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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
Caroline Glick for PM
OK, if not Bibi, then who? Who can bring victory, peace, and tame the American tiger?
@FelixQuigley
To me it seems that Israeli politicians always seek to have an excuse for not doing pro-Israel things.
So they start screaming about their plans and wait to be stopped because they really don’t want to do these things or don’t want to take responsibility, or quite happily go along with anti-Israel policies but want to show that they don’t.
The US usually obliges and their plans never become reality but they have a great excuse of being under unbearable pressure, being forced to stop what they wanted to do, being blackmailed with the termination of aid, etc.
I hope Israel won’t stop the military operation in Gaza because it will lose the case in The Hague and claim that it has to submit to the court’s verdict, otherwise, I don’t understand why Israel is even there participating in this provocation.
When I said he waited on Trump I deliberately meant waited on Trump to come to power.
I meant…that kind of politician may be appearing patriotic etcetera
But he or she will always be playing a card game and always having … Self creating…another possible move
And it never gets done
And then after other delays by ZORN in which he even calls me of all people a HOLOCAUST DENIER we are out of time
TROTSKY AN AESOP’S FABLE REWORKED
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Leon Trotsky
Fascism: What it is and how to fight it
Leon Trotsky
Fascism: What it is and how to fight it
An Aesop Fable
A cattle dealer once drove some bulls to the slaughterhouse. And the butcher came at night with his sharp knife.
“Let us close ranks and jack up this executioner on our horns,” suggested one of the bulls.
“If you please, in what way is the butcher any worse than the dealer who drove us hither with his cudgel?” replied the bulls, who had received their political education in Manuilsky’s institute [The Comintern].
“But we shall be able to attend to the dealer as well afterwards!”
“Nothing doing,” replied the bulls, firm in their principles, to the counselor. “You are trying, from the left, to shield our enemies—you are a social-butcher yourself.”
And they refused to close ranks. “
Reader
Many also many on Israpundit were critical of Netanyahu forming this UNITY cabinet thing.
Remember trotsky ran the civil war. Sure he didn’t do a single thing alone but he led and inspired it from the front.
Netanyahu is the direct opposite.
Trotsky alone
Netanyahu offloads
Sort of sums it up.
Netanyahu could have at that UN meet yes could have said, with no ballyhoo, we have a common problem
Let us stop the Mullahs bomb or it will stop all
Get in touch. America. Do it now with us.
If you don’t we will.
And asap carry it out.
But no he waited on Trump. Israeli leaders talk and wait.
And it’s so obvious. Almost it appears to me 100 per cent of Israelis know my own simple program.
Say after October 7 we people cannot live in this space with Islamics. Netanyahu cannot do that. Really can not! But there are a million Israelis who would ! (say indeed that very thing)
And since I repeat myself I must cease.
@FelixQuigley
You know what I think is really happening?
Both Netanyahu and his ministers work hand in glove but Netanyahu PRETENDS to have different opinions from them where it counts politically – the electorate has really become radicalized after October 7, and Netanyahu keeps building up his image as a suffering savior.
Peloni
I merely observe this. Everyone I meet in politics has a reply in words as I noted below…
“Who would you rather have had instead of Bibi? Rabin? Peres? Barak? Sharon? Olmert? Lapid? Bibi has his faults, and has made his share of mistakes, but no one gives him the credit that he is due.
This is the most infuriating sort of reply.
All those you mention apart from Netanyahu are bad news leadership wise and record wise. Who here defended them? ”
That person had entered into the discussion a falsity. Reader had said NO SUCH THING.
That makes me so angry as does every diversion as does every diversion by ZORN
BECAUSE MY PERSONAL TIME IS WASTED AND THE CLOCK IS TICKING
I agree with most of what you say above but it’s not the issue
Leadership is and it isn’t there.
But it takes too long to explain this properly. My point is not only is Reader worried everyone is. Real genuine worry. Especially Jews today.
@Edgar G.
I didn’t realize that you wanted me to respond to you personally.
I just wanted to give a general answer instead of talking to everyone separately which adds to confusion.
