by Ivan Katchanovski on Thread Reader November 25, 2023
Now head of Zelensky party faction in Ukrainian parliament & head of Ukrainian delegation in Ukraine-Russia talks confirms that peace deal could have been reached in spring 2022 if Ukraine agreed to neutrality.
His original interview in Ukrainian:
“The war could have ended in the spring of 2022 if Ukraine had agreed to neutrality. This statement was made by the leader of the Servant of the People faction, David Arakhamia, on air with journalist Natalya Moseychuk.
“Russia’s goal was to put pressure on us so that we would accept neutrality. This was the main thing for them: they were ready to end the war if we accepted neutrality, like Finland once did. And we would give an obligation that we would not join NATO. This is the main thing,” – said Arakhamia.
When asked why Ukraine did not agree, he replied that for this, firstly, it was necessary to change the Constitution, and secondly, there is no trust in the Russians that they will do this. He also said that Boris Johnson came to Kyiv then and said that he did not want to sign anything with the Russians and “let’s just fight.”
It should be noted that the media previously repeatedly reported that the Ukrainian authorities refused to sign the agreement in the spring of 2022 after negotiations with Johnson. And now, as we see, Arakhamia has actually confirmed this.
Let us recall that according to media reports, Putin in the spring of 2022 was ready to withdraw troops to the line on February 24 in exchange for the neutral status of Ukraine. And former German Chancellor Schröder, who participated in the negotiations , stated that Putin even agreed to return Donbass to Ukraine with a special status.
At the same time, Ukraine soon withdrew from the negotiations. And Zelensky announced an official course for war before reaching the 1991 borders.”
Translation of interview by Davyd Arakhamiia, head of Zelensky faction in Ukraine parliament & head of Ukrainian delegation at peace talks with Russia: “They really hoped almost to the last moment that they would force us to sign such an agreement so that we would take neutrality. It was the most important thing for them. They were prepared to end the war if we agreed to, – as Finland once did, – neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO.
In fact, this was the key point. Everything else was simply rhetoric and political ‘seasoning’ about denazification, the Russian-speaking population and blah-blah-blah…
Moreover, when we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we would not sign anything with them at all, and let’s just fight.”
Arakhamiia added that Western partners knew about the negotiations and saw drafts of documents, but did not attempt to make a decision for Ukraine, but rather gave advice.
“They actually advised us not to go into ephemeral security guarantees [with the Russians – ed.], which could not have been given at that time at all,” said Arakhamiia, who headed the negotiating delegation.”
@Michael
A couple of things to consider. The Business Insider is a well known outlet which acts as a spokesbox for the White House, but this story isn’t sourced to the White House. As the article explains, the source for this story is actually Iran, and ironically enough this is not the first time Iran has falsely made this claim. Time will tell if the Iranain fantasy of these Russian weapons has actually materialized or if this is just another rehash of their fake news reports from months past, but until a more credible source than Iran is to report that Iran is getting a Russian upgrade to their airforce, I would caution that this is more likely than not simply more Iranian fake news.
For anyone still wondering, what side Russia is on:
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sending-fighter-jets-attack-helicopters-iran-increasing-ties-us-2023-11
https://www.eutimes.net/2023/11/finland-closes-entire-border-with-russia-due-to-influx-of-muslim-illegal-migrants/
More and more, I respect these Finns!
“The Russian leader provided the Hamas delegation that visited him in Moscow with a list of eight hostages holding Russian citizenship, requesting they be released.”
Finally, someone here who speaks common sense about Russia. Russian accounts on Twitter/X are dripping with antisemitism and pro-hamas rhetoric. I don’t understand the hold Russia and Putin have on the right wing in the west.
Peloni
I wrote: “But his life was in danger because there was a change of STATE POWER”
I want to make that more precise. Not some general change of power which is far too vague.
There was a coup d’etat in 2014.
The then elected President of the country was thrown out of power, hunted like Allende, fled for his life and another power took power. I mean state power.
It was a classic coup with many actors in conditions of a Soros type colour revolution.
That is why I insist on precision in my own writing on this.
This was the abandonment of parliamentary democracy and power passing to armed bodies of men on the streets.
