Peloni: An interesting change of tone from the previous outrageous challenge that Israel has no right to respond to October 7 made before the UN last month. Could this change of tone be related to the recent move by Russia to support UAE’s rights to islands which have been contested with Iran or is it just coincidental?
The fight against Nazism is what historically unites Russia and the Middle Eastern country, the foreign minister said.
RT December 28, 2023
Israel’s declared goals of its ongoing operation against Hamas militants in Gaza seem nearly identical to Moscow’s in its campaign against the Ukrainian government, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Thursday.
The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) has been carrying out a relentless bombing campaign in the Palestinian enclave of Gaza over the past two months following a surprise Hamas attack on Israeli territories on October 7. The attack by the Palestinian militants left some 1,200 people dead and saw the kidnapping of over 200 hostages. Israel’s response, meanwhile, has reportedly cost the lives of over 21,000 people, according to Gaza health officials.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that the end goal of the IDF is the complete destruction of the Hamas movement in all its forms, as well as the elimination of all extremism in Gaza.
Lavrov, however, noted that these goals seem similar to “demilitarization” and “denazification,” which Moscow has been pursuing in Ukraine since it launched its offensive in February 2022.
The diplomat noted the hypocrisy demonstrated by Israel’s former government under Prime Minister Yair Lapid, who condemned Russia’s military operation and accused Moscow of attacking the civilian population and annexing parts of Ukraine. “This was unfair,” said Lavrov.
At the same time, the minister pointed out that the current Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu – who entered his sixth term in December 2022 – has not allowed himself to make any statements regarding Russia, despite international criticism and finding himself in “a difficult situation.”
Lavrov further recalled that Netanyahu had held two phone conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that the Israelis had helped Moscow evacuate Russian citizens from Gaza.
“Therefore, we need to be very careful about our common history with Israel and, above all, the history of the fight against Nazism. This is the main thing that unites us historically,” Lavrov said.
Russia has repeatedly called on both Israel and Hamas to stop hostilities in Gaza, with Putin stating that the only way to resolve the Middle East crisis was through a “two-state” formula approved by the UN Security Council.
Netanyahu, meanwhile, has refused to send military aid to Ukraine and has instead offered himself as a potential mediator for peace talks between Moscow and Kiev.
I think, based on the text of the article and from the fact that RT turned off the comments under its articles, that Russia would like Israeli English language (at least) publications to stop publishing exclusively anti-Russian and pro-Ukrainian news and articles.
I am wondering whether Israeli politicians and publishers will get the hint.
About the 30-some trillion dollar debt – it is not debt it is free cash.
You know why? Because it was never meant to be repaid.
When you borrow money knowing that you will never repay it, it means that you got a lot of free cash.
As far as the motivation of the majority, I think Michael is right because he IS the majority and he knows how the majority thinks.
As far as being a Russian shill and a Putin lover – one doesn’t have to be one or the other or both in order to know what the facts are and to face reality instead of constantly invoking the spirit of McCarthy.
@Michael
Did you write the following passage or did I, please let us know:
So you seem a bit confused. Did you write this above quote or not? Are the the same people or not? I say they are not. You said they are, but of course that was a whole two days ago. Are you now agreeing with me? If so, good.
This is notably irrelevant to the fact that economics is not the reason for the majority of opposition to supporting Israel as you stated. Perhaps you want to correct that part of your statement as well.
And who said anything about US troops? The last thing that is needed by either the Israelis or the Americans is to have Israel more dependent on the US than she is right now.
Also, Laura and Sebastien are quite correct. Americans are very supportive of Israel, and Israel’s war in Gaza, and sending them aid. This is why the Congress is determined to pass a bill to fund Israel’s war in the middle of an election year. Notably, the opposite is true for Ukraine, at the moment in any event.
@Michael As do your comments at this point in time. Israpundit has covered it but this is not the time or place after the worst one day massacre since the Holocaust and an ongoing attempted invasion of Israel.
You are attempting to distract attention away. The New York Times did something similar when it surrounded stories of the unfolding Holocaust with similar sounding atrocity stories from around the world in the back pages.
It’s something like Holocaust minimization/denial.
No one has advocated for American troops to Israel. But I do believe that most Americans want us to support Israel by sending weapons and money as polls have indicated. Bloggers and social media influencers are NOT representative of the vast majority of Americans. Of course we need to protect our own borders. We CAN do both.
Sebastien, you said,
Wrong thread, but appropriate comment. Of course the MSS isn’t covering it. In their latest outrage, the Fulanese slaughtered 149 Christians in Abuja — and by the 52,000 killed since 2009, you can see that this is nothing new. The Fulanese, Boko Haram, et al who have been doing this do it practically as a matter of sport, and are extremely brutal. One mother passed out from a machete blow to her shoulder, only to see her two children decapitated in front of her. The young girls who are not raped, are kidnapped as slave brides for Muslim men. The attacks are explicitly religion-motivated, with practically no trace of political motives; and as you say, the press gives the matter scant coverage.
