By Ted Belman
You will recall that Donald Trump raised the question of Obama’s eligibility to be President. He was in good company, Many people had been challenging Obama’s eligibility and specifically the authenticity of his birth certificate which he submitted. My legal training informed me that they were on solid ground in doing so.
The US constitution provides that to be eligible to be the President you must be a “natural born citizen”. This phrase must be interpreted by the court but there is considerable precedent and evidence to support that it means that to be eligible that both your parents must be US citizens. So must the candidate but in the case of Obama, that’s a whole other story. Obama lost his citizenship when he moved to Indonesia and was adopted by his mother’s new husband. He never reapplied for citizenship upon returning.
I raise this now because Trump is now being challenged as, God forbid, a birther. Trump is not discussing it and rightly so. He knows that the liberal/left firestorm that would ensue would overwhelm him. There is an army of people, institutions, NGO’s and media, at the ready, to destroy anybody who raises the question,
That doesn’t mean that Trump or I or anyone else who raised the issue were wrong.
I just received an email which included an article by RICHARD R. SILVERLIEB, Attorney at Law, 354 Eisenhower Parkway, Livingston, NJ 07039, which made the following points:
FOUR Simple questions from an attorney
…are there ANY logical answers? You be the judge……
Here’s what I would like to know. If the TRUTH ever comes out and it is decided that Obama was never eligible to be president, what happens to all the laws he signed into being and all the executive orders?
Should they all be null and void?
These simple questions from a reputable attorney…This really should get your “gray matter” to churning, even if you are an Obama fan.
For all you “anti-Fox News” folks, none of this information came from Fox. All of it can be verified from legitimate sources (Wikipedia, the Kapiolani hospital website itself, and a good history book, as noted herein). It is very easy for someone to check out.
1. Back in 1961 people of color were called ‘Negroes’. So how can the Obama ‘birth certificate’ state he is “African-American” when the term wasn’t even used at that time ? I THINK THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE DIDN’T SAY HE WAS aFRICAN aMERICAN.
2. The birth certificate that the White House released lists Obama’s birth as August 4, 1961 and Lists Barack Hussein Obama as his father.
No big deal, Right? At the time of Obama’s birth, it also shows that his father is aged 25 years old, and that Obama’s father was born in “Kenya, East Africa”.
This wouldn’t seem like anything of concern, except the fact that Kenya did not even exist until 1963, two whole years after Obama’s birth,and 27 years after his father’s birth. How could Obama’s father have been born in a country that did not yet Exist ?
Up and until Kenya was formed in 1963, it was known as the “British East Africa Protectorate”. (check it below)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_%28http:/en.wikipedia..org/wiki/Kenya%29
3. On the Birth Certificate released by the White House, the listed place of birth is “Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital”.
This cannot be, because the hospital(s) in question in 1961 were called “KauiKeolani Children’s Hospital” and “Kapi’olani Maternity Home”, respectively.
The name did not change to Kapi’olani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital until 1978, when these two hospitals merged. How can this particular name of the hospital be on a birth certificate dated 1961 if this name had not yet been applied to it until 1978?
(CHECK IT BELOW)
(http://www.kapiolani.org/women-and-children/about-us/default.aspx )
Why hasn’t this been discussed in the major media?
4. Perhaps a clue comes from Obama’s book on his father. He states how proud he is of his father fighting in WW II. I’m not a math genius, so I may need some help from you. Barack Obama’s “birth certificate” says his father was 25 years old in 1961 when Obama was born. That should have put his father’s date of birth approximately 1936 – if my math holds (Honest! I did that without a calculator!) Now we need a non-revised history book-one that hasn’t been altered to satisfy the author’s goals-to verify that WW II was basically between 1939 and1945. Just how many 3 year olds fight in Wars? Even in the latest stages of WW II his father wouldn’t have been more than 9 years old.
Does that mean that Mr. Obama is a liar, or simply chooses to alter the facts to satisfy his imagination or political purposes ?
Now I see that the computer has hiccups…..
@ Ted Belman:
This is the THIRD time I am attempting to post this comment. I assume that the ALL-mighty computer which rules our fates, rejected the previous two, for no reason I suppose. Maybe it slept badly the previous night.
SO>….. Given that thre first point you made about the birth cert was shown to be wrong, what about the other 3, any ONE of which would positively prove the cert. a fake. You didn’t tell us any more abput it and I for one, would like to know.
