Israel’s Fate Hangs in the Balance

Is Benny Morris’s new Assessment Right?

By Ron Radosh, PYJAMAS MEDIA

The fate of Israel should be of concern not to just Jews and Israelis, but to everyone who lives in the United States. No one has made that point more powerfully than Pastor John C. Hagee at Restoration Weekend. You can find the video and text of his speech here [1].

Pastor Hagee’s effort in creating Christians United for Israel, which now has 500,000 members and is undoubtedly the most effective lobbying group on behalf of Israel in the country, speaks for itself. The good pastor knows that the West is in a war against radical Islam, and that the Jewish people are, as he puts it, “the canary in our coalmine.”

He goes on to say that “it is the Jewish State in particular that serves as the West’s warning system. America must wake up to the understanding that Iran fully intends to destroy the United States of America. When someone threatens to kill you, you should take it seriously. We must recognize those who threaten Israel have the United States in their sights. To anyone with eyes to see and ears that hear, it is clear that Israel is in the greatest danger it has faced since six Arab armies tried to strangle the Jewish State in the birth canal in 1948.” He then made this point:

    “Your fight is our fight; your enemies are our enemies. We’re in this together to the end. Ladies and gentlemen, it’s a new day in America. The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. Christians are joining Jews in speaking out against militant Islam. As you know, Ahmadinejad poses a threat to the State of Israel that promises nothing less than a nuclear holocaust.”

There is no ambivalence or equivocation in Pastor Hagee’s words. He says, point blank:

    “Once again, those who would appease seek to do so at the expense of Israel. Israel is always the one called upon to sacrifice. They tell us that if we want the Sunnis and the Shiites to stop massacring each other in Iraq, then Israel must give up land. And if we want the Syrians and Hezbollah to stop murdering the leaders of Lebanon, then Israel must give up land. And if we want the Saudis to permit women to drive or vote, the obvious answer is that Israel should give up more land.”

He knows why there is no peace, and the answer is simple:

    “The problem is Arab rejection of Israel’s right to exist. The problem is Israel does not have a legitimate partner for peace. The problem is radical Islam’s bloodthirsty embrace of a theocratic dictatorship that believes they have a mandate from God to kill Christians and Jews. The problem is the failure of moderates in the Arab and Muslim world to stand up and rein in these Islamic terrorists.”

This is the truth that seems to elude not only President Barack Obama, but so many of the would-be wise men in our own country. All this came to mind when I read the very depressing but necessary assessment [2] by Israeli historian Benny Morris, which appears in the new edition of Tablet magazine. Both Morris, an Israeli, and Pastor Hagee, an American Christian Zionist, know how serious an enemy Israel and America face, and both know that little time remains to tell the world that they must now, before it is too late, force our allies and our government to stop Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb.


Morris raises the issue of the elusive and evidently never-ending search of each new presidential administration to revive the so-called “peace process,” which, as we all know, is more of a joke than it ever was. He raises the issue of what is standing in the way of a two-state solution, that of a Palestinian state living in peace next to its neighbor Israel, and which the various doves in American Jewish circles — primarily the J-Street crowd and the now rather lame Americans for Peace Now group — constantly proclaim is their effort, and which they argue can be reached if only Israel makes necessary concessions.

The truth is that existed in 1947, when the UN voted on Nov.29 to create a Jewish and an Arab state side by side in the old British Mandate, which was due to be given up on May 15th of 1948. The Arab side, as my wife and I related in our book [3] A Safe Haven: Harry S. Truman and the Founding of Israel, was put forth most clearly in a pamphlet published by the Arab League. It stated:

    “The whole Arab people is unalterably opposed to the attempt to impose Jewish immigration and settlement upon it, and ultimately to establish a Jewish State in Palestine.”

They vowed to drench the Holy Land “with the last drop of our blood in the lawful defense of all and every inch of it.” Their demand was simple: “No partition, no further Jewish immigration and no Jewish State.” They would only accept what they called an “independent, democratic Arab state, embracing all of Palestine.” Of course it would be an Islamic state, and Jews would be in a status of dhimmitude, accepting their given role as a small minority beholden to Islamic law and rule.

Benny Morris understands that for the Arab mentality, little has changed since 1948 and the creation of the Jewish State. The first reason no peace is possible, he writes, “the one that American and European officials never express and — if impolitely mentioned in their presence — turn away from in distaste, is that Palestinian political elites, of both the so-called ’secular’ and Islamist varieties, are dead set against partitioning the Land of Israel/Palestine with the Jews.” Morris continues:

    “They regard all of Palestine as their patrimony and believe that it will eventually be theirs. History, because of demography and the steady empowerment of the Arab and Islamic worlds and the West’s growing alienation from Israel, and because of Allah’s wishes, is, they believe, on their side. They do not want a permanent two-state solution, with a Palestinian Arab state co-existing alongside a (larger) Jewish state; they will not compromise on this core belief and do not believe, on moral or practical grounds, that they should.”

