It’s over. End Oslo and kick the PLO/PA out

Eden Atias, z"l. Murdered by an Arab terrorist.
Eden Atias, z”l. Murdered by an Arab terrorist.

By Fresno Zionism

Yet another Israeli Jew was murdered today by a Palestinian terrorist. Eden Atias was stabbed to death while he slept on a bus near the Afula bus station.

Security guards stopped the assailant, Hussein Jawadra, a 16-year-old Palestinian from Jenin who is residing in Israel illegally, and turned him over to security forces. Jawadra’s two cousins are both held in Israel. One of them was sentenced to three life sentences for the murder of two Israelis and for several counts of attempted murder. The other was jailed for 12 years for attempted murder.

Another news report tells us that

Northern District Police Commander Maj. Gen. Roni Atiya told Army Radio that the teen confessed to the act, saying he sought to avenge relatives who are imprisoned in Israel. “He told us he left his house this morning with a clear intent to harm Israelis because his uncles are jailed in Israel,” Atiya said.

MK Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) blamed the continuous incitement by the Palestinian Authority:

Abu Mazen [Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas] is fostering an indirect tactic of harming Israel. The killing of Jews is no longer perpetrated by the PA’s branches but by the ‘Palestinian street,’ which is fed, daily, by anti-Israeli propaganda. We cannot continue to negotiate peace when the PA clearly pursues terror.

And Meir Indor of the Almagor Terror Victims Association said,

the hand that held the knife today may have been that of a Palestinian teenager, but he was sent by Abu Mazen and his associates in the PA, who offer released murderers a hero’s welcome in Ramallah. By doing that they are raising another generation of young killers who grow up hoping to become Palestinian heroes.

Palestinian Arabs are doing their best to kill Jews every day, throwing rocks and firebombs or shooting and stabbing. The 16-year-old murderer in this case is following a family tradition, or should I say, a national one. I would go farther than Hotovely and Indor and say that Abbas and other PA officials responsible for creating these killers are themselves guilty of murder, and should be treated appropriately.

What every organ of the PA, media, schools, mosques, etc. are telling them is that the Jews stole their country and their honor, all their land is ‘occupied’, and that any action against occupiers is justified. Their greatest heroes are terrorists and the greatest honor is to become a martyr for the Palestinian cause.

Somehow, despite the fact that war is being waged against Israel, the nation is expected to respond by voluntarily giving up critical strategic ground to their enemy. This is supposedly the responsible, moral thing to do.

It is not. Suicide is not responsible or moral. I believe that it is time for Israel to say to the world “it’s over.”

The results of the Oslo experiment — which, in the best interpretation, was intended to test if the PLO could be serious about peace — are in: the PLO is a murderous terrorist gang which has never wavered from the vision of Yasser Arafat. It remains faithful to the PLO Charter:

Article 9: Armed struggle is the only way to liberate Palestine. Thus it is the overall strategy, not merely a tactical phase. The Palestinian Arab people assert their absolute determination and firm resolution to continue their armed struggle and to work for an armed popular revolution for the liberation of their country and their return to it. They also assert their right to normal life in Palestine and to exercise their right to self-determination and sovereignty over it.

Article 10: Commando action constitutes the nucleus of the Palestinian popular liberation war. This requires its escalation, comprehensiveness, and the mobilization of all the Palestinian popular and educational efforts and their organization and involvement in the armed Palestinian revolution. It also requires the achieving of unity for the national (watani) struggle among the different groupings of the Palestinian people, and between the Palestinian people and the Arab masses, so as to secure the continuation of the revolution, its escalation, and victory.

This charter was never revoked, and Arafat and his successors have not abandoned it.

“It’s over” means that the Oslo process, which granted the PLO authority to form the PA is over, and the Oslo Accords are dead. The PLO abrogated them in any event by applying for statehood at the UN, and now it must (finally) be recognized that it did so by making war, both in 2000 and today.

It means that the so-called ‘peace’ negotiations with the PLO are ended, and the ideas that have been promulgated in opposition to international law — that the 1949 armistice lines are borders, or that the ‘Palestinian people’ have national rights west of the Jordan, or that Jewish settlements outside the Green line are not entirely legitimate — are repudiated.

It means that the PLO is a terrorist organization, and should be treated as such.

It means that PLO/PA security forces can be disarmed. Terrorists — even (especially) PLO/PA leaders — can be expelled. Perhaps the Arab nations and EU that have been so concerned for the Palestinian Arabs will give them a home.

Israel can’t afford to any longer.

