Peace deal means getting Jewish state back from the Arab world
By Shaul Arieli, HAARETZ
How serious Benjamin Netanyahu really is about resuming talks with the Palestinians will be reflected in the extent of his effort to reshape Israeli public opinion, where the concept “there is no partner” has been thoroughly assimilated, partly because of the prime minister’s own utterances.
First, Netanyahu will have to cope with the Israeli presumption that the status of the territories is, at best, “disputed,” though they are usually perceived as “liberated” or “promised,” either by the Balfour Declaration or God himself. United Nations resolutions stating that they are “occupied territories” where a Palestinian state is destined to rise have been disregarded. Accordingly, every inch of the West Bank from which Israel withdraws is perceived as a concession, of both historical rights and real estate.
A second problem is that Israelis perceive their country’s control of the West Bank as the starting point for “mutual concessions.” The Palestinian concession in 1988 of 78 percent of “historical Palestine” is considered irrelevant. From the premiership of Ehud Barak to that of Netanyahu, Israel has eschewed territorial exchanges on a one-to-one basis, whose ultimate meaning is carving up the “poor man’s lamb,” to use the biblical metaphor.
Third, Netanyahu will have to confront the public’s impression that Ehud Olmert, like Barak before him, “gave up everything” but was turned down by the Palestinians. In the Israeli consciousness, “everything” refers to the territorial issue and leaves out Jerusalem, the refugees and security. In fact, the Palestinians stretched the interpretation of the UN’s resolutions in order to accede to Israeli demands in at least the four following ways.
Although the international community denies the legality of the settlements, the Palestinians proposed a territorial exchange that allows 75 percent of the settlements to remain under our sovereignty. Although the international community has determined that East Jerusalem’s status is the same as the West Bank’s, the Palestinians agreed to leave the neighborhoods Israel established after 1967 in Israel’s hands. Despite the centrality of the refugee issue, the Palestinians agreed that the practical solution would be financial compensation and to settle the refugees in Palestine. And although every country has a natural right to things like air space, coastal waters and an army, the Palestinians agreed to Israeli demands that take bites out of their sovereignty.
Fourth, Netanyahu will have to face up to the Israeli predilection for creating realities by force of arms rather than seeking international legitimization – as expressed in David Ben-Gurion’s dictum, “It’s not important what the goyim say, it’s important what the Jews do.” The source of this concept lays in Israel’s success in winning the world’s recognition for its conquests in the War of Independence, a war that was fought under different circumstances than exist today. The tripling of the settlements since the Oslo Accords reflects the prevalence of the illusion that we will be able to annex them simply because we built them.
Both Netanyahu and the Israeli public will have to get used to the fact that by reaching an agreement, we won’t be bestowing a state on the Palestinians. We will be getting the Jewish state back from an Arab world ready to accept it, not out of love but because it has no alternative.
Israel has indulged in a great deal of foreplay in these negotiations, mostly with itself. Barak and Olmert got closer than Ariel Sharon and Netanyahu, but not one prime minister has mustered the courage to reach the point where an agreement actually has a chance to be conceived. Until we get to that point of our own free will, the Palestinians will prefer to remain in the cozy embrace of the international resolutions, in the hope that they will be implemented, against Israeli interests.
Maybe he thinks it, maybe he is campaign mode [whites are a minority now in Texas—a fact that must drive liberals crazy sine we are a conservative state which should only be so if we were almost exclusively dumb white red-necks].
Whatever, I don’t like him not backing up AZ. Perry is a mixed bag, but I’ll take him over a Demoncrat.
So why has Rick Perry suddenly gone Behar?
He opposes Arizona’s immigration enforcement law.
It is bad enough when liberals are liberal.
If you can wrap your brain around it, the emergence of Islam as a factor in world stability is a symptom of the disease liberalism.
The messianic jihads would love to destroy the world, but liberals are beating them to the punch. Whatever part Islam contributes to mass destruction—they do the dirty work—it will only have been made possible by socialist Marxists who are no less dangerous. Leftists think they are going to bring down the U.S. and get rid of Israel, then live happily ever after in a multi-cultural global community with Islam—absolutely nuts!
