I agree with Greenfield. If we have Assad/ Iran/Rusia in Syria, the West will support us. If the MB take over supported by S. Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, the US and the EU, the US and the EU will restrain us just as they do when we confront Hamas or Fatah in J&S or Gaza. Ted Belman
Why Bombing Syria Will Not Help Israel
By Daniel Greenfield, FPM
One of the more familiar arguments for bombing Syria is that it will help Israel.
Israel doesn’t need that kind of help. Israelis successfully destroyed a Syrian nuclear reactor in 2007. During the Syrian Civil War, Israel has carried out a number of strikes against Syrian targets. If anything, NATO intervention will stifle Israel’s ability to operate in Syrian airspace as it is kept out of the fight for political reasons to avoid offending Muslims; the same way that it happened during the Gulf War.
Syria, Iran and Hezbollah have all threatened, openly or covertly, to bomb Israel if an attack happens. And there is every reason for them to do it. Drawing Israel into the conflict is the trump card of Muslim countries worried about being bombed by the United States. The one thing that panics NATO more than anything else is having the Muslim world think that it is fighting Israel’s war. And it is likely to counter that by preventing Israel from fighting back.
On the security front, the total collapse of Israel’s border with Syria into armed terrorist camps is far more disastrous than an Assad victory. Combined with the growing unrest in the Sinai, Israel is being confronted with dangerously unstable borders held by terrorist groups on almost all sides.
Assad is a dangerous enemy, but one that can be checkmated through threats of retaliation. The Jihadists taking his place have no country and will hide behind a civilian population of human shields forcing Israel to play the same defeatist humanitarian games to minimize civilian casualties as in Gaza.
The Arab Spring has brought Israel to the brink of facing Hamas’ Muslim Brotherhood parent group in Egypt and in Syria. Considering how much damage Hamas managed to do by using human shields to prevent Israel from striking back, life on the Golan Heights could become very ugly indeed.
Furthermore a Muslim Brotherhood victory in Syria would endanger Jordan. A Muslim Brotherhood Syria would be in an excellent position to bring down the Jordanian monarchy, arm Jordanian Palestinians and take down Israel’s last stable border.
Morsi sowed chaos in the Sinai during his very brief rule. A Muslim Brotherhood regime in Syria consolidating power completely after a bloody civil war would have even more freedom of action.
Those arguing for intervention often bring up Iran. But the motives for bombing Syria have nothing to do with Iran. The best evidence for that is that Samantha Power, Obama’s ambassador to the UN, actually spent a good deal of time trying to reach out to Iran and convince the regime to cut ties with Syria over its supposed WMD use.
If stopping Syrian WMDs were really a step on the path to stopping Iranian WMDs, Samantha Power would not have followed such an absurd course. Instead Power and Obama want to negotiate with Iran, but want to bomb Syria.
It’s not Iranian WMDs that they are concerned with. It’s helping the Sunni rebels win in Syria. And rebel victories in Syria are far more likely to put WMDs into the hands of terrorists than the status quo.
Likewise the claim that Obama’s credibility on Syria must be preserved to protect his credibility on Iran is without substance. Credibility is only an issue with Iran if we assume that any amount of pressure or sanctions could compel it to give up its nuclear program. No such methods have worked or will work.
The sanctions regime is nothing but a delaying tactic to allow Iran to complete its nuclear program. Discrediting the idea that Iran can be intimidated into giving up its nuclear program is the best way to shortcut to an intervention that might actually stop Iran from going fully nuclear.
Obama has some credibility when it comes to bombing Syria. He has no credibility when it comes to bombing Iran. The sooner that Israel and everyone else understand that, the sooner Israel will be free to take whatever steps it needs to and that will free us from playing along with Iran’s negotiations maze that leads nowhere except toward the inevitability of an Iranian nuclear bomb.
Iran knows that Obama wants to bomb Syria as part of a pro-Sunni intervention in a regional religious war on behalf of Saudi Arabia and that this project has little overlap with its nuclear plans for Tel Aviv. Credibility in fighting Saudi Arabia’s war is not the same thing as credibility in standing up for a country that Obama has spent two terms kicking around.
The United States bombed Iran for Kuwait in 1988 and Iraq for Kuwait in 1991. And then we bombed Libya for Saudi Arabia in 2011 and we are now contemplating bombing Syria for Saudi Arabia in 2013. It has been reliably established that if a Muslim country with oil really needs us to bomb someone, we will do it. But Israel is in a different category. It isn’t an oil-rich Muslim country.
Bombing Syria adds no deterrence or credibility to an Iranian nuclear scenario. It only warns Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that he can nuke Israel, but that he had better not touch Saudi Arabia.