The truth, Morris believes, cannot be mentioned by our statesman, because if the Palestinian and Arab position is accurately stated, it means that

    “the Israeli-Arab conflict has no resolution apart from the complete victory of one side or the other (with the corollary of expulsion, or annihilation, by one side of the other) — which leaves leaders like President Barack Obama with nowhere realistic to go with regard to the conflict. Philosophically, acceptance of the rock-like unpliability of this reality is extremely problematic, given the ongoing military and philosophical clash between the West and various forces in the Islamic world.”

Instead of facing this truth and trying to decide what is to be done, our leaders continue on with the farce of always trying to resurrect a peace process that always fails, and will continue to do so in the future. Speaking as a historian, Morris argues the similarities with the era before World War II — the age of “appeasement” — are too striking to ignore. He writes:

    “In this connection, our age, it may turn out, resembles the classic age of appeasement, the 1930s, when the Western democracies (and the Soviet Union) were ranged against, but preferred not to confront, Nazi Germany and its allies, Fascist Italy, and expansionist Japan. During that decade, Hitler’s inexorable martial, racist, and uncompromising mindset was misread by Western leaders, officials, and intellectuals — and for much the same reasons. Living in unideological societies, they could not fathom the minds and politics of their ideologically driven antagonists. The leaders and intellectuals of the Western democracies, educated and suffused with liberal and relativist values, by and large were unable to comprehend the essential ‘otherness’ of Hitler and ended up fighting him, to the finish, after negotiation and compromise had proved useless.”

History, he clearly fears, might just this time actually repeat itself. Certainly, the comparisons are too striking to be ignored, a point that Pastor Hagee also pointed out in his speech. At this moment, Hamas is pledged to obliterate Israel as its very raison d’etre, and while Fatah claims to be willing to accept a two-state solution, it insists upon the acceptance of what they call “the right to return,” without any exception. For Abbas and his comrades, this is non-negotiable. A few years ago, the group of journalists I traveled to Israel with met with Saeb Erekat, the top Palestinian negotiator. He argued that everyone knows a two-state solution could be accepted overnight. But, he added, they will never — and he emphasized this — accept less than the state of Israel agreeing to the right of return of the Arab refugees who fled at the time of the 1948 war between Israel and the invading armies of six Arab nations.

Writing in the new issue of Commentary, Michael S. Bernstam points out [4] that the term itself is a misnomer, since “the permanent refugeeism of the UNRWA welfare state generates a particular ‘right of return’ claim — the argument that Palestinians should be given title to the land they occupied before Israel’s independence — that fuels perpetual warfare.” In fact, he argues,

    “First, it is not the right of return of actual refugees (as opposed to descendants) that was created by international conventions since 1948 to prevent deportations and to mitigate the conditions of concurrent refugees who fled the ravages of war. Nor is it the right of return of historical ethnic diasporas to their own nation-states that Germany extends to all Germans, Armenia to all Armenians, Greece to all Hellenes, and Israel to all Jews. Nor is it the establishment of new nation-states where there were none, such as the partition of British Mandate Palestine into the Jewish and Arab states or the partition of the British Raj into India and Pakistan. Rather, the claim of the Palestinian right of return is intended for one historical ethnic diaspora of the ­descendants of perennial refugees to repopulate another people’s existing nation-state, Israel.”

What they want, therefore, is nothing less than “a reconquest after a lost war.” Having been unable to gain that end by their decades long military actions, they now seek it through the policy of appeasement by the Western countries, and by channeling their goal to the aims of and with the help of Iran. Thus the right to “retake” what they lost is being mislabeled intentionally as the “right of return,” with the acceptance of the term by the United States and other Western powers.

As Morris writes, this is the “unitary” Arab state in old Palestine that they have sought since the 1920s, and which today so many of the Western elites, especially the British intelligentsia, now demand as the perceived “democratic” solution to the question of Palestine. As Morris addresses the “refugee” question, he too makes a similar point to that of Bernstam:

    “The Palestinian leadership is unanimous and resolute in insisting that the problem’s solution lies in the ‘Right of Return’: Israel, and the world, must accept the principle of repatriation and eventually facilitate repatriation. The idea that the refugees must return to their homes has been the ethos, the be-all and end-all of Palestinian politics and policy, since 1948. No Palestinian leader can or will ever abandon this principle, on pain of assassination, and none has.”

