How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia –

The Grayzone

Blumenthal backs up his claims with links and videos but you cavalierly dismissed his case last time around…and keep in mind he came out with this March 2022 right at the beginning of the war. Still valid today only more so.

Scroll down and you’ll see Zelensky giving one of his Nazis “Hero of Ukraine” Award.
More from Grayzone later.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/

February 24, 2023 | 127 Comments »

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  1. @Reader “Israel must behave as a legitimate state with the same rights as any other state ” Yes and that means zero tolerance for Arab insurrectionists. THEY MUST GO. in the words of the late, great, R. Kahane.

  2. @Reader no, that’s my position along with MK Fogel and Smotrich.
    among others. many otherrs.
    “said that I support a disproportionate response by the IDF and the security forces to every act of terrorism. For every rock – the closing of shops at the scene, for every firebomb – the arrests and deportation of the families of the terrorists, for every nest of terror – a closure and the collection of a painful price until the terrorists and their supporters realize that the blood of our children is not cheap and that terrorism is not profitable. This is the way to deal with terrorism and, God forbid, to prevent the next victims,” said Smotrich.”

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/

    Knesset Passes New Bill to Deport Arab Citizens of Israel Charged With Terrorism

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-02-15/ty-article/.premium/knesset-passes-new-bill-to-deport-arab-citizens-of-israel-charged-with-terrorism/00000186-5562-d5a1-abd7-7feb78530000

    Otzma Yehudit MK calls for Huwara to be ‘closed and burned’

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-732820

  3. Not all of Yesha

    Yes, all of it.

    I understand you are upset but try turning off your emotions and thinking objectively.

  4. PA officials warn: Death penalty for terrorists law will open ‘the gates of hell. ..Implementing the decision means igniting an uprising that will burn everything under the feet of the occupation” and that “the occupation has left no basis for understanding with the prisoners, and left them no choice but to initiate an open confrontation.”

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/

    Good. Then it will be clear which Arabs to exterminate en masse. I can’t think of anything more practical and efficient if all these stupid restraints are removed from the IDF.

  5. @Reader And Jews are dying every day while intellectuals debate long-term solutions. Villages like Huawara need to be razed to the ground, their inhabitants deported to the PA and Jewish towns with armed citizenry built over their smoking ruins killing three birds with one stone, redemption, deterrance, and removing killers from the paths that Jews take. This is the only realistic short-term solution.

    General Fogel is right. Is he related to the tragic Fogel famiy?

    “Coalition MK lauds torching of Arab village after terror attack
    ‘I want to see Huwara closed and burned to the ground.’ MK Brig. Gen. (ret.) Zvika Fogel praises Jewish rioters who torched Huwara.”

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/368018

  6. @Reader

    “Kicking out 4 million Arabs out of Israel and Judea and Samaria by force is the DEFINITION of “armchair pie in the sky“!

    It’s not that many. Not all of Yesha, Just Area C and not all of the Arabs, just the violent anti-Zionists. The total Arab population in Israel and Area C combined is about 750,000. Much more practical and realistic than expecting the UN to hand Jordan and a piece of Egypt to the Jews. Absent a cataclysmic war, that’s never going to happen. And the UN is opposed to Israel as a Jewish state and has a schizophrenic attitude toward Palestinian terrorism. Nearly every country votes to condemn though more and more are abstaining. Every secretary general and human rights committee staffed by the worst human rights abusers condemns Israel. The UN condems Israel more often than all of the othercountries combined.

  7. “all the biblical borders of Israel”
    That’s just armchair pie in the sky at this point in time

    “If you will it, it is no dream.”
    – Theodor Herzl

    Not so long ago everyone thought that a Jewish state was “just armchair pie in the sky“, then, when there appeared some hope for a state, their imagination didn’t go beyond “Monaco with a university“ (FYI, the population of Monaco now is ~40,000people), need I go on?

    Israel must behave as a legitimate state with the same rights as any other state and quit behaving as a (very large) Jewish ghetto – they even built a GHETTO WALL around it and the IDF REJOICED at its completion!

    Israel has to acquire a spine and state exactly what it must have as a state for the whole world to hear instead of pretending to enjoy the “piece-by-piece“ process and pretending not to know or understand what it is all about while pretending to “rely on its friends for support“.