Yes, I think God exists, otherwise Jews would have disappeared 3,500 years ago and no one would even remember them, and we wouldn’t have a state after one third of the Jewish population perished in the Holocaust.
I think it is a mistake for Israel to claim to be part of the Western civilization – this civilization is the most lying, vicious, and murderous in the world – we are the people who dwell alone – remember what happened after Israel decided to form an alliance with the Ancient Rome?
What you call “political bartering” is corruption pure and simple.
Your beloved Bibi has just cancelled the sovereignty of Israel over the Golan Heights and all the areas along the northern border, and I am positive that there is among the 7 million Israeli Jews someone who is fit to be Israel’s prime minister.
This is what dear Bibi is doing to Israel while putting everybody to sleep with his thundering pronouncements and after clearing both the northern and the southern borders of Israel of its residents thus literally making these territories a no-man’s land:
This is TREASON pure and simple! IN HUGE NEON LETTERS! Where is the news about it in Israel’s mass media?
Caroline Glick talked about this in her show with David Wurmser:
https://www.israpundit.org/david-wurmser-us-treating-israel-like-it-is-not-a-sovereign-country-the-caroline-glick-show/
After watching the show, I decided to find the references to these events on the Internet.
Israel is not treating itself as a sovereign country, so why would anyone else?
In addition, Israel decided to give legitimacy to the kangaroo court by participating in a show trial which is practically guaranteed to result in a guilty verdict for Israel, like the country hasn’t debased itself enough yet.
READER
You didn’t address me by name, although I addressed you. Am I toxic suddenly or is it just abysmally bad manners on your part.
When I said the whole world it included Israel. The trading and bartering is not a sin against Torah values. Even if it was, Modern times will have put them far far in the background.
So don’t prevaricate and put Israeli political bartering in government- high up on the “SIN” register.
If you do you’re living in a dream world AAlll alone.
A question.. ….are you suddenly becoming religious, or coming to idealise Israel, a modern Western country, as unique not only for it’s religion but also for it’s “Purity of Arms and politics”.
Ho Ho Ho as Santa says. Forgive me for bringing another mythical concept.
@Felix
Let us be clear. October 7 changed everything, something which you yourself have noted, but the most important change which took place due to October 7 is for Israelis to recognize that the peace being forced upon them by the US is no peace at all, but simply a path towards their imminent slaughter. Prior to October 7, however, there was no consensus in Israel which agreed with this fact, quite unfortunately.
Regarding the establishment of the status quo, I have ALWAYS objected to it as I found it to be an immoral attempt to placate Israel’s allies at the cost of Israeli security, Israeli sovereignty and Israeli lives, over and over without any particular expectation that the butcher’s bill might be settled. It was, however, popular. or at least acceptable, with the electorate, and this is made plain by the fact that Bibi won election after election having established this frozen conflict policy as the best which might be achieved and tolerated by the Americans. In fact, the period under which Bibi developed the status quo in Gaza was among the most difficult periods for Israel specifically because of the anti-Zionist specter, ie Obama, which came to inhabit the halls of power in the US, almost simultaneously with Bibi’s own return to power. Notably, the rise of Iran as a nuclear state was a far greater point of concern for Israel than was the intolerable plight of the inhabitants of Sderot and the Gaza envelop. Noting this, it was against the Iranian nuclear program which Bibi focused the use of his political capital during Obama’s presidency. And it should be noted that Bibi did not just expend that capital while opposing the hostile US policy makers as he stood against those in leadership alongside him in Israel. In fact when Bibi pressed to strike Iran back in 2011, when Bibi wanted to annihilate the Iranian threat which would have left him free to actually deal with Hamas, Benny Begin, Dan Meridor, Eli Yishai, Ya’alon, Steinitz, the heads of Mossad, Shin Bet and most of the entire top echelon of the IDF and Military Intelligence stood shoulder to shoulder and blocked him from doing so. This was despite the fact that the Chief of Staff of the IDF stated the operation was feasible. Much could have been different if Bibi had the authority to override the will of those who stood with America in blocking Bibi’s decision to strike Iran, but this was beyond his authority to do.
