T. Belman. Singer misleads by writing
“My humble opinion: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu needs to confirm to the Court, if true, that one of his senior officials has been discussing implementing the Saudi-based Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution or alternative solutions in alleged secret back channel meetings with a senior PLO official for the last three months.”
He offers no evidence that it is true or that it threatens his Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution
The Khan al Ahmar issue is solvable but two practical solutions were rejected by the illegal residents who seem to want confrontation. Op-ed
By David Singer, INN May 2, 2023, 9:49 AM (GMT+3)
A showdown between Israel’s Government and High Court of Justice on 1 May concerning the demolition and evacuation of an illegal Bedouin encampment-cum-village – Khan al-Ahmar – threatens to shred the implementation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution and cause an international uproar.
Three judges of the High Court of Justice on 24 May 2018 unanimously rejected a final appeal by the 200 residents of Khan al-Ahmar to demolish the illegal settlement and evacuate its residents – finding the Government had that right “under the letter of the law”.
Two sites for their evacuation have been rejected by the residents:
- A relocation site 8.5 km. away
- Relocation to an area adjoining Abu Dis – where Israel has reportedly invested some 80 million shekels ($23.7 million) preparing infrastructure, roads, electricity, water, sewage, a health clinic and school – all on state land
Nine adjournments had been granted since 2018 until 1 February this year when these three Judges refused to grant the newly-installed Netanyahu Government a tenth adjournment for a further four months – creating an immediate political crisis by ordering the Government to come up with a plan of evacuation by 2 April and relisting the matter for final hearing on 1 May.
The Judges were unmoved by the political ramifications they were causing for the Government by refusing another adjournment and demanding a timetable for demolition.
That plan of evacuation was apparently not provided by the Government to the Court by April 2.
Instead a submission has been filed in the Court by the Government arguing that only the Government should decide on the timing of any demolition – not the Court:
“The petitioners have not proven any cause which would justify court intervention in the broad discretion the political echelon has regarding the manner and timing of the implementation of the demolition orders in the [Khan al-Ahmar] compound … the question of timing and method of implementation the [demolition] orders are influenced by wide and varied political and security considerations. As such, and bearing in mind the classified information on which these considerations are based, the position of the political echelon is that the decision regarding the question should be left in their hands…is a complex and sensitive question, the consequences of which exceed mere construction and planning laws,” and could have consequences “for Israel’s foreign relations and security.”
From tens to hundreds of thousands of anti judicial reform leftist protestors demonstrating throughout Israel every Saturday night for the last thirteen weeks, waving PLO flags until their public relations experts warned them they would lose support, have been demanding no suggested reforms be made by the Government to the High Court’s jurisdiction to hear and determine cases brought before it.
They have now been joined by two of the leftist demonstrators’ most-hated politicians – Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir – who both unsuccessfully argued that the Government in its submission should allow the Court to make an order for Khan al-Ahmar’s demolition – the last thing these protestors would want to see.
How is this looming showdown going to be avoided?
My humble opinion: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu needs to confirm to the Court, if true, that one of his senior officials has been discussing implementing the Saudi-based Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution or alternative solutions in alleged secret back channel meetings with a senior PLO official for the last three months.
This disclosure should be sufficient for the Court to grant a further adjournment – avoiding any damaging confrontation between the Government and the Court – leaving those secret negotiations to determine the fate of Khan al-Ahmar and thousands of other illegally-built Arab structures.
What a tangled mess we weave….
Author’s note: The cartoon — commissioned exclusively for this article — is by Yaakov Kirschen aka “Dry Bones”- one of Israel’s foremost political and social commentators — whose cartoons have graced the columns of Israeli and international media publications for decades
David Singer is an Australian lawyer who is active in Zionist community organizations in that country. He founded the “Jordan is Palestine” Committee in 1979.
@David here is part of the one article and link. Relevant quotes which basically dismiss what you are claiming and I called a fantasy. Peloni corrected me and said it should be called a nightmare (in reference to Hashemite Palestine Story you keep spinning)!
@Peloni, I concur it would be a massive destructive
of the worst proportions, referring to the Singer Jordan delusion.
@David
We are aware of the phone calls being mediated by Bahrain as it was discussed in the following post which Ted put up on May 24, nearly two weeks ago:
US wants Israel to shelve judicial overhaul and restart talks with Palestinians in return for Saudi normalization AND THEN SOME
Perhaps you missed this.