    Israel has no friends and never will but it needs to survive and thrive, especially to ensure the survival of the Jewish people.

    Kicking out 4 million Arabs out of Israel and Judea and Samaria by force is the DEFINITION of “armchair pie in the sky“!

  8. @Reader

    Slaughtering the Arabs or pushing them out forcibly will not work

    They can’t assault us if they’re not there, can they? Who cares about “discourse.” The world is mostly biased anyway. Jewish Lives Matter. Self-determination is the answer. Self-determination and self-defence.

  9. @Reader

    “all the biblical borders of Israel”

    That’s just armchair pie in the sky at this point in time and the UN today is a corrupt, antisemitic, globalist organization. You recognize its authority to interfere in Israel’s internal affairs? I’m talking about protecting Jews, now, today, tomorrow, next week.

  10. @Readerall the biblical borders of Israel”

    That’s just armchair pie in the sky at this point in time and the UN today is a corrupt, antisemitic, globalist organization. You recognize its authority to interfere in Israel’s internal affairs? I’m talking about protecting Jews, now, today, tomorrow, next week.

  11. @Reader and East Jerusalem, of course. I would deport all violently disloyal Arab individuals and communities to Ramallah where Jews are not allowed, anyway, by force, immediately. These homicidal maniacs should not have access to Jewish individuals, communities, and holy sites for even another day. Any who resist violently should be shot dead on the spot. I’m talking Tienanmen Square. And approvingly. Ramedan? Bring it on. Like shooting apples in a barrel if the IDF does it without this purity of arms bullshit.

  12. @Reader Actually, we are talking about Area C and the entire Jordan Valley, which is mostly in Area C but extends a little beyond, is my understanding, h which has 500,000 Jews and 100,000 Arabs. There is a de facto four state solution, at the moment, in the territory of the former Palestine Mandate. Jordan can’t be forced to take the Yesha Arabs, Not sure about Gaza. But Ramallah can. I would add the Negev and disloyal Arabs from the mixed cities behind the Green line.

  13. @Sebastien Zorn

    The UN, are you serious?

    Yes, I am.

    The whole problem was caused by Europe, the US, and some other countries who keep pouring gasoline onto the fire and encouraging the Arabs in their fight to “free Palestine”, and by Israel continuously caving in and appearing to be ready for “the painful concessions for the sake of peace” and never stating its real demands directly and clearly.

    You misunderstood what I wrote.

    Completing the population exchange means moving the Arabs out of all the Biblical borders of Israel to other countries of their choice or, at least, to Jordan.

    Slaughtering the Arabs or pushing them out forcibly will not work, it will only contribute to the usual discourse about “violence on both sides” with the world compassion reserved only for the Arabs.

    Israel must be prepared to take in the remaining Jews of the Diaspora (not as a part of the population exchange) – there doesn’t have to be a deadline.

  14. @Reader The UN, are you serious? The Jewish half of the population exchange is complete. Completing the population exchange means transferring the Arab population out. It’s fine to offer incentives over time to the peaceful law abiding Arabs but we’re not talking about those. How do you propose getting rid of these murderous fanatics so no more Jews need to die?

  15. @Sebastien Zorn

    Just like India in 1949.

    You are right but what the “world community” thought appropriate for India (regardless of how many people would get hurt or die in the process), it won’t permit Israel (Israel being a Jewish country).

    I think that this whole parliamentary and security crisis exists now because the population exchange should have been, ideally, done after WWII, or, at the latest, in 1967-68 but, instead, the attempts were made at a completely unrealistic peace agreements.

    Killing people and burning villages won’t solve it.

    Israel should stand up in the UN and say that the problem cannot be solved without completing a full population exchange and here is our plan, with the Biblical borders, etc., etc., and we expect support for it unless everyone wants the violence to go on forever, and we announce that the state of Israel is not willing to commit suicide or get killed or destroyed for the sake of peace, and we are not asking anyone else to do the same but within those new borders the state of Israel will accept all the Jews of the Diaspora.

  16. @Sebastien Zorn

    @Reader

    Why did all those non-religious or not very religious Jews who really created the state make aliyah?

    antisemitism.

    Well, not only antisemitism (if you are implying they ran to Palestine merely out of fear).

