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honeybee Said:
you wouldn’t understand, it’s a Hebrew thing
Austin Said:
The “trickster” ,who lives by his wits, in literature. My favorite is Pedro Urdemales, the Mexican trickster who out wits the border guards, angles, St Peter, and the Devil. Only Ha Shem himself, can out with our Pedro. After him Falstaff, Peter Cottontail, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck etc..
@ Austin:
I was looking for a roast of Youngman at the Friar’s Club. can’t find it, but the man mind was so fast with his come backs. His one liners always had a double meaning. I guess he suits my personality.
As for Jackie Mason, my Dad hated him. Called him a “professional Jew “. When mason came on, the TV went off.
In my family “one liners” were a blood sport.
Speaking of “one liners”, someone just handed me a cartoon. Pharaoh is sitting on his throne, Moses leans to him and says,” You would understand , it’s a Hebrew thing”.
@ honey
I recall Henny Youngman, but as a 2nd grade rather than one of the top comedians. To stand in front of a crowd and gabble off one after another, in a glib monotone, smart childish wise-cracks, does not seem to me to be talent, at least not top class talent. Or maybe I like to digest jokes, repeat them without being distacted by a never ending babble of sound. Too much the common con-man type. As the first raters died off and were never replaced, Henny came, by default, into their place. My opinion only of course.
In those days I could, and did-in business- conduct 3-4 conversations on different subjects at the same time, but liked to enjoy my jokes..
Anyway, Honeybee, we can’t agree on everything….and by the way, I like Jackie Mason, who was clever, and saw his first Ed Sullivan appearance, when he was called off the stage by Sullivan in the wings, tapping on his watch, who, as usual ran overtime because of his ridiculous fascination for that Italian baby-toy Topo Gigio, whose operator used to play up to Sullivan, tell him how great he was, which Sullivan loved.
Mason refused to leave the stage, and thumbed his nose at Sullivan who had the curtain dropped. Afterwards, Mason complained that he couldn’t be expected to cut off a monologue after 3 minutes which was to last for 10-12. Sullivan cancelled all the appearances he’d contacted with Mason, and Mason sued, and won $10 mill.
He then refused to take it, saying he just sued to show Sullivan up and got satisfaction enough from having known he was right.
What a mess, never really resolved although a few years later Mason appeared again on Sullivan…once I think.
Maybe you already know this and my comments are redundant, but….
Austin Said:
You are a clever devil indeed. You understand the real purpose behind the purpose. Love to invite Myron Cohen, but must add my hero Hennie Youngman, who can say so much by saying so little.
I envy your wealth time of time that you spend reading.
A single word I wrote in this last post above, reminded me of another writer whose humour I enjoyed. Although almost forgotten, and derided today as racist, Octavus Roy Cohen wrote a series of books introducing to literature the first negro detective, and also a character called Florian Slappey. Regarded as Negro denigration, I think it showed Black resourcefulness and intelligence. Just as the African books of Edgar Wallace are today frowned on, I see only the same cunning, nobility, and resourcefulness in his black characters, more so than in his white protagonists, except of course for the central figures of Sanders and his officers, Hamilton and Tibbetts.
They all, black and white, show the same assets and deficits present in all men, and I for one, re-reading them often, very Politically Incorrectly, derive REAL enjoyment from them. Written in the early years of the 20th cent. they are much, much better than the usual rubbish written of similar characters by other, even famous writers.
@ honeybee:
But that’s just making such comfortable surroundings that they would spend the time showing and comparing their treasures, as well as building up a solid cholesterol reserve. Eventually, you’d have performers like Myron Cohen “dropping in”…and the next thing would be an invitation on the Ed Sullivan Show. So I’m sure that there must have been far more to it than what you’ve just casually mentioned.
It would have become just like Woollcott’s “Algonquin Round Table”, which had enormous influence on his times, literarily speaking, and attracted loads of famous people in a variety of Arts.