As I said, this all belongs on a different thread:
What Hamas Did to the Girls and Women in Gaza
BTW I just noticed your latest post:
“@Michael Peloni is right. Republicans suppoort aid to Israel but not Ukraine.”
Peloni has been posting to a straw man, since I never mentioned “Republicans”. I am a Republican, by the way, and I oppose aid to both countries as long as our government refuses to defend our own borders. I can’t go following Peloni and others into their parallel, Putin-loving, universe. Try to stick to what I said, not to what you imagine.
@Michael Peloni is right. Republicans suppoort aid to Israel but not Ukraine. The squad never mentions Ukraine or how much things cost and paint Israel as the aggressor.
Peloni, do you know how to read? I said,
I never said they were the same people. You changed it to that, for whatever motives are crawling around in you. You know as well as I do, that the “mostly peaceful” protestors, enriched by Soros money, do not represent Americans, but you try to cast a slur on the rest of us. I never even mentioned the word “people”.
If you want an example of prominent bloggers who have consistently opposed aid to Ukraine, check out https://rumble.com/c/BannonsWarRoom. They oppose aid to Ukraine while the US border remains unprotected. They are not, like you, fanatical Russophiles; in fact, they rightly revile the Russians.
I don’t know of anyone, on War Room or elsewhere, who wants the US to send US troops to Israel; and many oppose aid altogether, seeing that we are currently over $30,000,000,000,000 in debt. You never seem to notice that in you calculation, because you believe, rightly or wrongly, that Israel is the center of the universe. Most Americans sympathize with Israel as well; but working Americans (not your “river to the sea” crowd) understand that the part of the universe God wants them to be funding is the US, not Israel and Ukraine.
My point was that I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the liberals who say they are upset about all the Arab deaths in Gaza are just mindlessly repeating media talking points. But the media supports the war in Ukraine. I was talking to somebody who said to me that everybody supported Israel after October 7 and was horrified but… Yes, well, the media initially expressed horror and then quickly pivoted, didn’t they?
Michael, you said why is there no outrage at the ongoing murder of Christians in Africa.
Well, has the legacy media been covering it?
@Michael
Well, let’s take it slowly.
The main opposition to the ‘aid’ to Israel is not based on economics. It is based on the pro-Pals, the ones who are so well financed, and like to chant ‘From the River to the Sea’. And I disagree that those who oppose the aid to Ukraine, who are in large part not the same people as those who oppose US support of Israel, are not disgusted by the Nazi elements in Ukrainian society, culture, and armed forces.
In any event, the opponents of US support in these two wars are not the same people, which is why the US House split the bills supporting these wars.
That is what I am trying to say.
@Michael, Peloni Right, it just refers to an inordinate love of seafood. Big misunderstanding, 😀
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12905993/New-York-City-Palestinian-restaurant-Ayat.html
Peloni,
What the hell are you trying to say here??? When did I mention “river to the sea”???
You’re trying to say that the average American is out in the streets crying out for genocide? You absolute ass!
How to make classic Canadian Poutine
@Michael
So you believe that people shouting ‘rivver to the sea’ don’t care about Israeli politics and are motivated by economics? Really? As I have noted previously, the people who oppose the aid in Ukraine and Israel are not the same people, though there is some overlap, and I would add that their motives for opposing the aid are not aligned on economics.
@Laura
The answer is, as I have explained many times, and noted to you not long ago on another thread, because the Ukrainian Nationalist govt was formed using actual Nazis. The man who was made the head of Ukraine’s NSA after the Maidan coup, Andriy Parubiy, who was also the Commandant of the Maidan, responsible for the murders during the Maidan massacre, was himself an unrepentant founder of the neoNazi Svoboda party, and he later became the head of the Ukrainian parlaiment for four years following that. The nationalist govt in Ukraine supports, includes and venerates Nazis, Nazi war criminals. Azov was a Nazi battalion. There are monuments to Banderites and German Nazi’s alike all over Ukraine. They wear actual Swastikas on their uniforms and perform twilight torch processions specifically in memory of Nazi era events. They routinely name streets and venues after people who actually participated in the Holocaust. Read thru the listings of events, commemorations, and Nazi aligned undertakings perpetrated by the Ukrainian govt which I listed previously:
https://www.israpundit.org/israel-pursuing-similar-goals-to-russia-lavrov/#comment-63356000270654
I agree with Laura and Bear concerning Putin — who, despite the window dressing by the RT crowd here, is a psychopath and war criminal.
As I have already said, The main reason of opponents of US aid to BOTH Israel and Ukraine, is the fact that the US under Biden is in no economic position to support either. They don’t give a sh*t about Bandar or Israeli politics.
My thanks to the Putin lovers, for holding off on their BS before I went on vacation. I had a wonderful time, with no Internet.
