The EU is thus negating the provisions of Oslo and negating negotiations. The occupation is legal, the settlements are legal and Oslo and R242 permits both. The EU is our enemy. Ted Belman
Israeli officials on Tuesday slammed an EU directive that will bar all 28 member states from dealings with Jewish communities located beyond the 1949 Armistice lines, including eastern Jerusalem.
A high-ranking official, who requested anonymity, described the European Union’s move as a disproportionate “attack” on Israel.
“When it comes to disputed territories, the Europeans prefer to attack a small country like Israel instead of taking on more powerful states, because they’re afraid of retaliation.”
Israel was “only informed of the directive at the last moment,” he added.
The directive, due to be published on Friday and take effect from 2014, forbids EU member states from funding or dealing with Israeli communities in the Golan Heights, Judea, Samaria and eastern Jerusalem, according to reports.
It requires a clear distinction to be made in all signed agreements, between Israel and the territories it occupied in the 1967 Six Day War.
EU spokesman David Kriss told AFP: “These are guidelines on the eligibility of Israeli entities and their activity in the territories occupied by Israel since June 1967 for grants, prizes and financial instruments funded by the EU from 2014 onwards.
“It makes a distinction between Israel and the entities in the West Bank, east Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights,” he said.
Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Ze’ev Elkin told army radio the Europeans had made a “mistake” and that the directive would undermine any return to peace talks with the Palestinians.
“It’s a very worrying initiative launched at a bad time, because it only reinforces the Palestinians’ refusal to restart negotiations,” he said.
Kriss said the EU wanted Israel to cooperate fully with the directive to ensure its “participation in projects between 2014 and 2020.”
But Elkin told the Haaretz newspaper: “We are not ready to sign on this clause in our agreements with the European Union,” but admitted that the refusal could “halt all cooperation in economics… (and) cause severe damage to Israel.”
Palestinian leaders say they will only resume direct negotiations with Israel if they are held on the basis of the lines that existed before 1967, and if Israel freezes all settlement activity in Judea and Samaria.
Israel insists they must be held “without preconditions.”
Yesterday, Communications Minister Gilad Erdan accused the Palestinian Authority for setting unreasonable preconditions to talks, claiming they were seeking to start talks “from the finish line.”
@ GTH_Noor:
Shabbat Shalom! Let your soul be nourished!!
the phoenix Said:
Amen
CuriousAmerican Said:
CuriousAmerican Said:
Being witty is a real achievement for Dove, you done good girl!!!!!!!!!!!!
CuriousAmerican Said:
You bet your sweet back-side it is!!!!!!!!!!Chiquito
@ GTH_Noor:
No it is not the same everywhere but it is a good idea. You need support from fellow Jews. Your right, being a former Muslim has an advantage for you as you were already half way there since your roots come from the same as the Jews. (Abraham)
@ CuriousAmerican:
What you don’t get, or better put, refuse to admit is the very simple fact that us JEWS have a very very long list of crimes atrocities and horrors inflicted upon us, BECAUSE WE ARE JEWS! Just because there is a Vichy government presently in Israel, it should not, must not be confused with the people’s will.
I have not seen ANY record of outrage or even condemnation by a nonjew for the atrocities committed against my people (save your breath, american! BESIDES, Emile Zola….who else exactly was there to champion the case for the JEWS?)
As I have said many times, you slither to this forum repeatedly, and keep exposing the antisemitic garbage that you must have been fed since early childhood. For you see, american, it is not that we have a chip on our shoulder, you hypocrite. It is very simply that we refuse to go along and just play nice…
In fact, I am sick and tired of Jews playing nice.
You have the GALL to come here on this forum and talk about the suffering of the Arabs ??? Just FOR THAT, in my opinion, your face should be rearranged…
WHAT SUFFERING ?
Can’t you antisemitic bastard understand that the late rabbi Kahane’s recommendations were the most humane solutions allowing life to go on?!?!? And with dignity for both sides?
Where the hell were you and your ilk, when population transfers were done without a second thought??? That did not involve the Jews so then, I guess it was ok. Right?
You hypocritical bastard!
