I didn’t say that they were ALL “only” traders…{I used to pass that excavation at least twice a day, There were several archaeological excavations around at that time. You might mean the one at Wood Quay..at Christchurch Place}.
I’ve know about that prayer…. from about the eighth cent. I think. The Vikings weren’t all the same….there were Norse and there were Danes….. their modus operandi was as I’ve already mentioned, fortifying an easily defensible island and so on and so on…–when one was available I should have said. I have a couple of specialist books describing and explaining their system -having uncovered archaeological finds. Then there were the younger sons who had to make their own fortunes and went “a viking”…They are those you’re talking about……
They definitely settled most of the east and central England; had kingdoms for hundreds of years and it was called by the southern Saxons “The Danelaw”.
A biography of William Marshal which I have, describes Irish cities he visited or knew of, when he went there…as being established for hundreds of years by Norse and Danes….Brian Boru defeated the Norse king of Dublin named Sitric and was killed by fleeing enemies. I recall that he was supposed to be in his tent saying a “thank-you” prayer kneeling, eyes cast up to the heavens and all that schtik. …… ..
When Strongbow and his land-seeking knights and men at arms landed, they defeated the Norse king of Dublin which was the largest Viking city anywhere. I think they went on to capture Wexford and maybe Cork or Waterford…all Norse built cities… .
We can always agree to differ…….
@ Edgar G.: Primarily traders? They ravaged Northern Europe to such an extent that there was a prayer added to Christian prayerbooks at the time, “From the fury of the northmen, Lord, Save us.” They invaded England and ravaged its coasts for over three hundred years before the Normans (themselves of Norman descent) finally put a stop to the raids with their new “castle” technology. In Iceland, they fought endless wars with each other, hopelessly impoverishing their own country, until a Christian missionary finally persuaded them to stop. As for trading, a lot of their trade was in slave women whom they kidnapped and then raped in the their raids.
I saw the excavations myself in 1988 of the original Viking settlement in Dublin. The archeologists found many skeletens with cracked skulls and other mortal wounds, along with plenty of weapons. The Vikings were gangsters, and illiterate gangsters at that.
Five hundred years before the Stone Age began, excavations reveal that the people of Scandinavia had stone age technology. They didn’t even know how to make boats with sails. Egyptians, a dark-skinned “colored” people who probably had a lot of black “blood,” were building the pyramids three thousand years before the Scandinavians showed the earliest signs of civilization. And there was a sailboat found in one of the pyramids! So much for “white” genetic superiority over “colored people.”
Sorry Adam you are wrong about the Vikings. They were primarily traders and had Viking made goods to trade. They were primarily agrarian. They built huge halls made of the most readily available materials, wood; huge trees etc. When they arrived on the American continent they built wooden frameworks and covered them over with large sod, very much like the early American pioneer movements 900 years later (which they called soddys)
Sorry Adam you are wrong about the Vikings. They were primarily traders and had Viking made goods to trade. They were primarily agrarian. They built huge halls made of the most readily available materials, wood; huge trees etc. When they arrved on the American continent they built wooden frameworks and covered them over with large sod, very much like the early American pioneer movements 900 years later (which they called soddys)
They were discovered n md 20th cent…………
@ Edgar G.:
I see that two posts became entwined in one. The last reference is for MICHAEL.and refers to “your take” applied to Jews not being a race, of course.
@ Edgar G.:
I see that two posts became entwined in one. The last reference to “your take” applied to Jews being a race of course.
It’s only your opinion that the European politicians are “unaware” and also that they are “destroying” …They obviously see through different spectacles horn-rimmed perhaps.@ Michael S:
I’m happy that it is only “your take”, because I’ve been reading the reports of geneticists who say the Jews are a “race”, as I detailed earlier….
I am positively NO expert on Vikings, and rarely-if ever- think about them but….
Originally we are told they would find a suitable,easily defensible island at the mouth of a river, or off the nearby coast, and put up shop. Then spread out from there….. Smart…!!
According to history the Vikings were primarily traders and had great respect for their women. As their population grew it became the custom for the younger men to go “a-viking” (roving)…… to make their own way and fortune in life.
Being strong, foreign, and well armed they always caused panic along the various shores where they appeared. The round towers along the Irish coast attest to that. They were built to watch for the raiders. I don’t know whether they were first raiders, and later in history appearing as traders but there are definite accounts of both. They settled in Ireland and the major coastal cities were established by the Danes, like Dublin, Waterford Wexford and etc. They formed kingdoms. and as we all know were massively defeated by Brian Boru at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. just as they were also vanquished by Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire n 1066.
{Originally we are told, they would find a suitable, easily defended island at the mouth of a river or off a coast, and put up shop. Then spread out from there…..Smart….!!
Before this, for hundreds of years there were Viking kingdoms holding most of northern and Eastern England and much of the centre. t was called-as we learnt in school- the Danelaw.
So they were also settlers, builders of cities and lasting kingdoms.
It’s been said that every large rancher in America got his start by branding “dogies” and rustling a few head here and there. So the Vikings may equally got theirs by trading, raiding and settling. As mentioned previously, amongst other cities, they founded Kiev about 1400 year ago and the kingdom there eventually spread until it encompassed what later became Russia..
They reached and populated Iceland, and from there to the North American coast where the remains of their settlements have been found. Also according to the Sagas which mention “Vinland” often, as being profuse in grapes, thus giving it the name, they must have penetrated much further south to a warmer climate. For about 3-400 years they were exporting primarily lumber, also furs and some produce from Nth America……. and then vanished.
So they were more than what you believe.
This article stirs interest among the regular commentators I observe. It is a controversial topic yes.
Ted, what is the relevance to Israel, Israeli-Arab conflict or Jews?
@ Michael S:
I don’t wish to describe the races nor to identify Jews as a race. My point is different groups, however defined, have different IQ’s and in any vetting process where brains matter, this should be taken into account. e.g. all would be immigrants should undergo IQ tests. If the US wants to allow in only people who have a chance to support themselves, should this not one of the criteria. If the odds are greater that certain cultures will fit in, then its followers should be preferred over those from hostile cultures.
The charge of racism is intended to intimidate countries from making such distinctions. Afteral, all cultures are equal, don’t you know.
I guess Ted has gotten the “lively discussion” he was hoping for, even though it seems to have been dominated by Adam Dalgliesh. Having said that, it’s virtually impossible to talk about race without sounding like something out of Stormfront.