So eventually your late father’s dream may have evolved into a village, perhaps a town, filled with the best literary and Art talent in the country. This would have been a blessing and a lifting of literary and perhaps other standards all round, …although contrary to the original intention.
It reminds me of the of Jewish tale, which I have in one of Nathan Ausubel’s books, called I think..”There Are Always Two Choices”.
If you’ve read it, well and good, if you haven’t you should, it’s a typical working out of a seemingly unsolvable situation, with rabbinic skills, typifying the REAL Jew.
Normally I believe that the only way to break anyone of addiction is to overload him/her with a superfluity of the “goodies” until flesh and blood can take no more-like a kid with ice cream… But books and bibliophiles are on such a higher level that it would be only grist to the mill, until the headaches ameliorated, and the eyesight steadied. I have been obsessed with this “affliction” all my life and still today, read more than ever, about 15 hours a day, more if able. And I have eye problems but it doesn’t deter me. Cold cloths every morning help. I don’t know where I’d be without books and the ability to discuss and compare.
Which is why this little exchange is such a pleasure.
@ Ted Belman:
In truth, I have no idea where my comments went to, but they never appeared on the page, so I have to regard them as “went”. As you know I’ve had enormous problems trying for months to get into this site, and became involved in a merry-go-round because of the combination of your computer and Word Press. You were notable to pin any reason down, and I certainly follow ed the abysmally simple instructions to the letter. So it’ll have to be added to Ripley’s list of unsolved mysteries.
However I am present now and stay logged in. Even then, it failed a few times and more by mazal than skill, I eventually regained entry.I feel very guilty because of all the trouble I caused you when you’re up to your eyes in doing 6 things at the same time with only 2 hands and 1 brain. So, I need again to make my apologies.
watsa46 Said:
She does not to alarm her female supporters.
Austin Said:
Good move. My Father also had a fight with a Reform ” Temple” because they would not allow me in Sat. School class with my friends. But, never fear, I was soon expelled for advocating a violent response to anti-Semitism.
Austin Said:
You mean besides the food, Bourbon, good lighting, comfortable chairs and storage space???????????
@ Ted Belman:
I believe it has happened to me, but I such terrible computer skills I may be the culprit.
I think Austen and should take our literary discussions to “Chit-chat” , but my lack of skill prevents me from finding it. Instructions would be helpful.
Hillary and Donald are becoming privy to “intelligence info”! Are we that stupid that we can’t figure out some of those secrets. One of the Punch secrets is OF COURSE the real number of “terrorists” in our country. And tks to BHO many more are coming.
Hillary play dumb and cool and does not want to be hard on the poor Muslims. Donald wants to close the borders the day before YESTERDAY!
According to the FBI there may be about 1,000 open cases and THAT is overwhelming!!! Not really. A 2014 Pew report indicated that > 50% US Muslims want the Sharia to replace the constitution and > 30% find violence and killing acceptable.
So it seems obvious that the US security services are overwhelmed by the excess of potential Islamic terrorists whose number MUST be in the SEVERAL thousands. But Hillary needs the Muslim votes!!!!
Let us not be deceived by these numbers for they may be higher!
@ honeybee:
@ Austin:
It is rare now for comments to end in moderation. Are you saying that yours are going there?
I have no indication of a problem or of comments in moderation.
It’s rare that I find anyone interested in books as books, and it’s enjoyable for me to talk about them. And I think you’ve likely been far deeper into them than I. Thank you.
@ honeybee:
But…and it’s a big but.. how would your treatment evolve. What would it contain?
