Jordan Peterson Leaves Piers Morgan SPEECHLESS on Vladimir Putin!!!

September 23, 2022 | 30 Comments »

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  1. Hi, Ketzel. You said,

    Therefore, both sides want it (obvious), therefore Putin is one of them.

    I agree — not an “official” member, of course — he recently got shunned by the G8 — but certainly of one accord with Biden, Scholz, Schwab, etc.

  2. Hi, Linda. You said,

    Putin is a KGB pragmatist. He does what is expedient for Russia in the moment. His alliance with China and Russia is advantageous to Russia in the moment. Putin is a chameleon who changes colors with the one he is with…, Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was all part of his scripted participation in the greater globalist plan.

    I agree. As for China’s role in the Ukraine conflict, they are hedging bets for their OWN self-interests:

    China Lays Out Official Position On Ukraine War At UN Assembly
    Tyler Durden’s Photo
    by Tyler Durden
    Saturday, Sep 24, 2022 – 09:05 AM

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-lays-out-official-position-ukraine-war-un-general-assembly

  3. Hi, Sebastien. You said,

    David beat Goliath 6-0. ?

    In American football, “6” is the score for a touchdown. Is David’s “take-down” equivalent to a “touchdown”? 🙂

  4. I disagree with Steve Turley entirely. First, Turley’s earlier statement that Putin has destroyed the WEF is absurd. What I never forget is that Vladimir Putin is a KGB pragmatist. He does what is expedient for Russia in the moment. His alliance with China and Russia is advantageous to Russia in the moment. Putin is a chameleon who changes colors with the one he is with. Putin’s stated ambition is the reunification of the Soviet Union – his ambition is not the same megalomania as China’s. I don’t forget that Putin invited the WEF in with plans to make Moscow a “smart” city. So, for me, Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was all part of his scripted participation in the greater globalist plan.

    The globalists needed to destroy all the American bio-labs in Ukraine, and the evidence of the staggering corruption of American politicians. Putin wanted eastern Ukraine back, and he needed to stop Ukraine Nazis from attacking Russians in eastern Ukraine, plus war is a cash cow for Russian gas and oil prices which stabilized the Russian economy.

    The problem with doing business with chameleons, is that they are entirely untrustworthy in the long term. So, maybe Putin realized the position of strength for Russia was an alliance with China – for the moment. Of this I am certain, Vladimir Putin is no hero of democracy, and neither is Volodmyr Zelensky. It would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic and dangerous, that Americans are waving Ukrainian flags in solidarity with Zelensky, WEF’s puppet presented as the hero of democracy, who eliminated all political opposition and political parties in Ukraine!

  5. Though Vietnam defeated the US and Afghanistan defeated the Soviet Union contributing to its collapse. Protracted wars can wear down even giants.

  6. People who think Putin opposes the NWO are missing the big picture. This situation has been headed for WWIII since day 1, because it’s the script. If WWIII weren’t likely to facilitate the NWO, it wouldn’t happen. Therefore, both sides want it (obvious), therefore Putin is one of them.

  7. Hi, Peloni. I just found this on Xinhua:
    https://english.news.cn/20220923/4061744af1874469a7a1f2e8a16daba2/c.html
    Xi congratulates China News Service on 70th anniversary

    Source: Xinhua

    Editor: huaxia

    2022-09-23 19:09:45

    BEIJING, Sept. 23 (Xinhua) — President Xi Jinping has sent a congratulatory letter to the China News Service (CNS) on its 70th founding anniversary, stressing the importance of innovating the discourse system and improving the capacity for international communication.

    If it is true (Xinhua is PRC’s main propaganda organ), alive, well and free.

  8. @Michael
    You should watch the video by Jennifer Zeng I posted in Chit Chat. Here is the (link). It is short and explains what is known and some rather detailed analysis going back a few weeks. I was surprised that Epoch didn’t have any coverage of note beyond the airline shutdown. It seems that there are several prominent members of the CCP being sentenced to death and a general, who had recently (couple of weeks) been relieved from commanding one of the 5 sectors of China, was oddly enough was prominently present during a security seminar, from which Xi was oddly enough absent, and where the speakers failed to even mention Xi by name, which Zeng notes as being singularly odd as well. Zeng does report a strange video a few weeks ago when explosions were reorded inside China, though she disputed it as being possibly false at the time, she is reconsidering its possible relevance currently.

    Zeng is a very credible and respected journalist on all things China, which you may know given your interest in China. She was one of the first sources to reveal the breaking story of the highly placed Chinese defector last year, for instance. She is being careful in her current coverage on the possible coup. It really does appear as if the coup either failed or that a number of fall guys are being eliminated for the CCP to maintain the effect that it had.