You are correct, that many contradictory things have been said about a presumed “Jewish race”. Here is my take on it:
1. There have been enough studies, to ascertain that the bulk of “Jewish” people are more connected with each other and with Middle Easterners in general, to support the notion that they share common ancestors from that region.
2. The prevalence of the Cohen Modal Haplotype among Jews (especially Cohens) supports the notion that the Cohanim descend largely from a common ancestor.
3. Having said that, this does not establish that the Jews are a separate “race”. Yes, they are largely related to one another; but they are also extremely closely connected to non-Jewish “races” such as the Syrians, Turks and Kurds.
4. So much for genetic studies. Chabad is correct: the Jews are not a race, because they accept as fully Jewish, people who clearly are racially different: such as the Falashas, the Bnei Menashe, etc. Even Sephardic Jews have claimed “racist” mistreatment by Ashkenazis.
5. The US government has become extremely racist, since the passing of the Civil Rights Act, demanding that employers, etc. give special treatment to “races”. Those races are clearly defined, and listed in several censuses; and in this classification, Jews are considered “Whites” for the most part (Sammy Davis Jr. being an exception).
@ adamdalgliesh:
Are you making an argument for Political Correctness?
I agree that we must be smart on how we frame things. e.g. Trump is taking about an immigration system based on merit. and so he should.
But at the same time it is imperative that he knows the truth about Moslems for example.
The Vikings-I presume your post is about them…..DID read and write but not much. They used Runes which have been discovered dating back to about the beginning of the Common Era.
If your remark is directed at the Southern slaves ….they could read and write once they were taught …like everybody else. I have at least 3 books written by former field slaves, the least likely to be taught writing..and one describes how their Jewish owners,-2 brothers- would hold classes for them, also have them taught trades, so that they could hire out locally, earn their own money, and legally buy themselves out of slavery……. then help them to go north.
As I said common sense and intelligence do not necessarily walk hand in hand. The black community were freed, and already some could already read and write, having been taught by benevolent owners of course. That their leaders are smart is no surprise, and you may have noticed that Ted pointed out at the beginning, that there were exceptions to every rule. Out of millions of average blacks there has to be some hundreds of thousands with above intelligence.,Also PC helped a lot I mean a LOT. Not to mention the freeing of the slaves and awarding equal Civil Rights , no matter how long it took to become realty.
BUT ..the figures quoted if true, and it seems they definitely are, having being confirmed with many different studies over time. tell the TRUE story.
As far as Jewish stupidity is concerned…..well I won’t go into that….I have many times commented VERY unfavourably on this all too common phenomenon amongst our leaders. Perhaps it’s a disease which goes to the brain of Jewish leaders…
@ Ted Belman: Closer to home, Ted, ’empirical data” shows it does not advance one’s political objectives to provoke and alienate a powerful interest group when there is no need to do so, or to embrace an unpopular political cause that is not particularly advantageous to one’s own people, when there is no need to do so. Blacks and the entire political establishment in the United States, including most white politicians, support equality for blacks and oppose insulting them; Mr. Taylor’s and Mr. Mark’s views have little support, and certainly they are anathma to the entire American political establishment of both parties. Worse still, most of the people who share these views are also antisemitic, even though Mr. Taylor, personally, is not. How much political intelligence, or common sense, does it show for a Jew to support them?
Common sense, or “street smarts,” is far more important in politics than “book smarts,” which are measured by IQ tests. Has Israpundit been demonstrating street smarts in recent months? I will leave you to ponder this question.
You say there s no clear Jewish race…a judge will agree with you; in fact it has been judicially decided that the Jews are NOT a race. But a geneticist will disagree…because they have found that genetics show that at least 75% of ALL Jews originated in the Middle East, which proves to THEM that Jews are a race…. That’s their rationale. So ………??
Of course you will find even Jewish groups who agree with you, for instance Chabad say that there’s no clear race ANYWHERE…..??? Of course their schtik is religious not scientific…so how would they be so sure….??
@ Edgar G.: True, Edgar–but they still hadn’t learned to read and write, an important test of civilization. The Ethipians could read and write, and did have books during the “Viking” era. The Vikings built no buildings that are still standing during this period; the Ethiopians did. And the Vikings were only able to support themselves fby stealing from other people, and kidnapping and raping their women, whom they sold as slaves. They did not know how to support themselves by useful arts and crafts, honest business dealings, or agriculture. In fact, they left their native countries on raiding expeditions because they did not know how to support themselves honestly. st Only between roughly 900-1100 C.E. did they begin to learn how to support themselves and their families non-violently.
@ Ted Belman: Ted, read my replies to Edgar here, which are also replies to this comment of yours.
The ’empirical data” indicates that black leaders have shown a lot more common sense in ploitics than Jewish ones. And common sense, not how one scores on tests, determines whether a people lives or dies, thrives or declines. Black American leaders have demonstrated a ot of common sense over the past 150 years. Our leaders have not.
Well before the year 1000 and for hundreds of years before, (Vikings were terrorising the coasts of Ireland and England in the 6th century, Captured colonised and settled Normandy, and captured and looted Paris in the 800s, etc.
It is a FACT that long before the year 1000, the Scandinavians were already building longboats capable of carrying 100 or more men and provisions across the Atlantic, and were almost unsinkable, except in the very worst weather. Their methods are studied today, and cannot be surpassed or even equaled without serious study.They'd already had their homeland organised kingdoms for close to that same period and were roaming, trading and fighting all around the then settled world. These required a high degree of planning, skill and civllisation…They had conquered and settled Sicily, installing a kingdom, They were navigating the long rivers, all across the impenetrable wastelands of the then Europe, trans-shipping when reaching the source of a river, log-rolling their boats across to the source of another river. They had established a Kingdom at Kiev by the mid 800s.
Degrees of Civilisation of course are comparative and depend to a degree on the exposures and needs of a People.
Off the subject///{{The Baltic States were not Christianised (in that time leaving Paganism, meant civilsation) until the mid 1400s and then only by force of Arms …The Teutonic Knights I think -could be wrong.,}}
@ Edgar G.:Good point, Edgar. I am not a scientific researcher, but I am an avid student politics and history. And I know from my studies of recent and ancient history that common sense is much, much more important in politics than Eienstein’s.
We Jews score high on intelligence tests. But our practical, common-sense intelligence in the political world, while difficult to quantify, is very low. Jews have a way of sympathizing with their enemies, unnecessarily alienating their friends, and stubbornly refusing to do the things that would enhance our power rather than making us vulnerable to attack. To my mind, people who are so lacking in elementary common sense are stupid, no matter how high they score on tests.