In any event, no where in the report posted by Ted nor in the segment you posted below does it reference what you are mislabeling as ‘the Saudi plan’, nor does it reference Shihabi its author, nor does it reference your ‘Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution’. No doubt all of this non discussion about your nightmare scenario gives you all the proof you need to decide that they are in fact discussing what they they have never acknowledged, but for the rest of us, proof of nothing is not proof of anything. Beleif in anything not proven false can lead a man towards a great deal of unrealistic scenarios, and sometimes even madness. As a good friend of mine often says, ‘go sell crazy elsewhere, we are all filled up here at the moment’. I hope that you do not find this to be too harsh, but it is quite true in any event.
@Bear
Replace the word fantasy with nightmare, and I would totally agree.
#Bear Klein
Could you please send me the links to the articles to which you are referring?
@ David Singer, I have read an American Diplomat’s plus a Saudi official’s commentary that no current negotiation via the Palestinian issue is going on between the Saudis, Americans and Israelis. The Saudis said that things are far apart (which the Americans confirmed) and the Palestinian issue would be the last issue they would bring up after everything else agree to.
The American Diplomat also said that was is being reported in media is mostly false in particular the Israeli media. No surprise there!!!!
This completely contradicts your claims. The whole idea does not work for Israel in any case. The whole idea appears to be your fantasy or someone else’s fantasy which you are promoting.
#Ted
In refusing to publish my latest article – you now appear to be no better than Biden, the United Nations, the EU and the international media and think tanks in keeping your readers in the dark about the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution. That is of course your prerogative as the Editor. I appreciated your past publication – voluntarily – of my articles – because you alone were the only person world-wide prepared to do so – apart from my regular publishers.
The fact that you and the majority of your readers disagreed with the Saudi Proposal and were prepared to argue against its implementation was fine. It gave me an opportunity to answer those criticisms. That is what a free press should be all about.
The “Saudi Plan” is not my plan. It is a plan proposed by a close confidant of Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed Bin Salman that was first published in the Saudi Government-controlled Al- Arabiya News on 8 June 2022.
My latest article contains the following news report:
Don’t you think your readers should be made aware of this development accompanied by an analysis as to its significance?
Yes TED- as I said “Misleading”. We are tired of it to the extreme. I’m happy to brush that (desert) dust off my hands.
I notice that Abed is getting more involved, at least by the tweets that you post it seems so, thus showing that it is anything but a Mudar one-man-band, -like Singer’s.
The ignoring of the “Royal” wedding is very telling. VERY….!\
Likely didn’t even send a set of silver teaspoons.
@Edgar.
I didn’t post Singer’s latest because I did not want to aid him in his endeavors.
He uses every event in the conflict as an introduction to his “Saudi Plan” hoping to promote the plan even if no one else is.
I have just seen Singer’ latest in Arutz Sheva. I thought it would also be here.
Apart from his oft repeated but totally ignored “wish list’, he lists a series of potential events.
One is “For the first tme n 35 00 years Isrerl will have sovereignty over YESH.r
Another is “That, all “palestinians” including refugees will have Jordanian citizenship. This implies that they will be able to flood into the part of the Jewsh heartland envisioned by this one=ma-band cockamamie nonsense.
First; the Hebrews were just entering Canaan +- 3500 years ago, not yet a Nation. and 105 years ago the Sovereignty issue was settles in favour of the Jewish People beginning with San Remo.
Singer has a penchant for ignoring pertinent facts.
Second; flooding YESHA with destitute Arab terrorists is the 2SS on steroIds. NO WAY.
This guy just won;t GO AWAY. So we just have to ignoere him. When the JO is in place maybe then he’ll go back to his padded room.
Caroline Glick said relations with Saudi Arabia are just fine. Israel doesn’t need another signing ceremony in the White House. I agree. In fact, signed agreements just tie Israel’s hands. Look at Jordan. From 1973 to 1994, Israel had no problem with Jordan. Prime Minister Golda Meir felt no restrant in bombing terrorists in Jordan after the war. Have to keep potential antagonists on their toes. Look, the U.A.E. just withdrew from the military alliance. Muslim nations only sign Hudnas. Only Israel will feel morally or legally bound by any agreement she signs and will have to make very real concessions to get these symbolic but worthless pieces of paper. And not just Muslims. Remember the Bush memorandum guaranteeing large settlement blocks for which Sharon abandoned Gaza but which Obama refused to honor?
