counterpart today is Zelensky, who would like to drag out the war forever.
Those who liked the Vietnam War should absolutely love the current World War III.
I think you’re right, Raphael. This whole war has the same “manufactured” quality as the scamdemic. The only things that are real, unfortunately, are the casualties — and the distinct possibility that the corrupt madmen on both sides will drag us into a nuclear version of WWI.
The Russians are suing for peace:
https://rumble.com/vwqqg3-episode-1688-the-expansion-on-ww3-coming-to-your-neighborhood.html
with no coverage from the MSM except from Reuters.
I am glad to have this alternate point of view, unpopular though it may be. It makes sense that Zelenskyy has been told to hang on as long as he can, as the US mid-term elections approach. How often does a war-time president or a war-time Congress get voted out? This is the ONLY hope the Democrats have of not being completely swept from power. The media will keep up the drumbeat of the “poor Ukrainians” and “heroic, Zelenskyy”. An early ceasefire and resolution would be bad for the Democrats.
@Michael S
I think you misunderstood what Putin said.
He meant that the Ukrainian military should quit shelling the self-proclaimed republics and surrender.
He didn’t mean to say that the Ukrainian military is fighting on the Russian soil.
@FelixQuigley
He is not leading any Nazis, they are an independent organization with its own leaders.
Zelensky is not a politician, he is a former actor who, it seems, is being used by certain people, he is also not too bright.
I think he actually believed everything he was told about how the West is going to help him fight for the “free and democratic” Ukraine.
He is not observant as a Jew and his wife is not Jewish.
He actually believed that this set up is the real thing.
He is starting to realize what is going on and he is in really bad shape now.
He realizes that Ukraine cannot continue fighting and yet he cannot capitulate.
A good start is to open your eyes.
The Fascists of Ukraine led by a “Jew” are on the way to being smashed. Putin is certainly not a socialist but he most definitely is a revolutionary.
A little detail about Zelensky. In 1941 he would be in the pit, present friends on the bank!
https://t.co/WDlgvj8eit
The information from the three friends of Vivarto is very substantial and every detail is true. And also has another big quality – it follows the common sense test.
A good start is to open your eyes.
The Fascists of Ukraine led by a Jew are on the way to being smashed. Putin is certainly not a socialist but he most definitely is a revolutionary.
,So what have we learned about the whole Ukrainian episode. First of all and not least this present Ukraine does not know the meaning of truth. Further to this I have noticed that what Putin says always has the feeling of truth about it. Zelensky as a Jew leading Nazis ???
https://t.co/wwkzCoytf1x
Yes, Peloni. I wouldn’t be surprised, to see news film of German soldiers in gas masks, doing a bayonet assault through the barbed wire.
For some balance, I note that the Russians are equally detached from reality:
These people aren’t even trying to fool us — both sides seem to think Americans are blithering idiots who will believe anything (close, but no cigar!) I remember that during the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese said that if the US withdrew from Vietnam, they would withdraw from the US. Now, it seems, the Russians will only leave Kyiv if the Ukrainians leave Moscow. You can’t make this stuff up!
@Michael
So much faked propaganda footage coming out of this war, it makes you speculate if Hollywood is currently doing anything else. LOL
Oopsie! Not quite dead yet!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1500486894190215173
Massive photo fake by Ukrainians
@Will
I was reminded of this:
https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1034&context=pilronline#:~:text=The%20Talmud%20rules%20that%20a,place%20within%20the%20logical%20Talmud.
Russian neo-nazis fight for Donbas. Just providing balance.
https://khpg.org/en/1420855493
@Reader Some people are claiming Putin invaded partly to cleanse Ukraine of nazis and corruption. The people who buy into this talk about how Putin’s Russia represents a return to family values the West should support. I am merely providing a reality check. When I toured Eastern Europe, I met Russians everywhere and found them charming. If the lockdowns hadn’t forced me to leave Europe, I would definitely have visited Russia. I’m neutral in this–both sides are behaving badly for bad reasons we can only guess at.
@eddavis317
Tell that to Serbia, Libya and Iraq who were attacked under Article 5 and Article 5 was just requested to be employed in Ukraine. This entire situation leading upto the Russian invasion is much more complicated than your comment here supports. The funds and the armaments would largely flow from the US as usual with the NATO military adventurisms. This is not to excuse the gross overstep by Russia, but to suggest they were not provoked or that NATO is purely a “pacifist” organization is simply untrue.
Reposting my disappeared comment.
Reader
March 7, 2022 at 1:17 am
@ketzel2
And no other country in the world, especially the Western bastions of freedom and democracy have prostitution, alcoholism, drug addiction, internet scams etc.
It is only Russia which has those things, so the Russians should shut up about family values.