Black Americans, on the other hand, have demonstrated a lot of common sense in politics, or at least their leaders have. They have risen from complete powerlessness as slaves, to the considerable power they now hold. There are a lot of black mayors, police chiefs, judges and prosecutors today. The number of their Congressmen has steadily increased, as has the number o blackf state governors. They have succeeded in electing a president (we Jews haven’t done that). And they have succeeded in accomplishing this rise to positions of power despite intense and at times violent resistance from white people.
While the number of black people , both in the United States and worldwide, has steadily increased over the past hundred years, the number of Jews has steadily decrease, due to outright genocide, pogroms, massive assimilation, and a shockingly low birth rate. Black people have not suffered any of these catastrophes. Black people worldwide, as a group, are far more powerful than they were a hundred years ago. I don’t think we can honstly say this about ourselves. They threw off white colonial rule; we allowed ourselves to be led like sheep to the gas chambers. Their leaders encouraged their people to rebel against white rule; many of our leaders advised our people to board the death trains, and even got on them themselves.
How much political sechel does it show Jews, today, to alienate a very powerful interest group in the United States? People who do that may score highly on intelligence tests; but to my mind they are super-dumb, completely lacking in common sense.
The original talk showed white couples who had adopted black babies, and that their grown up IQs differed little from those not so privileged. Besides, before and during the American Civil War black diet was rich in agricultural products, of all kinds, and far superior to that of the poor in the North…..
@ Michael S: Not that obvious. If we exempt some small groups such as th epygmies from our analysis, there is no evidence that the average hight or weight of any race. is genetically predetermined to be greater than that of any other race. For example, it was long thought that Asians were genetically shorter than Europeans. But studies have shown that people of East Asian descent are on average just as tall as those of European descent when both east protein rich Western diets.
Recent studies have shown that South Koreans are on average almost a foot taller than North Koreans. Racial differences between the two groups? Absolutely not. But South Koreans are well fed , while North Koreans are starved for food by their incompetent, vicious government.
By the way-diet can also impact intelligenc-especially diet in early childhood.. Studies have shown that on average white Americans have healthier diets, with less vitamin deficiencies than black Americans. Someone should test blacks and whites who have had equally enriched diets since early childhood to see if there are any statistically significant differences in intelligence between these two groups. That’s just common sense.l
@ adamdalgliesh:
You can split hairs all you like but the basic question is, are these statistics predictive of behavior. Empirical evidence suggests they are.
However, the real reason I don’t believe that whites are especially intelligent is based on Ctherecent behavior of white, including Jewish, politicians. Is it really possible for anyone who follows Giulio Meotti’s columns regularly to believe that Europe’s politicians, who are overwhelmingly white, are intelligent? They seem totally unaware that they are destroying their own countries. How intelligent can they be? For that matter, anyone who follows contemporary American politics cannot help but notice how incredibly stupid the politicians in both parties are. And most of these politicians are white.
Mr. Taylor classifies Ethiopia as one of the “Inferior” nations, and Sweden as one of the racially “superior” ones. The problem is that Ethiopians were already civilized by the beginning of the common era in app. 1 C.E., while Scandinavians during the same period were extremely primitive and, had almost no technology, Scandanavians cannot be said to have become civilized until c. 1000 C.E., a more than a thousand years later than the Ethiopians.
The Scandanavians went through a “transitional” period when they developed sufficient technology to rape, murder, kidnap and plunder other people all across the North Sea region. But they didn’t learn to read and write, or develop organized kingdoms, until the 10th and 11th centuries C.E.
Antiquity[edit]
Main articles: D?mt and Kingdom of Aksum
Obelisk of Aksum
Around the 8th century BC, a kingdom known as D?mt was established in northern Ethiopia and Eritrea. The polity’s capital was located at Yeha, in northern Ethiopia. Most modern historians consider this civilization to be a native Ethiopian one, although Sabaean-influenced because of the latter’s hegemony of the Red Sea.[15]
Other scholars regard D?mt as the result of a union of Afroasiatic-speaking cultures of the Cushitic and Semitic branches; namely, local Agaw peoples and Sabaeans from South Arabia. However, Ge’ez, the ancient Semitic language of Ethiopia, is thought to have developed independently from Sabaean, one of the South Semitic languages. As early as 2000 BC, other Semitic speakers were living in Ethiopia and Eritrea where Ge’ez developed.[45][46] Sabaean influence is now thought to have been minor, limited to a few localities, and disappearing after a few decades or a century. It may have been a trading or military colony in alliance with the Ethiopian civilization of D?mt or some other proto-Aksumite state.[15]
Aksumite currency of the Aksumite king Endubis, 227–35, at the British Museum. The inscriptions in Ancient Greek read “??????? ????????” (“KING OF AXUM”) and “??????? ????????” (“KING ENDUBIS”), the Greek language was the lingua franca by that time so the Axumite kings used it in coins to simplify foreign trade.
After the fall of D?mt during the fourth century BC, the Ethiopian plateau came to be dominated by smaller successor kingdoms. In the first century AD, the Kingdom of Aksum emerged in what is now northern Ethiopia and Eritrea. According to the medieval Book of Aksum, the kingdom’s first capital, Mazaber, was built by Itiyopis, son of Cush.[33] Aksum would later at times extend its rule into Yemen on the other side of the Red Sea.[47] The Persian religious figure Mani listed Aksum with Rome, Persia, and China as one of the four great powers of his era, during the 3rd century.[48]
Around 316 AD, Frumentius and his brother Edesius from Tyre accompanied their uncle on a voyage to Ethiopia. When the vessel stopped at a Red Sea port, the natives killed all the travelers except the two brothers, who were taken to the court as slaves. They were given positions of trust by the monarch, and they converted members of the royal court to Christianity. Frumentius became the first bishop of Aksum.[49] A coin dated to 324 shows that Ethiopia was the second country to officially adopt Christianity (after Armenia did so in 301), although the religion may have been at first confined to court circles; it was the first major power to do so.