So we are no longer talking about the 700,000 displaced in 1948; when the Palestinians raise this issue, they are talking about what they say are the 7 million plus descendants who have been kept in UN refugee camps for decades, and are used as pawns by the various Arab governments, none of whom will ever let them become citizens of their own nations. If their demands were won, it would mean, Morris writes, that “Israel, with its 6 million Jewish and 1.5 million Arab citizens, would instantly or over a short time, become an Arab-majority state.” And that means nothing less than Israel’s destruction — the very goal of the Arab nations, the Palestinian movement, and much of the Western left.

Morris proceeds to engage in what he thinks is the reality for the future of Israel, and it is, as the title of his piece suggests, quite bleak. I will let you read his dire and convincing prediction of the options open for Israel — and none of them are good. This is his conclusion:

    “No viable peace agreement is remotely in prospect. Neither is the emergence of a full-fledged Palestinian state. A unilateral Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank is so problematic as to be virtually unimplementable. Yet continued Israeli rule over the territory and its people, obnoxious to most Israelis and to the rest of the world, raises the prospect of a bi-national state or an apartheid state, both of which most Jews regard as anathema. That, unfortunately, is where we’re at.”

So what do we do? For a beginning, we must nrelentingly defend Israel and act to stop the new campaign to delegitimize Israel going on at present. We must also pressure the United States to prepare strong action, as it becomes clear the sanctions on Iran are not working, to militarily stop Iran’s progress towards obtaining a nuclear weapon. Such an act is in the interest of our country’s national security, as well as that of Israel.

As Pastor Hagee puts it, the canary has cried out, and it is now time to act.

[1] here: http://frontpagemag.com/2010/11/24/standing-up-for-israel-2/

[2] assessment: http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/51926/bleak-house/

[3] book: http://www.amazon.com/Safe-Haven-Truman-Founding-Israel/dp/0060594640/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291478029&sr=1-4

[4] points out: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/the-palestinian-proletariat-15590?mode=addview

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  1. Ted writes:
    The Irgun naver targeted civilians.

    Ted is absolutely right. Bombing a large public hotel because some of it is being used as British administrative offices was a military battle, as was the strategic battle of Deir Yassin, where the Irgun were suddenly surrounded by innocent men, women and children and had to kill them or be killed. Oy, vey!

    Yeshuva writes:
    Anyone who thinks A____ and Ha Shem are the same

    Yeshuva,
    I don’t “think” they are the same, I KNOW they are the same. Unless you are a Hindu there is only one God, regardless of what name you choose to use.

    You call me a “Jewish Zealot”. Little do you know, however, I consider that a compliment.

    Thanks for confirming that you a “a fanatical partisan”, which puts the proper context and perspective on your comments.

  2. Inasmuch writes

    Anyone who thinks A____ and Ha Shem are the same is not a supporter of Israel. He is deceived and in the case of AmericanEagle, a deceiver and likely in Ramallah or Vatican City.

    Yep. Just as I thought. Another one who wants to shut dissenting opinions – just like all good totalitarians do.

    There is no lukewarm goo of middle ground on these issues. Consensus, Appeasement, Ecumenism, Pluralism, Ceasefire, Disarmament, Centrism, Flatteries, Tolerance, Multiculturalism, Diversity, Compromise, Unity, Cooperation, Bridge Building, “Peace and Security” are all tools of the enemy used to defeat Israel, America and the West. That enemy is Satan manifested as Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Globalism, New World Order, the Antichrist and false religion in any form, especially Islam. “Peace and Security” is what brought you Homeland SECURITY! Don’t you feel secure?

    Muslims and Catholics use forums to advance their Totalitarian political agenda which is against Israel and the whole world. I have seen what they do and won’t re-list their murders and mayhem, as it is a waste of time. If I wanted dissenting opinion of this nature, I would sign up to a Muslim board. I did think that this board would be largely and genuinely pro-Israel.

    You call me a “Jewish Zealot”. Little do you know, however, I consider that a compliment.

  3. Anyone who thinks A____ and Ha Shem are the same is not a supporter of Israel. He is deceived and in the case of AmericanEagle, a deceiver and likely in Ramallah or Vatican City.

    Yep. Just as I thought. Another one who wants to shut dissenting opinions – just like all good totalitarians do.

    There is no lukewarm goo of middle ground on these issues. Consensus, Appeasement, Ecumenism, Pluralism, Ceasefire, Disarmament, Centrism, Flatteries, Tolerance, Multiculturalism, Diversity, Compromise, Unity, Cooperation, Bridge Building, “Peace and Security” are all tools of the enemy used to defeat Israel, America and the West. That enemy is Satan manifested as Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Globalism, New World Order, the Antichrist and false religion in any form, especially Islam. “Peace and Security” is what brought you Homeland SECURITY! Don’t you feel secure?