I think it is extremely important, as tedious as this may be, to refute and keep asking the same questions , (just like this bastard never tires of his one note song), namely, WHERE the hell were all these oh, sensitive (bunch of hypocrites) humanists (the line is drawn when it involves the Jews, though…), and human rights activists (world wide gathering of antisemites under one banner) when atrocities escaping description were directed at the Jews?
So take that little ‘pay them to leave’ little note of yours and shove it!
Shy Guy Said:
Part of my Reform conversion is I believe ‘striving’ to get there. I can learn Hebrew and I am learning about the religion but I am also getting a foot in. At least with Reform there is a way in, and one can ‘progress’ and learn. There is no pressure to conform, I have to say even though I do not agree with all of Reform Judaism’s theology, they are very welcoming and do not pressure. They always say I am free to leave or try other denominations if I am not happy. I found the Orthodox Rabbis very intimidating, which I know is their way of testing, but to insist that potential converts live in a Jewish area is not always easy, particularly if you own your own home which I do. It would take a while to sell and move. In the meantime, I can learn Judaism and Hebrew and become a Reform Jew, then ‘move on’ and convert to Orthodox. It will be easier.
@ GTH_Noor:
If I may comment: If you wish to do G-d’s will, it would be better for you to be a Ben Noach and not to have anything to do with the sect of reform(ed) Judaism, whose foundations are the exact opposite of the Torah. If you strive to eventually become a Torah observant Jew, you will find the way there, if you will it and with a little help from Hashem.
@ dove:
dove Said:
I don’t appease, I do it because I believe it, it’s easier for me than others in my programme because of similarities in law for example kashrut, I already was aware of. Although I do agree with you, that I’ll probably move on and go onto another denomination, I can always go onto the one I wanted to do when I can move. Is this the same everywhere? Potential converts have to live in a Jewish area?
CuriousAmerican Said:
Is that so? Can a PA Arab leave Judea and Samaria without going through a military checkpoint?
Ultimately the government which controls their borders, and even issues their IDs is Israel.
Even though I support Israel, I am not going to say the Arab’s circumstances are nice. They are under Israeli Military law.
That was witty dove.
CuriousAmerican Said:
@ GTH_Noor:
This is true. A convert is expected to be more observant than those born Jewish. Don’t let other Jews guilt trip you. Don’t do this to either appease or displease the Jewish people. Do this for yourself only. Be as observant as you choose as G-d is gracious to new converts. You can celebrate Shabbat at home if you like – although it is good to also be with the ‘new fam’. Also, try to create a balance for you will learn that Judaism really is a way of life – religion is really not what it is suppose to be all about.
dove Said:
Is that how it is? Over here, I’ve found that born Jews are mostly cultural Jews. Non practicing and it’s us under supervision who are more observant. Those under conversion are expected to attend shul regularly. Lessons once a week, and Shabbot services. Almost a year now.
@ GTH_Noor:
Good for you. Take it slow. Do what is best for you. You are not expected to follow the 613 commandments as born Jews are. That will come in time. You will be more blessed – for you chose. If down the road Reform is not working for you any longer you can always move on. Every denomination has it struggles.
Again you propagate your lies. 90% of the maggots live under the PA and are subject to their own laws. Period. The IDF after incessant attacks on Jews in Israel Buses, supermarkets and coffee houses reinserted them selves into all of Y&S but have no interest in disrupting or assuming civil control over the PA. They exist outside of main PA population centers and only enter in pursuit of suspected and or known terrorists , militants what ever you deem to call them. All local civil and criminal matters are handled without any Israeli interference by the maggots themselves.
They have their own laws, judicial system, courts, judges, police and prisons.
Only those Arabs non Israeli citizens living in areas under administrative control by Israel through the military government and it’s adjunct civil authority are tried and adjudicated by the civil administration magistrates, as are Jews for non criminal offenses. Very few Arab maggots are affected by this process and they are treated with more deference than Jews and without argument by their fellow palis in PA courts.
Every Palis non citizen has the right to petition an Israeli Jewish court for redress and Palis lawyers are a permanent fixture in all our courts. Here too they are treated with in MO, too much deference. The civil administration is anti Israel and anti Jewish and their rulings and recommendations usually favor the Arabs over the Jews, Same as our Israeli Liberal Judges tend to rule in our court system. Call it reverse discrimination.
