HUGE: Lead Author of Peer-Reviewed Research Re-Examining Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Vaccine Trials Calls for Immediate Suspension Due to Serious Adverse Events (VIDEO)

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1. @ Peloni,

   I completely agree. It could have been accidental. But in my mind regardless of how it got out, the response from the governments of the world toward their people was evil. The reasons I think not or at least not entirely is that there where people in my orbit that was sick in Nov/Dec of 2019 with the exact same symptoms we were told to watch for in Apr./May 2020. My daughter (40) her son (preteen) both experience something? full blown between thanksgiving / Christmas of 2019. they had not traveled out of a radius of 100 miles of their home for the year before. Although they had been in a city of 200,000 or more with a medium size airport which unloads people from all over the world. Four of my siblings became sick and tested positive but remained out of the death camps(hospitals) late 2021 and early 2022. exact same symptoms daughter experienced in fall 2019, they were all in the 55 to 75 age range. I’m not buying that all responsibility came from China and they are solely to blame. However, they did share it with the world. When one looks at the powers that be and how almost all the nations of the world follow the orders they were given, to me there was planning before the outbreak.

   A curious addition to this, however, is that in May, a large order of testing kits for the virus was ordered by China, making their role perhaps appear less innocent unless they were already struggling with the release even earlier than Sept. This is also muddled by the fact that it is entirely possible that the US could have been aware of China’s accidental release and used their intelligence assets to either compromise Chinese efforts of containment or simply re-release the China plague to give such an appearance to things. We also know that the CIA was active in China at the end of 2019 with Malone’s report of Robert Callahan’s notice to Malone to get his team ready, but so far this is the limit of things.

   Taking the above as true, I agree that China was struggling before rest of the world. Why did they share their “accidental leak” with rest of the world? They could have kept it secret, blamed it on them bats and rode it out with a total lockdown. They control the narrative. Which, they have the ability to lock up /lock down the country better then we could. All travel in, through and outside of the country. I have read many people comment on the net, that they were experiencing just what my family was in 2019, so my guess is your correct in the above and the CIA has their hands in this plandemic.

   The why, most likely will never be answered but if you have not seen this you might find it of interest. I only came across it yesterday.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEh5JyZC218

   the Rorschach test, yes we all resemble that remark.:)

2. FELIX and PELONI-

   One major problem is that none of us is a world class virologist, and we are constructing our opinions from whatever reports and HUGE exposures that are constantly streaming from the :Press.

   Peloni- , I think you were a little harsh in your long post near the beginning with Felix and his “demand” which I saw as merely a normal question when things get a little overheated. We ALL do it at some time or other. fo “Where’s your proof”…..very normal.

   For me anyway, the “Fauci paramour” accusation, however subtly you slid it in, was over the top.

   It’s common knowledge, and I’ve heard Trump say so himself (but don’t ask me where or whe|) That at the beginning, when he was Gung Ho for HCQ IVM and the Zelenko Protocol, and taking it himself, that he was opposed by Fauci and a group of “experts”, who overbore him.

   BUT you must agree (well…you don’t have to) that making it illegal to use either of both, effectively driving them underground, was VERY anti-democratic.
   We;ve all read of medicos who have been removed from the register for prescribing these anti-virus meds and the warnings to all in the prescribing end .
   Also about the deliberate way that the HCQ testing was done, completely contrary to the Protocol, and designed to abysmally fail, causing the deaths of the aged “guinea pigs”.

   I know of no evidence (likely wouldn’t recognise it anyway) that the virus was a deliberate manufacture of a bio-weapon, But, I ask anybody,…
   Here is a manufactured virus, which could not be advantageous to anybody, and which cures nothing, And it has been definitely traced to Wuhan, which has a kind of :reputation”…..

   WHY was it being experimented with. ??? What would have been it’s purpose.???

   And the several murky explanations for it’s accidental public appearance.

   We are fortunate that Trump acted very promptly with his travel bans.

   P.S. I saw yesterday that a 24 year old football player suffered cardiac arrest whilst playing a game. He is very seriously ill. No mention of whether he’s been vaccinated.( but most likely he was).

