Bibi is between a rock and a hard place. He doesn’t want to invade yet he can’t let Hamas dictate terms. Hamas want them to invade so that deaths go up on both sides. Israel’s greatest concern is international condemnation. So apparently Hamas has established deterrence, not Israel.
From Israel’s point of view either accept a ceasefire now that she doesn’t like or accept one after invading that she doesn’t like or going in to stay.
My suggestion to Bibi is to invade with the goal of occupying the northern part of Gaza and the Philidelphi Corridor rather than to destroy Hamas. This would greatly reduce the death toll on both sides and will not be seen as a humiliating defeat of Israel. Then Israel should demand an agreement to their liking as the cost of vacating. Res 242 all over again. Ted Belman
Instead of settling for achieved goals, government tormented by how to emerge from Gaza op with sense of victory
Of all the merits of the Iron Dome system, my favorite is its ability to distinguish between a malignant missile and a benign missile, between a dangerous enemy and an insignificant enemy, between the wheat and the chaff. Had the Americans been required to develop such a system, they would have programmed it to fire at anything that flies, regardless of the cost. They go for quantity; we go for quality. They go for destruction; we go for distinction. In short, Israeli pride.
During one of my long nights in Beersheba, between one Color Red alert to another, I thought to myself: It’s a shame that Netanyahu isn’t an iron dome. He has learned so many important things throughout his many years in politics, but he hasn’t learned to separate the wheat from the chaff, to distinguish between a dangerous enemy and an insignificant one.
Operation Pillar of Defense was meant to replicate Operation Cast Lead of four years ago, with some marginal improvements. The IDF, at the instructions of Defense Minister Ehud Barak, perceived the operation as one round of many: There were rules to the game between Israel and Hamas. The rules were gradually worn out to our disadvantage, both in terms of the Palestinians’ activity against the IDF and in terms of the permission Hamas gave to itself and to other organizations to fire rockets at Israeli communities. The IDF will deal the organizations a series of blows from the air. Egypt will intervene. A ceasefire will be obtained, based on the previous rules of the game. And then the rules will wear out again, and there will be another round, and another wear out, and another round.
Everyone understood that only two moves could break the vicious circle: Occupying Gaza and keeping it under the control of IDF soldiers, or accepting Hamas. Netanyahu won’t agree to either one of them.
The lessons learned from Operation Cast Lead were tactical: The intelligence improved, allowing Israel to bomb more important targets on the day the operation was launched; the use of different aircraft improved; the number of casualties among Gaza’s civilians was significantly reduced; and, of course, the Israelis in southern and central Israel felt more protected thanks to the Iron Dome system.
But they didn’t change anything in the essence. After five days of fighting, the government faces the same dilemma the previous government was tormented by: Hamas is not giving up; its regime has not collapsed; Ismail Haniyeh has not come out of the bunker with his hands up. On the contrary – Hamas continues to fire rockets, and even if it fails to kill Israelis, it definitely disrupts their life, from Beersheba to Tel Aviv.
What is the right thing to do?
Compared to Cast Lead, the conditions have even become worse: Then, Israel was able to recruit Egypt to force a ceasefire on Hamas. Today, the Egyptian government’s heart lies with Hamas. It is interested in a ceasefire, but one which will present Hamas as the winner. Then, a large part of the Arab world hoped for Hamas’ downfall. Today, those same governments stand by Hamas.
What is the right thing to do? Over the weekend, Netanyahu realized that there is a problem. An Israeli agreement to end the operation with tilting the balance, with a feeling of a tie, will not be seen favorably by the public. That’s what happened at the end of Cast Lead: The voters were disappointed, and in the elections held three weeks later they transferred two Knesset seats from Kadima to the Right. Then, Netanyahu was on the benefiting side. Now he’s on the responsible side.
He chose a different way: To threaten Egypt and Hamas with a ground offensive. Barak, who as defense minister in Cast Lead pushed for a ground offensive at precisely this stage, saw no choice but to join the threats. The call up of reserve soldiers was aimed at validating these threats.
When making threats, it’s not enough to call up forces. You must convince everyone that a ground offensive has a purpose justifying the cost – fallen soldiers, the killing of civilians on the other side, the loss of international support. In Barak’s instructions to the IDF, he made it clear that he does not believe a ground offensive will change the situation. He stuck to the minor goals he had set. Five days have passed since then.
And so once again, like in 2006 and in 2008, Israel finds itself on the brink of entanglement. Instead of settling for the goals it achieved, the political echelon is tormented by how to emerge from this affair with a sense of victory. What will they say in Gaza, what will they say in the Arab world and, most importantly, what will Israeli voters say in two months. What about credibility? The government learns once again what its predecessors had already learned: All beginnings are easy, but the way out is the hardest.
Got to disagree with this conclusion. this would be an opportune time to repudiate 242 on the basis that the paradigm it is based on, land for peace, is now totally discredited. Israel should state that all such prognostications are on hold until the state reevaluates its future in the light of ongoing violence from gaza and ongoing failure to achieve peace, non incitement with the PA. Israel should state its refusal to be pressured into any more agreements until a new policy is formed. Furthermore, 242 is in contradiction of Balfour, san remo, LON mandate and UN charter and at the time Israel was illegally pressured under duress to accept this swindling by the international community of global jewry’s interest in YS. The Levy report has not had the amount of opposition envisaged, I believe this is because it is realized that Israels claims to YS are internationally legally binding and that Israel might proceed unilaterally, with every right, to abandon false suggestions and secure the interests of Jews
This dilemna stems from the fear of casualties among Gazas “Civilian” population. This is why Israel will never again have a decisive victory. As I said yesterday, given their support of hamas and brainwashing their children in Jew-hatred, these civilians are not innocent.
I really do think the situation is far more advanced than this. I agree with Ted do that but only with the aim of totally destroying Hamas/fatah…Now is the rime…My analysis today…http://trotskyism.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/eliminate-fatah-and-hamas-now-to-prepare-the-way-to-deal-with-iran-bomb/(yesterday) and today http://trotskyism.wordpress.com/2012/11/20/no-ceasefire-jews-and-israel-on-their-own-obama-will-aid-the-enemy/
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