    Zionism, of course, arose because of antisemitism, because the founders were convinced that the Jews could no longer stay in the Diaspora, and they were absolutely right.

    They were convinced that the time has come to move to the Jewish land and they were the ones meant to do it and to improve it.

    It was mainly ideological because not only the living conditions in Palestine were really bad but even traveling there wasn’t particularly safe.

  17. @Reader

    Judea and Samaria activist: ‘Almost every hour, we have another terror attack’…You don’t have any other [road]. It’s Number 60 Road. It’s the main road over there, you need to go to school, you go there. You need to go shopping, you go through there. And you have stones thrown at your car and they’re shooting and killing your friends and your relatives. What can you do?” he says.

    “So you need to understand, this is a terror village. It’s not innocent. Of course there are innocents over there and we don’t want them to be hurt, but they are giving candies after each terror attack. They are cooperating with terror and we need to fight that and the people who need to do it are the Army and the police and unfortunately they concentrate on the Jewish side instead of on the terror side.”

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/

    Villages like this were erased in 1948. Time to do that again. The IDF should be driving them out. Civilians shouldn’t have to do it.

  18. @Reader

    by completing the population exchange

    I agree. Just like India in 1949. Hopefully, a million people won’t have to die.

  19. @Reader

    There are ~12 million Jews and ~8 billion potential “perpetrators“

    Not in Eretz Israel. Seal the border and there is a finite number of eliminationist antisemites to be taken out. It’s not like they hide what they are. Which makes the task easier.

  20. @Reader

    Why did all those non-religious or not very religious Jews who really created the state make aliyah?

    antisemitism.

  21. I am in an almost constant state of rage

    Take a deep breath and listen to the birdies sing and calm down.

    There are ~12 million Jews and ~8 billion potential “perpetrators“, so the problem is unsolvable in the way you propose to solve it.

    My ideal solution would be to move all the Jews to Israel (in its Biblical borders – by completing the population exchange which started after WWII with the European and Middle Eastern Jews coming to Israel) and leaving all the countries of the Diaspora happily Judenrein because we already have proof that no matter how hard the Jews try, in the Diaspora they will always be thought of as aliens who happen to have citizenship.

  22. @Sebastien Zorn

    “You never said?”

    Actually, I did – you asked me that before, yes, I am Jewish from here to Moses as far as I know on both sides of my family – write it down if you can’t remember it, I also keep kosher, etc.

    “why do they want to make aliya?”

    Why did all those non-religious or not very religious Jews who really created the state make aliyah?

    Fortunately, they didn’t have to prove to the Jewish bureaucracy that they were “the real thing” in order to be permitted to build the state and to recreate the Hebrew language, and to “make the desert bloom”, etc., while the very religious ones were staying in the Diaspora waiting for Moshiach (which they, pretty much, still do) and considering the Zionists heretics.

    I am very glad that you are positive you have no problems – why are you telling this to ME?

    Tell it to those who are empowered to approve aliyah eligibility, as long as you have the original documents.

    BTW, I forgot to mention that after you get your approval for aliyah, you will still have to deal with the Rabbinate (for personal Jewish events) for whom your aliyah approval doesn’t prove that you are Jewish.

  23. @Reader And after reading a steady stream of articles about atrocities against Jews and the lack of a reasonable response, which is to say, get rid of the perpetrators, I am in an almost constant state of rage which is a problem since I have high blood pressure and there is nothing I can do, apart from an eating disorder.

    What’s your story?

    https://vintage-ads.livejournal.com/4776201.html

  24. @Reader And it’s the least I can do, considering I was in the local leadership of the “Palestinian” solidarity movement for most of the first intifada and I have damage to repair, amends to make. And, I have reason to believe God punished me through my family in 1990. And then introduced me to my mother’s first cousin from Israel who came all the way for my sister’s memorial The aforementioned electrical engineer And my father was a Holcaust survivor who lost his whole family and escaped Communist Hungary by walking across a minefield after being falsely imprisoned for a year, and my mother’s family was Litvak and over 95 percent of the Litvaks who remained were murdered. All this weighs on me. Always has. But enough about me.