3. @Tanna

   Accidental lab leak. Not likely in my opinion,

   I would suggest that it is entirely possible for this leak to have initially come from an accidental release from China, your well argued observations not withstanding. Recall that there have been numerous leaks from Chinese biolabs over the years including the leak which led to SARS1 back in the mid 2000’s. Of course, this support does not provide evidentiary proof that this is what did take place, only that it would be, well, unremarkable if it were the truth of things.

   As to your fairly made observations, the Chinese govt appeared to be aware of what was taking place at the time of the release, but this argument only withstands a challenge if we were to assume that the release took place at the end of 2019 rather than at the middle part of the year, which I would argue would be a far more likely truth than not. In Sept the Wuhan lab went completely dark, with no cell phone traffic for an entire two weeks. There was other support for this timing which included a fall period culling of wildlife. So if the WuFlu escaped in Sept, by December, the Chinese would be in a position to be far more aware of things as they were observed to be. A curious addition to this, however, is that in May, a large order of testing kits for the virus was ordered by China, making their role perhaps appear less innocent unless they were already struggling with the release even earlier than Sept. This is also muddled by the fact that it is entirely possible that the US could have been aware of China’s accidental release and used their intelligence assets to either compromise Chinese efforts of containment or simply re-release the China plague to give such an appearance to things. We also know that the CIA was active in China at the end of 2019 with Malone’s report of Robert Callahan’s notice to Malone to get his team ready, but so far this is the limit of things. This all paints a pretty complicated picture, and I would suggest that any real decision as to what took place would simply be the result of a Rorschach test, telling us more about the person speaking about the facts than it tells us about the facts actually speaking for themselves. Of course, this is only my own perspective, but this is why I suggested to Felix, several times now, that the ‘how’ relating to the virus release is not knowable, not based on what we know so far at least.

   By the way, the new Republican House plan to investigate the China flu further and hold China responsible for its release, which would further complicate the US-China meltdown in relations, so they will likely have more revelations to share which will selectively paint China as the culprit in things, so going forward the appearance of clarity may simply be the effect of a prepared narrative supporting what most Americans, at least, want to believe in any event, namely that the Chinese, alone, are to blame. But we already know that the research was at least in part, if not more than part, funded by the US. Just my own observations, of course, such as they are.

4. Poleni said:

   Additionally, this biological research was launched against the world, perhaps by the US planting it in China but certainly by China allowing it to be flown out to the US, Europe and Africa even while preventing it from being flown from one part of China to the other. So, if you were to conjecture that this was not a bioweapon, but a defensive tool, I think that argument has been rendered moot by the potential actions by the US (if they released it) but certainly by the Chinese who purposefully did send it out to the rest of the world knowing of the consequences of doing so.

   Someone a few days ago ask about where Covid came from? With the above quote in mine. I had the occasion a few years back to spend a little over a year working in China, lived in a city of 3.5 mil. Traveled to Shanghai and Beijing and other places. I had been in country for 30 days or so, adjusted somewhat to the traffic patterns and movements of the people. -Meanwhile back in the USA.

   When covid happen in December as I remember and then started in the USA by mid-January, I begin to ask question and reason out an answer for myself as to what was happening. Due to this, I did not believe the propaganda that followed.

   1. Did China turn this loose on the world?
   2. Did China have an accidental lab leak?
   3. Chinese New year, was coming up and Why? The Chinese
   government did not shut down all travel in and out of the country.
   4. Who is behind this virus?

   If you have never been in China to watch the amount of travel that happens at this time of year it might be hard to understand. One gets a since of normal life by being in a strange country. But when airports are packed, high speed rails running on elevated platforms are to capacity. Mid speed trains running on the ground at like 140 MPH or so are packed. Even the bus service was overwhelmed. I as a visitor in the country, I knew something was going on. I asked my translator what was happening. I thought the house was on fire and people were running down the street dragging their travel bag. She told me the Chinese people were having the biggest holiday of the year. Much like our Thanksgiving, Christmas and new year all rolled into one. She said everyone travels to be with family, all across China and the whole world.

   So back to my questions?