Singer’s claims that the Saudi’s are asking for a Hashemite Palestine has indirectly been refuted by both the USA and Saudi Arabia.
US diplomat says partial agreements between Israel & Saudi Arabia are more likely in the near future, rather than any full normalization. Most of what has been written in Israeli press is inaccurate according to US. The Saudis confirm this and go further. The Saudis say we are far from an agreement with Israel and the USA. They say they have not brought up the Palestinian issue and it has not been part of the discussions.
The Saudis say the Palestinian issue would ONLY be brought up at the tail end of discussions. So anyone claiming that the Saudi’s are demanding this or that about Palestine in the US/Saudi/Israeli discussions is inventing his or her own narrative. Sorry Mr. Singer!!!
David, I believe that you are enquiring about the loss of the Edit. The solution is to Log Out, then immediately Log In again.
I may be wrong in my assumption, and if so, I apologise.
DAVID-
I vividly recall reading in the Jerusalem Post, many years ago (I used to have the paper edition posted weekly to me from Israel) that he will “never be happy until he can unroll his prayer mat at the Al Aksa Mosque in Jerusalem”………..
Since then nothing really has changed at least outwardly with Saudi Arabia, notwithstanding the below the counter contacts and agreements, plane overflights etc. The outward signs are really meaningless as to effect. They are civilian passenger planes.
Sadsia keeps trotting out the cause of the “Palestinians”- fake and mongrel beggars that they are, who are not , never were, and never will be a People.
This alone shows me that Saudi Arabia has no real intention presently in forwarding relations with Israel.
Abd, regardless of your opinion, The Jordan Option IS the only possible solution that has been proposed in the past 75 years. You know that it’s complex, but not just how massive the undertaking was/is, the enormous amount of highly skilled investigation, and conclusions which had resulted.
Even if 7 years have not resulted in success so far, It is progressing, and we’ll all know more when that delegation returns from the US.
My forte was always “troubleshooting” and fixing on the critical point, and along with the many flawed Plans, I have zoomed in on the JO as being the only possible successful solution. Nothing else compares.
Although not always right, I was very seldom totally wrong.
#Ted
Sorry but your website continues to throw me. Hope you can republish my last comment in readable form. I remember you had a provision for amending a comment by an author before its publication – which seems to be no longer available.
#Edgar G
Deeming the forging of formal Israeli-Saudi ties a US interest, President Joe Biden’s national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, made a May 6-8 shuttle trip to the two countries.
David, What;s wrong, you seem to be stammering. Do you have difficulty getting speech out.
No point in sending me supporting links, because they are “supporting” your cockamamie Obsession. I never look at them. I know all I need or want to know about the situation. I am older than you and have been close to the whole history of 20th cent pre-Israel and since.
Arabs and Jews seem locked in permanent enmity, hatred on the Arab side, and cautious “respect but suspect” by Israel, and it’s not going to change. Peace with Arabs, served COLD, the most successful one being with Egypt, is the high point. And it’s problematic anyway. (great word problematic)
They would all turn on us in a flash if given the opening, and you know this
Israel’s very BEST chance of a real peace with an Arab country is if “The Jordan Option” is successful. No other can come close. .
Neither of us are in the know about what really goes on in Israel’s relationships with other states, the links you provide may or may not be accurate or contain a scrap of fact, plus a lot of “maybes’ and “perhapses” not uttered nut, nevertheless, there. They are only the opinions o pundits anyway.
I really mean no offense to you but you DO lay yourself open to ridicule and sometimes I get fed up and succumb.
Personally I respect you for past activity for Israel, and as I’ve already posted, always looked forward to your intelligent well stated articles.
NOT ThESE DAYS..
PA no longer controls Area A, there are just armed groups there and Israeli Security Forces constantly battling terrorists. So Judea / Samaria is in fact a more dangerous place now.
#Edgar G
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/371792?fbclid=IwAR2YaYJ6L-RKsJ436erFVHSDej2ztfn4ryrhTH55Ru6pspKHZmgHsRDoTfs
#Edgar G
#Edgar G
David-
All kidding aside, I don’t care a damn about Saudi-Israel relations complexity. Israels relationship with EVERY state is complex, much of it because we are Jews. It amounts to a bunch of politicians each side trying to steal a march on the other. Neither will be satisfied at the end of “successful” negotiations.