Also, it is noteworthy to acknowledge that the report clarifying the opposition which stood against Bibi was not sourced to Bibi himself, rather it came from a disclosure made by that villain Ehud Barak who made every attempt to prevent this disclosure public.
This was the context in which the establishment of the status quo came to be adopted and the consequence was first to have the inhabitants of the Envelop terrorized over and over again, and more recently kidnapped and slaughtered.
Notably, the failure of the old conception was not one to be sourced to a single person or even a single faction, as the entire political establishment supported this policy and the public consistently voted in favor of those who established and maintained the status quo without any interest of lending support for some dissident voice who might have championed ending the charade which comprised the old conception.
Bibi may feel that appeasing the hostile American administration for the moment is the best path he can muster, but I would argue that this is not true, and that doing so places Israel in a far more precarious position than if he simply said, “Yankee go home”, and deal with the consequences as they win the war and the peace which comes afterward.
@Reader
“War is policy by other means” – Von Clausewitz
“Sports is war by other means.” – Von Zorn
A flip answer is all I can muster in the face of being told that the main problems are efficiency and corruption. You can’t be serious.
The main bone of contention is that the Left doesn’t take the Arab/Muslim threat seriously and wants to appease the Americans who are appeasing the Jihadists at the expense of Jewish safety, sovereignty, and civil rights and the Right wants to win the war and make Israel safe.
Wake up and smell the coffee!!
This is the most infuriating sort of reply.
All those you mention apart from Netanyahu are bad news leadership wise and record wise. Who here defended them?
But I am reading stuff about this MINISTER OF DEFENCE openly contradicting Netanyahu over big issues
So that’s the setup.
Now they talk of Arabs moving back north.
If that’s the case Netanyahu has no control over government.
If I as a non Jew am missing something tell me.
But others here are saying it too.
All this is made seriously DANGEROUS FOR JEWS in and outside of Israelbecause of a very partisan media
There are solutions but first you must listen
I’ve watched Netanyahu for a long time. I think that he is often unfairly criticized and under-appreciated. He has had to walk a tight-rope between all the factions in Israel, while delicately playing Israel’s hand with the US, the Arabs, and Russia. This must be incredibly difficult, yet he has done it with skill. He has done the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Who would you rather have had instead of Bibi? Rabin? Peres? Barak? Sharon? Olmert? Lapid? Bibi has his faults, and has made his share of mistakes, but no one gives him the credit that he is due.
Reader
I have seen evidence in the speech of Gantz that he seeks a POPULAR FRONT. This term means the suppression of vital debate. A 1930 thing…something similar goes on on a wide scale.
I don’t care how every government in the world works, Israel is unique and under constant threat, so it needs a government that works and not some kind of a nest of corruption and unending personal vendettas.
Governance is not sports where you have two teams and only one of them can win.
Whoever acts according to the paradigm of false dichotomies becomes a useful idiot of the PTB who use this tool to control the mob while doing whatever the corrupt politicians want while ruining the country at the same time.
@FelixQuigley
Thanks for your support.
I think convincing anybody of anything is hopeless but I will try to explain things.
Reader
Keep your spirit up. The issues involved in this discussion will not end today.
It is taking me time to digest the issues but I intend to and in any case some need to speak.
Sebastien,
Are you talking about Bibi? or Trump? It seems they share boilerplates.
READER-
You’re looking for Utopia. Never happen. This is the way almost every govt in the world works, even the Dictatorships to a large degree.
The ONLY imporatnat point is that the PM’s “crimes have been proving spurious and as I said right at athe very beginning, Mandelblit offered to drop all indictments if the PM left politics.
Sebastien is quite right also. In this case you are walking up the yellow brick road.
@Reader The corruption charges against Bibi have been shown to be without merit and the current government is a unity government not a coalition government, with Schwanz, I mean Ganz (damn that autocorrect) as the Defence Minister. How’s that workin’ out for ya?
@Sebastien Zorn
I am not saying there is no difference between policies.
I am against labeling first and making decisions based on labeling rather than on issues.