In any even your main contention “that the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria are under Military Law, while Jewish pioneers are under Civil Law. This is true. If a Jewish kid gets into a fight with a Palestinian kid — the Jewish kid has Civil Rights, while the Palestinian kid is under martial law.” Is a Lie and makes you a liar.
Thsoe few Arab maggots where they do come under IDF administrative laws I guarantee that if you asked them which they would prefer the IDF adminstrative rule or PA rule they would choose the IDF by a slam dunk.
Your premise of maltreatment is an unproven calumny and the sources you did site are the most radical anti-Israel groups in the country all funded by anti-Israel and anti_Jewish sources. That you chose to use them to base your claim is telling, not about them a known quantity but you.
Funny who an atheist commie and a Jew hating missionary are finding common cause. They do have at least one mutual common agenda.
Funny how the Jews bring out the best in our enemies. We supply them with common ground. 🙂
Thanks for your support.
This is a hyper-right wing group.
It is not enough that one supports Israel, one can never say anything good about Christianity, or ever criticize Israel once — Or they condemn you — even if the criticism is valid.
For ex: While I support Israel’s claim to the land, I noted – quite accurately – that the Palestinians in Judea and Samaria are under Military Law, while Jewish pioneers are under Civil Law. This is true. If a Jewish kid gets into a fight with a Palestinian kid — the Jewish kid has Civil Rights, while the Palestinian kid is under martial law.
This is true. I have heard it from many Israel sources.
I linked to a picture chart explaining the differences.
Well, Yamit82 was furious.
He did not like the source. It did not matter than the facts were right. He just did not like the source and accused me of all but being a Nazi.
Some of the group here have a chip on their shoulder and I suspect many of them hate Gentiles.
It is not enough that one supports Israel; one has to adopt an extremist Kach line, and get a achadenfreude from the suffering of Arabs – and recommend their ethnic cleansing – or they call you an anti-semite.
I think Islam is nuts.
I think Israel should annex J&S
But I do think many Palestinians have been abused. (That is going to start a firestorm) I dislike Islam, but I do not like to see them abused. NOR do I like to see Jews abused.
I think the Palestinians should be paid to leave.
Israel has the better claim to the land, but like all humans, acts imperfectly at times.
The Arabs are nuts, because of Islam, but should not be abused.
@ dove:
Thank you. dove Said:
Thanks. I wanted to convert to Orthodox Judaism, but the condition for conversion is that you must live in an Orthodox Jewish area, here in the UK.
The Reform conversion programme had no such conditions. I am not totally comfortable, with all of Reform Judaism’s teachings, I tend to agree more with the Orthodox. I did also approach an online Rabbi, who said to me it is sufficient to follow the 7 Noahide laws, which according to them I already was a Muslim. So I joined the Reform conversion programme due to end soon, with my taking a Mikveh.
CuriousAmerican Said:
you use the appearance of “balance” disingenuously as a tactic to degrade Jews. You are disappointed that you have been found out and cast a bushel of red herrings about as a distraction. You seek the cover of “reason” to mask your agenda. Reason has nothing to do with your repetitive behaviour. The emperor thought he was right when the whole world saw the obvious. Get a new outfit, perhaps that will do the trick 🙂
Felix Quigley Said:
both yourself and CA write in order to push your ideologies/religions(trotskyism and christianity) and all the arguments end up there. obviously this has been noticed, similarly to the emperors clothes,and therefore credibility has been lost.
GTH_Noor Said:
Get real, Sugar, Australia ust discoered the world’s largest deposit of oil shale. You know what they cal windmills in Texas, BIRD GRINDERS!!!!!!!!!!!
@ GTH_Noor:
Good for you! Your soul was hungry and thirsty to be led to a path that would be right for you!
@ Felix Quigley:
@ CuriousAmerican:
For Yamit 82 from his most ardent admireres!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://youtu.be/rvfkcMaqGdw
@ CuriousAmerican:
He just does not seem to grasp that if I want to convert Muslims, then I could not be a Muslim lover per se.
I’m a muslim going through a Reform Judaism conversion. If the soul feels a calling, it will come, nobody tried to proselytise me, I discovered myself that Judaism was the way for me.
@ CuriousAmerican:
@ honeybee:
Oil is not the future. Green technology is. Fracking. Alternative fuels. Oil is going going gone.