It’s bad enough shilling for the current Russian regime, but now you retroactively defend the communist USSR. Unbelievable. I remember when “conservatives” hated communism and believed the people in eastern Europe should be free. Whatever happened to the party of Reagan?
I agree that Russia hasn’t been the only villain.
Why is a nationalist Ukrainian government described as “nazi” but a Russian nationalist government is legitimate? As I said, it’s the Russians acting more like nazis.
It is completely absurd to believe Russia is a bulwark of support for Israel against Iran when in fact Russia is Iran’s ally. Russia even met with hamas in Moscow last year. There’s strong reason to believe Moscow was involved with 10/7
Your defense of Putin and Russia especially after what has transpired since 10/7 is bizarre at best.
Those who claim that Russia wants to expand its empire in reality ascribe to it the ambitions of the West and the cunning of the West.
If Russia wanted to take over Ukraine, it could have done so in 2014.
The reason it didn’t is because it doesn’t want to be responsible for another country, doesn’t want to have to rebuild it, finance it, provide the population with the same benefits the Russian citizens get, etc.
Of course, if Ukraine keeps playing the role of the battering ram against Russia, Russia may end up absorbing Ukraine and ending up with a big problem, at least for a while.
For now, the West can still celebrate a victory because the conflict has killed almost half a million mostly young men (Untermenschen as far as the West is concerned) on both sides.
In the Soviet Union the “poor, enslaved” little republics had much better lives than the center, such as Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus, and those little republics got hit really hard when the Soviet Union ceased to exist.
The Ukrainian people actually elected Zelensky. The only puppet who ruled Ukraine was a guy named Yanukovych, a puppet of Russia.
@EvRe1
Putin is certainly NOT a Communist.
There is a Communist party there in the parliament (Duma), and he is NOT a member.
He was a Communist in the USSR but by that time most party members who joined the party did so in order to advance their careers and not for any ideological reasons.
Russia turned to capitalism decisively in the early 1990s.
@Sebastien
Good point.
@Peloni It has belatedly occurred to me that we should always ask the people who demand a ceasefire in Gaza because they are horrified at the putative 18,000 Arab casualties, if they favor a ceasefire in Ukraine.
The knowledgeable Europeans I speak to believe that any deal with Putin is not worth the paper it is written on. If you have a cease-fire and give up land, that is only a matter of time until Putin attacks again.
Russia has not held up its past promises and its goal is to capture all of Ukraine and more of the former Soviet Union. That is what the eastern Europeans believe. That is what most in the EU or elsewhere in Europe also believe.
Laura is correct when she writes:
@Laura
Yes, well I think I found a quote which might completely capture President Laura’s position:
Of course this is a recent quote from the spokesman for the despotic totalitarian who actually is the president of the Rump of Ukraine. So, just more of the same, and one day soon either Putin will surrender or the last Ukrainian will be dead. I won’t say I wish either you or the real president of Ukraine any luck with that gambit, and I would wager that this position of ”more of the what already failed” will fail as well. And yet, time will tell.
Now that Maryinka has fallen, I look for Adviidka to be the next, and when that stronghold is toppled, well, I guess we can see if either President Laura or President Zel will change their misguided support for this silly position going forward.
Notably, Yulia Tymoshenko, former PM of Ukraine, and Vitali Klitschko, current mayor of Kiev, and Valerii Zaluzhnyi, head of Ukraine’s armed forces, have all raised objections to the real Ukrainian president as he pursues such ‘more of the same’ tactics being pursued today, not because any of them actually have a plan which might achieve victory, but most likely because they can smell defeat coming and each is hoping to be in the running to rule whatever is left after the current American puppet in Ukraine outlives his sell-by date.
I look forward to following up with you after your policy doppleganger in Kiev fulfills his fantasy or when this whole house of cards comes tumbling down. It may be sooner or it may be later, but such fantasies built on unsupportable fantastic rhetoric can have but one conclusion, and that conclusion will hardly reflect the imagined victory either you or he have in mind.
@Laura
The history of Eastern Europe is not a pleasant tale, but Russia is hardly the only villain to be described in such a telling. In any event, the current situation was always a regional dispute, over which the US installed Nazi/Nationalist govt had no interest in negotiating a settlement. The involvement of the US in the overthrow of the established and recognized govt of Ukraine was in fact the first evil role to be played in this drama, and it directly led to the murder of thousands of Ukrainians as a result.
In any event, all of this is irrelevant to Israel’s interests beyond the potential of gaining some bulwark of support from the Russians against the hostile American position of protecting, nurturing and funding Iran’s rise to dominance in the Middle East.
Ukraine knows there is no peace to be had with Russia which wants to subsume its entire nation and will only agree to a “peace” plan to buy itself time to gain back its strength and finish the job at some point. Why should Ukraine surrender any of its nation to Russia in any case? Ukraine won’t make the same mistake as it did in 1994 when it surrendered all of its nukes in exchange for security guarantees by us, the UK and Russia. If I were the Ukrainian president I would not for a second trust any “peace” deal leaving Russia with parts of its country in exchange for some phony security guarantee. They were burned before. Peloni, just stop shilling for Russia. This is an evil regime under Putin.