As for the euphemism, “moderation” it’s …..CENSORSHIP. MY computer crashed 3-4 times at the word “euphemism” just above earlier today. I had to get the internet server to try to fix it. It took about 25 minutes, but didn’t know why…..experts…
Some years ago I was a member here and one day, my innocuous post was printed, and 5 minutes later it had been removed “for moderation” (my first time hearing it). I was furious, but got no satisfaction. So I left the site. I mentioned this to Ted about a year ago and he suggested I return…which I did, a few months ago. I think his computer is super rigged, and had a very cumbersome ritual. I spent about 3-4 months being referred to Word Press, given a new password, told it was not accurate, referred again to Word Press,etc. This went on for months, I kept trying. Drove Ted crazy with about 25 or more emails.
My post which never got through, was about Isaac D’Israeli,although a very good writer, deserving his affliction because he made all his children goyim, and became a lifelong Reform Synagogue supporter..All over a stupid shool quarrel. Certain types of Jews always destroy themselves, pushing for personal pride. We don’t even need enemies.
I also discussed a very rare, complete (the only one I’ve ever found after long searches) Geneva Bible containing the Torah, NT, Apocrypha, 2 Thesaurii,double Index, all the canticles and psalms set to scripted music (with diamond shaped notes) , and I think much more. Some of the parts of this leather bound book are from 1576, and the Frontispiece is a beautiful woodcut, featuring the 12 Tribes, and printed by Robert Barker, Printer to HM King James, dated 1615. The story on the Barker family alone is as fascinating as a thriller novel, as is the story about the Geneva Bible itself. It was the one used by Shakespeare, The Mayflower crowd, John Bunyan and many more, who preferred it to the James version, which actually has about 75% of the Geneva in it.
You may have heard that it was called “The Breeches Bible”, because in Bereshit, when Adam and Eve discover they are naked, and cover themselves with fig leaves, this bible, being a puritan one, says “they made for themselves breeches”….. modesty personified.
Did I say that I have this very copy since a lad. My late father wanted to sell it, along with many other ancient volumes, a load of Charles 2nd vellum rolls (complete with ribbons and huge Green wax seals) to the National Library, which he did-for peanuts. I was against it, but I was too young, he didn’t listen, so I hid the bible and have it today.
Iwonder if this will get through……hmmm
@ Austin:
My Father and I came to our idea when I read him an article about a Rabbi. It seems this Rabbi had been arrested for thief. He had a storage locker with 10,000 purloined books. He had checked them out of libraries and failed to return them. His defense,” he was intending to use them for research”.
Then there was the “nice Jewish boy” who lived in a huge Victorian mansion in Iowa. Again full of purloined books including a Gutenberg Bible, which he secreted from a famous library.
It become obvious that rehabilitation was an lucrative project if insurance companies could coerced to pay for the patient’s recovery.
@ Austin:
I just got modified responding to your above comment. oy
@ honeybee:
Sorry Honeybee, I’ve completed and posted 4 times in reply to yours, each one slightly different, but none of them was printed. The computer maybe……. Perhaps it refuses to take any more items not about Clinton- it’s very balky anyhow….I am completely untechnical so have no idea. Perhaps even this won’t post. But if it does you’ll know what happened.
The new info I had would have been of interest to you being about books and bibliophiles and likely of no interest to anyone else as they were not about Clinton.
I’ve had enough about Clinton for a while and would prefer to hear how Trump is really doing. Others seem to think thatno matter how well he does, he’ll be swindled out of it by the Dem-Clinton mafia-machine……..
@ bernard ross:The Foundation should be renamed the Clinton CARTEL they just had another fundraiser at $250K per head. Naturally no conflict of interest there and of course this will not help Hillary run for President.
Naturally people who provide $250K each do not expect influence or favors if she becomes President.
@ Austin:
My late Father and I once dreamed of opening a rehabilitation home in the remote mts. of Colorado when Bibliophiles could recover from their addiction. Warm ,cozy cabin in the pines, stock with good food and bourbon. And plenty of storage space in the basement.
After his death I had to sell many of books which cause me great pain. He was a renowned Western historian. Later the owner of the book store, to whom I had sold the books, remarked to me of often she had seen his book pass her check out. I must say it gave me great pleasure to know others were enjoying his book. Unfortunately he was unable to read many in his collection to blindness cause by diabetes.