  25. @Reader once famous shochet and rav who received his smicha from the Netziv at Volozhin in its heyday and wrote the definitive book on the history of kashrut in America, published in New York, in Hebrew, in 1948 (my mother’s paternal grandfather who she grew up in the same house with in Crown Heights) , a cantor, a rabbi, and an electrical engineer who made aliya in 1967, worked on the first generation of Israel’s robot planes that saved Israeli lives in 1973, and, settled in Yesha where had over 80 descendants. in my maternal family tree. Though my parents and uncle went in different directions. But it’s a moot point.

  26. @Reader And that raises another question, if somebody is so divorced from the Jewish community that they can’t prove their connection to it or unless they are being persecuted as Jews like the French Jews, who need to get the hell out of there, pronto, why do they want to make aliya?

    You suggested I try it. I looked up some articles on such difficulties and and there are law firms that specialize in helping people. Too much of a headache considering I’m 63 and have no reason or intention to go any where. I’m a life-long solidarity activist. It’s what I do. Finally, I’m going to bat for my own people.

    Incidentally, I don’t think I’d have a problem, I have a

  27. @ Reader It’s a problem because there are a lot of pretenders, most recently, George Santos, Julia Salazar, AOC. Then you have the Black Israelites or Hebrews or something. You have a lot of antisemites posing as Jews to divide and conquer us. When they arrive, will they side with the Perpestinian Arabs?

  28. @Reader

    because I am not far enough in the process

    What does that mean? And, am I correct in assuming you are Jewish and by birth? You never said? I assumed Felix was and I was wrong.

  29. @Sebastien Zorn

    Are you speaking from personal experience?

    Partially – I know about the docs requirement but I haven’t had any problems yet simply because I am not far enough in the process – and I know the rest from reading about other people’s problems with it.

    Adam Dalgliesh tried it and he shared here that they asked him for recommendations from his college professors, I don’t know how old he is but he must be in his 60s or so.

    The thing is that all those laws that you listed in reality don’t mean anything because they don’t specify a set or sets of documents which is/are sufficient to assure an approval.

    The power of whoever does it to request more and more proofs is virtually unlimited, and the ability of the potential olim to obtain them is usually very small.

    I wish there was a website for people to share their experiences with attempting to make aliyah.

    Try it yourself and see – prove me wrong.

  30. @FelixQuigley

    I have to thank YOU for supplying the link where I found several of his articles including the one about National Socialism.

  31. @Sebastien Zorn

    You can quote any laws you want – I explained to you which documents they DO require, and there is no limit to the variety and quantity of those if they feel like requesting them.

    Try it yourself as an experiment, you will be quickly disabused of the notion that you are really Jewish.

    Modern ketubot are NOT proof of anything (not accepted), it is good only if it is a ketubah of your grandmother.

  32. @Reader

    “…LAW AND MINISTRY OF INTERIOR PROCEDURE

    The first article of the Law of Return states that “any Jew is eligible to make aliyah to Israel” and thus receive Israeli citizenship. The law, however, says nothing about how one will actually prove being Jewish or demonstrate their Jewish heritage. The Israeli Ministry of Interior procedure on making aliyah to Israel has a list of documents required in order to submit the aliyah application.

    The documents required for the Israel aliyah procedure are both religious documents that verify that the applicant is Jewish or of Jewish origin, as well as civil documents that prove who the applicant is.

    RELIGIOUS DOCUMENTS

    making aliyah to Israel

    The Ministry of Interior procedure does not have a specific list of documents that a person making aliyah to Israel will need to submit. Any document proving religious affiliation is acceptable, such as a Jewish marriage certificate (called ketubah in Hebrew), bar mitzvah certificate, proof of burial of parents or grandparents in a Jewish cemetery, membership in a synagogue, membership in Jewish organizations, and any other document which can show a person, or any of their parents and grandparents, are Jewish. Also, the Ministry of Interior clerks will require a person making aliyah to Israel to submit a letter from a rabbi or from another Jewish organization for endorsement of the aliyah request.

    CIVIL DOCUMENTS

    Regarding civil documents, a person making aliyah to Israel will need to bring their passport and birth certificate in order to prove who they are and how they are connected to their Jewish parents and grandparents, and if possible, also their parents’ birth certificates. A person who is married and has children needs to bring the marriage certificate and birth certificates of their spouse and children.