No, what’s evil is invading and taking over other countries. What’s evil is Russian imperialism and its attempt to recreate their empire. Is it any wonder why Ukrainians along with most other eastern Europeans hate Russians. Next to muslims, Russians are the worst people in the world.
@dinastar578@gmail.com
Do you see this as something evil or menacing? Russian nationalists caring for their nation above all others in not evil, any more than Israeli nationalists, also called Zionists, are evil or menacing. Nation states, all nation states, I would argue should care for their respective nation above all others. It is a natural, moral, responsible, and reasonable expectation for all leaders of all nations to pursue, even as you seem to be criticizing Putin and Lavrov for doing the same. Of course, such responsible behavior by national leaders is becoming far more rarely exercised due to the Liberal World Order pressing nation states towards their maniacal model of open borders, trans-national authority, and one world govt. In fact, the LWO is an entirely evil undertaking which is focused on sacrificing the identities and borders of individual nations to achieve their goals, to the ruin of the rights and interests of those individual nations.
The wedge is already manifested between Israel and the USA. The policy labeled as ‘integration’ which is nothing less than a realignment of the US with Iran and against Israel has been pressed with greater and greater effort upon the nations of the Middle East, including Israel. This was why the Pals have once again been put back on center stage on US-Israeli relations, not because anyone gives a tinker’s dam about the Pals, but because it is the tool used keep the Israeli’s isolated, and Israeli-Arab peace as an impossibility due to Pal’s having no interest in peace at any price. Meanwhile Iran is being ‘integrated’ into every aspect of interest in the Middle East, including the Abraham Accords which was specifically designed as a vehicle to unite the Middle East against Iran. This hostile positioning by the US to Israel’s interests is the wedge with exists between these two nations. Indeed, it is this wedge which has motivated the US forbidding any relevant attack by Israel on Hezbollah, promoting Fatah as a replacement for Hamas, maintaining the Pals in Gaza even during the war, and a desperate pursuit of the implementation of the TSS at any cost to Israel and her public.
So, whereas Lavrov seems to be finally recognizing the wedge which exists between the US and Israel, it was the Americans who very intentionally put that wedge in place while advancing their policy of Iranian integration. It is vital that Israel do more than accept its lot in being solely dependent upon a hostile nation whose real ally in the region is Iran, which is why it is important for her to design such geopolitical relationships which might serve her interests which are very much being threatened by her dependency upon the US.
I would argue that you are too well focused on the wrong relationship which the above article and Russia’s recognition of the rights of the UAE to disputed Iranian islands might characterize. It remains an open question at this point as to what the recent actions by Russia might honestly imply, but it should not go unnoticed that it has been quite some time since Russia has made any move or mention which might be interpreted as being contrary to the interests of Iran. Notably, it has been a long time since the US and Russia agreed on anything so well as their interest in Iran, albeit for differing purposes. With this in mind, these recent steps taken by Russia may presents a very important opportunity to offset some aspect of Washington’s Iranian integration policy as it applies to Israel. Certainly, you would agree that such an opportunity would be a pleasant development, would you not?
Lavrov delivered a little sugar-coated analogy rooted in WW II history , some gullible would think this is the opening of a new alliance between Russia and Israel . But it’s only an evocation of the past . For the present Russia supports Hamas, Iran , and all antagonists that attack Israel . So don’t be so naive . Overall Putin-Lavrov are Russian nationalists they care for Russia above all . Actually Lavrov by stating a similarity based in the fight against nazism , tries to drive a wedge between Israel and the USA . It won’t prosper.
@Sebastien
Very simply stated. Also, Ukraine won’t settle for peace, and if they wanted to do so, their American handlers wouldn’t let them.
No, if there is an armistice, it will be temporary until such time as Russia rebuilds its army and replenishes its weapons and decides it is strong enough to take the rest of Ukraine under some other phony pretext that it is being threatened.
He IS a stalwart defender of the “palestinian” cause and you’re gullible. Lavrov and Putin are far closer to nazism than the Ukrainians. Russia is trying to exterminate ethnic Ukrainians and conquer their nation as they have repeatedly done in the past. Again, this defense of putin is totally bizarre. I don’t know what’s driving it.
@Laura Ukraine usually votes to condemn Israel in the U.N. as does Russia. Ukraine gives lipservice and has a Jewish president for a fig leaf because it wants Israeli and American weapons and they think that the Jews run America and the West. There is no reason to take sides. If there is an armistice in the Ukraine there will be peace. If there is an armistice in Gaza, there will be more massacred Jews.