Immediately and as a result OF THAT COUP the coup leaders were incorporated into the very state itself.
This can quite easily be checked.
So from that moment the state was a new and different state and so we come to the election of Zelensky in 2019.
Although he was elected by a great majority he was still forced to rule under that previous CHANGE IN THE STATE POWER having been enacted.
The people voted en masse for peace but Zelensky was part of that Maidan installed state power. And he therefore betrayed the people who voted.
To fight on that program of peace meant taking on the racists and Fascists as well as the BRITISH AMERICAN AND EU NeoCons.
The Russians were desperate for peace but the NeoCons gave the exact opposite
I am of course critical of these Russian leaderships which Stalinism has thrown up and Putin is one such.
But how could any nation lie down and surrender to NeoCon scavenging of their nation.
The position of Bear Klein is most serious for Israel. He is in reality a NeoCon and supports their aims.
My Ukrainian friends hate the Russians and supported throwing the Russian puppet President out in 2014. They said he was a Russian spy. They support a Ukraine free of Russian influence and want to run their own affairs. This is why they have been fighting so hard against a larger enemy.
They wish to be part of the EU and not part of greater Russia. That some of you view this differently matters not to them nor to me.
Russia is also the ally of Israel’s greatest enemies. Many of you have danced around this or tried to discount this by various faulty arguments. That Biden is an idiot and placates Iran and allows it access to billions of dollars, does not make Russia a lesser evil. That Ukraine is far from perfect does make Russia less evil.
Peloni you are 100 per cent correct in this. There was a very extreme ideology inside of the government set up with the forces like Right Sector who came to control the Maidan protest movement, which was also a civil war in operation, along with the NeoCon ideology. I emphasize ideology. I do not underestimate how difficult it is to destroy that ideology. Unless that can be defeated theoretically at first of course, Israel will be in great danger.
SEB-
Alaska was never peopled by Russia. There were only a handful of Trappers and a few Fur traders there at any given time .However they were there before any American trappers. I’ve read several stories about Alaska in the past.
They LEGALLY SOLD Alaska to the US after the Civil War, even though they had only a dubious claim.
So that aide is talking through his hat (to be polite).
@Felix
True enough. Yet, then again, puppets don’t hand over power, they are given the pretense of free movement while the strings which direct their moves are not within their own control.
Israel must cut those strings, as just with Ukraine, the puppet masters in America have only ill intent for Israel.
I forgot to mention that Zelensky was voted into PM position by a landslide on a platform of PEACE, which definitely was a massive rejection of the Maidan coup and the war in Donbass. He soon tried to MAKE PEACE with the Donbass
But his life was in danger because there was a change of STATE POWER.
The whole of Lenin and Trotsky political lives were ALL about hammering home this point.
Do not be a Marxist if you wish but this remains always as a universal law in politics.
You never hand over power to the enemy.
Gaza too!!!
A timetable month by month ( last entry February 2033) in New York Times did not include this event which was the pivotal event. There would have been huge support in Russia for this. And large support also in Ukraine except the Fascists had the power from Maidan coup 2014. Clearly Biden Johnson and EU need to answer urgently.
Also note this “Arakhamiia, who headed the negotiating delegation.”
This should be an earth shattering interview.
Especially Russia. Who, besides Chelm, I mean, Israel, gives land back after winning, “snatching defeat from the jaws of victory,” as it were.
Overshadowed by the invasion of Ukraine, Russia’s recent and rapid militarization of a group of islands claimed by Japan has flown largely under the radar. Taken by Russia at the end of World War Two, Kunashiri, Etorofu, Shikotan, and the Habomai islands of the Kuril Island chain, which Japan claims as its “Northern Territories,” have complicated relations between the two states for decades.
The U.K. under Thatcher threatened to Nuke Argentina over the Faulklands/Malvina Islands.
July 6, 2022
https://alaskapublic.org/2022/07/06/putins-aide-threatens-to-claim-back-alaska-in-response-to-us-sanctions/
Well, they couldn’t very well have withdrawn from areas that had been accepted into the Russian Federation. Like the U.S. agreeing to withdraw from Texas, Alaska, or Hawaii, That makes no sense.