As with Isaac Disraeli he was confine to the dark.
I am please to someone else ,besides myself, know who is the Earl of Beaconsfield . But what about Zuleika Dobson ?
@ honeybee:
No I don’t. I preferred 19th cent. writers with a style less rambling. Just about all of Thackeray, much of Dickens, a little Isaac D’israeli, and a couple of Dizzy himself, including Alroy, and his more interesting Letters. Dizzy WAS a bit flowery… Zangwill…especially his “KING” He defined “Chutzpah. Zuleika Dobson I read, but don’t remember anything.. I was about 17 at the time. Something about a girl conjurer everyone falls in love with and they kill themselves. Maybe I’m thinking about something else. I was confused by Max Beerbohm and Beerbohm Tree, attracted by the fact that it sounded very Jewish.
Two of the very best descriptions I’ve ever read of the Battle Of Waterloo, were by Thackeray and Charles Lever, neither of whom was a soldier, and neither of whom was even of barmitzvah age at the time. I also have a Napoleonic collection of about 120 books, and at this very moment, on my computer I am gradually reading “The Recollections of the Emperor” by Louis Constant Wairey, his Valet for many years.
He’s said to be often not accurate by some historians, but in such a huge collection of anecdotes and events, discrepancies must creep in. At any rate, I’m enjoying it and learning much of the real inside story. And to me, they seem authentic.
I also have Labaume’s Memoires (2 vol).. He was the secretary (at this time-also a diplomat) of Eugene the Viceroy, and gave an enthralling account of the advance into Russia and the Great Retreat. Eugene was an exemplary character.
His description of the Jewish villages they passed through was heartrending. The living conditions were atrocious and personal hygiene non existant. He showed no sign of Anti-Semitism, and I know from tales from my elders some of it was not far from right. When my grandfather was born, Jerome Boneparte was still very much alive, as was, of course Louis Nap.3rd.
I also read Irish writers, like Lever, Samuel Lover, Maria Edgeworth, whom I thought outstanding for her era, and Oscar Wilde. Even ploughed through Moore’s”Lalla Rookhe..well, most of it.It oroved that a great musician can be a poor writer.
Not forgetting good old Frank Harris, who although his “piece de resistance was only published in the early 20th cent. was essentially a 19th century writer. Didn’t teach me anything though.
I’m still an omniverous reader, and own over 7,000 books, all out of print, and sadly, in storage for the past 20 years. I don’t buy any more, nowhere to put them and the internet has gems I’d only heard of. I have the reputed only known novel written by Suzanne Lenglen, the famous tennis diva. VERY rare. Lenglen herself was a totally fascinating character.
And that’s more than enough, when I get onto the subject of books, I go overboard. Sorry, Indeed Very sorry.
@ Austin:
Then you don’t care for Thomas Hardy either and purity of the peasant life.
Since you are fan of late 19th Century English lit., did you ever read ” Zuleika Dobson” by Beerbohm or the syrupy novel of the Earl of Beaconsfield?
Or, as Julian Rose said about the groom in his “Levinsky at the Wedding”.., “fits him vell too…all but the coat and pents..vas made for his brodder but he got merried too”..
It just occurred to me that this page is supposed to be for “chit chat” about Clinton. But I just can’t think of anything worth chatting on, about her. I was brought up to believe that “a liar if worse than a thief”, so I prefer in THIS case to let “sleeping dogs lie”. Fits her like a suit from Savile Row…..
@ honeybee:
The cartoon character seems to be seeing Yogi Berra….. accordin’ to what I’m hearing when I read de woids…
Dat colla’ an’ tie seem te need “revolatin”..
@ honeybee
Are you sure you mean Wilder, and not Thesiger…? Wilder was in a much later Frankenstein film I think. He wouldn’t have been born when “The Bride” was made. At least I don’t think so…..