As the Aksumite kingdom gradually declined, one of the earliest local Muslim states, the Makhzumi Sultanate, was established in the Shewa region. The polity was governed by the Makhzumi dynasty, which reigned over the province until it was deposed around 1280 by the Walashma dynasty.[50]
About the Vikings, etc.: I have no doubt that the various Scandanavian peoples, as a whole, have physical and historical differences from other Whites. In the broad scheme of things, however, they are minor differences — similar, for instance, to the difference between the Chinese and Japanese, or the Pygmies and the Tutsis.
shows a DNA categorization that is reflected in outward characteristics, long considered as “races”. For distinctions at other levels, you might look at
A more general division, at the K=2 level, shows two main racial groups: 1. Sub-Saharan Africans and 2. everyone else. The Arabs and Berbers are shown to be intermediate between these two groups. This accords well with the “Out of Africa” theory that shows homo sapiens originating in eastern Africa.
The samplings I have cited did not include Russians, though you have correctly mentioned that they are closely connected to other East Europeans and to Scandanavians, with a Siberian element as well. European genetic origins are impressively discussed at:
Mr. Taylor correctly points out that intelligence is merely one of many physical characteristics. I will note that the same genetic predispositon that makes one person tall and another short, one person dark and another light, also makes one person dull and another brilliant. That ought to be obvious. I also agree with him that since IQ scores are so obviously split along racial lines, intelligence is inherited genetically. If that isn’t politically correct, then, as the English say, “that’s hard lines”.
@ Edgar G.:
Thanks, Edgar. I do try not to be chary.
Adam,
Instead of knee-jerk ad hominem attacks, you might try to refute Jared Taylor on the merits of what he is saying in the OP. Calling people “racists” and “neo-Nazis” iis really getting passé. I’ve had my fill of it.
@ adamdalgliesh:
Frankly, Adam, you don’t impress me here as someone wanting “stimulating ideas”. You’re trying to censor Ted.
Adam –He’s already told you above why he does it. And your last sentence, “a stimulating place to exchange ideas, and meet interesting and well informed people”…etc. and so on…….shows exactly what Ted both said and meant. Also, the subject is connected to the Jewish people -amongst others.
That’s exactly what it does…including the posts already entered above. Michael has done interesting digging, and is not chary about re-posting superseding info.
Mchael- I didn’t see the Slavs mentioned. But I see the Russians. The Russians are a mixture of Eastern Slavs, Finns, Mongols and Scandinavians generally.. (Then there would have been some Turkic in there somewhere. They seemed to have been everywhere)..The Vikings, known as the Rus when they came down the Dneiper River to trade and then settle along the route. The Kievan Rus were originally settled Vikings and the first “King” of Kiev was Oleg…His dynasty ruled for many years.
Off the subject, as I often am…{{Those Vikings who were later called Varangians became the personal bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperors in Constantinople. The most known of them, was the 7″ tall Harald Hardrada who was later called back to rule over Norway and the area. He was killed at the famous Battle of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire in 1066, in his unsuccessful attempt to take the British Crown from Harold Godwinson. However he was directly the cause of Harold being defeated at the Battle of Hastings by William of Normandy.. Harold rushed to Stamford Bridge 200 miles from London in a week, straight into all-day battle. Then hearing that the Normans had landed, marched back to Hastings, 270 miles south, with his depleted tired, army, an all night march and 12 hour battle…. in which he was killed. }}
Ted, I just don’t get it why you are doing this to yourself and to Israpundit. You keeps publishing and endorsing articles and broadcasts that advocate white supremacy, male supremacy, racial theories associated with the Nazis armed insurrection, civil war, and the destruction of the United States as a united, sovereign country, and opposition to democratic government. These are views identical to those of the guy who committed the Pittsburgh synogogue massacre, and Timothy MacVeigh,You have even published overtly antisemitic articles and broadcasts by people like Alex Jones. How do you hope to exert any influence on American or Israeli opinion this way. I am reminded of “The Producers,” where Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder produce “Sprintime for Hitler” in the hope of its laying an egg. Only unlike Mel Brooks who wrote “The Producers,” you seem to be serious. How many Jewish people in either Israel and the United States, or for that matter even white Christian males in the United States, are comfortable with this kind of “narrative?” Do you really want to isolate yourself from everyone except a tiny minority that despise you in any case because of your “race?”
As someone who has found Israpundit a stimulating place to exchange ideas and meet interesting, well-informed people, and a source of valuable information about Israel and the Jewish condition, I am deeply saddened and dismayed by this self-destructive, incomprehensible behavior.
The founding myth of the USA, that “all men are created equal” is… well, certainly a myth. However, as the official public national assumption, it is at least useful to preserve some degree of order and cohesion within the diverse American society. With respect to immigration however, I agree with applying some “human quality control” for considering admission of foreigners.
@ Ted Belman:
I have found a better link than the one I gave above. It is at
and includes both a list of countries and a map, along with their IQ scores. No doubt, the two maps from the two links derived their data from different sources or times. If you average together the two, however, you end up with a pretty tight correlation between race and IQ. Jared Taylor, then, is correct.
Yes — I said that Jared Taylor, whom Wikipedia brands as a “White Supremacist”, made correct conclusions concerning the relationship between race and IQ. If one were to correlate the IQ data with the races I gave in my first post, the order of intelligence would be:
East Asians & Whites > Oceanic, S. Asian and Amerind > Sub-Saharan African
@ Ted Belman:
Hi, Ted. I considered that “opening up a Pandora’s box” would be construed by some here as “fun”.
For my part, I heard the tape through. I wanted to find a better map showing the geographical distribution of iQ scores, and came up with this:
The map does not follow racial lines well, but closely follows per capita GDP (individual wealth). That is definitely an environmentally-based pattern, not genetically. It doesn’t refute the speaker’s thesis, since he claims to cite data showing differences between races in similar social environments. On the other hand, it causes me to take his conclusions with a grain of salt.
No I didn’t. The debate on the relationship between race and IQ is always heated and greatly effected by PC. In opening up this pandora’s box I wanted to generate a free debate without intimidation.
I believe that different races have different IQs. It doesn’t bother me as to how come. or how are races defined, pure or otherwise. The fact remains that there are differences in IQ’s though there are exceptions to every rule.
Trump wants to put Americans first which means he wants to do what is good for the American people. It stands to reason that he would want to admit immigrants who probably will support themselves and won’t be a burden on society. Would it be fair to have an IQ test for admission? Is there a better indicator?
Secondly should be vet people based on their willingness to integrate or embrace American (Judean- Christian) values.
If one thinks it is wrong to have such tests, let them make their case.
Ted, did you publish the OP just for fun? Before I bother reading it, let me comment on just the title of the article and the title of the video, respectively:
These are groups in which “genotype” (DNA classification) and “phenotype” (physical characteristics) roughly correspond. You can see that Jews, Arabs and Europeans are all in the same group.
