Speaking at a forum at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy in Washington on Friday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Israel is suspicious of Palestinians and doesn’t care enough about their plight.
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“I’m not making excuses for the missed opportunities of the Israelis, or the lack of generosity, the lack of empathy that I think goes hand-in-hand with the suspicion,” Clinton said, after praising the country’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for working with her in 2009 to offer a moratorium on building new Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank.
“So, yes, there is more that the Israelis need to do to really demonstrate that they do understand the pain of an oppressed people in their minds, and they want to figure out, within the bounds of security and a Jewish democratic state, what can be accomplished,” Clinton added.
“And I think that, unfortunately, there are more and more Israelis and Palestinians who just reject that idea out of hand: Why bother? Why try? We’ll never be able to reach an agreement with the other. But in the last 20 years, I’ve seen Israeli leaders make an honest, good-faith effort and not be reciprocated in the way that was needed.”
Clinton also blasted Israel’s plan of building 3,000 housing units in east Jerusalem and the West Bank.
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“In light of today’s announcement, let me reiterate that this administration — like previous administrations — has been very clear with Israel that these activities set back the cause of a negotiated peace.”
@ dweller:
Thank-you Dweller sweetie,Molly was the very essence of Jewish generousity.
Texas has stated a serious secession movement using the “Tea Party” example. Don’t give up Don’t give in Don’t back up Don’t back down
Dweller don’t try to physic me out, I much to complicated for your darlin little brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ Honey Bee:
Whew!
Dunno, Honey Bee — it’s been over a dozen years.
But here’s Lucianne’s website. No harm asking.
dweller Said:
what a low life! Soon she’ll be running for president and all those fool NY Jews will vote for her like when she was Senator. I wonder if she would have been worse than BO? I wonder how she likes having a jewish son in law; must have been all that Jew cursing that Chelsea heard. No wonder Bill messed around, what a witch!
yamit82 Said:
another great link! I had forgotten about Molly.
@ yamit82:
I loved to watch Molly Goldberg when I was a little girl. I remeber I slways wished she could step from the TV and give me a bowl matzah ball soup and big ol’hug!!!!!!!
@ dweller:
dweller Said:
Lucianne Goldberg ws the mother of Jonah’s?
I always thought it was Molly Goldberg.
@ dweller:
Dweller Darlin,[ your still my darlin] can you still buy those buttons? Cowboy would love to buy one to pin to his Stetson.
@ dweller:
“but he is ALSO entitled, insofar as he is able, to take back whatever he relinquished to date in performance of his original contract obligations”
Absolutely right. Especially when you have a leg to stand on- Someone signed the Oslo agreements. If that were actually done it would bring out the legal case- a GOOD outcome!.
@ dove:
Her problem with Members-Of-the-Tribe goes back quite a bit further than Willy’s fun-&-games with Monica.
Hillary had had occasion to call Dick Morris “you f_ _ k _ _ g” Jew bastard!” Also an aide, Paul Fray (who isn’t even Jewish).
This stuff has apparently long been known to be a regular part of her vocabulary. Examples from 2000:
?“f***ing Jew bastard” [The Times (London), 18 July 2000]
?“f—–g Jew bastard” [New York Daily News, 17 July 2000]
?“f****** Jew bastard” [The Times (London), 16 July 2000]
?“f—– Jew b——” [UPI, 17 July 2000; euphemized fucking is one hyphen short]
?“Jew bastard” [Reuters, 10, 16, 17 July 2000]
?“Jew bastard” [The Washington Post, 18 July 2000]
?“Jew bastard” [New York Daily News, 18 July 2000]
?“Jew b——” [AP, 16 July 2000]
?“an obscenity-laced, anti-Semitic slur” [AP, 19 July 2000]
?“an anti-Semitic obscenity” [AP and St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 26 July 2000]
?“uttered an anti-Jewish slur” [Reuters, 16 July 2000]
?“made an anti-Jewish remark” [TIME, 24 July 2000, p. 64]
?“used rough language” and an “anti-Semitic slur.” [CBS Radio News, 16 July 2000]
Jonah Goldberg’s take on it at the time.
When it became news, Jonah’s mother, Lucianne Goldberg (an early internet blogger) promptly began offering buttons that read, “f*****g Jew bastard,” for $5/ea, on her website.
@ dionissis mitropoulos:
No, I don’t think you have it wrong.
Of course, the PA’s very application for this status (as well as the related stunt it pulled last year at the UN) — even had it been DENIED — plainly constitutes a flagrant abrogation of the terms of Oslo
— which was clearly CONTRACTUAL.