Amazing!
Looks like that nuisance Zelensky doesn’t have much time left:
https://www.rt.com/news/551377-zelensky-killed-backup-plan/
A day or two ago a British paper published something about his possible demise.
Not a good sign.
Old story, but important to remind ourselves that Russian culture isn’t what some people want it to be.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6987848.stm
Zelensky is probably a globalist baddy, but let’s not be fooled about the other side, if there is one.
@ketzel2
And no other country in the world, especially the Western bastions of freedom and democracy have prostitution, alcoholism, drug addiction, internet scams etc.
It is only Russia which has those things, so the Russians should shut up about family values.
Also, too bad that you don’t read Ukrainian.
If you did, maybe you wouldn’t accept their leaflet.
Amazing!
@Vivarto The same is true in Russia.
https://www.rferl.org/a/life_sentences_for_russian_neonazi_serial_killers/24262607.html
Also, those who praise Russia as such a bastion of family values are perhaps unaware of the prostitution, alcoholism, drug addiction, internet scams etc. in Russia. Wishful thinking that Russia is alternative to Western decadence..
FWIW, when I visited Kyiv in 2019, I saw the nationalist boys handing out leaflets on Khreshchatyk, main street during street fair. Most people ignored them. I was one of the few who politely accepted a flyer, I don’t read Ukrainian but I looked at it carefully, not one swastika. However, a short walk from there is the very large and old Brodsky Synagogue. I never saw guards outside, and I passed by it often.
Peg Tierney was always reliable, but recently not very much so. (I wonder if she’s back on the booze)
Soros aged 85 ‘bragging”…maybe he was deliriously bragging in a senile spasm, merely a joking comment. I think the latter. It’s too neat to be anything else.
I also noticed a Bannon interview earlier where his very first quite long comment sounded as if he were in the throes of an LSD episode. Unlike him. but nobody is perfect all the time. not even ME..
A sickening other-world bunch pf pure specilation, with little -if any- proof, except a quip already made 7 years ago, and now resurrected as “proof” of some sort for something… There billionaire oligarchs don’t operate like this. If they plan to do something they keep it secret until its’ done, or in the process, and don’t throw hints years before.
So, TED, i think you’re shotgunning, hoping to hit something… Everybody seems strangely affected by the Russian invasion, I see Mudar and his associate making similarly unproven wild assertions, and “seriously” giving opinions as facts on the Russian-Ukrainian scene.. And forecasting…like gypsy fortune tellers..
How the hell would THEY know anything about this….??? It reminds me strongly of Simon what’s-his-name with his cat crawling all over him whilst he gives earnest forecasts which had no basis nor truth .
I happened to know 3 people from Ukraine.
One is an iOS developer from Kharkov, the other is a cryptographer from a village 30km from Kiev, and the third is my Ukrainian friend who now lives in California, but is grew up in Krivy Rog, and then studied in Odessa.
He has friends in both cities, and his 86 year old mother is still in Krivy Rog.
Interestingly these three individuals all share the perspective that the Ukrainian government and the United States are to blame for the current war.
Also, all three confirm that there indeed is Nazi-like ultra-nationalist group. They represent only 1.5% of all Ukrainians but are a powerful force like the brown-shirts storm-trooper in Germany, or the Fascista in Italy. They beat up people and sometimes murder them.
My friends are telling me that it is dangerous to express their views, and that some places it is even dangerous to speak Russian in public.
They also tell me that since 2014, the Ukrainian forces have been shelling the Donetsk and Lugansk and that 14k innocent civilians have died in the process.
Furthermore, they assure me that Russians have Zero reason to target the civilians or their homes. That the breakdown in the ceasefire in Mariupol was caused Ukrainian provocation, not by Russian shelling. That Ukrainians want to use the civilians as human shields, and that the Russians want them out for the same reason.
So just as I was beginning to believe the mainstream media, I am now again aware that the media is biased and lies.
@Ted Belman
Peg Tierney’s thread on Zelensky is not reliable, e.g., Kolomoisky does NOT own Burisma.
I didn’t check any further.
It’s amazing to see the extent to which the response to the Russian invasion has been met throughout the West by uniform condemnation. One hundred major corporations closed up shop immediately. All Russian broadcasts to the West have been shut down. Banking has been cut off. All the Western media hails Zelensky as a hero and speculates that Putin has gone mad and needs to be put down.
The ability of the WEF troops to execute their game plans perfectly is amazing to behold. In fact, if there’s a flaw to their operational model it’s probably that it’s too well scripted. The flawless coordination of action and messaging among so many “independent” actors is the tip-off that we’re living in The Truman Show.
@Ted Belman
“Soros Empire replacing Soviet Empire”
I watched it, he was clearly joking.