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@ adamdalgliesh:
I didn’t say that they were ALL “only” traders…{I used to pass that excavation at least twice a day, There were several archaeological excavations around at that time. You might mean the one at Wood Quay..at Christchurch Place}.
I’ve know about that prayer…. from about the eighth cent. I think. The Vikings weren’t all the same….there were Norse and there were Danes….. their modus operandi was as I’ve already mentioned, fortifying an easily defensible island and so on and so on…–when one was available I should have said. I have a couple of specialist books describing and explaining their system -having uncovered archaeological finds. Then there were the younger sons who had to make their own fortunes and went “a viking”…They are those you’re talking about……
They definitely settled most of the east and central England; had kingdoms for hundreds of years and it was called by the southern Saxons “The Danelaw”.
A biography of William Marshal which I have, describes Irish cities he visited or knew of, when he went there…as being established for hundreds of years by Norse and Danes….Brian Boru defeated the Norse king of Dublin named Sitric and was killed by fleeing enemies. I recall that he was supposed to be in his tent saying a “thank-you” prayer kneeling, eyes cast up to the heavens and all that schtik. …… ..
When Strongbow and his land-seeking knights and men at arms landed, they defeated the Norse king of Dublin which was the largest Viking city anywhere. I think they went on to capture Wexford and maybe Cork or Waterford…all Norse built cities… .
We can always agree to differ…….
@ Edgar G.: Primarily traders? They ravaged Northern Europe to such an extent that there was a prayer added to Christian prayerbooks at the time, “From the fury of the northmen, Lord, Save us.” They invaded England and ravaged its coasts for over three hundred years before the Normans (themselves of Norman descent) finally put a stop to the raids with their new “castle” technology. In Iceland, they fought endless wars with each other, hopelessly impoverishing their own country, until a Christian missionary finally persuaded them to stop. As for trading, a lot of their trade was in slave women whom they kidnapped and then raped in the their raids.
I saw the excavations myself in 1988 of the original Viking settlement in Dublin. The archeologists found many skeletens with cracked skulls and other mortal wounds, along with plenty of weapons. The Vikings were gangsters, and illiterate gangsters at that.
Five hundred years before the Stone Age began, excavations reveal that the people of Scandinavia had stone age technology. They didn’t even know how to make boats with sails. Egyptians, a dark-skinned “colored” people who probably had a lot of black “blood,” were building the pyramids three thousand years before the Scandinavians showed the earliest signs of civilization. And there was a sailboat found in one of the pyramids! So much for “white” genetic superiority over “colored people.”
@ adamdalgliesh:
Sorry Adam you are wrong about the Vikings. They were primarily traders and had Viking made goods to trade. They were primarily agrarian. They built huge halls made of the most readily available materials, wood; huge trees etc. When they arrived on the American continent they built wooden frameworks and covered them over with large sod, very much like the early American pioneer movements 900 years later (which they called soddys)
They were discovered in the mid 20th cent…………
@ adamdalgliesh:
Sorry Adam you are wrong about the Vikings. They were primarily traders and had Viking made goods to trade. They were primarily agrarian. They built huge halls made of the most readily available materials, wood; huge trees etc. When they arrved on the American continent they built wooden frameworks and covered them over with large sod, very much like the early American pioneer movements 900 years later (which they called soddys)
They were discovered n md 20th cent…………
@ Edgar G.:
I see that two posts became entwined in one. The last reference is for MICHAEL.and refers to “your take” applied to Jews not being a race, of course.
@ Edgar G.:
I see that two posts became entwined in one. The last reference to “your take” applied to Jews being a race of course.
@ adamdalgliesh:
It’s only your opinion that the European politicians are “unaware” and also that they are “destroying” …They obviously see through different spectacles horn-rimmed perhaps.@ Michael S:
I’m happy that it is only “your take”, because I’ve been reading the reports of geneticists who say the Jews are a “race”, as I detailed earlier….
@ adamdalgliesh:
I am positively NO expert on Vikings, and rarely-if ever- think about them but….
Originally we are told they would find a suitable,easily defensible island at the mouth of a river, or off the nearby coast, and put up shop. Then spread out from there….. Smart…!!
According to history the Vikings were primarily traders and had great respect for their women. As their population grew it became the custom for the younger men to go “a-viking” (roving)…… to make their own way and fortune in life.
Being strong, foreign, and well armed they always caused panic along the various shores where they appeared. The round towers along the Irish coast attest to that. They were built to watch for the raiders. I don’t know whether they were first raiders, and later in history appearing as traders but there are definite accounts of both. They settled in Ireland and the major coastal cities were established by the Danes, like Dublin, Waterford Wexford and etc. They formed kingdoms. and as we all know were massively defeated by Brian Boru at the Battle of Clontarf in 1014. just as they were also vanquished by Harold Godwinson at the Battle of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire n 1066.
{Originally we are told, they would find a suitable, easily defended island at the mouth of a river or off a coast, and put up shop. Then spread out from there…..Smart….!!
Before this, for hundreds of years there were Viking kingdoms holding most of northern and Eastern England and much of the centre. t was called-as we learnt in school- the Danelaw.
So they were also settlers, builders of cities and lasting kingdoms.
It’s been said that every large rancher in America got his start by branding “dogies” and rustling a few head here and there. So the Vikings may equally got theirs by trading, raiding and settling. As mentioned previously, amongst other cities, they founded Kiev about 1400 year ago and the kingdom there eventually spread until it encompassed what later became Russia..
They reached and populated Iceland, and from there to the North American coast where the remains of their settlements have been found. Also according to the Sagas which mention “Vinland” often, as being profuse in grapes, thus giving it the name, they must have penetrated much further south to a warmer climate. For about 3-400 years they were exporting primarily lumber, also furs and some produce from Nth America……. and then vanished.
So they were more than what you believe.
This article stirs interest among the regular commentators I observe. It is a controversial topic yes.
Ted, what is the relevance to Israel, Israeli-Arab conflict or Jews?
@ Michael S:
I don’t wish to describe the races nor to identify Jews as a race. My point is different groups, however defined, have different IQ’s and in any vetting process where brains matter, this should be taken into account. e.g. all would be immigrants should undergo IQ tests. If the US wants to allow in only people who have a chance to support themselves, should this not one of the criteria. If the odds are greater that certain cultures will fit in, then its followers should be preferred over those from hostile cultures.