Strictly GQ
Can someone photoshop in the long hair? Maybe with a bandana? That would be, like, far out, man!
Ayn,
Not so. I have always believed in your first paragraph. But the unholy alliance of Islam and the left, wasn’t so front and centre way back when. The left has alsways been subversive. They stood for anti capitalism, anti colonialism, anti imperialism, anti American military.
My liberalism was limited to fighting for Jewish rights up until the late fifties. I was never part of the anti crowd.
We never looked at the anti crowd as being liberals. They were leftists.
I in no way identified with the anarchists or hippies of the sixties. I was too busy getting an education.
Then I was introduced to Commentary Mag and was a goner. I kept every issue for thirty years.
Could the left possibly get any more psychotic?
Sociologist Uncovers New Israeli Abomination: IDF Soldiers Not Raping Arab Women!
Finally, some good news for women: Israeli sociologist Tal Nitzan, conducting groundbreaking research, has discovered that, contrary to popular belief, getting raped and not getting raped feel exactly the same. The prize-winning research compared the experiences of women who were gang-raped by Serbian soldiers to the experiences of Palestinian women who weren’t raped at all by Israeli soldiers, reaching the surprising conclusion that the experience of both groups of women is exactly the same, “This is why we have scientific research – to challenge our traditional beliefs and discover the truth, using the best political methods available,” said Nizan, a graduate student in the Hebrew University.
Nizan says that the most difficult thing in the research was hearing firsthand about the horrifying experiences of the poor Arab woman who did not get raped, “The pain, the suffering and the sheer degradation of this experience is hard to believe,” said Nizan,”For most Arab women, the scars of not being raped will never heal – this is just one more appalling by-product of the occupation.”
In Israel, many were shocked and dismayed at the result of the research. IDF Chief, Gabi Ashkenazi, issued an apology to all Arab women for not getting raped and promised to conduct a thorough investigation as to the reasons, “Obviously, we are doing the best we can to encourage our soldiers to rape Arab women in order to avoid offending them,” Ashkenazi said, “After all, as Nizan has pointed out, the reality of occupation is difficult enough without having to go through the life-scarring experience of not getting raped as well.”
MK Galon from Meretz praised Nitzan and thanked her for uncovering this dehumanizing behavior, “This just proves what we’ve been saying all along – the occupation is corrupting Israeli society.”
Galon went on to suggest
that Israel establish Non-Rape Crisis Centers in the occupied territories in order to treat the hundreds of thousand of women who have not been raped by Israeli soldiers, “It’s the least we can do,” said Galon.
However, others seem prepared to go one step further, “These soldiers should be investigated,” said Ahmad Tibbi, “And if they are found guilty of not raping our women – they should be tried and sentenced for their crimes against humanity.
“We demand equality,” Tibi said, “Our woman are just as rape-worthy as any other woman and besides, when we have the opportunity to rape Jewish women we do it, so why can’t Israeli soldiers show some humanity, some compassion, and rape our women when they get the chance? What is wrong with you guys?” asked Ahmad Tibi.
Good question: what is wrong with us Jews?
What is wrong is that we are paying for this filthy piece of propaganda, thinly disguised as research, and that these researchers are currently on strike in order to get more taxpayer money in order to produce more political research, “proving” whatever cockamamie ideas that are currently acceptable by the world-wide moon-bat community.
In Hebrew they say that shit rises to the top. I guess that this research has, at least, proven that adage quite true. But it still wasn’t worth it.
Ha’aretz Editor Is Trying to Get Olmert Raped
Rape is in the air. First we reported the innovative research which proved scientifically, that Israeli soldiers are racist for not raping Arab women, and now we hear that the editor of Ha’aretz, David Landau is trying to arrange for Israel to get raped by the United States. Obviously, the editor’s words were taken out of context – no country can actually rape another one. We take it that Landau was trying to arrange for Israel’s leader, Prime Minister Olmert, to get raped by America’s leader, President Bush upon his approaching visit to Israel.
As Daniel Pipes points out, such interference in the personal sex life of democratic leaders is unheard of, “Getting raped is an extremely private affair,” said Dr, Pipes, “And it is usually spontaneous – hardly the sort of thing that should be arranged, even if it is done by a true friend of Israel like Landau.”