   1. yes China turned it loose, but only after someone else turn it loose on them.
   2. & 3. Accidental lab leak. Not likely in my opinion, The Government knew what was about to happen and therefore as a way to strike aback on the preparators, they let the holiday come just like it had every year and turn the infected travelers loose on the world.
   4. Who is behind this virus? I believe it is the same people who are behind all nation destabilizing tactics. The same people who are behind the current situation in Ukraine and the same people who are behind destroying all societies and social norms as we know them and attempting to rebuild the world in their image.

   Now one could respond that for China to turn loose a virus on the world regardless of if it being on purpose or accident could be considered an act of war. Yes, but that has not been raised to my knowledge, and the one attacked was not strong enough and the one who started it never tried to push a war. But it has been a good excise for any future plans they may have.

   And one last thought, why do you think China has been dealing with this virus much more then rest the world? A least, that is what seems to be the message in the news.

   Millions and billions of people may die first but I do not believe they will succeed.

5. Peloni in no way was it a rant. This is too serious to indulge in a rant. The point is that on my side of the divide we follow science. So the method of Dan Wilson becomes very important. He makes a very strong case for COVID 2 having emerged from wild bats, carried to the awful wet markets of China by traded wild animals. Wilson produces a wealth of knowledge, presents it logically, does not force anybody to believe, but weigh this material he presents with an open mind. The knowledge of the viruses meant that scientists knew this was coming so they set out to study the virus and thereby did a noble and selfless service. I wrote on how scientists in Israel were given the genome very quickly and were appreciative. And I thank Dr Wilson for his efforts.

6. @Felix
   You are making yourself ridiculous with your unhinged rant. Not a very good look, to be honest.

   All of the gentlemen who you have just listed have the ability to make an intelligent comment on this and any other subject you care to name. They all have the ability to wield their own inputs and share their own views without basing their arguments upon personal attacks or silly unrelated challenges. Additionally, there are many other intelligent ladies and gents whose names you failed to raise while making a spectacle of yourself, all of who are equally able to agree or disagree with a veritable manner.

   There is no need for your abusive tactics, as it only makes you somewhat silly. If you disagree with me, simply explain your view and share your objections to those comments which cause you so much consternation and discomfort. It is called conversation, perhaps you might excel at it, that is if you ever tried to engage in it. Of course, it seems that you prefer monologues, echochambers and insults to an open dialogue. Very sad, really.

7. I glanced over your 2 pieces. Zorn is silent. Edgar is silent and his daughter is silent. Leanmarc has no idea. Raphael knows nothing about this.

   Also Ted Belman has no clue about this stuff.

   So in that situation of general ignorance you have a position of, you could call it, power.

   Also you are a total conspiracy type.

   Elon Musk should just shut his big mouth. He knows nothing. And Peloni definitely should!!!

   Rand Paul is an opthalmology doctor. He’s just using his power.

   You yourself are full of lies and like fool Rand Paul throw this term gain of function about in relation to the Lab and the virus.

   You are either ignorant or deceitful. There was valuable and principled work done there which helped in rapidly characterising the new coronavirus sars 2 which following sars 1 so therefore they had KNOWLEDGE.

   And you have NONE. All you have like Musk and Paul is a big mouth.

   What are your qualifications Peloni? You have none OBVIOUSLY.

   Read somebody who knows what he’s talking about all of you… Raphael and the rest of you ultra clever people on once good Israpundit.

   Dr Wilson lab leak

   https://youtu.be/fmIo1XFxcEM

8. @Felix
   As to the bio-weapon, it is an easily explained concept. Beginning back in 2012, the research which was offshore to China took place as there was a growing level of anger in the US research community over the dangerous pursuit of Dual Use Gain of Function research . The moratorium to ban the research took place in mid 2014. The research follows the grant money and Fauci is responsible for the disposition of billions of dollars in US research grants. Fauci issued Eco Alliance a 5yr, $3.4 million dollar grant in 2014, just prior to the moratorium on the Dual Use Gain of Function research taking effect. This grant included the payment of somewhere over half a million USD for the gain of function research facility in Wuhan, yes the same lab where 5yrs later the China Flu escaped and China shipped out to the US and Europe. The gain of function research continued in Wuhan, using US grant money, even while the US forbade such research in the US. Furthermore, the over half million dollars in US grant money which went to Wuhan was only from a single grant, and Eco Alliance received many millions in grants from Fauci, and Fauci had many more research groups than just Eco Alliance. There is no telling how many of the billions of dollars in US funding actually found its way to China, Ukraine, Georgia, or anywhere else to further pursue the Dual Use Gain of Function research which was banned in the US during the 3yrs before Fauci reversed the ban on such funding just before Trump became president.