The charge of racism is intended to intimidate countries from making such distinctions. Afteral, all cultures are equal, don’t you know.
@ Edgar G.:
Hello, Edgar.
I guess Ted has gotten the “lively discussion” he was hoping for, even though it seems to have been dominated by Adam Dalgliesh. Having said that, it’s virtually impossible to talk about race without sounding like something out of Stormfront.
You are correct, that many contradictory things have been said about a presumed “Jewish race”. Here is my take on it:
1. There have been enough studies, to ascertain that the bulk of “Jewish” people are more connected with each other and with Middle Easterners in general, to support the notion that they share common ancestors from that region.
2. The prevalence of the Cohen Modal Haplotype among Jews (especially Cohens) supports the notion that the Cohanim descend largely from a common ancestor.
3. Having said that, this does not establish that the Jews are a separate “race”. Yes, they are largely related to one another; but they are also extremely closely connected to non-Jewish “races” such as the Syrians, Turks and Kurds.
4. So much for genetic studies. Chabad is correct: the Jews are not a race, because they accept as fully Jewish, people who clearly are racially different: such as the Falashas, the Bnei Menashe, etc. Even Sephardic Jews have claimed “racist” mistreatment by Ashkenazis.
5. The US government has become extremely racist, since the passing of the Civil Rights Act, demanding that employers, etc. give special treatment to “races”. Those races are clearly defined, and listed in several censuses; and in this classification, Jews are considered “Whites” for the most part (Sammy Davis Jr. being an exception).
@ adamdalgliesh:
Are you making an argument for Political Correctness?
I agree that we must be smart on how we frame things. e.g. Trump is taking about an immigration system based on merit. and so he should.
But at the same time it is imperative that he knows the truth about Moslems for example.
@ adamdalgliesh:
The Vikings-I presume your post is about them…..DID read and write but not much. They used Runes which have been discovered dating back to about the beginning of the Common Era.
If your remark is directed at the Southern slaves ….they could read and write once they were taught …like everybody else. I have at least 3 books written by former field slaves, the least likely to be taught writing..and one describes how their Jewish owners,-2 brothers- would hold classes for them, also have them taught trades, so that they could hire out locally, earn their own money, and legally buy themselves out of slavery……. then help them to go north.
@ adamdalgliesh:
As I said common sense and intelligence do not necessarily walk hand in hand. The black community were freed, and already some could already read and write, having been taught by benevolent owners of course. That their leaders are smart is no surprise, and you may have noticed that Ted pointed out at the beginning, that there were exceptions to every rule. Out of millions of average blacks there has to be some hundreds of thousands with above intelligence.,Also PC helped a lot I mean a LOT. Not to mention the freeing of the slaves and awarding equal Civil Rights , no matter how long it took to become realty.
BUT ..the figures quoted if true, and it seems they definitely are, having being confirmed with many different studies over time. tell the TRUE story.
As far as Jewish stupidity is concerned…..well I won’t go into that….I have many times commented VERY unfavourably on this all too common phenomenon amongst our leaders. Perhaps it’s a disease which goes to the brain of Jewish leaders…
@ Ted Belman: Closer to home, Ted, ’empirical data” shows it does not advance one’s political objectives to provoke and alienate a powerful interest group when there is no need to do so, or to embrace an unpopular political cause that is not particularly advantageous to one’s own people, when there is no need to do so. Blacks and the entire political establishment in the United States, including most white politicians, support equality for blacks and oppose insulting them; Mr. Taylor’s and Mr. Mark’s views have little support, and certainly they are anathma to the entire American political establishment of both parties. Worse still, most of the people who share these views are also antisemitic, even though Mr. Taylor, personally, is not. How much political intelligence, or common sense, does it show for a Jew to support them?
Common sense, or “street smarts,” is far more important in politics than “book smarts,” which are measured by IQ tests. Has Israpundit been demonstrating street smarts in recent months? I will leave you to ponder this question.
@ Michael S:
You say there s no clear Jewish race…a judge will agree with you; in fact it has been judicially decided that the Jews are NOT a race. But a geneticist will disagree…because they have found that genetics show that at least 75% of ALL Jews originated in the Middle East, which proves to THEM that Jews are a race…. That’s their rationale. So ………??
Of course you will find even Jewish groups who agree with you, for instance Chabad say that there’s no clear race ANYWHERE…..??? Of course their schtik is religious not scientific…so how would they be so sure….??
@ Edgar G.: True, Edgar–but they still hadn’t learned to read and write, an important test of civilization. The Ethipians could read and write, and did have books during the “Viking” era. The Vikings built no buildings that are still standing during this period; the Ethiopians did. And the Vikings were only able to support themselves fby stealing from other people, and kidnapping and raping their women, whom they sold as slaves. They did not know how to support themselves by useful arts and crafts, honest business dealings, or agriculture. In fact, they left their native countries on raiding expeditions because they did not know how to support themselves honestly. st Only between roughly 900-1100 C.E. did they begin to learn how to support themselves and their families non-violently.
@ Ted Belman: Ted, read my replies to Edgar here, which are also replies to this comment of yours.
The ’empirical data” indicates that black leaders have shown a lot more common sense in ploitics than Jewish ones. And common sense, not how one scores on tests, determines whether a people lives or dies, thrives or declines. Black American leaders have demonstrated a ot of common sense over the past 150 years. Our leaders have not.
@ adamdalgliesh<
Well before the year 1000 and for hundreds of years before, (Vikings were terrorising the coasts of Ireland and England in the 6th century, Captured colonised and settled Normandy, and captured and looted Paris in the 800s, etc.
It is a FACT that long before the year 1000, the Scandinavians were already building longboats capable of carrying 100 or more men and provisions across the Atlantic, and were almost unsinkable, except in the very worst weather. Their methods are studied today, and cannot be surpassed or even equaled without serious study.They'd already had their homeland organised kingdoms for close to that same period and were roaming, trading and fighting all around the then settled world. These required a high degree of planning, skill and civllisation…They had conquered and settled Sicily, installing a kingdom, They were navigating the long rivers, all across the impenetrable wastelands of the then Europe, trans-shipping when reaching the source of a river, log-rolling their boats across to the source of another river. They had established a Kingdom at Kiev by the mid 800s.
Degrees of Civilisation of course are comparative and depend to a degree on the exposures and needs of a People.