    Muslims and Catholics use forums to advance their Totalitarian political agenda which is against Israel and the whole world. I have seen what they do and won’t re-list their murders and mayhem, as it is a waste of time. If I wanted dissenting opinion of this nature, I would sign up to a Muslim board. I did think that this board would be largely and genuinely pro-Israel.

    You call me a “Jewish Zealot”. Little do you know, however, I consider that a compliment.

  4. AE
    I am going on the definition of terrorists. Notwithstanding your excuses, they did target and kill innocent civilians, 30 minutes is hardly adequate warning to clear any hotel of civilians before a bombing aimed at bringing down an entire building, and there was no need to kill innocent men, women and children at Deir Yassin, even if they needed to take charge of it for strategic reasons.

    There is a huge distinction between targeting civillians to instill terror, death and destruction, and attacking a military target which causes collateral damage. This is war. It happenned during the 3 years following the WWII and the holocaust.

    The Irgun naver targeted civilians. They gave warnings though doing so was unheard of at that time. Yet you stand on your high horse and pontificate. You you are out to win a war, you can’t play nice. Winning and saving your own troops is the name of the game.

  5. Teshuva writes:
    I smell Agitprop. You are a stirrer and a trouble maker. You sound like a Muslim.

    Teshuva, you need to get your nose checked. I call ’em as I see ’em, and often see through the conventional wisdom. You should be happy that someone who sounds like a Muslim to a Jewish zealot, because he explains that Allah and G-d and Hashem are all different names for the same God, is a supporter of Israel.

    You say you are Catholic but you don’t have the vaguest understanding of the Sermon on the Mount.

    Not true.

    I am shocked that Ted Belman has not yet banned you.

    Yep. Just as I thought. Another one who wants to shut dissenting opinions – just like all good totalitarians do.

  6. Bedrock: There are some issues that cannot be settled by consensus. Ted doesn’t need to give up any land. Its his ground and he can stand on it.

  7. Ted writes:
    The god of the Bible and the Allah of the Koran have different personalities

    The God of the Bible and Allah of the Koran are one and the same. The Bible was not written by God and the Koran was not written by Allah. They were both written by men. Don’t try and blame Allah/God for what men do in their name. That is blasphemy. Wise up.

    The Irgun were not terrorists

    That’s your partisan opinion. I am going on the definition of terrorists. Notwithstanding your excuses, they did target and kill innocent civilians, 30 minutes is hardly adequate warning to clear any hotel of civilians before a bombing aimed at bringing down an entire building, and there was no need to kill innocent men, women and children at Deir Yassin, even if they needed to take charge of it for strategic reasons.

  8. AmericanEagle,

    I smell Agitprop. You are a stirrer and a trouble maker. You sound like a Muslim. You say you are Catholic but you don’t have the vaguest understanding of the Sermon on the Mount. Consensus and syncretization are key propaganda tools of the globalists, as is Name Calling, which you practice regularly. If you are a Catholic, then maybe you are a Jesuit. Here is the Jesuit (Catholic) oath. It fits your personality and is very telling about Catholics:

    CEREMONY OF INDUCTION AND EXTREME OATH OF THE JESUITS

    Source or here.

    The methods from this Catholic oath are in many ways similar to those of Islam. I am shocked that Ted Belman has not yet banned you.

  9. Poppycock. All three Abrahaminical religions worship the same Allah, G-d, God, Hashem – take your pick.

    Poppycock. The god of the Bible and the Allah of the Koran have different personalities. Thus they are different.

  10. I should have said troops or installations. The King David Hotel was the British Headquarters and everyone was warned to get out.

    Der Yassin was a military target in a war with the Arabs.. It had to be conquered. Their was fierce resistence. A warning was also given. I gave you a link. Read it.

    In both cases the warnings should have been heeded. The Irgun were not terrorists.

  11. Ted writes:
    The Irgun only attacked British troops. It never attacked civilians.

    Deir Yassin was an important military target.

    The Irgun did what it had to do.

    Ted, Even you must see that you are hopelessly confused and are disputing yourself as shown below:

    a) “The Irgun ONLY attacked British troops. It never attacked civilians.” Yet,
    b) They bombed the King David Hotel which had British administrators and civilians inside and outside, and,
    c) Deir Yassin, which was filled with civilians, and had no British troops.

    There are certain things in any armed conflict that the adverasries believe to be necessary, but there are also things that are indefensible and can only be rationalized, as you have tried to do here by claiming that adequate warnings were given which should have been taken seriously. Obviously, the civilians did not expect to become targets or armed attacks.