Exactly. Being a regular Twitter user, I have also seen the rabid antisemitism from the Russian and pro-Russia accounts. On the other hand, Ukranian accounts are pro-Israel. That should tell us a lot who the good guys and bad guys really are. Yet, despite this, unfortunately most of the folks commenting on Israpundit are still buying into Kremlin propaganda. In fact most pro-Russia conservatives have not changed their tune after 10/7, despite Russia’s open support of hamas, Iran and hostility to Israel. Like I said, I’m completely confounded. It’s even more bizarre than the hold Trump has on the right. At least I do understand support for Trump. But Putin?
Do not be decieved by the Green T-shirt. Ukraine has a serious Nazi/antisemitism problem. Celebration of Ukraine’s Nazi past is endemic in its society, its culture and its national armed forces.
The following are a partial list of documented pro-Nazi and antisemitic activities taking place in Ukraine over the past two and one-half years compiled by Eduard Dolinsky (read these carefully, or better yet visit his twitter page for accompanying photographic and video evidence] :
April 2023:
Kyiv City Council will rename a street after Volodymyr Kubiyovych notorious Nazi collaborator, cofounder of the Waffen SS Galizia Division and direct participant of Holocaust.
March 2023:
“Banderivska” sausage in Kyiv grocery store named in honor of Stepan Bandera – leader of antisemitic and xenophobic Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists that actively participated in Holocaust and perpetrated ethnic cleansing of Poles.
March 5, 2023:
Kyiv City Council voted to name street in Kyiv after Andriy Melnyk – leader of OUN and Nazi collaborator. Melnyk and members of his organization actively assisted Nazis in Holocaust – mass murder of 1, 5 million of Ukrainian Jews. Photo of 1941 «Glory to Hitler – Glory to Melnyk»
January 29, 2023:
Jewish Yellow Star used in Kyiv fashion store
January 10, 2023
Antisemitic Christmas Nativity show in Kalush area. Jews (actually “kikes”) are being blamed for lack of electricity and for speculating on the war: «Those who let the kike in the house will have no light».
December 13, 2023
Ukraine’s Vyzhnitsa named a street after Nazi war criminal Orest Bylak who participated in Holocaust. In 1944 deserted and joined French Foreign Legion. Awarded the Honorary Legion Order.
Vyzhnitsa Town Council renamed street after Orest Bylak – Nazi war criminal from 115 Schutzmannshaft Police battalion that took part in mass murders of Jews in Belorussia. In 1944 in France deserted and joined the Foreign Legion thus avoided punishment. Awarded Honorary Legion.
Ukraine has a well documented Nazi problem. Here are just a small part of the documentation in the past two years
December 8, 2023:
Kyiv City Council today renamed a People Friendship Boulevard into Mykola Mychnovskiy Boulevard – after Ukrainian Nationalist ideologist who wrote: «All people – your brothers, but Muscovites, Poles, Jews are enemies our people» and «Ukraine is for Ukrainians only».
February 7, 2022:
Antisemitic scene in Greek Catholic Church in Starychy, Ukraine. «Get out of our way, paysatye (Jews with payots). To have business with you is not to respect ourselves» – says participant of the nativity scene in red pants.
February 4, 2022
7 class Lviv school show Jews – Moshko and Sarah. Sarah introduces Moshko: «this is Moshko, takes a little, cheating, robbing, always with money. Hryvna, euro, cents – he will lend it with percent. And if you not return – he’ll get all your stuff, ask his advice and be cheated».
February 4, 2022
Ukrainian artist Roman Bonchuk demonstrates his painting «Jew with a pig» at his exhibition in Ivano-Frankivsk.
February 3, 2022
The Christmas Nativity Scene in Ukrainian Orthodox Church of Nizhniy Strutyn. The Jew Moshka proclaims the birth of Messiah who will give to «us, kikes with peysim a lot of money».
February 1, 2022
A video shows how unidentified male destroying Holocaust monument in Lysychansk, Ukraine in December, 2021. The monument since was restored and destroyed again on January 18, 2022. The monument stands on top of the mass grave of 800 Jews murdered by Nazis and local collaborators.
January 4, 2022
Commander of Ukrainian Voluntary Army (armed paramilitary formation) Dmytro Yarosh called the Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine «a Kremlin agent» and demanded to expel him. The statement came after the Israeli Ambassador Michael Brodsky condemned rally honoring Stepan Bandera in Kyiv
December 29, 2021
Ukrainian Parliament have decided to celebrate the 130th jubilee of Porfiriy Silenko-Kravets – the Nazi SS Galicia Division Hauptschturmfuhrer, who was awarded the Nazi Iron Cross II class in 1944.
December 28, 2021
Khmelnitsky Regional Council proclaimed 2022 as the year of UPA – Ukrainian nationalists paramilitary formation that perpetrated mass murders of some one hundred thousand peaceful Poles in Western Ukraine in 1943-44.
December 27, 2021
The Nazi war criminal, perpetrator of Holocaust, head of auxiliary police, mass murderer of more than 20, 000 Kolomya Jews and his modern monument. In 1944 deserted to UPA and took part in massacre of ethnic Poles. Killed in 1945.