The division into coalition and opposition is artificial and it harms the government which instead of working on behalf of the country and making the best decisions possible based on different issues is busy fighting and undermining the other side just because the other side is considered the enemy.
The horse trading enables corruption because the PM promises anything and everything to buy himself support in order to form his coalition including creating a large number of completely unnecessary and wasteful ministries instead of focusing on the several important ministries which every country cannot do without and which should be run by experts or at least by competent people instead of incompetents who happen to be there by accident for several years only because the PM needed to buy their loyalty.
This government (coalition – they only consider coalition to be the government thus paralyzing half the Knesset that happens to be in opposition for the current term) is corrupt and incompetent because from the beginning it has not stopped its money and power grab for a particular sector, I don’t think I need to explain which sector it is, enabled by someone pathologically obsessed with keeping his power no matter what, and by someone pathologically obsessed with ruining the country’s judiciary in order to help the above mentioned person and sector to accomplish what they want.
Moreover, quite unexpectedly (to me, at least), the representatives of this sector, once their actions were out in the open, turned out to be neither righteous, nor intelligent, nor interested in anyone’s well being except their own, and this is why THIS government is the one which finally let the crisis materialize.
@Reader Peloni wrote: “He supported the formation of the Leftist govt with Bennett which rewarded the Arabs of Israel for their role in that war with cash, land and political positions of the local chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, rather than restoring the policy of executions against Hamas’ leadership for their coordinated assault upon Israel by air and mobs. ”
Are you asserting that there is no substantive difference between these two types of policies or that they have committed constituencies?
You wrote: “The first thing Israel must do is abolish the division of the Knesset into coalition and opposition and abolish the horse trading which takes place when PM tries to form his coalition.”
In a parliamentary system in which no single party can garner 51 percent of the votes, ie., 61 mandates?
By the way, while we’re on the subject of horse-trading to form a coalition necessary to form a government in a parliamentary system. I see Geert Wilders has yet to be able to form a government despite winning a plurality of the votes.
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/netherlands-wilders-wont-ban-mosques-as-concession-in-coalition-talks/
Finally, why do you believe this government has been more corrupt and incompetent than any of the previous governments that laid the foundation for this crisis, or was that just hyperbole because this is the government currently in power?
Israel could get a broad right wing government if Likud had a different leader. If Bibi stays the leader of the Likud it is very possible Gantz will become the next Prime Minister. That is a very scary thought!
Long overdue. The October 7th catastrophe is not out of context. The origin is rooted in a totally corrupt system of government. The governments since Disengagement all knew that Gaza was untenable except as a base against Israel. It cannot possibly be that such huge military enterprise was unknown.
Netanyahu was in Disengagement and remains there. The generals are semi agents. The conceptzia reigns supreme.
Change from the roots up is a must now..
I well remember one thing about the withdrawal from Gaza and how over a full year or more Netanyahu was ambivalent, he was hanging back. We wrote about it. Right here.
One thing he always does, in the same vein, always prepared to mark time, all those years when rockets came from Gaza and children of Sderot hardly saw sunlight. He sacrifices his people.
Now there are all these little unnoticed retreats and Fascist Hamas Arabs some members all supporters are returning.
What is needed?
First the decision made Arabs cannot live in Gaza. Nor in Judea and Samaria.
A public statement saying that.
Seen as the position of the majority of Jews in Israel.
How can that be carried out? It must be understood that THAT is secondary to the initial decision.
As regards Reader it must be understood that in our world there is not in existence a socialist party…nowhere on earth.
So that term Left is really a sophisticated lie.
But will reader expand and deepen his struggle on this or…?
I await the answer of Peloni to Reader on this.
I will await.
@peloni
I think people should stop employing the false dichotomies (Left/Right. etc.) because this is the favorite divide-and-rule technique which outside of its being used for this purpose has no merit.
This so-called “Right wing” (according to you, the most desirable just because of this label) government is the most corrupt and incompetent in the history of modern Israel which goes to show that these kind of labels are useless and divisive.