  12. Tzippe Barrow, CBN News – Jerusalem Bureau
    A careful study of the Koran and the Bible will show that Allah and the God of the Bible are not one in the same.

    Poppycock. All three Abrahaminical religions worship the same Allah, G-d, God, Hashem – take your pick.

    HOW they do so varies, which is why you folks are so confused because your Jewish experience comes from radical Muslims who have been trying to complete what the Nazis could not.

  13. AE
    Were the Irgun acting in G-d’s name when they attacked civilian targets and bombed the King David Hotel and the attack at Deir Yassin?

    The Irgun didn’t claim to be acting in Gods name.

    The Irgun only attacked British troops. It never attacked civilians.

    The Irgun gave a warning to occupants of the King David Hotel 30 minutes before they blew it up.

    Deir Yassin was an important military target. It blocked the way to Jerusalem. Once again the Irgun warned residents to leave before attacking. Many didn’t heed the advice. The Irgun did what it had to do. This was not a terrorist attack. It was a military target that had to be conquered.

    If you want to dispute any of this, find credible references or don’t bother.

  14. AmericanEagle:

    “Muslims often repeat the phrase, “Allah Akbar,” translated as “God is great.” A more accurate translation is “Allah is Greater [that is, than God].”

    A careful study of the Koran and the Bible will show that Allah and the God of the Bible are not one in the same.”

    — Tzippe Barrow, CBN News – Jerusalem Bureau

  15. Yeshuva writes:
    What does A____ bring? DEATH. Kill, steal, destroy, blow up buses, murder innocents, hide behind women and children.

    Yeshuva, Yeshuva, Yeshuva, Were the Irgun acting in G-d’s name when they attacked civilian targets and bombed the King David Hotel and the attack at Deir Yassin?

    You are comparing apples and oranges my friend, and confusing Allah, G-d, Hashem, God – take your pick – with people who commit atrocities, often in HIS name.

  16. >>> Aw, you messed up. You are a Muslim.

    >>Au contraire, mon ami. YOU are the one who is messed up. You don’t even seem to know that Allah, Hashem, G-d and God are all one and the same.

    I haven’t been to this board in a while. You must have real problems here.

    Yeshua said, Joh 10:10 “The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”

    So he comes to bring LIFE. What does A____ bring? DEATH. Kill, steal, destroy, blow up buses, murder innocents, hide behind women and children.

  17. Teshuva writes:
    Bill sounds more like what Yeshua and the Apostle Paul said.

    Not really. The Golden Rule says, “Love your neighbor as yourself”. The Sermon on the Mount was the opposite of exclusionary.

    Further it says “Ye must be born again.”

    Born again to be enlightened and Christ-like, not born again to be a bigot.

    Aw, you messed up. You are a Muslim.

    Au contraire, mon ami. YOU are the one who is messed up. You don’t even seem to know that Allah, Hashem, G-d and God are all one and the same.

    Catholics dress their women in black,

    Pray tell, what planet do you live on?

    The Pope even kisses the Koran and goes into mosques both forbidden by the Bible.

    Perhaps you have your own version of the Bible that shows no respect for the beliefs of others..

    I realize that Catholics are strongly discouraged from reading their Bibles by the priesthood

    Can you really be this ignorant?

    but learning the Torah is the very start of knowing what is the right thing to do.

    I have no problem with the Torah – I have a big problem with narrow-minded bigots.

  18. I Iagree with everything John Hagee said in his speech here however, about two-thirds of the way through he holds up his right hand and forms the occult devil’s horns hand sign which makes me immediately suspicious. I can easily do that Kohanic hand sign but not that occult one. It is not an accident because it is even difficult to do. Occultists are known to use Masonic and other occultic hand signs to demonstrate to other occultists who they are. You see this all the time in movies and in photos of rock concerts. Pat Robertson did it on the cover of Time Magazine some years ago.

    Is John Hagee’s group, Christians United for Israel, really a name-gathering exercise for a future New World Order round-up? There are many deceivers gone out. If anyone knows him, then ask him about it. I used to be naive and trusting and then after being betrayed a few times by the wicked who called themselves Christians, and after seeing the many unbiblical doctrines being promoted, now I trust hardly anyone.

    Mic 7:5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom.

    I will try to post the Time cover. If it doesn’t show up, click here and scroll down.