Besides I didn’t see even a single “eye pop” even if he were what he were…….
@ honeybee:
Nah, she’s far too countrified for my taste. I struggled through the Mill on the Floss, but decided that I don’t approve of girls having affairs with married men…..unless, of course I am that man…
Austin Said:
Austin Said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyEFNQFWBtY
@ Austin:
George Elliot ??????
@ Austin:
I was looking for Gene Wilder, but Lancaster so much better.
@ honeybee:
“Ma baby don’t steal from dumps, Ma baby don’t steal from cans, Ma baby just steals from meeeeee-…..”
@ honeybee:
@ honeybee:
Now we’re getting close to the end….. I’m still going strong, even if you are a “wilting violet”. (I think that was the popular term used often by 19th cent writers, of whose works I read much).
Just digressing into seriousness for a moment, I believe that my favourite amongst a hundred favourites is “The Life and Loves of Arthur Pendennis”and i far prefer Thackeray to Dickens Charles Lever comes a close second, with Somerville and Ross moving up on the outside… …… .
So, back to the titillating badinage…..”Nothing to say Your Honour”.
@ honeybee:
Yes I remember that well, Elsa Lanchester wasn’t she. You seem to have an unending facility for dragging up all sorts of long out of date movies that I just loved. How do you do it….unless you are of the same era… In this case Elsa was doing her flutter because you was “getting a charge” out of it..
Austin Said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPfuDKDXPZc
watsa46 Said:
whose medical records.
Austin Said:
” I ares whats I ares and that all thats I ares” Popeye
Austin Said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiFfUnimUH4
@ honeybee:
I always thought that Breitbart was prominently leftist. Lately he’s become Jewish Jewish, rather than Democratic “Jewish”, which fits better.
I never watch South Park . I’m not American, and, without being prudish, regard epithets commonplace today, as always self-demeaning, coarse and vulgar.
But, I watched the Simpsons, it seems that “simple minded” might be my style….. but in my case, to paraphrase our favourite cretin, “simple does is not simple is”…. but don’t ask for proof…. just a happy-go-lucky big bear…….
@ honeybee:
I always thought that Breitbart was prominently leftist. Lately he’s become Jewish Jewish, rather than Democratic “Jewish”, which fits the better.
I’ve never watched South Park after a few minutes of it’s very first episode. I’m not American, and, withpout being prudish, regard epithets commonplace today, as always self-demeaning, coarse and vulgar.
But, I watched the Simpsons, it seems that “simple minded” might be my style….. but in my case, to paraphrase our favourite cretin, “simple does is not simple is”…. but don’t ask for proof…. just a happy-go-lucky big bear…….
@ honeybee:
@ honeybee:
As that famous romantic lead sailorman said innumerable times…”I yam wot I yam…”
@ honeybee:
Someone must have already hacked their MR (medical record).
Austin Said:
Oh sorry for my immature post. I submit this to prove my comment are , and have, improving and improved.
.http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/09/15/south-park-rips-turd-sandwich-hillary-clinton-season-premiere/
Austin Said:
WE !!!!!!!!!!! Got a mouse in your pocket. [very small mouse]
@ watsa46:
@ yamit82:
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/toons/benson/benson.php3#.V9wBmY-cGM8
@ ArnoldHarris:
Any systemic neuro disease is like a curse!
@ watsa46:
I never liked or trusted either of the Clintons, and I never would have voted in favor of either of them.
But if it proves true that Mrs Clinton is a victim of Parkinson’s disease, then I must regard her destiny with pity. Because I can hardly think of a more degrading way of having one’s life ended, and while I am harsh, I do not require spitefulness for purposes of sustaining my own sense of self-worth and dignity,
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
@ honeybee:
Should we..you and i, be indulging in this titillating badinage on such a serious subject which requires pitch black glasses to survive….?