    Other than that, another important document required of anyone who is making aliyah to Israel is a document called “no criminal record certificate.” This police clearance is acquired from the police department (the FBI for example) to show that the aliyah applicant and future Israeli citizen has no criminal background and will not be a threat to the public in Israel.

    AUTHENTICATION OF THE DOCUMENTS

    Note that these documents need to be the originals. If not, the documents need to be authenticated by an Apostille according to the 1961 Hague Convention. This authentication process is just like a Notary Public, but on an international level. This authentication process can also be done at the Israeli Embassy Consular Department outside of Israel…”

    https://lawoffice.org.il/en/documents-making-aliyah-to-israel/

  33. Good Grief Reader

    “The icy fever of elections”

    How could this man in a thousand ways be peering into our world with such vividness?

    You could be after attending ten thousand university courses and not come near an education as in reading this article
    Many thanks for your highlighting this

  34. I watched this video last night and it has been on my mind ever since. I sincerely would like to read what you all make of it. For me I see the basic hookery, the opportunism and to have a discussion with yesha Arabs have a large placard front and centre with what numbers they had say in 1880 and their numbers now. Just that simple true fact. The craft of the Arabs has played the Jews a far too trusting and (perhaps foolishly) generous people. I could add a joke but won’t.

    On giving out sweets

    https://youtu.be/-sUpff50vs8

  35. You know, it amazes me that the same people who are simply horrified by those non-Jewish olim (relatively few) NEVER mention the elephant in the room, namely, the 2 million Arabs within the Green Line alone who are more than antisemitic – most of them wish to get rid of the Jews and their state and to take over their land.

    This may go down as the most useful remark ever made here or anywhere.

    Except that the Arabs or Muslims do not think of Israel as anything other than their Palestine state which has existed like 3000 years. Book knowledge though with these Arabs will not change them I think. I will add a video later.

  36. Hi, Reader.

    National Socialism: it is the most ruthless dictatorship of monopoly capital.

    That may be true. “Monopoly Capital” (sic — I assume you meant “Monopoly Capitalism”), of course, is diametrically opposed to a “free market economy”, which depends not on monopoly, but on competition. and “socialism” is alien to America’s founding principles.

    I have to go. Shalom shalom.

  37. Is a hitler waiting in the wings?

    I am not sure that the US needs or can have a Hitler figure.

    In Germany a Chancellor was (maybe still is?) the most powerful politician in the country thanks to Bismarck, so whoever was appointed Chancellor was able to drastically change the country’s policies.

    In the US the system is very different and, I hate to say that, here we can have fascism/Nazism which doesn’t have to resemble the Hitlerian kind.

    If you permit me to quote Trotsky’s definition of National Socialism:

    it is the most ruthless dictatorship of monopoly capital.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1933/330610.htm

    I would add to his definition that the road to this ruthless dictatorship is paved by the masses of the lowest common denominator that have been brainwashed by the populist politicians who were themselves bought by the monopoly capital.

  38. Hi, Sebastien

    Not if I can help it

    Aren’t we two comics! I think I’m the funniest one here. I laugh when I look in the mirror — after getting over the shock. That person is not me: I’m much younger, as I recall.

  39. @Michael alternate response

    “Sebastien, do you ever say anything serious?

    Not if I can help it, but nobody’s perfect. Other than Amida Buddha. 😀

  40. @Michael I meant funny as in peculiar. Nothing I said was in jest, apart from some mockery of my younger self. I spoke the truth. We have lived in alternate universes, you and I. I never would have predicted that emotional outburst. Touchy character, aren’t you? knock it off.

  41. Hi, Reader.

    We normally don’t have much of substance to say to each other, but you struck a cord here:

    There was a lot of pressure put on Hindenburg who was old, ill, and had dementia.

    Gosh! Why does that sound so relevant? Is a hitler waiting in the wings? Who do you think he is? Is he a person? a number? a balloon?