    <img src="http://curezone.com/upload/_C_Forums/Christianity/PatRobertsonFreemason.jpg&quot;

    Tele-Evangelist Pat Robertson (700 Club) Robertson poses on the cover of Time Magazine, and gives his Masonic pose (the “Lion’s Paw”) which refers to his secret society status and to show the world, subliminally, that he works for the Cult of Aton and not for Christianity. Time carried this image as Robertson was running for the US presidency. The sign of the “Lion’s Paw” has been used by Billy Graham, Annie Besant (of the Theosophical Society), John Wilkes Booth, Johannes Kepler, Sir James de Rothschild, Anton Le Vey, Eugene V. Debs and Sir Francis Dashwood. (See Codex Magica, by T. Marrs) Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour – 1 Peter 5:8.

    The photo is cropped but if you go to this site about 2-3rds down the page you can see he is giving the symbolic lions paw pose – Source.

    “The grip of a lion’s paw is as important to the Freemason as the Leo is to the astrological charts!!”

    Leo – the Sun – Royal Arch Degree – Masonic and Egyptian Significance

    The Standard of Judah – Is, in both Royal Arch Systems mentioned, symbolized with the Lion, and represents the fifth zodiac sign of Leo. The grip of a lion’s paw is as important to the Freemason as the Leo is to the astrological charts.

    Leo, Robert Hewitt Brown in Stellar “Theology and Masonic Astronomy” writes, “On the 21st of June, when the sun arrives at the summer solstice, the constellation Leo – being but 30 degrees in advance of the sun – appears to be leading the way, and to aid by his powerful paw in lifting the sun up to the summit of the zodiacal arch. … This visible connection between the constellation Leo and the return of the sun to his place of power and glory, at the summit of the Royal Arch of heaven, was the principal reason why that constellation was held in such high esteem and reverence by the ancients. The astrologers distinguished Leo as the sole house of the sun, and taught that the world was created when the sun was in that sign. The lion was adored in the east and the west by the Egyptians and the Mexicans.”

    The Lion as a symbol of the Sun also holds deep Egyptian significance.

    Reference: http://www.hariam.org/CHWR/urasweb.html” – Source.

  19. Bill, You sound like what the Pharisees sounded like back in the day.

    Bill sounds more like what Yeshua and the Apostle Paul said.

    It takes more than just SAYING that you have made such a commitment – you have to actually follow up and show that you mean what you say in your day to day behavior towards your fellow man, as opposed to demonizing most of them with this crap that only 2% are REAL Christians LIKE YOU and the rest are not. You have no idea what is in anyone else’s heart and mind.

    The first part is correct. The latter part is incorrect. The Bible says to “judge righteous judgment” and to observe fruit. Further it says “Ye must be born again.”

    With all due respect, it is A____ who will decide who is “saved”, not Bill Childers or Leonard Ravenhill.

    Aw, you messed up. You are a Muslim. The Bible says to not even name the name of strange gods. Did you know that? Is “A___” your god? I realize that it may be confusing because Muslims and Catholics dress their women in black, have worry beads and common icons. The Pope even kisses the Koran and goes into mosques both forbidden by the Bible.

    I am a lifelong Roman Catholic and a lifelong supporter of Israel – not because of anything in the Bible, but because it is the right thing to do.

    I realize that Catholics are strongly discouraged from reading their Bibles by the priesthood but learning the Torah is the very start of knowing what is the right thing to do.

  20. Teshuva writes:
    Your 2% figure is the same as that of Leonard Ravenhill who said a long time ago, “I doubt that more than two percent of professing Christians in the United States are truly born again.” and “Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If you’re carnal, you’re not saved.”

    Teshuva,
    With all due respect, it is Allah who will decide who is “saved”, not Bill Childers or Leonard Ravenhill.

    Two Biblical promises are that one will be blessed by praying for the peace of Jerusalem and by supporting Israel.

    I am a lifelong Roman Catholic and a lifelong supporter of Israel – not because of anything in the Bible, but because it is the right thing to do.

  21. bill childers writes:
    About 2% of the people in America is a legitimate Christian!

    To become a legitimate Christian one must make a life time commitment to Jesus Christ{a Jew} to be their Lord and Savor as i did!

    Bill,
    You sound like what the Pharisees sounded like back in the day.

    It takes more than just SAYING that you have made such a commitment – you have to actually follow up and show that you mean what you say in your day to day behavior towards your fellow man, as opposed to demonizing most of them with this crap that only 2% are REAL Christians LIKE YOU and the rest are not. You have no idea what is in anyone else’s heart and mind.

  22. Your 2% figure is the same as that of Leonard Ravenhill who said a long time ago, “I doubt that more than two percent of professing Christians in the United States are truly born again.” and “Get rid of this bunkum about the ‘carnal Christian’. Forget it! If you’re carnal, you’re not saved.”

    Leonard Ravenhill (1907–1994) was an English Christian evangelist and author who focused on the subjects of prayer and revival. He is best known for challenging the modern church (through his books and sermons) to compare itself to the early Christian Church as chronicled in the Book of Acts.