The first thing Israel must do is abolish the division of the Knesset into coalition and opposition and abolish the horse trading which takes place when PM tries to form his coalition.
@Bob_k
I would argue that this would be a mistake. Do recall that Lieberman, after helping bring down the govt in 2018, was the first and among the most ardent allies of the Left to forestall a Right wing govt from being formed for years. He still stands in the opposition today. Also, even as he claimed to oppose Bibi for his misguided position on Hamas, how did he respond after the 2021 War of Riots and Rockets? He supported the formation of the Leftist govt with Bennett which rewarded the Arabs of Israel for their role in that war with cash, land and political positions of the local chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood, rather than restoring the policy of executions against Hamas’ leadership for their coordinated assault upon Israel by air and mobs. Recall that it was this very period of time in which the planning of the Simchat Torah Massacre began. Of course, it is true that since October 7, Lieberman has changed his tune back to being more aggressive on this issue, but I would be quite wary of placing Lieberman in the control of the DM under any circumstances.
@Laura
Bibi should be channelling Begin and remind Biden what Begin stated 40 years ago,
Even in the wake of the Simchat Torah Massacre, the US is continuing to pursue its policy of Integration in the region, which should be recalled to be nothing more than US realignment towards Iran and against Israel. The US alignment with Iran poses a clear existential threat against Israel, and it is this which has the US poised to de-recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan, to support its moves to preserve Hamas in Gaza, to present its forceful imposition of the TSS upon Israel, and to maintain its tantamount buttressing of the Houthi blockade against Israel. Bibi must act in opposition to each of these US positions, and if Biden wishes to withdraw US aid, which he will be quite strained to do amid an election year, let him do so. Israel has the means of destroying Hamas with or without US smart bombs.
This may mean more casualties up front, but the war will be quickly won with fewer lives overall. Israel will also be perceived with greater respect by both its friends and its foes for doing so. It will also reassert Israel as a competent ally to the US by demonstrating its ability to act independently in the interest of both the US and Israel even against the demands of the current administration. Notably, Begin did something similar in bombing the Iraqi nuclear plant, amid condemnations from Reagan. Israel will also be seen as a more competent ally in the region for doing this, in place of its current posture of weakness and capitulation which is marked by feeding its enemies and allowing them easy resupply of arms with which to continue slaughtering the sons and daughters of Israel upon the battlefield.
Bibi has the talent and the temperament to see this matter thru, but if he is not willing to make the hard calls to “stand by our principles” as Begin described it, the task must fall to someone more willing to do so. Above all else, Israel must be defended, from friend and foe alike.
I agree with Pollard, and longterm, the American government must be purged of enemy agents.
@Laura many Israelis who supported Bibi are blaming him for the security down fall in Gaza. His popularity was never more than 30 to 40% of the population anyway but that was enough to rule in the Israeli system.
Bibi is the mouse that roared. He has no backbone and tries to placate the Israeli Left and the American Administration – whether Biden or Obama. Caroline Glick is upset with the Israeli Government but can’t break with Bibi.
Bibi hurts Israel one, because he is resolute – he caves into American pressure, examples he lets the Gaza Arabs back into Northern Gaza, he aid into Gaza which Hamas takes during a war, his Military Command
forces soldiers to do house-to-house fighting in Gaza in a war of attrition.. Two, he tale about Iran’s Nuclear Threat but all he does is leaves it to the Americans to solve. What will Israel do when Iran has multiple Nukes – call in America to save them?
Do what Pollard recommends demand Netanyahu’s resignation, let deputy Likud Minister Yariv Levin take over as PM, appoint Avigdor Lieberman Defense Minister, fire the Military Command responsible for Oct. 7 fron the Chief of Staff office and promote Patriotic field commanders of the lower echelon to the Chief of Staff office.
It is “easy” to cave into pressure and let the rank-and-file soldiers be Cannon Fodder for your political cover. Bibi just has the gift of gab and the Israel is in too dangerous a neighborhood to be run a pusillanimous PM.
I don’t quite understand why Bibi has become so unpopular. I think he’s a great leader.