   As to the research by these, how did you put it…oh yes, “good scientists” being used to produce a bioweapon, well it was dual use research. Since you seem unaware, you should know that the dual use indicates both civilian and military purposes for the research, ie both an economic as well as an offensive military purpose. Since the research included biological samples, the military weapon would be a bioweapon. Pretty straightforward. Additionally, this biological research was launched against the world, perhaps by the US planting it in China but certainly by China allowing it to be flown out to the US, Europe and Africa even while preventing it from being flown from one part of China to the other. So, if you were to conjecture that this was not a bioweapon, but a defensive tool, I think that argument has been rendered moot by the potential actions by the US (if they released it) but certainly by the Chinese who purposefully did send it out to the rest of the world knowing of the consequences of doing so.

   I will probably re-post this comment in the coming days with links for you to puruse, but I think you will have to wait while I complete a few other projects which have my interest at the moment.

9. @Felix

   Well before condemning Fauci to death

   This is a complete corruption of my words. I oppose political violence in all forms under all cercumstances save the most extreme circumstances, which dealing with the likes of Fauci and his allies should not be included. Fauci, like Birks, Faraday, Bright, Woodcock, and too many others should face justice for the crimes, to be judged by those who survived their crimes or by those who lost loved ones to their villainy, in every jurisdiction around the world in which their actions resulted in harming the inhabitants, and this would likely be everywhere.

   As to the effectiveness of IVM, @leanmarc@ii.net is likely correct. IVM has been pretty soundly established to be an effective treatment (as part of a multi-drug cocktail) for Covid, but we can not know for every age group, demographic, socioeconomic status, etc how effective it might have proven around the world. What we do know with certainty is that IVM is completely safe, and offered no risk to anyone, and certainly would have resulted in the survival of many if not most of those who received it as early treatment and/or prophylaxis, as took place in Uttar Predesh in India, which I have discussed more than once on this site. No matter even if you foolishly ignore the data which supports the use of IVM, there was no reason to ban it from use by those who sought it as a choice of treatment. In fact there are many other treatments which have been used to treat Covid with great success over the past two years, but they are, none of them, credited with a similar safety profile as exists with IVM and HCQ, both of which should not be used in isolation but rather as a part of a multi-drug cocktail as is used to treat all viral diseases.

   So would IVM, if used prodigiously and effectively, have resulted in saving 80% of the deaths? Well it probably would have, but it also could have also reduced the level of spread due to the reduction in time in which people were actually infectious. It would also have protected the DNA from being corrupted by the insertion of the spike RNA (after being reversed transcribed) into a person’s DNA – recall that IVM has been called the protector of the genome due to its abilty to prevent anything entering the nucleus of a person’s cells.

   But irregardless of how many deaths might have been prevented, if withholding IVM cost the life of a single man, or a single child, it would be an act of malicious malfeasance, and that is a very serious crime, even if it were only one life being considered, and we are talking about a great many more than one life.

10. Leanmarc

    It is not clear what you are saying. Is it your belief that 80 percent could have been saved by Ivermectin ? Evidence?

    Raphael

    You say we all know COVID 19 is a bioweapon. Like to give some evidence for this.

    Fauci is responsible says Peloni. Well before condemning Fauci to death could Peloni provide the evidence?

    But Peloni makes the accusation but reneges on the evidence.

    Without evidence it is just a prejudice. Not a terrifically good approach.

11. All we want to know is WHEN will the Israeli Ministry of Health announce they are the largest failure in the Western world and not a light unto the Nations? When will media report? When will Australia, USA, Canada, New Zealand and elsewhere do the same? Only issue that matters. They KILLED IVERMECTIN basically to accept $44 billion dollar grant from Bill Gates or other insanity (University of Liverpool) and it is corruption upon corruption. 80% of those who died could potentially have been saved. Anyone understand what I am saying? Israel does corruption as good if not better than most, save Italy so maybe Israel and Italy can save the world together? When will the Jewish people wake up. That is a statement not a question.