There will never be a “warm” peace with Saudi Arabia. Their fundamentalism has been too deeply chiseled into their very roots. for a thousand years. And they have overlorded it with all the other Arab stats.
Saudia has ruled the roost over Arabia for far too long, and has always had delusions of grandeur, resulting in it being one of the most backward and despotic regimes in the world.
If the damned Oil Companies hadn’t discovered their “golden elixir”, they’d be still living in camelhair tents, eating around outside fires and dipping into the communal pot, with their RIGHT hands only.
What business is it of theirs what happens in Jerusalem. For any other state (but Israel) it would be an internal matter.
#Edgar G
https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/saudi-arabia-and-israel-negotiations-are-complex-but/
MISLEADING is a well known shyster practice. I am tired of this crappy obsession.
All I can say is Ho, Ho, Ho.. Chanukah is coming early this year, and the harness is being checked the hooves inspected, chimney dimensions verified. Laughing gas is being distributed to all and sundry. (Nitrous.Oxide.)
Dumber is ready, Blitzen has lawyer’s croup, BUNKUM is in the pink, and as for the rest of them, They are mired in the usual Australian Kangaroo Krap.
Sebastien Darlin, I am delighted that I have become a role model for you. Every thing you need to know you learn in First Grade.
Mudar tweeted two days ago:
Just read this quote from legendary conductor, Arturo Toscanini, which I think applies to the pattern of appeasement which has become a tradition with us.
@Felix
from 2015
https://www.jpost.com/diplomacy-and-politics/knesset-now-has-record-number-of-non-jewish-mks
Sebastien advised that Ireland is a province of America with special friends in Ukrainian Nazis. Just that.
As regards Israel. Is the Jewish state for the Jewish people.
Others are living there and they have been given certain things but they have in my own view no rights to anything material.
Only Jews have rights. That’s the very definition of Israel.
Israel can adopt any system, capitalism or other, but it exists only to make Jews happy therefore safe.
And policies are built on that.
Only Jews for.example sit in Knesset.
It is not so complicated.
@ Felx
Felix, go to your room and no dinner for you tonight. Just wait until your father gets home! 😀
Oy, I’m starting to sound like Honeybee,
Oh, right, you’re Irish.
Aye, mate, I’m startin’ to sound like Barry Fitzgerald, i mean, Honey. 😀
What gives anyone the right to end a discussion. If barred on this site it will happen elsewhere. The whole idea of messing with freedom to discuss an issue or issues is an expression of great political bankruptcy.
I do not know where David Singers thoughts end up. The Arabs and Islam have always been mired in deceit.
But I am sure Singer is right in this
“#peloni1986
#Edgar G
“Jordan Option” I venture to say should be renamed “Jordan Floption”. Ted has worked very hard on promoting his solution for a long time – but its premise requiring regime change was bound to founder. Breathlesss predictions of its coming week after week were never met.”
I accept that as a qualitative point in the debating process. And that is a gain.
@David
Oh, is that something like courts ruling that people can be any sex they want, or none? Reminds of the old joke that goes:
How about we choose to identify with reality at some point.
Oh, and I can see you are a devoted acolyte of Dale Carnegie but one small point you may have missed:
Calling someone a dimwit is not the best strategy for winning friends and influencing people, (unless you are Don Rickles or Trump, I suppose. Do you suppose Trump was inspired by him? Oh, and do you recall, President Trump put sanctions on the members off the ICC over it’s illegal threats against Israel?). I would never dream of calling you a dhimmi, for example. That would be crossing the line, as well. Isn’t that a great expression, “crossing the line?” Just one of so many things Korean dramas can teach us about insightfully labeling social interaction just as a lot of Israeli and American Jewish dramas and literature also have a lot to teach us, like how to publicize that you hate yourself and would like do anything to please your mortal enemies in the vain hope they will like and respect you for it, as you make concessions from a position of strength.
Does it not matter to you that the overwhelming sentiment in the Jordanian government, elected officials, and army, is that they woukd conquer Israel if they could? I posted articles about that in this thread. Recent articles. The former PM who negotiated the peace treaty said that! And 110 of the 120 elected members of parliament signed a petition for the release of a Jordanian soldier who opened fire on Israeli 7th and 8th grade girls and their teachers on a school trip to the ironically labeled, “Island of Peace” killing several and wounding several more before his men stopped him. They are monsters. And you want Israel to turn over the Jewish ancestral heartland to them? No one has or ever will have the right to relinquish our God-given patrimony, the birthplace of our people plus security consideratiions.