  42. Sebastien, do you ever say anything serious?

    You mention the Cultural Revolution. I have some familiarity with it, which I certainly didn’t get from my high school history teacher. My son-in-law’s family was badly mistreated during those years, when the government was struggling between the anti-Christian, anti-American Red Guards and the anti-Christian, anti-American “pragmatists”. There was lots of craziness in those years, in the US as well as in China. Israel, on the other hand, seemed to be on an even keel, steered by the seemingly steady hand of the Labor Party ( 😮 ). I got to know my first Jews in those days, who had cut sugar cane in Cuba to support Castro. They ran with other friends of mine, children of Americans who had been persecuted by the McCarthyites. Others in that group were Trotskyites, and “Progressive Labor Party” supporters of some faction or another in China. Two very popular books in those days were a green pocket-book “New Testament, Psalms and Proverbs” and a red pocket-book “The Thought of Chairman Mao Tse Tung”. I carried one in the right pocket of my field jacket, and the other in my left (The commie one, of course, went into the left). Over a space of a few years, I ended up reading them both: the red first,then the green.

    The above was all serious by today’s standards, not a joke. The world had some serious problems then; but it was like a stroll through a shopping mall (minus the beggars and thugs one might meet there nowadays). Over the decades, things have changed tremendously, in order to turn out essentially the same. I raised up both my children according to the Bible. Both ended up in China — the one married to a capitalist, and the other sporting Mao shirts. The “free market” economy there was then taken over by Xi Jinping, who is now publishing his own book, “The Thought of Chairman Xi Jinping”. Meanwhile, in the US, people who used to be considered bat-crap crazy now run the country.

    All of that is also serious, not a joke. It’s the way things are, without exaggeration. Then you said,

    Funny how large numbers of people can buy into lies. Like Ukraine now. They really do believe Ukraine is a valiant David fighting Goliath for peace, self-determination and democracy. Kumbaya.

    I don’t see anything “funny” about it. If you don’t think the Ukrainians are “Davids” fighting a “Goliath”, I suggest you go over to the Ukrainian trenches to tell them jokes. Start by telling them what “Nazis” they are, and how the Russians haven’t invaded them. Hilarious! LOL! Ha ha! Then tell them how evil Americans are, and how Putin is the world’s last real Christian — or how, as Putin has said, the Russians never persecuted the Jews. Funny, funny! Ha ha!. All great fun! These would be great jokes, if they didn’t drip with so much blood.

    Purim 2023 begins at sundown on Monday, March 6, 2023 and concludes at nightfall on Tuesday, March 7, 2023. Let me see…

  43. @Sebastien Zorn

    Sebastien Zorn
    Sebastien Zorn
    February 26, 2023 at 6:14 am
    @Reader I pointed out that the Orthodox only care about ancestry except for converts. It is the Reform who go by level of observance in upbringing for all.

    Obviously, you either didn’t read my comment or you just scanned it.

    It is no longer true that the Orthodox only care about ancestry or, rather, ethnicity, especially in Israel.

    Apply for aliyah (just to test the waters – no one can force you move to Israel), and they will ask you for a letter from an Orthodox rabbi who knows that both you and your mother are Jewish, and how would this rabbi know that unless both you and your mother happened to have attended his shul, and what does it have to do with ethnicity?

    BTW, this rabbi better not be on the secret blacklist of the Chief Rabbinate!

    The Reform give lip service to the Jewish observance while accepting the Jewish parental lineage.

    February 26, 2023 at 6:31 am
    @Reader Also some of the gentile olim have revealed themselves to be antisemites.

    You know, it amazes me that the same people who are simply horrified by those non-Jewish olim (relatively few) NEVER mention the elephant in the room, namely, the 2 million Arabs within the Green Line alone who are more than antisemitic – most of them wish to get rid of the Jews and their state and to take over their land.

  44. @Sebastien Zorn

    his appointment as Chancellor was certainly not a coup

    You are wrong.

    There was a lot of pressure put on Hindenburg who was old, ill, and had dementia.

    Once Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the road was opened to his party to grab as much power as it wanted.

  45. Oh, I forgot to mention, My high school history teacher was talking about the Cultural Revolution in China which had yet to be reversed though Mao had just died. I remember sitting in McDonalds and reading Peking Review from China. Street vendors sold Mao caps and jackets, Mao buttons. It was all the rage. Like Che Guevara a few years before. Funny how large numbers of people can buy into lies. Like Ukraine now. They really do believe Ukraine is a valiant David fighting Goliath for peace, self-determination and democracy. Kumbaya.