As a general rule, if one of the parties to a contract fails to perform as agreed — then the OTHER party is not only likewise no longer bound to perform on his OWN obligations under the contract
— but he is ALSO entitled, insofar as he is able, to take back whatever he relinquished to date in performance of his original contract obligations.
@ David Chase:
The term occupied can be used in a variety of ways. (In just one of the applications of the word, there can be both legal AND illegal occupations.)
Until such time as Mrs Clinton (or any element of this Administration) states the explicit basis for her use of the word, WE are every bit as free to unqualifiedly shoot back, “nonsense, they are anything BUT ‘occupied’; they are liberated, redeemed, recovered!” as she is to unqualifiedly toss around the ‘occupied’ label.
My personal inclination in such a situation is to demand that an opponent define the term they introduced (if only to put us both on the same page) — so we’ll not be talking past each other — before proceeding to demolish the claim.
Quite so. Also, perhaps, to (rhetorically, if necessary) ask WHY the persistent use of illegitimate — to the systematic & conspicuous EXCLUSION of illegal?
For openers, try T H I S on for size.
Obama and Clinton seek one thing for Israel – Islamic conquest and Jewish annihilation.
@ dove:
Remember generous Hillary did to Yougoslavia,she the Germen bombers after their capital
Laura Said:
H illary does’t gibe a darn
@ dweller:
dweller Said:
Dweller, if the Security Council accepts membership of “Palestine” in the UN as a full member, then this would be a de facto recognition of Palestine as a state – or so i think, have i got it wrong?
Hillary Clinton has a lack of generosity and empathy toward Israelis and doesn’t care enough about their plight. Hillary needs to demonstrate that she understands the pain of an oppressed and despised people alone and vastly outnumbered in a region surrounded by enemies who seek Jewish genocide.
Well, since the Israelis are so much lacking in generosity, then maybe they should take Gaza back? No point in making gifts when they go unappreciated.
Someone should remind Hilary that no nation has ever surrendered land to an enemy that was not militarily strong – yet that’s what Israel did with the Gaza disengagement.
Hilary-ous statements.
leonard whyte Said:
Hilary said we don’t have a heart Is she still mad at Monica
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Israel has “lack of generosity … lack of empathy” for Palestinians? ! We should have empathy for the Palestinians who elected Hamas? Which in Article 7 of its Charter has this:
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/1609.htm
“The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: ‘Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,’ except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews.”
Article 7 is taken from Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177 and quotes the Prophet Muhammad:
http://www.hadithcollection.com/sahihbukhari/85/3715-sahih-bukhari-volume-004-book-052-hadith-number-177.html
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”
Secretary Clinton has gone too far. This is outrageous. How about her lack of concern that the $900m the Obama administration transferred to the Gaza Strip went into the 1500 Grad rockets with which the Palestinians bombarded Israeli cities two weeks ago?
Be’er Sheva under Grad attack
http://www.madisdead.blogspot.co.il/2012/11/beer-sheva-under-grad-attack.html
Ya right Ms Clinton. I’m sure you had alot of empathy for the Afghans when you ripped through their country or the Iraqi’s when you bombed the hell out of them. Didn’t Israel try to warn you that Iraq was a big country and the chances of you finding bin laden were slim to none? What really is your issue with Israel? Never got over hubby’s little fiasco with a Jew so your going to make Israel suffer? It makes you wonder. I would strongly advise you not to continue to play god.It will backfire……NEVER AGAIN!!!
@ dweller:
That’s true. She didn’t use the word “illegal” but her use of the word “occupied” comes from their legalistic interpretation as defined in the Fourth Geneva Convention parameters of what an “occupied” territory is. They claim it is “occupied” on those legalistic terms. It thus becomes a legal term and subject to legal dispute- and I would start with the more recent Levy Report findings and then expand the argument to the historical international realm based on the findings of Howard Grief vis-a-vis the San Remo Conference etc. We need to turn it into a legal argument and then go from there. A good start might be to ask what is meant by the term “illegitimate” and what makes Jewish habitation in the West Bank as such an “illegitimate” one.
@ leonard whyte:
You make it sound like those provinces belonged to somebody else. DO you?
The Security Council has no more power to create states than does the General Assembly.
Council does have the capability of command under Chapter VII of the Charter, but only in dealing with direct threats to international peace.
— Creating new states isn’t part of it.
NO U.N. body has that authority.
@ David Chase:
Did she actually use the word, “illegal,” David?
If so, that would be a change.
I’ve never known her (or His Wonderfulness himself) to explicitly characterize the Jewish communities as “illegal.”
— They’ll use the more slippery & subjective term illegitimate for all it’s worth — but “illegal” has been one word that (until now, anyway) they wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole.