Off the subject///{{The Baltic States were not Christianised (in that time leaving Paganism, meant civilsation) until the mid 1400s and then only by force of Arms …The Teutonic Knights I think -could be wrong.,}}
@ Edgar G.:Good point, Edgar. I am not a scientific researcher, but I am an avid student politics and history. And I know from my studies of recent and ancient history that common sense is much, much more important in politics than Eienstein’s.
We Jews score high on intelligence tests. But our practical, common-sense intelligence in the political world, while difficult to quantify, is very low. Jews have a way of sympathizing with their enemies, unnecessarily alienating their friends, and stubbornly refusing to do the things that would enhance our power rather than making us vulnerable to attack. To my mind, people who are so lacking in elementary common sense are stupid, no matter how high they score on tests.
Black Americans, on the other hand, have demonstrated a lot of common sense in politics, or at least their leaders have. They have risen from complete powerlessness as slaves, to the considerable power they now hold. There are a lot of black mayors, police chiefs, judges and prosecutors today. The number of their Congressmen has steadily increased, as has the number o blackf state governors. They have succeeded in electing a president (we Jews haven’t done that). And they have succeeded in accomplishing this rise to positions of power despite intense and at times violent resistance from white people.
While the number of black people , both in the United States and worldwide, has steadily increased over the past hundred years, the number of Jews has steadily decrease, due to outright genocide, pogroms, massive assimilation, and a shockingly low birth rate. Black people have not suffered any of these catastrophes. Black people worldwide, as a group, are far more powerful than they were a hundred years ago. I don’t think we can honstly say this about ourselves. They threw off white colonial rule; we allowed ourselves to be led like sheep to the gas chambers. Their leaders encouraged their people to rebel against white rule; many of our leaders advised our people to board the death trains, and even got on them themselves.
How much political sechel does it show Jews, today, to alienate a very powerful interest group in the United States? People who do that may score highly on intelligence tests; but to my mind they are super-dumb, completely lacking in common sense.
What do you think about this, Edgar?
@ adamdalgliesh:
You forget that there is often little correlation between intelligence and common-sense. This is one of the more egregious examples.
@ adamdalgliesh:
The original talk showed white couples who had adopted black babies, and that their grown up IQs differed little from those not so privileged. Besides, before and during the American Civil War black diet was rich in agricultural products, of all kinds, and far superior to that of the poor in the North…..
@ Michael S: Not that obvious. If we exempt some small groups such as th epygmies from our analysis, there is no evidence that the average hight or weight of any race. is genetically predetermined to be greater than that of any other race. For example, it was long thought that Asians were genetically shorter than Europeans. But studies have shown that people of East Asian descent are on average just as tall as those of European descent when both east protein rich Western diets.
Recent studies have shown that South Koreans are on average almost a foot taller than North Koreans. Racial differences between the two groups? Absolutely not. But South Koreans are well fed , while North Koreans are starved for food by their incompetent, vicious government.
By the way-diet can also impact intelligenc-especially diet in early childhood.. Studies have shown that on average white Americans have healthier diets, with less vitamin deficiencies than black Americans. Someone should test blacks and whites who have had equally enriched diets since early childhood to see if there are any statistically significant differences in intelligence between these two groups. That’s just common sense.l
@ adamdalgliesh:
You can split hairs all you like but the basic question is, are these statistics predictive of behavior. Empirical evidence suggests they are.
However, the real reason I don’t believe that whites are especially intelligent is based on Ctherecent behavior of white, including Jewish, politicians. Is it really possible for anyone who follows Giulio Meotti’s columns regularly to believe that Europe’s politicians, who are overwhelmingly white, are intelligent? They seem totally unaware that they are destroying their own countries. How intelligent can they be? For that matter, anyone who follows contemporary American politics cannot help but notice how incredibly stupid the politicians in both parties are. And most of these politicians are white.
Mr. Taylor classifies Ethiopia as one of the “Inferior” nations, and Sweden as one of the racially “superior” ones. The problem is that Ethiopians were already civilized by the beginning of the common era in app. 1 C.E., while Scandinavians during the same period were extremely primitive and, had almost no technology, Scandanavians cannot be said to have become civilized until c. 1000 C.E., a more than a thousand years later than the Ethiopians.
The Scandanavians went through a “transitional” period when they developed sufficient technology to rape, murder, kidnap and plunder other people all across the North Sea region. But they didn’t learn to read and write, or develop organized kingdoms, until the 10th and 11th centuries C.E.
(Wikipedia)
@ Edgar G.:
Edgar,
About the Vikings, etc.: I have no doubt that the various Scandanavian peoples, as a whole, have physical and historical differences from other Whites. In the broad scheme of things, however, they are minor differences — similar, for instance, to the difference between the Chinese and Japanese, or the Pygmies and the Tutsis.
The differences I cited from
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TP-9vRUMtZI/AAAAAAAADAk/fF_Dd5SfCnw/s1600/saami.png
shows a DNA categorization that is reflected in outward characteristics, long considered as “races”. For distinctions at other levels, you might look at
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul_Verdu/publication/264797723/figure/fig8/AS:340099289108481@1458097397525/Worldwide-Admixture-structure-Plotted-are-modes-with-clustering-solutions-obtained-with.png
A more general division, at the K=2 level, shows two main racial groups: 1. Sub-Saharan Africans and 2. everyone else. The Arabs and Berbers are shown to be intermediate between these two groups. This accords well with the “Out of Africa” theory that shows homo sapiens originating in eastern Africa.
The samplings I have cited did not include Russians, though you have correctly mentioned that they are closely connected to other East Europeans and to Scandanavians, with a Siberian element as well. European genetic origins are impressively discussed at:
http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.com/2015/02/kurgan-ancient-dna-suggests-major.html
Mr. Taylor correctly points out that intelligence is merely one of many physical characteristics. I will note that the same genetic predispositon that makes one person tall and another short, one person dark and another light, also makes one person dull and another brilliant. That ought to be obvious. I also agree with him that since IQ scores are so obviously split along racial lines, intelligence is inherited genetically. If that isn’t politically correct, then, as the English say, “that’s hard lines”.
@ Edgar G.:
Thanks, Edgar. I do try not to be chary.
Adam,
Instead of knee-jerk ad hominem attacks, you might try to refute Jared Taylor on the merits of what he is saying in the OP. Calling people “racists” and “neo-Nazis” iis really getting passé. I’ve had my fill of it.
@ adamdalgliesh:
Frankly, Adam, you don’t impress me here as someone wanting “stimulating ideas”. You’re trying to censor Ted.