December 19, 2021
Ukraine Parliament adopted resolution to mark jubilee of Yuriy Polyanskiy – Lviv Holocaust Nazi Burgmeister involved in the destruction of Jews, pogroms, murders of Polish intelligentsia. In 1944 escaped to Germany. Photo shows him greeting General Governor Hans Frank in Lviv.
November 24, 2021
Truskavets city authorities and public have celebrated 100th anniversary of the Nazi war criminal, mass murderer of thousands of Jews during Holocaust and Poles in UPA, commander of the Nazi Ukrainian Auxillary Police in 1941-44 – Roman Riznyak.
November 5, 2021
A monument in Oakville, Canada dedicated to Ukrainian nationalist Fedir Vororbets – commander of OUN militia, the perpetrators of Jewish pogroms and mass killings of hundreds of innocent Jews in Kostopil in summer of 1941. Vorobets was arrested and died in the Soviet prison.
November 3, 2021
A monument in Oakville, Canada dedicated to Ukrainian nationalist Fedir Vororbets – commander of OUN militia, the perpetrators of Jewish pogroms and mass killings of hundreds of innocent Jews in Kostopil in summer of 1941.
Vorobets was arrested and died in the Soviet prison.
October 24, 2021
Parliament of Ukraine adopted resolution calling President to bestow the Hero of Ukraine on 98-years old UPA’s officer Myroslav Symchych – twice convicted war criminal, murderer of 150 peaceful Poles in Pysten and Troitse villages in 1944.
September 27, 2021
The German Embassy in Ukraine will unveil a memorial stone dedicated to the Nazi collaborator, Burgermeister of Kyiv during Holocaust Volodymyr Bagaziy, who was directly involved in the mass extermination of up to 100, 000 Jews of Kyiv.
August 30, 2021
Honorary opening of a memorial to Kuzma Brychko – Ukrainian nationalists, who participated in mass murders of Jews during Holocaust and destruction of peaceful Polish population in the area of Rokitne during the Volyn Massacre*
August 26, 2021
Museum in memory of the war criminal Ivan Lytvynchuk was unveiled in Girka Polonka near Lutsk. Lytvynchuk is the perpetrator of Volyn Massacre and Holocaust in Sarny. His squad destroyed Polish villages Yanova Dolyna and Lypnyky, where they killed hundreds of Poles.
August 10, 2021
Lviv celebrates 100th anniversary of Nazi war criminal, head of Ukrainian Auxillary Police in Poland Volodymyr Schegelskiy. In 1949 Schegelskiy was executed in Poland for war crimes, mass murders of the Jewish and Polish population. Memorial plaque for Schegelsy installed in Lviv
July 16, 2021
«We have to honor the heroes who gave their lives for the most noble goal in their life – for the freedom and independence of our Ukraine. We have to raise our youth on this example», – says head of Zolochyv District State Administration about the Nazi SS Galizia Division.
July 22, 2021
For my [Eduard Dolinsky] activities exposing glorification of Nazi war criminals in Ukraine, nationalist- run website «Peacemaker» published my personal info and called me: «Ukrainepfobic, provocateur, manipulator, aggressor, spreading false info on antisemitism and nazism, demonizing Ukrainians»
July 17, 2021
Orthodox Church of Ukraine requiem service in honor of 114th anniversary of the Nazi war criminal Roman Shukhevych – Hauptmann of 201st Schutzmanshaft battalion, perpetrator of Volyn Massacre.
July 14, 2021
Memorial plaque to Nazi war criminal Oles Babiy – officer of murderous Einzats group that killed 34 thousand Jews in Kyiv in Babiy Yar. On July 11, 1943 the UPA group under Babiy command massacred two Polish villages and killed more than 300 people, including women and children.
July 6, 2021
In July of 1941 one of the OUN leaders Yaroslav Stetsko wrote: «I stand for the destruction of Jews and transfer to Ukraine the German methods of extermination of Jews». 80 years passed – Ukrainian children standing near monument to Yaroslav Stetsko.
July 5, 2021
On June 30th, when 80 years ago in Lviv took place the murdereous Jewish pogrom, the National Corps held a spiritualistic performance calling the spirit of the Nazi war criminal Roman Shukhevych.
June 13, 2021
Today’s State Honorary funeral of the Nazi SS Galizia Division veteran 94-years old Orest Vaskul in Kyiv, Ukraine. A Red-Black flag is a flag of OUN-UPA, organization of Ukrainian nationalists that actively participated in Holocaust and perpetrated the mass murder of ethnic Poles
June 10, 2021
Roman Shukhevych Museum in Tyshkyvtsy village named after the Nazi war criminal, perpetrator of Volyn massacre, Hauptmann of 201st Schutzmannshaft Battalion Roman Shukhevych.