She (and he) appear to have been quite systematic about it; no ‘sheer coincidence’ there.
@ leonard whyte:No, I disagree. This is what Hillary should have said: The US demands that the PA
1 Explicitly recognize Israel as Jewish state
2. Explicitly renounce the absolute & nonnegotiable demand for “right of return of all refugees & their descendants {self identified} to the pre-67 boundaries of “Palestine”)?Urge that Palestinians living in the camps in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, etc. be offered citizenship in their resident countries Also offer them the option of citizenship in a West Bank Palestinian state. ( PA position is that “refugees” in the camps, even on the West Bank will not be offered citizenship in a new Palestinian state)
3. Abandon the demand that West Bank, East Jerusalem, and any other Palestinian territory be jew-free
@ bahmi:
Forget it when it comes to American Jews. Most are hopeless. Their religion is liberalism. They’re post-Jewish.
I used to work for a close friend of Hillary’s, a classmate from Yale. He was Jewish. He used to bait me about Israel’s activities in the recovered territories. It had nothing to do with anything we were supposed to be discussing. When Hillary came on the scene some years later, I would observe her public activities through the media in the early days of her husband’s administration. I realized she and my then-former boss were like peas in a pod. I would never trust her on Israel. Just too far left.
Israel is playing with fire. By continuing expansion of settlements and gobbling up more territory, America will not be there to support Israel in U N security council with that necessary veto. This will bring us closer the creation of a Pal state. I have always said that Jews are the masters of outsmarting themselves. And you know that in your heart you all agree.
“These activities set back the cause of a negotiated peace.” – That’s the idea Hillary.
@ C.R.:
Obama has appointed around 45 czars and virtually all are jews. The people around him are largely jews, remember Rahm Emanuel? This makes us happy? This is something we openly admit? Yet, all we hear is how scratchy is his relationship with Bibi. People must realize there is much feinting going on with this ingrate Obama. He seeks a Bolshevik solution to the situation in the US, he seeks communism, and who around him could be whispering in his ear that communism is the way the US should go?
@ C.R.:
C.R. you know them.
At least someone around here tells the truth.
Hillary Clinton like her husband is an anti-Semite–and both are whores!
“the lack of generosity, the lack of empathy”
Tell that to the doctors and nurses who take are of Palestinians – including in the West Bank.
Hillary Clinton is simply returning to where she started as a friend of Arafat.
She conveniently and suddenly embraced Israel when she moved to New York and ran for U.S. Senate and then for President.
Israel has never been more isolated in the world than they are today and as a result of the Obama administration. This is one more example of why that is.
Only Hillary Clinton can say with a straight face “Jews can’t feel the pain of an oppressed people.”
What BS! The Arabs want to kill all the Jews in Israel and they have the entire world behind them. The Jews have no one.
Israel has tried to achieve peace with the Arabs but the reason peace is impossible has nothing to do with Israeli personalities or policies. It has everything with the Arab rejection of the Jewish right of self-determination and the existence of the Jewish State.
This is an outlook shared by both Fatah and Hamas. Hillary Clinton’s remarks amount to sheer chutzpah and leave a bad taste in one’s mouth!
Shorter Hillary: “Fight fair, Jew!!!”
“the pain of an oppressed people” What a lie! The only oppressors they have are their own leaders.
So that’s it Hilary and Obama have sold Israel out to a terrorist state for oil wealth and anti-semitism. Not a word about the Gazan commitment to terrorism. The life of Israel hangs by a thread and this kind of excrement is coming out of her mouth!
It’s interesting how Hilary and Obama have become working for terrorists themselves – they have no moral principles except the lust for power.
I just edited myself. Can’t someone ask that piece of you-know-what how she continues to conclude that the Jewish “neighborhoods” in the West Bank are illegal- or sitting on “occupied” territory. Why doesn’t anybody spit back in her face, a lawyer to boot, the truth of Jewish legal rights based on the very international law she cites calling the territories “occupied”.-besides the issue of from whom? is it occupied. We have answers. We have responses. I never hear them. What does Dan Shapiro tell his kids on Passover night. Next year in Jerusalem? or Next year in Ramallah? Maybe if Hillary and company would simultaneously say something about the Palestinian intransience- or the fact that accords were reached 20 years ago calling for all issues to be negotiated. Why doesn’t anybody ask her why the Palestinians never changed their charter calling for the destruction of Israel which was part of the Oslo accords. Sure, that’s not significant. Why isn’t she blasting the PA for making a unilateral move- that’s negotiation? I actually think she’s worse than Obama because she’s been disgusting for a lot longer time.