    Two Biblical promises are that one will be blessed by praying for the peace of Jerusalem and by supporting Israel.

  23. Howdy do do do!
    Being a Goyim I will clear up a few beliefs of a few of the Yehudim! Over 76% of the people living in America claim to be a Christian! About 98% of them cannot hold a conversation on the cornerstones of the Christian faith!
    Not being a Yehudim does not make one a christian it makes one a non Yehudim!

    About 2% of the people in America is a legitimate Christian! The rest is a non Yehudim!The 98% does not know what the h_ _ _ they are!We assume being a Yehudim has something to do with a relationship with God! What a joke when one does not have to do a thing to become a Jew or live their life as a jew!Once a Jew always a Jew! Once A Yehudim one might live their life as a Yehudim! To become a legitimate Christian one must make a life time commitment to Jesus Christ{a Jew} to be their Lord and Savor as i did!

    The 2% is very concerned about the land of Israel and most of them pray daily for there welfare!

    God Bless!

  24. Most American Christians with more than half a brain have always supported Israel, which is what has kept Barack Hussein Obama somewhat in check. But, what do we do about the 78% of American Jews who covered their eyes and ears and mouths like the proverbial “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” monkeys to vote for Obama in 2008? Their support is now down to 52% – which is still far too high for some who was mentored by some of the most vicious anti-Semites in America – not to mention someone who has worked so hard to destroy America’s economy on which all its minority communities depend on for their financial independence.

  25. @ Bill Levinson

    Goyim is the Hebrew for ‘[other] people’

    Jews is the English for Yehudim – a common name for those descended from the 12 tribes, though more specifically refers to the tribe of Yehuda

    Leviim is the Hebrew word for the tribe of Levi you probably descend from

    Gentile is the worst word to use to describe goyim since it means “mid-12c., from L.L. gentilis “foreign, heathen, pagan,” from L. gentilis “person belonging to the same family, fellow countryman,” from gentilis (adj.) “of the same family or clan,” from gens (gen. gentis) “race, clan” (see gentle). Used in Vulgate to translate Gk. ethnikos, from ta ethne “the nations,” which translated Heb. ha goyim “the (non-Jewish) nations.” Used during 14c. to mean both “one who is not a Christian” and “one who is not a Jew.””…

  26. Hitler was a Satanist, not a Christian.

    “The planning of the Second World War started when Adolf Hitler joined a secret society called the Thule Society in 1919. It was in this group that he found the perverted beliefs that were later to lead him in his control of the German government.

    In the Thule Society: “… the sun played a prime role*… as a sacred symbol of the Aryans, in contrast to… the moon**, revered by the Semitic peoples. The Fuhrer saw in the Jewish people, with their black hair and swarthy complexions, the dark side of the human species, whilst the blond and blue-eyed Aryans constituted the light side of humanity. … Hitler undertook to extirpate from the material world its impure elements.”1

    In addition to sun (or light) worship, the Thule Society also practiced Satan worship: “The inner core within the Thule Society were all Satanists who practiced Black Magic.”2

    The Society was not a working-man’s group as it included amongst its members: “judges, police-chiefs, barristers, lawyers, university professors and lecturers, aristocratic families, leading industrialists, surgeons, physicians, scientists, as well as a host of rich and influential bourgeois…. “3

    The membership of the Thule Society also became the foundation of the Nazi Party: “… the Committee and the forty original members of the New German Workers’ Party were all drawn from the most powerful occult society in Germany—the Thule Society.”4

    One of the founders of both groups, the Nazi Party and the Thule Society, was Dietrich Eckart: “a dedicated Satanist, the supreme adept of the arts and rituals of Black Magic and the central figure in a powerful and wide-spread circle of occultists —the Thule Group. (He was] one of the seven founder members of the Nazi Party….”

    Eckart claimed to be the initiator of Hitler into the secrets of Satan worship
    . He is quoted as saying on his deathbed: “Follow Hitler. He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the ‘Secret Doctrine;’ opened his centres in vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: I shall have influenced history more than any German.” …Source***

    G-d raises up the “basest of men” (Dan 4:17/Dan 4:14) not the best so it is a real stretch to call Westerners “Christian” just because they hale from countries where Christianity once flourished and are now apostate, especially when those people are acting in an anti-Christian manner. Biblical Christianity is peaceful not appeasement. Many have hijacked the term “Christian” when they are the opposite.

    To identify whether someone is righteous or not, observe the fruit. Chamberlain’s appeasement and Hitler’s actions were ungodly.