Since Israel defeated this regime’s defeats in the 60s and 70s, Israel had no problem with it, until after the peace treaty was signed in the 90s.
You want peace?
“Hail the conquering hero!” Make no committments.
Two examples, nobody cares Res 242 committed to withdrawing from “territories” not “the territories.” Nobody cares that Rabin never agreed to Palestinian statehood or stopping Jewish settlement. Nobody cares that Arafat lied in his letter to Clinton when he claimed that the Palestinian National Council had voted to recognize Israel.
Let the enemies and frenemies beg for peace at any price.
And I hope you know that Israel didn’t steal any land. Up until 1948, every inch was purchased. The records exist. I read about a project to put them online. I wonder how that’s going.
What you propose is, as Oslo and the withdrawals from southern Lebanon and Egypt were, amounting to putting a gun in the hands of a defeated but unrepentant enemy.
#peloni1986
#Edgar G
“Jordan Option” I venture to say should be renamed “Jordan Floption”. Ted has worked very hard on promoting his solution for a long time – but its premise requiring regime change was bound to founder. Breathlesss predictions of its coming week after week were never met.
The Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution requires no regime change – indeed the PLO and Hamas have already agreed to the Hashemites governing the new entity. The solution will restore the situation existing on 4 June 1967 but in a greatly reduced area that will exclude East Jerusalem.
Ted apparently wants to call it a day and end this discussion. I am happy to do so – but if you continue to flog the horse – he will be forced to respond. You have made your position clear – as have I.
I thank Ted for allowing this discussion to run as long as it has.
@Edgar
And this says all that needs saying.
David Singer-
Bah..incorrigable. The midget kinglet will grasp at anything which not only keeps his throne and succession comparatively safe but freely gives him the Land of the hated Jews.
Yet, despite all, eventually the Jordan Option that Ted has been working on for years will eventually come about. It has to, it’s the only way that the issue can be settled without Israel being backstabbed by the habitually treacherous Arabs.
Abdullah says nothing, because there’s nothing for him to say. US Intelligence is in control of Jordan, except for day to day and local politics where he kinglet has some semblance of authority.
You in your absurdity make a positive out of a negative…..grasp any straw.
Jordan is a hefty beggar nation on the verge of disintegration or revolt, , and will never be anything else until the Jordan Option. is installed.
Ari Dale-
Ahem……
“Leave us in peace, not in pieces”. A memorable turn of phrase. Thank you.
#Ted
This horse refuses to die – so whilst the floggers try to bury it – including four or five vocal contributors here as well as the UN and the EU and the international media, think tanks and analysts – the horse won’t die.
It may stop breathing if you and your Jordanian contacts or some intrepid reporter can get King Abdullah to state: “I reject the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution and confirm Jordan supports the creation of a Palestinian State in the West Bank with its capital in Jerusalem.” How difficult should that be to get?
Come to thimk of it – the horse will also want to see similar statements from Mahmoud Abbas, Ismail Haniyeh and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed Bin Salman.
Can you Ted – with your worldwide media connections – wave the magic wand and grant the flogged horse his last dying wish so he can pass on peacefully whilst the conflict continues unabated as it has for the last 100 years to claim the lives of more Arabs and Jews than this one stubborn horse?
#Edgar G
Sorry Edgar: Netanyahu, Gantz and Lapid have already agreed to do so in part of that heartland. Conversely the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine offers Israel recognized international sovereignty in part of that heartland for the first time in 3500 years. These are the compromises that have to be made to get a peace agreement.
I would imagine the King and his advisors read the Saudi Government- controlled Al Arabiya News in which the Plan was published on 8 June 2022 and the King would also have been a party to agreeing to the amendment of that plan – which was not publishedin Al Arabiya News – for the reasons I detailed in this following article I wrote back in January 2023:
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/365923
King Abdulla has not said anything to me or anyone else about it in the 11 months since the plan was published – even though it trashes his policy of calling for a Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan for the first time in history. Did it ever occur to you that Abdulla has been silent because the proposal presents him with an opportunity to restore Hashemite rule in part of Judea and Samaria after foolishly seeing it lost when Jordan entered the Six Day War against Israel’s advice? Similarly do you think Hamas and the PLO and Saudi Arabia might also like the proposal because their leaders have also been silent for 11 months in rejecting a separate State between Israel and Jordan which they have been claiming for decades – with its capital in Jerusalem?