May 27, 2021
Ukraine celebrating the Heroes Day. One of the heroes picked by the Ministry of Truth (Ukrainian National Memory Institute) is Yaroslav Stetsko – leader of OUN, who in 1941 called for «annihilation of Jews and transferring the German’s methods of extermination of Jews to Ukraine
may 26, 2021
Vinnitsa State Regional Museum is holding an exhibition dedicated to fight of OUN-UPA against Nazis. A stand dedicated to memory of Omelyan Grabets doesn’t say a word that he was head of Ukrainian Auxillary Police in Rovno, directly involved in the murder of 25 thousand Jews.
May 18, 2021
Monument to Nazi war criminal, head of Ukrainian Auxillary Police (Olszany, Poland) Grygoriy Yankivsky. In 1941-1944 Yankivsky took part in mass murders of Polish Jews, their deportation to death camps. The monument installed in Kalyniv, Ukraine.
May 9, 2021
Yesterday’s solemn ceremony in Lviv at the monument to the Nazi Waffen SS Galizia Division.
May 8, 2021
A memorial plaque in honor of the Nazi SS Galizia Division veteran Mykhaylo Mulyk was installed yesterday at the Glory Alley in Ivano-Frankivsk (former Stanislav). More than 30 thousand Jews were murdered by Nazis and their local collaborators in this city.
May 7, 2021
Ukrainian Scouts from Plast Youth Organization honoring the Nazi SS Galizia Division at the memorial near Brody, Ukraine where the SS division was defeated by the Red Army.
April 28, 2021
My Facebook profile was blocked for my post exposing today’s march in honor of the Nazi SS Galizia Division in Kyiv.
It seems to me that those who have written about Putin with intense hostility make the assumption that Putin is no different from Stalin. If Putin were simply the same as Stalin, I’d agree with all your statements.
However Putin does differ from Stalin and Mao. While he is certainly a Communist, and communism is the opposite of freedom, that still doesn’t make him into Stalin or Mao.
Putin is an Orthodox Christian and as such has not presided over a death cult like Stalin, Mao, and members of Hamas. The churches of Russia have been renovated and are incredibly beautiful. Also he is highly popular in Russia, much more so than Biden is in America. He is not popular by virtue of demanding complete loyalty as Stalin did, but because the people see him as wanting to make Russia a country that works for the people, a country they can be proud of.
He is repressive of some people, and apparently is responsible for murdering people he thought were harmful to the country. Obama did that as well. So it is a little difficult for Americans to make Putin out to be the devil incarnate when our own current President is doing all in his power to prevent his rival from even being on the ballot in this country. I think Biden is much more repressive of the American people than Putin is of his people. That is one reason Biden’s poll numbers keep dropping. People see him for the divisive, hateful, crook that he is.
It is a little odd to blame Putin for the war in Ukraine when Biden did the one thing that was likely to start the war, which was offer Ukraine membership in NATO. To understand Putin’s response you need to understand the context: When East Germany was becoming part of Germany, the US official, I think it was James Baker, promised the Russian Prime Minister at that time that NATO would not move “one inch” west beyond the borders of Germany. Take a look at the NATO map to see how much the US betrayed Russia since that time.
If you can only see Putin as irredeemable you will probably think it doesn’t matter, he is getting what he deserves. But if Putin isn’t Stalin or Mao, and he wants to protect his country the way we wish our President would protect our country, then you will have to recognize that serious harm was done to the relationship between the US and Russia not by Russia, but by the US.
So no, Putin isn’t my fairy godmother, but he also isn’t worse than Hitler. He is a nationalist, but so is Trump and Netanyahu. They all want what is best for their countries.
Netanyahu was able to work with Putin at points in Israeli history in “deconflicting,” in Syrian air space. That was as it should be.
That is why what Sergei Lavrov said is something I can agree with: both Russians and Israelis are fighting Nazis.
@Michael, Peloni is correct most of the GOP and a large part of Dems actually support Israel in its war versus Hamas. However, not all of those people want to send money for Ukraine. So it is not the same people in most cases.
RT is getting more sophisticated since I stopped reading it. I couldn’t wait to read the hundreds of rabid antisemitic comments that follow every RT article about the ME. But there are no comments! So there is no antisemitism in Russia. Remember, RT is a government publication, and before they fixed Russian antisemitism by ending comments, it was as bad as anything you see on nazi twitter.
@Michael
Actually, this is not true. This is why the US House wants to separate the bills for funding going to Ukraine and Israel. Also, Trump has made his position crystal clear that he does not support the war continuing in Ukraine but does in Israel.
@ppksky
Russia will seek out her own interests, and that is what they are doing here.
@janetlevy
Yet even accepting all that you state, I would suggest that it is not necessary to seek out an alliance between Israel and Russia in pursuit of their relative Nazi problems. Indeed, as you well describe reality,
I would only hope to live long enough to see the day in which Israel might do the same.
In fact, as is often quoted, nations do not have friends but interests, and it would be an important victory to see Israel and Russia recognize the fact that their interests are not so distinctly defined that they should not seek out what common ground might lay between them, much as had been done in the pre-Biden period.