I still can’t understand how someone, brough up as a Muslim for the first 10 years, and then listened to that Anti-Semitic, Anti-American hateful so-called “Pastor” Wright for the next 20, could, with that and all the other extra disqualifying baggage, be elected President of the US once, never mind twice.
And majorly bankrolled by Jews ..so-called… (not one of whom likely ever passes the doorstep of a shool)
So please Ted, speak nicely to your computer, and give us some info as to the public reception of your points 2,3 and 4.
Another point is that assuming they are correct, why has no-one moved on them, when all the questions were being asked about Obama’s birth.
By the way, I was brought up to refer to people of colour as “negro”, it being merely the Spanish word for “black”. I still use it and have never had any problems of protest or stares or any reprimands for doing so. I see nothing wrong with it, and compared to what the Negros call themselves, it’s extremely polite.
@ Ted Belman:
This is the THIRD time I am attempting to post this comment. I assume that the ALL-mighty computer which rules our fates, rejected the previous two, for no reason I suppose. Maybe it slept badly the previous night.
SO>….. Given that thre first point you made about the birth cert was shown to be wrong, what about the other 3, any ONE of which would positively prove the cert. a fake. You didn’t tell us any more abput it and I for one, would like to know.
I still can’t understand how someone, brough up as a Muslim for the first 10 years, and then listened to that Anti-Semitic, Anti-American hateful so-called “Pastor” Wright for the next 20, could, with that and all the other extra disqualifying baggage, be elected President of the US once, never mind twice.
And majorly bankrolled by Jews ..so-called… (not one of whom likely ever passes the doorstep of a shool)
So please Ted, speak nicely to your computer, and give us some info as to the public reception of your points 2,3 and 4.
Another point is that assuming they are correct, why has no-one moved on them, when all the questions were being asked about Obama’s birth.
By the way, I was brought up to refer to people of colour as “negro”, it being merely the Spanish word for “black”. I still use it and have never had any problems of protest or stares or any reprimands for doing so. I see nothing wrong with it, and compared to what the Negro’s call themselves, it’s extremely polite.
@ danost:
The only way is to ask Ted, because I’m sure they are tracked by his computer set-up. He’ll know anyhow, and can be trusted to be forthright.
@ Austin:
Thanks for your feedback / info on the number of views, is there any way to know the source of these numbers?
@ danost:
If you’re serious, they can be checked at the top right corner of this blog, about the 3rd section down. They are often missed if the screen letters are made too large, putting them off the screen. But just move the screen across to the left.
I suppose I had to tell you, although for a few seconds, it was very gratifying to be regarded as a mathematical genius.
@ Austin:
How it is that you check such numbers, I’m anxious to learn, so please …..
Keep at it, the more readers are annoyed with you, the higher your Blog Traffic count goes. I’m expecting it to close in on 500,000 a month pretty soon. I always check it. Numbers and figures (both kinds) have fascinated me since childhood.
I got a lot of angry mail to this post. One email said the first point was wrong, namely that the birth certificate did not say he as African American as claimed. I checked this out and he was right.
Be that as it may, there is nothing wrong in being skeptical or challenging convention. There is also nothing wrong in being wrong.
What I object to is the vilification heaped on people who argued that he was not eligible. Smearing them is a tactic to deny their free speech. People should be entitled to argue their case right or wrong without being vilified.
It is understandably difficult for many who espouse this point of view to understand. But if you have any doubts about where Obama was born, then found out where his mother was when he was born and that’s where he was. That’s it.
Obama’s problem was that his father was not a US citizen. That means he was not a US citizen and therefor ineligible to run for any office in the US, much less the presidency.
In a book I read about the “Who is A Jew” controversy that erupted in the ’90s about American Reform Judaism’s decision to amend the rule to say that the child of a Jewish father only can be Jewish by birth and it’s impact on the law of return, the author asked the rabbi for the reasoning behind the rule. He said, “A child’s will get it’s core sense of identity through the bond with it’s mother at the moment of birth. So, it matters what she believes she is at that time.
The founding fathers were strongly influenced by Judaism and many were even fluent in Hebrew. The same reasoning was used. Look under “Rationale” in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
Even if he were technically born in the U.S., he was born in a state that had just recently entered the Union where most of the people — Hawaiians — were really an entirely separate nation — and immediately whisked off to Indonesia for the first ten years of his life. His father and step-father were not not Kenyan and Indonesian, respectively, his mother was a Marxist who sided with the enemies of her native country. Whether or not in form, in substance, how could he possible qualify.