@ adamdalgliesh:
Adam –He’s already told you above why he does it. And your last sentence, “a stimulating place to exchange ideas, and meet interesting and well informed people”…etc. and so on…….shows exactly what Ted both said and meant. Also, the subject is connected to the Jewish people -amongst others.
That’s exactly what it does…including the posts already entered above. Michael has done interesting digging, and is not chary about re-posting superseding info.
@ Michael S:
Mchael- I didn’t see the Slavs mentioned. But I see the Russians. The Russians are a mixture of Eastern Slavs, Finns, Mongols and Scandinavians generally.. (Then there would have been some Turkic in there somewhere. They seemed to have been everywhere)..The Vikings, known as the Rus when they came down the Dneiper River to trade and then settle along the route. The Kievan Rus were originally settled Vikings and the first “King” of Kiev was Oleg…His dynasty ruled for many years.
Off the subject, as I often am…{{Those Vikings who were later called Varangians became the personal bodyguard of the Byzantine Emperors in Constantinople. The most known of them, was the 7″ tall Harald Hardrada who was later called back to rule over Norway and the area. He was killed at the famous Battle of Stamford Bridge in Yorkshire in 1066, in his unsuccessful attempt to take the British Crown from Harold Godwinson. However he was directly the cause of Harold being defeated at the Battle of Hastings by William of Normandy.. Harold rushed to Stamford Bridge 200 miles from London in a week, straight into all-day battle. Then hearing that the Normans had landed, marched back to Hastings, 270 miles south, with his depleted tired, army, an all night march and 12 hour battle…. in which he was killed. }}
Ted, I just don’t get it why you are doing this to yourself and to Israpundit. You keeps publishing and endorsing articles and broadcasts that advocate white supremacy, male supremacy, racial theories associated with the Nazis armed insurrection, civil war, and the destruction of the United States as a united, sovereign country, and opposition to democratic government. These are views identical to those of the guy who committed the Pittsburgh synogogue massacre, and Timothy MacVeigh,You have even published overtly antisemitic articles and broadcasts by people like Alex Jones. How do you hope to exert any influence on American or Israeli opinion this way. I am reminded of “The Producers,” where Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder produce “Sprintime for Hitler” in the hope of its laying an egg. Only unlike Mel Brooks who wrote “The Producers,” you seem to be serious. How many Jewish people in either Israel and the United States, or for that matter even white Christian males in the United States, are comfortable with this kind of “narrative?” Do you really want to isolate yourself from everyone except a tiny minority that despise you in any case because of your “race?”
As someone who has found Israpundit a stimulating place to exchange ideas and meet interesting, well-informed people, and a source of valuable information about Israel and the Jewish condition, I am deeply saddened and dismayed by this self-destructive, incomprehensible behavior.
The founding myth of the USA, that “all men are created equal” is… well, certainly a myth. However, as the official public national assumption, it is at least useful to preserve some degree of order and cohesion within the diverse American society. With respect to immigration however, I agree with applying some “human quality control” for considering admission of foreigners.
@ Ted Belman:
I have found a better link than the one I gave above. It is at
https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html
and includes both a list of countries and a map, along with their IQ scores. No doubt, the two maps from the two links derived their data from different sources or times. If you average together the two, however, you end up with a pretty tight correlation between race and IQ. Jared Taylor, then, is correct.
Yes — I said that Jared Taylor, whom Wikipedia brands as a “White Supremacist”, made correct conclusions concerning the relationship between race and IQ. If one were to correlate the IQ data with the races I gave in my first post, the order of intelligence would be:
East Asians & Whites > Oceanic, S. Asian and Amerind > Sub-Saharan African
@ Ted Belman:
Hi, Ted. I considered that “opening up a Pandora’s box” would be construed by some here as “fun”.
For my part, I heard the tape through. I wanted to find a better map showing the geographical distribution of iQ scores, and came up with this:
https://notpolitcallycorrect.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/adultiq.jpg
The map does not follow racial lines well, but closely follows per capita GDP (individual wealth). That is definitely an environmentally-based pattern, not genetically. It doesn’t refute the speaker’s thesis, since he claims to cite data showing differences between races in similar social environments. On the other hand, it causes me to take his conclusions with a grain of salt.
Michael S Said:
No I didn’t. The debate on the relationship between race and IQ is always heated and greatly effected by PC. In opening up this pandora’s box I wanted to generate a free debate without intimidation.
I believe that different races have different IQs. It doesn’t bother me as to how come. or how are races defined, pure or otherwise. The fact remains that there are differences in IQ’s though there are exceptions to every rule.
Trump wants to put Americans first which means he wants to do what is good for the American people. It stands to reason that he would want to admit immigrants who probably will support themselves and won’t be a burden on society. Would it be fair to have an IQ test for admission? Is there a better indicator?
Secondly should be vet people based on their willingness to integrate or embrace American (Judean- Christian) values.
If one thinks it is wrong to have such tests, let them make their case.
Ted, did you publish the OP just for fun? Before I bother reading it, let me comment on just the title of the article and the title of the video, respectively:
A. There definitely are races in the world, and
B. There is no clear “Jewish race”.
The best list of races can be seen pictorally at
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT0/TP-9vRUMtZI/AAAAAAAADAk/fF_Dd5SfCnw/s1600/saami.png
Based on total DNA, at the K=6 kevel, we have:
1. Sub-Saharan African (~”Negroid”): ex. San Mbuti, Biaka, Yoruba, Mandenka, Bantu
2. N. Africa-Middle East-Europe (~”White”): ex. Mozabite, Bedouin, Palestinian, Druze, Adygei, Sardinian, Tuscan, N. Italian, French, Orcadian, F. Basqaue, Russian and Saami
3. South Asian: ex. Makrani, Balochi, Brahui, Kalash, Burusho, Pathan, Sindhi
4. C. & E. Asian: ex. Hazara, Uygur, Yakut, Mongol, Tu, Xibo, Orogen, Hezbeh, Daur, Japanese, Yizu, Naxi, Tuja, Han (Chinese), She, Miaozu, Dai, Lahu, Cambodian
5. Oceania: ex. Melanesian, Papuan
6. Native American: ex. Maya, Pima, Colombian, Karitiana, Surui
These are groups in which “genotype” (DNA classification) and “phenotype” (physical characteristics) roughly correspond. You can see that Jews, Arabs and Europeans are all in the same group.