  9. Gordon G. Chang
    @GordonGChang
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    This video of military vehicles moving to #Beijing comes immediately after the grounding of 59% of the flights in the country and the jailings of senior officials. There’s a lot of smoke, which means there is a fire somewhere inside the #CCP. #China is unstable.
    Jennifer Zeng ??
    @jenniferatntd
    #PLA military vehicles heading to #Beijing on Sep 22. Starting from Huanlai County near Beijing & ending in Zhangjiakou City, Hebei Province, entire procession as long as 80 KM. Meanwhile, rumor has it that #XiJinping was under arrest after #CCP seniors removed him as head of PLA

    https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1573481779163447297?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1573481779163447297%7Ctwgr%5Eac303193cee6678fa5efdd52c642fe38a96cee1a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zee5.com%2Farticles%2Fchinese-president-xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-reports-suggest-hostile-pla-takeover-3

  10. How much does anyone want to bet, that we’ll have a mobilization and “state of emergency” before election day?

    It seems the ones benefiting most from Putin’s bellicose actions are Biden and the Globalists 😐

  11. Here we go…

    G7 Leaders’ Statement
    September 23, 2022

    We, the Leaders of the Group of Seven (G7), strongly condemn the sham referenda that Russia attempts to use to create a phony pretext for changing the status of Ukrainian sovereign territory, which is subject to an ongoing Russian aggression. These actions clearly breach the United Nations Charter and international law and go diametrically against the rule of law among nations.

    These sham referenda initiated today by Russia and its proxies have no legal effect or legitimacy, as demonstrated by Russia’s hasty methods of organisation, which in no way respect democratic norms, and its blatant intimidation of local populations. These referenda in areas that have been forcibly put under Russia’s temporary control in no way represent a legitimate expression of the will of the Ukrainian people, who have consistently resisted Russian efforts to change borders by force. We will never recognise these referenda which appear to be a step toward Russian annexation and we will never recognise a purported annexation if it occurs.

    In addition, we deplore deliberate Russian escalatory steps, including the partial mobilisation of reservists and irresponsible nuclear rhetoric.

    We call upon all countries to unequivocally reject these sham referenda as Russia’s attempt to give false cover to its violations of international law. We stand ready to impose further economic costs on Russia, and on individuals and entities – inside and outside of Russia –providing political or economic support for Russia’s illegal attempts to change the status of Ukrainian territory.

    We are steadfast in our commitment to providing the support Ukraine needs to uphold ist sovereignty and territorial integrity, to defend itself, and to choose its own future. We will continue to provide financial, humanitarian, military, diplomatic and legal support, and will move ahead on reconstruction efforts, including through the International Expert Conference on the Recovery, Reconstruction and Modernisation of Ukraine in Berlin on 25 October.

    We will stand firmly with Ukraine for as long as it takes.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/09/23/g7-leaders-statement-3/

  12. @Ted I’m glad to hear it. But in that case, he needs to work on his presentation. It’s not my problem, I’ll just do my best to avoid him.

  13. @Ted I hope I didn’t give the impression of being pro NWO. Maybe it’s just Turley’s strange affect, but he does give the impression of being happy about the fact that we have weak leadership and are wrecking ourselves. The fact that Putin is a strong leader and trying to win, does not make him a person any American patriot should support or be a FANBOY of. I used to be favorably impressed by Putin’s strong image and advocacy of Russian interests. However, he seems to have lost the plot recently, IMO.

    Here is the difference between Putin and Trump, and an analogy can be found between Jordan Peterson and Turley. Trump is OUR strongman, Putin is THEIR strongman. Peterson is OUR social critic, Turley is THEIR social critic. He should either correct the way he communicates, as if he were shilling for enemies, or start posting his propaganda on Russia Today.

    It’s not about political analysis, I too am against the things Turley is against. But I love the USA, and Turley doesn’t convey that in the slightest. He seems like someone who either hopes to get a job with BRICS or already has one.

  14. @Ketzel

    But Turley’s exulting in the decline of our own culture and way of life, gives me the right to name him Moscow Jane.

    It is the NWO that is the threat to our own culture and way of life, not Russia. Just the opposite. Turley does a great job of pointing out the NWO wants to cancel culture and Russia stands for maintaining its Identity as does Israel and Trump. This is not about democracy v totalitarianism. The NWO is totalitarian because it wants to rule from the top down. Russia stands for the idea of to each his own. Thus each state can decide for itself.

    Turley explains it quite well here.

  15. Jordan Peterson makes the case well. Let me state my position on Turley better than I have…Peterson has given an example of how to discuss the decline of the west, with gravitas. He is not dancing on our grave, and his solution isn’t to be a cheerleader for a foreign enemy dictator. That’s why I can partly agree with what he says, because he is not a traitor.

    I want the USA to withdraw from NATO. I want NATO to back off from Ukraine. Regardless of who is right or who started it, risking WWIII over some obscure territory of little importance to the USA or Israel is a mistake. The real purpose of the war is to enrich bad people who don’t represent their own people. So I don’t take sides, I’m neutral, have been for quite some time, ever since I realized Zelensky is a puppet following a script like a trained seal.