What makes him a fascist is his assertion that Zhyd Soros is singlehandedly destroying the United States, etc.
Again, I am NOT for Soros, and I am sure he has his pet projects which may be up to no good but I am allergic to him being used as a Jewish scarecrow even by the Jews.
@eddavis317
If Ukraine joins the NATO, there will be the US military bases there with the missiles capable of reaching Moscow in minutes, and if NATO and the US don’t mean to attack Russia, why do they keep demonizing it non-stop and saying that it is the worst enemy of the “freedom loving” Western world?
Zelensky announced that Ukraine desires to acquire nuclear weapons and to join NATO right before this happened.
Russia has already destroyed 2,200 Ukrainian military installations, airbases, and weapons depots and they are nowhere near done yet – this seems like a decent offensive ability to threaten Russia.
Russia avoids hitting civilian targets while the Ukrainian military positions its artillery in residential areas and prevents civilians from leaving using them as human shields.
The Ukrainian military has never stopped attacking the civilians of the self-proclaimed republics and the number of the dead and wounded there keeps increasing.
Zelensky is sitting in a bunker in Poland desperately trying to get the West to fight for Ukraine thus becoming a nuisance because the West uses Ukraine to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
You description of the NATO as peaceful is simply idiotic.
Peg Tierney recommended This is a good thread on Zelensky – the comedian puppet.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1497448091347308544.html
She went on “In 2015, George Soros bragged about the “Soros Empire” replacing the “Russian Empire” – so Vlad has legitimate concerns!
https://defiantamerica.com/soros-brags-about-the-soros-empire-replacing-the-soviet-empire-in-europe-video/ ”
The plan was for Hillary to win, add Ukraine to NATO and overthrow Russia. Trump was elected and foiled their plans. Now they’re trying to finish the plan. The rest is history. The CIA even admitted that Putin’s fear was real.
(sorry I can’t put in an image here of the quote, so go to her post and look for it.)
Wayne Allen Root just wrote,
Here’s Your ‘Red Pill’ Moment for the Russia-Ukraine War
Does that make him a fascist too?
McGregor-
Stop convicting yourself out fo your own mouth. If Biden made it “quite clear” that the US will not help, then how is Zelensky waiting and prolonging the delay until the US does. He well understands that Biden is a broken reed. and never keeps his promises.
I get straight from the horse’s mouth, ,. ..It comes from the Mayor of Kiev, Vitaly Klitschko the world former long-time Heavyweight Boxing Champion, known for his always extremely honest and truthful comments, and still so. He says that Zelensky IS a hero, and the Russians are destroying civilian buildings, but he does not know if on purpose to create terror or, just the debris of war. His brother, also former World Champ for about 6-7 years, , flew back to join up, he says the same, as do the many world famous Ukrainian boxing Champs, now in uniform, armed and fighting. 2 killed already. They all could have stayed in the US, they are/were very wealthy and comfortable there. but like Israelis used to be, at signs that they are needed they rush home….
They are not talking politics they are talking about what they see, and are involved in, a fight for the freedom of their home country. .Champs in the army, in uniform, and fighting.
Michael S
But who caused this is important. After the coup in February 2014 the dye was cast. It had become a de facto puppet of America with nuclear arms on that border.
That’s the cause.
Reader:
Your assertions that Russia is somehow threatened by the West militarily are absurd. Russia “nuked by NATO from Ukranian territory?” Seriously? NATO countries are largely pacifist, barely want to dedicate funds for the defense of NATO and pose zero military threat to Russia. Ukraine is not a realistic threat to Russia as they have zero nukes and no offensive conventional ability to threaten Russia.
@Michael S
What was “Putin” supposed to do?
Sit there and patiently wait to be nuked by the NATO from the Ukrainian territory?
Zelensky is not too bright, to say the least.
He actually thinks that the West should help Ukraine, and at this point he is becoming a bother to his sponsors.
I think he is not so much a puppet at this point as a victim.
Col. MacGregor,
Putin put the WHOLE WORLD at risk, when he invaded Ukraina. Up to that point, there were many possibilities. Now they’ve all turned to sh-t. Talking about Russia and the Ukraine now, is like talking about Austria-Hungary and Serbia in 1914. The conflict is no longer just about those two countries. Once those armies were committed to battle, the whirlwind was unleashed; and I expect the same has happened on 23 Feb., 2022.
I agree with McGregor in the sense that a neutral Ukraine would be a good thing for for the West and for Russia. After all it was not the Russians since 1990 that moved towards west. They moved from the Elba river in the middle of Europe back to 1500 miles to the neighborhood of St Petersburg to the East. The NATO is wheezing to their neck. It was not unreasonable from their part to ask for Ukraine’s neutrality.