You and four or five other contributors have been unbending in rejecting the Saudi Plan. That is a natural response that one would expect when something is proposed that a person doesn’t like. How much more should the rejection of these four major players be to a plan which shreds each of their separately- pursued policies?
Guys, haven’t we beat this horse to death?
#Sebastien
Palestine acceded to the Rome Statute on 2 January 2015, and the prosecutor accepted Palestine as state party. However, the court has not made a ruling on the legal validity of this decision. Canada filed a declaration stating that it does not recognize Palestine as a state and as such it does not consider the Rome Statute to be in force between it and Palestine.
Correct – but the UN and EU don’t accept this body of international law and continue to delegtimise and denigrate Israel – becoming the two major purveyors of Jew-hatred affecting Jews all over the world – alleging they steal another people’s land and settle illegally in land they have no entitlement to.
Their failure to mention the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine once in the last eleven months as a solution to their own failed “two state solution” is proof positive they intend to pursue their unremitting campaign of Jew-hatred.
Dimwits like you unwittingly allow them to get away with their burial of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution without a trace.
As I have stated before successful implementation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine will shut up the Jew-hatred being spewed out daily by UN and EU.
Keep up your opposition to the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution Sebastien .. the UN and EU will be cheering you on .. if the Jews don’t want to see the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine created why should the UN and EU take up the cause?
Jew-bashing – not conflict resolution – has become the mantra of the UN and EU – and you and others like you have become their front line troops..
David…Dovidle-
A fictitious half-wit .not long ago, once said something which has since sunk into our language and become an axiom;
“Stupid is, as stupid does”…
I can even accept that your intentions are good, and your belief is sincere,
BUT… For the myriad of reasons already exhaustively presented to you by \our members, demonstrate that “The Road to Hell is paved with Good Intentions”.
Your obsessive , pathological clinging to a nebulous totally illogically and certainly false trust is the perfect example.
You are a One Man Band. on a single subject that is not discussed in “The Halls of Power” and never will be. The non-listeners are stone deaf anyway.
You eventually will have to accept this. regardless of your Super Glue tenaciousness.
Israel will never hand over its heartland to an Arab, and an Arab dedicated to Israel’s destruction like the rest of his Muslim Brotherhood.
Stoker’s Dracula has more resuscitative powers than your “Hashemite” dream. (our nightmare-if we ever accepted it)
I am beginning to feel sorry for you indeed. Even the Berlin Wall came down but the indifference to your pet, will not abate one nano-fraction.
Do the Hashemites even know anything anout it. What has Abdulla said to you about it??
@David
Actually what you are trying to do is leave us, not in peace, but in pieces, with no benefit for the sacrifice. As I noted before, the only thing which should impress an import upon us is what we want, not the UN, not the ICC, not the Arab league and for the sake of all sanity, not the EU. Our interests are our own to craft, measure and pursue. The sovereignty of the state of Israel is for Israel to choose, and no other, as indicated by the Israeli people thru their representative democracy. When you speak of satisfying these autocratic international leviathan’s you should recognize that their interests do not in any meaningful way reflect that of Israel, and pursuing such a non-national focus on a subject which carries with it both existential and permanent consequences will not end well – with the worse part of the butcher’s bill being laid at the feet of the very citizens of Israel who you seem to reflect so little consequence upon as to not include even the slightest mention in your calculus of satisfying these foreign power brokers in New York, Brussels and the Hague. By supporting the abrogation of national interests to the interests which so soundly contrast with our own is a dangerous standard for anyone to support.
Do recall that Israel did not include these institutions in its decision to carry out the policy successes of Operation Jonathan (Entebbe), nor Operation Opera (Iraq), nor in Operation Outside the Box (Syrian). Similar to these victories, instead of dealing with terrorists, providing them status and support, power and land, we should deal them a crippling blow, placing their heads at our feet. Contrary to being cavalier hyperbole, this is how peace in the Middle East might actually be achieved. If the parties who claim an interest in peace have any interest in peace, let them come to us, let them accept us, our state, our capital, our people, our boundaries and our customs.