    All true Christians support Israel. If someone does not support Israel and urges appeasement that one is false no matter what he calls himself, Christian, Jew or whatever.

    See photo at this link. This is appeasement : Queen of Dhimmis, Empress of the anti-Empire, Defender of the Islamic Faith, Head of the Surrender of England

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    * Catholics are also sun god worshippers which is demonstrated in their graven images and their icons. Just one source.
    ** Muslims worship the moon.

  27. Jewish Israel as sacrificial lambs:

    Leading up to World War Two, the eastern european Jews were singled out as “dirty, primitive, human bacteria spreading the disease of communism with the intent of destroying christianity and taking over the world.”

    The goyim didn’t like their fellow christian hitler, but as far as they were concerned, he was more “one of them” than the eastern European Jews were. The goyim then let hitler do the dirty work for them which they were unwilling to do themselves: exterminate the eastern european Jews like vermin. Only once they knew that christian hitler had succeeded did they start fighting to stop hitler. And when it was over the goyim said: “We are shocked. Shocked we say! What hitler did was terrible. But out of something bad comes something good. We declare that hitler was not a “real christian”, so it’s OK. And to show how much we “miss” the dead six million Jews, we will build a holocaust museum in their memory. And then we can forgive and forget, and we can live happily ever after, and the world will be better off with six million fewer Jews.”

    Now it’s 60 years later. The goyim now say that the six million Israeli Jews are six million too many, and they are “the real nazis, colonialists, imperialists, and racists practicing apartheid and genocide.” Like before World War Two, they won’t kill the Israeli Jews directly, but instead they pay the arabs to kill the Jews for them, and enable iran to build nukes to bring about a second holocaust, so that afterwards they can add an Israeli wing to the holocaust museum.

    When I say that “Goyim suck and want to kill the Israeli Jews just like they killed the eastern european Jews,” I am speaking a basic fundamental truth. If you are a goy, and your feelings are hurt, or if you are a Jew-hater (either Jewish or non-Jewish), and want to hide the simple truth, you might respond that “It’s really alright, because not all the goyim want to kill the Jews, and you should not antagonize the few goyim who are your “friends”. Therefore, allow me to expand a bit on my simple truth:

    The truth is that, just like before World War Two, there are more than enough goyim who want to kill the Israeli Jews, and who are powerful enough to do so; and the remainder of the goyim are indifferent as to whether the Israeli Jews live or die, and will do nothing to stop a second holocaust; and the “righteous gentiles” who may actually not want to see the Israeli Jews killed, are too few and far between to make any difference.

    If the six million Israeli Jews will not fight against the goyim this time, then the goyim will kill them just like they killed the six million eastern european Jews.

    Let’s do a “thought experiment”: imagine that Jewish Israel gives up all its weapons, and puts their trust in Obama, Clinton, Putin, the EU, the UN, the pope, and the muslims to treat a helpless, defenseless Jewish Israel “justly and fairly.”

  28. I don’t want to be anybodies canary or sacrificial lamb. Let America and the rest of the world take care of their own problems. If we have the power to stop Iran we should stop Iran by any means even erasing Iran from the map of nations. If America and the rest of the world won’t do it with conventional weapons we should do what we can with what we have in the most effective manner. Every nation in the world whether Arab/Muslim, America and EU or Russia must be made to internalize that we can be pushed so far and no more and that they all have more to fear from a pissed of bunch of crazy Jews than they have from those countries they seek to appease at our expense. To do that would take a lot of balls, chutzpa (proverbial) chutzpa and a deep faith in the almighty.

    Never again means that we are not going out with a fight and inflicting upon any who would see us disappear, the severest consequences. It’s time we put a very high price on the lives of Jews and disproportionate response does not come close to what I mean by it.

  29. So what do we do? For a beginning, we must nrelentingly defend Israel and act to stop the new campaign to delegitimize Israel going on at present.

    The delegitimization program is run by cowards, liars and hypocrites. (Have I covered it all?) As such the perpetrators are paper tigers; they have nothing but their mouths. The way I see it (and I stand to be corrected), considering the dynamism and knowledge of Israelis in general, the “rest of the world” needs Israel more than Israel needs it. Israel did not have the support of “the rest of the world” in 1948, nor it’s full support in any of the successive wars (again, correct me if I’m wrong), so why should Israel need the blessings of “the rest of the world” now, in order to survive?

    In fact, by acting strongly and dramatically now – and we know that Israel has (or had) a penchant for performing dramatic acts in its efforts to survive – it could cause some of the few remaining sane world leaders to have some kind of epiphany – to take Israel as an example and do what has to be done for their own citizens, whatever that may be.

    If not, Israel’s “dramatic” actions could result in these same citizens taking action on their own…