Ha’aretz Editor, David Landau, did not deny this request but he did explain that it is only for the good of the country, “Someone has to rape Olmert before it is too late,” explained Landau in his usual rational manner. Landau also added that several other cabinet members should get raped as well, “I asked that Livni, Barak, and Mofaz get raped too, if the President’s schedule permits it,” said Landau, who is still working on the list of individuals, organizations and sectors in Israel that have to be raped by America, “As long as President Bush is here we might as well have as many rapes as possible,” said Landau, who reiterated that it is for the good of the country, “Rape is good for you, everybody knows that,”said Landau, “In fact, I would get raped myself if I wasn’t allergic to it,” said the editor of Ha’aretz.
Olmert said that he appreciates the efforts made by Israel’s best friends to improve the relationships between Israel and America. Olmert said that such a favor has to be returned, “Allergies notwithstanding, I have invited the editors of the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and Newsweek magazine to join Bush in his visit to Israel in order to gang rape the editor of Ha’aretz, said Olmert, “David Landau is a great friend of Israel and also a personal favorite of mine and I know for a fact that he deserves to get raped,” said Olmert.
Unfortunately, the long list of eager rape candidates may have to wait. President Bush has said
that although he sincerely loves Israel and all of its leaders and cabinet ministers, he has a problem with using violence against his loved ones, “If I love someone I would much rather coddle them gently and make they sure they are safe and healthy and well-provided for,” said Bush who was quick to reassure Israel’s friends at Ha’aretz, “Of course that’s just my own idiosyncrasies speaking,” explained Bush, “To each his own is what I say and if some people prefer tough love than surely it is their right to do everything they can to get it for themselves or inflict it upon their loved ones.”
Related:
The original article from Daniel Pipes Weblog
Ha’aretz Editor Explains Why Rape is Better Than Democracy
Following our report about the editor of the Israeli daily Ha’aretz calling for the rape of various individuals and organizations in Israel, we now present our follow up interview with said editor:
ISL: David, Ha’aretz is well-known for its aggressive stance on human rights so, like the rest of the country, I was quite surprised to hear that you are an advocate of rape. Can you explain that?
Ha’aretz editor: Gladly. First I want to clarify that I am against rape per se. Rape, as I understand it, is against the law and of course, like all of our readers I am a law abiding citizen, because without the law, we are lost. That said, there are certain circumstances in which rape is not only necessary but even beneficial to the receiver.
ISL: Such as?
Ha’aretz editor: Such as when confronted with people who simply refuse to do what is good for them, like the current Israeli government and, in fact, most of the Israeli people.
ISL: And the only possible solution is to rape everybody who disagrees with you?
Ha’aretz editor: Well, we did try persuading people at first, but that didn’t work too well. To tell the truth, we failed quite miserably, so I guess the answer to your question is yes, rape, under the circumstances, is inevitable.
ISL: Although it is a clear violation of human rights- which you support wholeheartedly.
Ha’aretz editor: Obviously we support human rights and that is always the number one item on our agenda. But frankly, you can hardly call these people human. In fact, as we see it, the people who oppose us, actually oppose everything that is right and just and beautiful in this world, so, in a way, haven’t they forfeited their humanity? Can we really call them human? Or should we be calling them racist, fascist animals, worse than rats and snakes?
ISL: Should we?
Ha’aretz editor: Of course we should! After all, rats don’t have free choice, they are what they are, but here we are talking about humans- or rather people who could have been human, who could have been free individuals and subscribe to Ha’aretz, get a degree in the humanities and vote Meretz, and despite that, despite the obvious advantages of such a choice, and the refined elegance and dignity of such a life – have rejected it. In fact, when you think about it – these people have brought it upon themselves – they are in fact raping themselves.
ISL: Yes. Well, spare me the details…what about democracy? Doesn’t this kind of thinking run contrary to the ideal of a democratic Israel?
Ha’aretz editor: Democracy is the greatest political idea mankind has ever known. Ha’aretz is firmly committed to democracy and so are all of our staff and readers. There can be no questioning of that. However, democracy is also a flawed system, especially in Israel where democracy is greatly misunderstood.