The only thing, with or without peace, which will preserve and protect Israel and her people is the ability by Israel to deal a powerful blow against any and all who would do us harm. This will not change, no matter what international organization you care to placate. This is the Middle East and this is how victory is won and it is also how peace is achieved, by going from strength to strength, and not by offering bits of ourselves as bargaining chits to those who have already collected far too many of our chits already without any sign of it satisfying them.
#Edgar
That is what I am trying to do in calling for the implementation of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine solution – but you are dead set on rejecting it – preferring to live with ongoing conflict.
Dumb,dumb,dumb …
SINGER-
Sorry …..THREE years ago if you say so. It seems like 30. And what difference does it make As R.Torta said to Akiva, “grass will grow through your cheekbones before” any or all of those entities you mentioned even bother looking at your totally discredited “Plan”.
And, on your comment to Bear Klein, you complain he doesn’t look at the “merits” of the Plan…. That shows his very good common sense, as the “Plan” has NO MERITS at all.
Say, for instance, hypothetically, this plan was installed and documented and agreed on…How long would it last…..only until Israel turns its back and gets an Arab knife into it.
As you crazy or just simple, Do you really think that Arabs, any Arab, would ever keep an agreement with Jews /Israel-if it suited them to break it. .??????
Have you heard of “The Oslo Peace Accords” and have you taken note of how quickly it was broken (the break was competing against how long it would take the ink to dry) and what horrors that Accord let loose into Israel that we are still struggling with it,, paying with innocent blood every single day..
Hard to believe the stupidity of the Israeli govt., the slimy snake Peres the half witted Beilin, and Rabin the Altalena murderer, were ruling Israel then..
Just go away and leave us in peace.
@David
So what? They’re wrong. And by the way, neither Israel nor he U.S. is a signatory to the Rome Statute. The ICC doesn’t even have jurisdiction. The PA isn’t a state and isn’t a signatory either.
Jewish Sovereignty over all of the former Palestine Mndate is laid out in San Remo (1920) and reaffirmed in the treaty of Sevre, the Palestine Mandate Act of the League of Nations (1922), reaffirmed in a separate Anglo-American treaty, ratified by twoU.S. Congresses and signed by two presidents, and incorporated in the U.N. charter srticle 80b.
A French Court reaffirmed Israel as the sovereign in Judea and Samaria a few years ago.
The U.S. recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in the Jerusalem Embassy Act twice under two Congresses and Two presidents. Trump applied it.
The EU has been funding illegal Arab settlement in Area C and Pal terror organizations.
The Arab League is an enemy which in some cases has become a temporary frenemy in the face of Iran. Who cares what they think?
#Sebastien
Trouble is the UN, the EU, the International Court of Justice, the International Criminal Court, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation and the Arab League for starters do not agree with your cavalier statements. Successfully implementing the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine Solution will consign their current objections to ancient history and end 100 years of conflict between Arab and Jews.Agreement on implementing the plan may not be reached – but trying to do so should be universally supported.
@David
1. Jerusalem is already the sole capital of Israel.
2. Israel already has sovereignty over all of Judea and Samaria but has refrained from applying it. It could do so at any time at the will of the Knesset.
3. The Yesha Arabs had citizenship in the illegitimate Jordanian state before. So what? They were enemies before and they are enemies now.
4. There is no Palestinian state. The Arabs have judenrein autonomy in parts of Greater Israel. That needs to be ended by Israel. The Arabs have to go. The Jordan Option might contribute to that in a peaceful way. Your plan would anchor them in place and give them the protection of an enemy state. Muslims don’t respect treaties. Only Hudnas until they have the power to betray them.
#Bear Klein
Why are you so keen to not even discuss the merits of this proposal? What is your view of this plan whose successful implementation offers:
1. Jerusalem to be the sole capital of Israel
2. Israeli sovereignty in part of Judea and Samaria for the first time in 3500 years
3. Citizenship in the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine for the Arab population of Judea and Samaria living in the area of the Hashemite Kingdom of Palestine designated west of the Jordan River.
4. The shredding of a Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan.
No proposal before this one has ever offered such concessions. Why do you want to bury it without a trace?
#Singer – Trump plan was a real plan. It was written it was published, it was debated in many publications. It was discussed. It did not come to fruition.
If the concept you like was a plan and was real it would be published, it would be debated in many publications. It would be discussed. Then it would be real, which it is not. It is not real nor viable.