November 14, 2013 | 76 Comments »

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  1. There is a fundamental difference here and if Yamit is not exposed on this it is truly the end for Israel

    read this exchange very carefully

    By the way Yamit has no perspective of building any leadership in Israel thus he will destroy ANY comment here by a non Jew

    The concept of a Jewish leader is different from all others: Historical Jewish leaders were those who never sought the roles.
    My favorite Leader was Yiftach the Judge.

    I am not against learning lessons from the Bible, not in the slightest. The Bible is a body of knowledge.

    But the Bible is not transferrable to the present…that is the problem. We now have a set of situations int he world which are entirely new.

    I advise everybody to read or read again “The devil that never dies” by Goldhagen. He slanders Marxism but it is a massive work and he is clear that Antisemitism changes, and he does a great service because he touches upon the GLOBAL aspect of Antisemitism, which is rooted in the GLOBAL nature of capitalism and the capitalist crisis TODAY

    Without a perspective people like Yamit will lash out at people like CA, It is really frustration caused by the lack of a clear perspective to meet the PRESENT conditions of Antisemitism in its new forms.

  3. yamit82 Said:

    tonto m (plural tonti) (Feminine: tonta)
    A fool, a stupid person

    Your Spainish dictionary is mistaken, neither of these enclosed words [ a fool, stupid person ] are feminine characteristics.

  5. @ CuriousAmerican:
    Some of the world may piss and moan. The danger of incorporating a million plus Arabs into the little state of Israel is too great a danger, as you have noticed they do not like us. Paying all to leave is simply not going to happen.

    Annexing all of it and a lot of the world will still piss and moan. No easy solutions to this conflict or it would have been solved long ago.

    Israel must do what is good for Israel.

  6. @ Bear Klein:
    Ted, At the right moment we do need to do this. There should be a plan in place waiting for the timing, including annexing Area C.

    Annexing only Area C will be seen by the world as problematic.

    Annex all of J&S.

    Pay the young Palestinians to leave (about half would go)

    Slowly enfranchise the rest. Over time. Require Hebrew.

  7. Bear Klein Said:

    At the right moment we do need to do this. There should be a plan in place waiting for the timing

    that would make sense if the GOI had the same goals. Informal Jewish militias could accomplish it.

  9. M Devolin Said:

    What about their children? “A prudent man foresees the evil and avoids it.”

    I agree. Its no longer about doing what one thinks is “right” but about doing what one thinks is safe for the Jews. Ten years ago I would not have considered transferring the arabs from YS but that was before I was aware of their perfidious ways. The more facts I know the less leeway and tolerance I have. I no longer consider their needs, cares or desires in my analysis, it is irrelevant. Still, not only is it best for the Jews but also for them to be sent out because their being sent out, and no longer being unable to be a thorn in the side of the Jews that is exploited by the world, would finally precipitate their permanent resettlement by those who seek to keep them as a thorn. Transfer should be discussed as a real alternative, it should not be censored, after all, the world accepted it for the Jews in arab lands.

  10. “Reign it in or I’ll do it for you. Did you forget your meds today?”

    Actually, I just came out of the bush, Ted. It’s deer season here right now. I apologize if I offended you or any other of my Jewish friends here. But to the others, CA and Quigley (the Irish political transvestite), I don’t apologize for anything.

    Yamit, I’m sorry to hear about the young Israeli boy stabbed to death by CA’s friends.

  11. “Forgive Devolin,Ted, he’s from Canada,thery are worst then Texans!!!!!!!!”

    Thanks for the compliment, honeybee.

  12. “Any Arab that wants to stay and support Jewish Israel is welcome to stay.”

    What about their children? “A prudent man foresees the evil and avoids it.”

  13. @ Ted Belman:

    End Oslo and kick the PLO/PA out

    Ted, At the right moment we do need to do this. There should be a plan in place waiting for the timing, including annexing Area C.

  14. “…and then you have your own clique operating so not a problem”

    No, rather Jews here won’t have to waste precious time listening to ideas that exist now only under animal dung on the Russian steppes.

  15. Israel badly needs the death penalty against terrorists as now these people are motivated by the releases as thinking they can get out of prison.

    Also Israel needs to destroy the homes the terrorists come from as deterrent.

    The above is step one.

    Step two annex Area C as soon as the peace talks end.

  26. @ honeybee:

    Yiftach has less mythology connected to him and he showed a lot of street smarts David never had. He is compared by our sages with Moses and Ezra.

    Read his arguments with the King of Moab. He knew his history and had faith in G-d stronger than all the others who were craping in their tunics.