    But Turley’s exulting in the decline of our own culture and way of life, gives me the right to name him Moscow Jane. As I’ve mentioned, being against the Vietnam war was honorable, going to Hanoi to be a cheerleader for the North was treason. I have to put Turley in this camp, he is not a patriot. Compare that to Peterson, who discusses our problems but tries to solve them, not rejoice that people who hate us are organizing effectively to defeat us. NATO being bad doesn’t make BRICS good. Being partisan in this war is a trap. Also, how about those million and a half or so Russian speakers in Israel, does Putin want to protect them? And what I’ve written here doesn’t contradict what I wrote about the referendum. The territory isn’t worth anything to us, but the referendum shouldn’t be recognized by any country that wants to have borders.

  16. @Ted I thought like you before but my position now is that Russia has thoroughly cast in its lot – no pun intended – with Israel’s enemies, Russia has no rights. If Russia should correct its posture towards Israel, it will have rights again. Simplifies things, wonderfully, no? ?

  17. @Michael
    you talk about what a nation has the right to do. You did not use the word “country”

    Russia considers the Russian speaker in the Donbass as part of the Russian nation and that they have the right and the duty to protect them.
    If Israel was a country during the Second World War, Israel would have joined the war in defence of Jews. Its only natural.

  18. Hello again, Peloni. You said,

    I have just explained my difference of opinion to your own elsewhere, so I won’t repeat it here, but I believe that a nation should have the ability to act in its own defense.

    Focusing on what you have chosen to focus on, nations indeed have the right of self-defense: including Russia, Ukraine and, collectively, NATO. Even the UN recognizes this right, but that hasn’t prevented wars. For that sham-august body, the main sticking point seems to have been the “She started it!” argument we all employed as children. At least here on Israpundit, we even mostly agree that Israel has a PREEMPTIVE right of “self-defense” in 1967. The argument in that matter is that “the real aggressor is the party that makes conflict inevitable.

    Was conflict “inevitable” in the Ukraine? A peace agreement was already in effect at the beginning of 2022, waiting for the world’s powers to honor it. None chose to do so; but the reason was not anything to do with the will of the Ukrainian people: The reason was a shift in global strategy by Russia and China, in their deciding to challenge American hegemony. Germany and Japan employed the same reasoning in 1939, with catastrophic results; and the results of this round of adventurism promise to be far more catastrophic than WWII.

    You might find the following an interesting quick read:

    Funeral of Queen Elizabeth II marked Putin’s sudden turning point

    https://www.worldtribune.com/funeral-of-queen-elizabeth-ii-marked-putins-sudden-turning-point/

  19. @Michael
    My comment was actually directed towards Petersons very astute argument which Turley described as having left Morgan speechless. I have just explained my difference of opinion to your own elsewhere, so I won’t repeat it here, but I believe that a nation should have the ability to act in its own defense. Russia made her strategic security concerns well known prior to her actions and they have easily acted with a modicum of restraint which was well absent in the wars that took place in Serbia, Libya or Iraq. I don’t believe that Putin is a saint nor a monster, but he is a national leader who has reached out to other leaders to negotiate a settlement on this matter for many years and failed to find any solution to this matter.

    Also, the obsession of Russia and China for their lost possessions is not what has been driving the current crisis in the east or the west. It is the over bold, terribly clumsy and purposefully provocative measures taken by the West and more specifically the US which have changed the accepted status quo which has existed for a very long time. Given the openly provocative nature by the West to these two geopolitical rivals, Russia and China will act in their own interests and reclaiming lost colonies is unfortunately an obvious consequence to the change in Western policies which prevented such actions by both these nations from taking place for decades prior to the current provocations.

    Of course, intelligent men will disagree, but these are my own thoughts such as they are.

  20. Peloni,

    You are welcome to your opinion.

    Of course, I don’t agree. Steve Turley, Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin are all war mongering; and unless God intervenes, all three will get what they are selling. At the rate things are currently moving, “opinions” and “analyses” will be things of the past: people will simply be suffering and dying, on a massive scale.

    I might insert here, that PR China is also on a dead-end course. While in the US the Biden regime is trying to hold on to power through cheating and chicanery. China’s Xi is doing the same thing using Communist Chinese tools: brutal abuse of power:

    Chinese ‘political clique’ leader Sun Lijun faces life in jail for corruption as law enforcement purge winds down

    The former deputy security minister accused of being disloyal to Xi Jinping was given a suspended death sentence that will be commuted after two years
    Five other members of Sun’s faction have been sentenced this week as the purge winds down ahead of a major leadership reshuffle

    William Zheng Published: 2:08pm, 23 Sep, 2022
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3193527/chinese-political-clique-leader-sun-lijun-faces-life-jail?module=lead_hero_story&pgtype=homepage

    It’s interesting, that Xi is using the same irridentist logic in threatening Taiwan that Putin is using in Ukraine. Bar a miracle, the unholy trinity of Biden, Putin and Xi are hell-bent on disaster.