Notably, Israel does not need Russia’s assistance in facing off against Hamas, just as Russia does not need Israel’s assistance in seeking out its ends in Ukraine. Yet, they each would benefit from Iran being greater restrained from where she stands today. Indeed, from the prospect of a nuclear Iran to the chaos being wrought across the Middle East to the exponential ruin being implemented against the world’s economies, Israel and Russia have significant common interests in dealing with the threat from Iran, even while appreciating that Iran is not perceived symmetrically between the two nations. Hence, such common interests as do exist between the two nations might be mutually served by some level of cooperation between the two nations, particularly as the current regime in Washington maintains its hostile position to Israel in every aspect as it relates to the Iranian question.
There are lots of similarities between the Ukrainian Nazis and the Hamas. That is undeniable . The similarities stop there. Larov sometimes hitting the nail on the head.
There are lots of similarities between the Ukrainian Nazis and the Hamas. That is undeniable . The similarities stop there. Laro sometimes hitting the nail on the head.
A response to the SF Chronicle Sunday article, “For the Jews of the left, …”
That’s my substack post. Here is a quote from that,
Ukraine is a Bandarist state that uses Zalensky, who is avowed to be Jewish, as a fig leaf to cover up its blatant anti-Russian racism.
I am a little stunned to hear the Lavrov might compare Israel’s war in Gaza with Russia’s war against the Nazi loving Ukrainians in the West. I always thought he was a stalwart defender of the Palestinian cause.
Hi, Peloni
I doubt it. How old is the UAE (Trucial Oman) vs. Iran dispute over the islands? A hundred years? Two hundred? The Iranians haven’t raised a stink over this, and Al Jazeera is completely mum over the matter. Frankly, my dear, nobody gives a d-mn about it.
I’m glad to see that Bear, Adam and Laura have gotten their collective foot in the door here before the Russophiles take over. Before they do, let me sneak in one opinion: For the most part, the same Americans who oppose supporting the Ukraine, also oppose supporting Israel — and for the same reason: Both adventures require lots of
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
which American workers haven’t got a lot of lately. Nobody gives a rat’s behind about Bandar, Jabotinsky, Arafat; and most people know nothing of either Israel or Ukraine, other than what the talking heads tell them. They do care about the cost of food and gasoline, though, and the high cost of finding a place to live. That trumps pretty much everything, and it should.
Expecting people to support Israel, but to NOT support Ukraine, simply makes no sense to most people, and it should. As for listening to Lavrov, let me put it this way: The US, Israel, Japan and NATO are at war with China, North Korea, Iran and Russia, and have been for years. Since February, 1922, that has disintegrated into a shooting war, the most intense and dangerous since WWII. Lavrov is to Putin, as Goebbels was to Hitler. If it made sense during WWII, to entertain Goebbels’ propaganda, then it makes sense now for Americans and Israelis to listen to Lavrov.
I’m looking forward to a day off. Everyone enjoy yourselves, and fight nice. 🙂
What a crock of shit. Russia is acting as the nazis, not fighting them. How stupid is anyone to believe that the Jewish president of Ukraine is a nazi along with his forces? It’s amazing that the western right has fallen for this ridiculously laughable propaganda. I’m honestly confounded by the support Putin has among western right-wingers. Furthermore, Russia is actually allied with hamas and Iran and in my view had a hand in 10/7.
@Bear Klein. I agree with you about Ukraine and Russia, and Jews are not Nazis, Jews are not the leaders of a Nazi state. All Russian propaganda, but a lot of people in the West and Israel fall for it.
https://www.israpundit.org/63688531-2/
Though of course, the devil is in the details and no statement is always true. In the case of Yesha including Gaza, the opposite is the case.
Hamas are actual Nazis. Ukraine is not a Nazi state. Jews are not the leaders of a Nazi state. That is just Russian propaganda trying to justify its land grabs.
Russians will find reasons to justify their land grabs. Just Russian Historic Nationalism playing out in the 2000s. They historically want to grab more land and find reasons to take other people’s sovereign countries or parts of them!
I’m not so sure Russia is a reliable “anti-Nazi” partner for Israel. The Russians follow whatever path is most expedient to achieve their objectives. Their goal to take control of Ukraine is well-served by using the Nazi card, which plays well in the international press. Inconceivably, Nazism (National Socialism) is still viewed as far worse than Communism, although the latter oppressed and exterminated far more people.
Let’s not forget about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact signed by the Soviet Union in 1939 – a non-aggression Nazi-Russian partnership that secretly established Soviet and German spheres of influence in eastern Europe. Estonia, Latvia and Moldavia were to fall under Soviet control and the signatories agreed to divide Poland.
Also, keep in mind that the “Palestinian” story germinated in Russia and that Arafat and Abbas were trained by the KGB. (Khamenei is a graduate of Patrice Lumumba University). How do these Russian-incubated monsters differ from the Nazis?