12. @FelixQuigley

    I think that we now know that the virus was a bio-weapon, being developed in China, with US collusion. Why was that? I thought China was our adversary. For me, however, the more important fact is that when the virus “appeared”, the vaccine was virtually ready to go. That’s pretty much unheard of. Usually it takes years to develop an effective vaccine. Understanding the genesis of the vaccine is more important because they are still pushing it just as hard as ever, in spite of the well-documented adverse effects. Why? There are also other unanswered questions about the mRNA vaccine that we must know, like, what’s really in it?… nano-particles? What are the long term changes to the human genome? etc. We just don’t have enough information about the vaccine, and everything that we should know about it is still veiled in secrecy.

13. What’s the big deal
    ? The virus, the vaccine, scientists, these narratives. They’re all mixed in with each other.

    Where did this virus come from is what I want to discuss… With anybody?

14. Basically you do not have to write a thing if you don’t wish but I maintain it is a crying shame to claim Fauci, who I care little about in truth, and good scientists were working on a bio weapon. In a lab in Wuhan. And Elon Musk insulting queer folk and attacking Farci like he did, even possibly putting his life at risk

15. @Felix

    vaccine deniers

    You did not ask about the vaccine, but rather requested a response specifically regarding the “virus”. Furthermore, you do not own my time nor do you know the challenges of my day, and yet you require me to respond to you in haste. Your rudeness is as obnoxious as your devotion to your paramour Fauci is repellent.

    As to your statement that there is

    no evidence presented by you.

    this is not a forum requiring detailed evidence for every comment made, or you, yourself, would be in a fairly shameful position having not provided any support for your devotion for Fauci, which should not be a default position, though with you it seems to be the only position possible. I do not and will not offer footnotes for my comments and I rail at your demand for a response in real time.

    You are not an ignorant man, but you maintain a deeply unresolved ignorance about facts which have been daily revealed about your leprechaun paramour.

    I do find it revealing that the many evidences which I did offer you with the single source I shared has not been challenged by you in any way, and I demand such a response from you as you are now demanding from me. Put up or shut up my friend, or is it simply that you believe the involvement of Fauci in the HCQ Scandal and the Remdisivir Scandal which have both led to the deaths of countless lives, to not be worthy of challenging your deep connection with your fascist idol?

    I do in fact have a basis for my statements regarding Fauci’s offshoring bioweapon research, but since you have been so shamefully abusive in your demand, which is markedly not a request, I will only share them with you after you respond to the evidences which I have already offered. Though it has been suggested that your rudeness is related to either culture or language differences, I will note that I am not under your command and will not respond easily to such abuses as you have chastised me with here, again, until you respond to what I have already shared.

    Good luck with this, you have a great deal to deal with here, if you care to take up this challenge, for which I have no expectation you will respond with any meaningful support. Please, prove me wrong.

    Or you can simply apologize for your rash, unreasonable rudeness.

16. Before we face yet more claims from the vaccine deniers we should have an answer from Peloni to this. He had a chance to answer but did not

    I wrote

    “FelixQuigley
    JANUARY 9, 2023 AT 11:02 PM
    Peloni this time you are claiming, and I take it everyone on the site Israpundit backs you up, the following:

    “Fauci is additionally responsible for the development of bioweapons (euphamistically labeled as Gain of Function Research) even during a US moritorium forbidding such things by off shoring the research in Wuhan, and he is responsible for the quiet repeal of the moritorium at the end of Obama’s term. The research resulted in either the US releasing the virus in China or the Chinese accidentally releasing it themselves – we will likely never learn the truth of which of these are the reality.”

    You have gone to an extreme. So the research in the Wuhan Laboratory is

    “development of bioweapons (euphamistically labeled as Gain of Function Research) ”

    This is just an awful claim. You should be ashamed to write it because you have not the slightest evidence, nor do you give it.

    There’s so much wrong with your assertion given with no evidence

    That is I sadly repeat no evidence presented by you.

    Perhaps we get to the bottom of this by you explaining your evidence for what you said

    “Off shoring the research in Wuhan”

    That research then you assert was going on in the Wuhan Laboratory

    Which “research” was “the development of bioweapons” “

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