    He was a self made man as a bandit leader of other outcasts yet he was fearless and knew how to make deals and didn’t take crap from anyone as the next chapter shows what he did to the tribe of Ephraim. http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15820

  28. @ honeybee:

    Adjective

    tonto m (feminine tonta, masculine plural tonti, feminine plural tonte)

    stupid, silly, dumb, foolish

    Noun

    tonto m (plural tonti) (Feminine: tonta)

    A fool, a stupid person

  30. Felix Quigley Said:

    By the way Yamit has no perspective of building any leadership in Israel thus he will destroy ANY comment here by a non Jew

    The concept of a Jewish leader is different from all others: Historical Jewish leaders were those who never sought the roles.
    My favorite Leader was Yiftach the Judge.

    “And Gilead’s wife bore him sons; and his wife’s sons grew up and drove Jephthah out, and they said to him, “You shall not inherit in our father’s house for you are the son of another woman.” “And Jephthah fled from his brothers and he dwelt in the land of Tob; and idle men were gathered to Jephthah, and they went out with him And it was, when the children of Ammon fought with Israel; and the elders of Gilead went to take Jephthah from the land of Tob. And they said to Jephthah, “Come and become our chief, and we will fight with the children of Ammon.”
    And Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead, “Did you not hate me, and drive me from my father’s house? So why have you come to me now when you are in distress?” And the elders of Gilead said to Jephthah, “Therefore we returned to you now, and you shall go with us, and you will fight with the children of Ammon, and you shall become our head, over all the inhabitants of Gilead.” And Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead, “If you bring me back to fight with the children of Ammon, and the Lord delivers them before me, I will become your head.” And the elders of Gilead said to Jephthah, “The Lord shall hear between us, if not according to your word so will we do.”
    And Jephthah sent messengers to the king of the children of Ammon, saying, “What is (between) me and you, that you have come to me to fight in my land?”
    </strong And the king of the children of Ammon said to the messengers of Jephthah,     “Because Israel took away my land, when they came out of Egypt, from Arnon and up to the Jabbok, and up to the Jordan; and now restore them peacefully.”

    And Jephthah continued, and sent messengers to the king of the children of Ammon. And he said to him, “So said Jephthah, Israel did not take the land of Moab and the land of the children of Ammon. Because when they came up from Egypt, and Israel went through the wilderness up to the Red Sea, and they came to Kadesh. And Israel sent messengers to the king of Edom saying, ‘Let me pass now through your land,’ and the king of Edom did not listen, and also to the king of Moab he sent, and he was unwilling; and Israel abode in Kadesh. And they went through the wilderness, and went around the land of Edom and the land of Moab, and they came to the east of the land of Moab, and they encamped on the other side of the Arnon, and they did not come within the border of Moab, for (the) Arnon (was) the border of Moab. And Israel sent messengers to Sichon, king of the Amorites, the king of Heshbon; and Israel said to him, ‘Please let us pass through your land up to my place.’ And Sichon did not trust Israel to pass through his border, and Sichon gathered all his people, and they encamped in Jahaz, and he fought with Israel. And the Lord, the God of Israel, delivered Sichon and all his people into the hand of Israel, and they struck them; and Israel possessed all the land of the Amorites, the inhabitants of that land. And they possessed all the border of the Amorites, from the Arnon up to the Jabbok, and from the wilderness up to the Jordan. And now the Lord, the God of Israel, has driven out the Amorites from before His people Israel, and you want to possess it? Is it not that which Chemosh your god gives you to possess, that you may possess; and all that which the Lord our God has driven out from before us, that we shall possess. And now, are you any better than Balak the son of Zippor, king of Moab? Did he ever strive with Israel, (or) did he ever fight against them? When Israel dwelt in Heshbon and its towns, and in Aroer and its towns, and in all the cities that are along Arnon, three hundred years; why did you not recover them at that time? And I have not sinned against you, and you do wrong with me by fighting against me; may the Lord, the Judge, decide this day between the children of Israel and between the children of Ammon.” And the king of the children of Ammon did not listen to the words of Jephthah which he had sent him.

    SO THEY WENT TO WAR. Not one inch was ever considered to be returned for Peace.

    And Jephthah passed over to the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hand. And he struck them from Aroer until you come to Minnith, twenty cities, and up to Abel Cheramim, a very great slaughter. And the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel.

  31. @ CuriousAmerican:
    The PLO and the PA are the root of our conflict and eroding position. They are not preaching coexistence, they are preaching rebellion and rejection and destruction of Israel. Get rid of all Arabs who agree with them. Any Arab that wants to stay and support Jewish Israel is welcome to stay.