Obama wrangled Israel into an awkward Sunni Islamist coalition between Erdogan’s Turkey, the House of Saud and Morsi’s Egypt. And Prime Minister Netanyahu went along with it. But now Egypt is bowing out of the Islamist camp and returning to the way things were before the chaos of the Arab Spring.
It is in Israel’s interest to likewise reset the situation in Syria.
The Hezbollah-Syria-Iran weapons pipeline will remain a threat, but the Shiite axis will be more isolated than ever and the Shiite devil you know may be better than a Muslim Brotherhood axis menacing Israel across multiple borders with the support of Washington D.C. And a more stable region with fewer militias raiding WMD compounds will be good for Israel.
The Middle East of four years ago was not an extraordinarily good place for Israel, but it was a better place than it is today. Israel could do worse than a regional reset. The Arab Spring in North Africa may be irreversible, but in its immediate neighborhood it is already being reversed.
Bombing Syria will not help Israel, which will be in the firing line for a war being fought to benefit Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
And the Muslim Brotherhood.
@ yamit82:
This is my preference: http://www.hwlongfellow.org/poems_poem.php?pid=62
yamit82 Said:
Tex say”during the act”?,”beats couting down from 100″!!!!!!!!!
yamit82 Said:
http://youtu.be/gwG47G-44XE
honeybee Said:
Whatever works…?
Used to date some hot missionaries when I was in college, I would recite John 3:16 during the act. They would go…!!!
“And unto the christians I became as a christian, that I might gain the christians; to them that are not under the law, that I might gain them that are not under the law;” I Cor: 9:20
“When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.” 1 Corinthians 13:11
yamit82 Said:
Tex wants to know if Hebrews do it missionary style?
@ yamit82:
Tough Texas Jewess: http://www.texasescapes.com/MikeCoxTexasTales/254-Lady-Doc.htm
@ honeybee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky623U8C7LE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYOzhjc4XX8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7EWTJxlAcc
@ honeybee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7XT0_enaQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BCrAGKcZnA
yamit82 Said:
http://youtu.be/EDQIceEHfzY
@ honeybee:
THE SONG OF SONGS
Morenika/She’charchoret- Morenica
“I am black but comely, O daughters of Jerusalem! Like the tents of Kedar, like the curtains of Solomon.”
“Do not look upon me [disdainfully] because I am swarthy, for the sun has gazed upon me; my mother’s sons were incensed against me; they made me a keeper of the vineyards; my own vineyard I did not keep.”
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16445
yamit82 Said:
Ectasy and celabration: http://youtu.be/GwtyQgbhoyo
yamit82 Said:
mmmmmmmmmmm :http://youtu.be/_dDF_SuPe2c
yamit82 Said:
A lot of seduction: http://youtu.be/WuaTjZtKuoU
yamit82 Said:
A Little romance: http://youtu.be/4LwLJyosQig
@ honeybee:
Falling in love, in Hebrew
honeybee Said:
Sex is not shameful, sinful or obscene. Sex is no more evil than hunger or thirst. Try it You’ll like it. 😉
yamit82 Said:
To for go the pleasures of this world in penance for you sins of the flesh: http://youtu.be/nPqT031SWT4
honeybee Said:
Why would I do that?
yamit82 Said:
You give that up too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
honeybee Said:
Fast is over here!!! 🙂
“Buns in the Bed”
That’s what I had in mind. 😉
What’s the difference between biscuits and buns????
Buttermilk-Biscuits
1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
1 1/2 tablespoons sugar
1 1/2 teaspoons baking powder
Rounded 1/4 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/2 stick (1/4 cup) cold unsalted butter, cut into 1/2-inch cubes
3/4 cup well-shaken buttermilk
1 tablespoon milk or cream for brushing biscuits
Buns:
2 cups all-purpose flour, or more if needed
1 envelope RapidRise Yeast
2 tablespoons sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 cup milk
1/4 cup water
2 tablespoons butter OR margarine
@ Shy Guy:
What nice pre-fas nosh,got butter!!!!!!!!!!
yamit82 Said:
Its “Get Your Bisquits in the Oven and Your Buns in the Bed”,but arn’t your fasting today????????
yamit82 Said:
Murderer!!!
honeybee Said:
Yes but not exclusively and who can reject being pampered and spoiled now and again? I have a special fondness for Hot buns right out of the oven.
yamit82 Said:
only the hungry,but you do your own cooking.sweetie pie???????????????????
@ yamit82:
This suits you,Sugar: http://youtu.be/gXoLX57NhWs