ISL: Would you care to explain?
Ha’aretz editor: Many have been tricked into believing that democracy means rule of the people.
ISL: Of course it does. Doesn’t it?
Ha’aretz editor: What people? Surely it doesn’t mean all the people? That would be terrible! What democracy really means is that people who are normal people, people who know what’s right, people like us – meaning, basically, people we can trust – these are people who should rule. In fact, we are the only people who can rule because we are the only ones who know what’s right for this country – because, inherently, we are the people.
ISL: You and who else?
Ha’aretz editor: Colleagues, friends. Some family, although, to be sure, my son in law is a jack ass.
ISL: Well what about the elections? Don’t they mean anything?
Ha’aretz editor: Who knows? They probably mean something to somebody. Elections are like the carnival in Rio de Janeiro. It’s a country wide happening that envelopes everyone for months and lets the common people forget about their horrid lives and stupid meaningless jobs. Elections are really just a lot of harmless fun.
ISL: And the results – they too are meaningless?
Ha’aretz editor: Well, judging by the results in the last thirty years, they certainly should be.
ISL: You miss the elections of yesteryear?
Ha’aretz editor: Absolutely. Everything was so much neater then. People were nicer and much more polite and they voted exactly the way we told them. Votes were much cheaper to buy and much easier to arrange. Those were the days.
ISL: What happened to this democratic ideal?
Ha’aretz editor: The occupation, what else? People began getting ideas. Pride and self-confidence and dignity came out of nowhere like a plague. People didn’t want to be told what to do. They started talking back to their superiors…It was a terrible time for democracy. And it still is.
ISL: That’s so sad. But, let’s get back to the future – what can be done now to save Israeli democracy and human rights?
Ha’aretz editor: Well, like I said rape is the beginning of the solution to all our problems.
ISL: If rape is just the beginning, I’m not sure I want to know the rest…
Ha’aretz editor: The worse you are sick, the more painful the cure is going to be. Any doctor will tell you that.
ISL: And that means…
Ha’aretz editor: That there are worse things than rape. As the poet once said: “Come grow old with me – the worst is yet to be!”
ISL: Oy!
In the photo: Ha’aretz editor explains his democratic vision
Israeli Satire Laboratory
A mad Israeli experiments with satire in the volatile Middle East
I’ve already picked out a wedding gift for you two.
He’s perfect for me.
And here is a good litany of Haaretz’ unprofessional and bigoted behavior.
Here is a relevant blast from the past about Haaretz:
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=14347
Laura,
Have I got a guy for you.
No need to thank me.
Matchmaking is my life.
It’s a gift.
No.
Haaretz really thinks that if Israel gives up everything, the Palestinians will slaughter Jews.
Haaretz embraces Israel’s genocidal enemies.
Because there actually IS no partner. The arab-muslims known as the “palestinians” want to murder Jews, not live in peaceful coexistence with them.
Also by the fact that the arab-muslim nation of Jordan illegally occupied the territories in 1948 and threw out the Jews.
What a horrendous editorial.
HaAretz and Obama:
HaAretz a year ago got a very exteme leftist editor, who has been unleashing his inner Jew-hater in an ever stronger manner.
Obama (with H. Clinton) enables all the liberal Jew-haters in the world to let loose and unload. HaAretz (25% owned by christian germans whose parents worked with hitler) went so far as to commit something bordering on treason, as they shelter one of their reporters who possesses stolen classified documents.
As opposed to being slapped down, HaAretz is not only not punished, but is emboldened to be even more brazen precisely because it was not punished.
And why were they not punished? Because Israeli society suffers from the fatal liberal sickness. Secular “Jews” in Israel, who control the government (including Netanyahu), just like secular “Jews” in America, have lost all meaningful Jewish values, and replaced them with self-loathing liberalism. They would actually prefer to see Jewish Israel destroyed by the savage muslims, rather than see Jews who still believe in G-d take over.
And we see similar abominations happening everywhere in the white world: self-loathing white liberals in America, driven by their hatred for white christian conservatives, promote unrestricted and unlimited mexican immigration to America, and “pray” for the day when America becomes majority non-white, so that Obama can be proclaimed presidente for life. And in merry old england, the pseudo-intellectual, elitist head of the Labour Party (which started out as the representative of the common working man) brands a loyal white supporter as a “sort of bigot” for voicing the thought that brits in their own country should be protected and given some preference over uninvited foreign immigrants.