  37. Yes of course it is so obviously simple. Ban CA from the site, and then you have your own clique operating so not a problem. You have your clique leader Yamit…note above how he gets the clique operating…By the way Yamit has no perspective of building any leadership in Israel thus he will destroy ANY comment here by a non Jew

  40. mar55 Said:

    Yamit82. What do you want him to say? a self centered idiot who is here only to be contrary. He should go and play or opine elsewhere. Do you remember when Ted had to go to the hospital? The only thing the stupid idiot could say “Have a good time”. Do you know of anyone who goes to the hospital to have a good time?

    Let him stay; we need a target for venting our spleen. The messages we send him will travel beyond this blog

  41. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Or are you considering ethnic removal of the Palestinians altogether?

    It will happen because they will force Israel against her will to do it. You know in the end it’s them or us. It’s always been them or us and when the fiction of all other alternatives dissipates we will remove them all, like a great cattle roundup. Round em up move em out!!! Get it Tonto?

  42. As bad as our anger and indignation is right now, please remember that in fifteen years from now, or maybe less, this Palestinian piece of drek will also be released as part of some crapy deal, and Bibi, Ayalon, Tzipi, Lapid, Shas and UTJ will agree to his release “with a heavy heart” in the “interest of the nation”, while Feiglin and a few other poor schleppers will stand alone in opposition and ignored by all.
    Talk about real indignation.
    Enough said.

  43. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Or are you considering ethnic removal of the Palestinians altogether?

    without a doubt that is the only permanent and sustainable solution: transfer across the border. Start small by sending the PLO and families to gaza to get a feel for the thing. Once there is tough treatment the remaining arabs will tow the line or be sent out. No more dead jews, only dead arabs.

  44. NormanF Said:

    The murder of an innocent Jewish child has taught Netanyahu and his acolytes nothing.

    the state should clandestinely create jewish terror squads who hunt down the relatives and descendants of terrorists and liquidate them. I srael can claim no connection to these terrorists like the arabs. Until the price for the arabs is unbearable there will be no peace for the Jews. The price must be high enough to cause them to BEG for peace. Jewish terrorists will also cause the arabs to run for their lives. all of this is the result of the anti semitic canard of proportionate response. Massive and merciless responses are required for deterrence.

    It means that PLO/PA security forces can be disarmed. Terrorists — even (especially) PLO/PA leaders — can be expelled. Perhaps the Arab nations and EU that have been so concerned for the Palestinian Arabs will give them a home.

    No need, there is an immediate home in gaza where they can be unilaterally transferred. Israel already has experience when it transferred Jews from gaza. Fatah and hamas can then proceed to “talk” with each other. All it takes is jewish will and jewish decision making.

  45. @ yamit82:

    Netanyahu told us the other day he pleaded for a Palestinian Arab Ben Gurion. In the praise of the murderer of Eden Atias by the Arabs, he received his reply.

    His disgraceful response was to scupper new Jewish construction in Judea and Samaria lest the murderers be offended and walk out of the pretend peace talks.

    The murder of an innocent Jewish child has taught Netanyahu and his acolytes nothing.

  47. May G-d avenge his blood.

    Death penalty was instituted by G-d against Amalek about 4,000 years ago as follows:

    “Remember what Amalek did to you on the way [….] how he attacked you on the way when you were faint and weary, and cut off your tail, those who were lagging behind you, and he did not fear God.[..] Therefore when the Lord your God has given you rest from all your enemies around you, in the land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance to possess, you shall blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven; you shall not forget.”

    We have been given all the criteria to identify Amalek: (i) he attacks people when they are in an inoffensive position; and (ii) he kills his victims in horrific conditions without fear of G-d.

    Considering that the death penalty exists already in Israel under the Nazis and Nazi Collaborators (Punishment) Law.

    Considering that the terrorists meet all the criteria of Amalek.

    Therefore, this law should be reformulated and reactivated against Amalek of modern times.

  48. It’s not over as long as you have Israel intelligence apparatchiks briefing the Knesset that Israel will face increasing international (Read EU) isolation if it doesn’t advance talks with the PA. This is the Dr. Kenneth Levin’s “Oslo Syndrome” at its best with a mixture of Prof. Martin Sherman’s “Limo Driver” Theory thrown in (Bibi is in the thrall of the Leftist Trinity – The Media, Academia and the Israeli Courts -never mind the so-called right-wing Likud governments – the limo-driver Bibi follows the dictates of the Leftist Trinity in the backseat of the limo.

  49. CuriousAmerican Said:

    That is not right. May his soul rest in peace.

    “That is not right”. That’s the best you can come up with? Not even a condemnation of the Murderer and those who support him?

  50. That is not right. May his soul rest in peace.

    That being said: If you kick the PLO/PA out Ted; what would you replace it with? Would you go back to pre-Oslo direct military rule?

    Or are you considering ethnic removal of the Palestinians altogether?