Duty free
Now if only Israel had been endowed by real Jews the would follow the following Jewish guidelines:
Sanhedrin 72a-b
April 25, 2010
Judaism does not subscribe to the idea that one should “turn the other cheek” when attacked. In fact, one important rule taught by the Talmud is ha-ba le-horgekha, hashkem le-horgo – if someone comes planning to kill you, you should hurry to kill him first.
This rule is applied by our Gemara to the case of a ba ba-mahteret – someone who comes at night to rob someone. According to the Mishnah, he can be killed al shem sofo – because of what will happen in the end. Rava explains this to mean that people do not willingly allow others to take their money, so the robber knows that the person he is robbing will defend his property. We assume, therefore, that the robber will be prepared to kill him. Recognizing this, Rava teaches that the Torah instructs ha-ba le-horgekha, hashkem le-horgo.
While Rava presents this rule as being well established in the Torah, he does not offer a source, and it is not clear where, in fact, does the Torah teach this rule?
The Midrash Tanhuma says that we learn this rule from the commandment (Bamidbar 25:17-18) given to Moshe telling the Jewish People to harass and smite the Midianites; the explanation given for this is that they harass and plan against you. Thus we see that their plans make them liable to be fought and defeated.
The Ramah raises the issue that this case is not a normal case of rodef – someone who is chasing after another person to kill him, who can be killed by anyone – since the robber is not directly threatening the owner of the property; it is only his response to the owner of the property who is defending himself that creates the threat. The Ramah explains that we nonetheless view the robber as a rodef since he knows that his actions will instigate the threat against his own life. We therefore view him as being the one who is threatening.
This essay is based upon the insights and chidushim of Rabbi Steinsaltz, as published in the Hebrew version of the Steinsaltz Edition of the Talmud.
North Korea… nukes… what???
Our aging Israeli president told Danish FM that North Korea sells nuclear armaments to Iran. It could be that Peres lost his mind, but perhaps not.
I have speculated in previous comments about reported sales of enriched uranium by North Korea to Iran and their nuclear cooperation. I have suspected that Iran would attempt to procure ready offthe shelf nuclear bombs from North Korea.
What exactly does Peres know about North Korean sales of nuclear weapons?
Haaretz really thinks if Israel gives up everything, the Palestinians will now sign on the dotted line? There can be no peace with only half the Palestinians. Yet every serious analysis of the Middle East dismisses or minimizes this reality. Israel offered to give up 97% of Yesha twice before, only to be met the first time with a bloodbath and the second time with no serious counter-offer from the Palestinians.
What has changed in the last decade? I would say there is no real peace partner on the other side – who it should be pointed out, refuses to even talk directly to Israel let alone be prepared to make painful compromises to make peace happen.
No – that won’t be realized in our lifetime.
NYT, Haaretz, in fact, most publications—someone needs to do a mental health study on the neurotoxicity of newspaper—there are to many cases of mental illness in the industry for coincidence.
Ted,
I have repeatedly emphasized to you that the most dangerous enemy to Zionism is not Islamism…it is the liberalism that enables Islamism.
You initially recoiled, citing your self-image as being liberal.
Melanie Phillips has written a tour de force book, “The World Turned Upside Down”.
She lays out the case brilliantly.
Phillips’ premise is that the Fascist Left has inverted reality, and seeks to destroy anyone who tells the truth.
She details the ruthless marginalization in Britain of anyone who is bible-believing, pro-American, pro-Zionist…even pro-British.
She examines the liberal penchant for codifying outrageous myths into official facts on issues ranging from family values to global warming.
It is a worthwhile read for anyone who wants to understand that the fight against Islamic fascism must begin with vanquishing liberalism.
re: Haaretz.
The all-time favorite politician of its editors was Yasser Arafat, the most prolific Jew killer since Hitler.
And Arafat gained Haaretz’ most favored status only because the Fuehrer was dead.
Haaretz is not stupid.
It is traitorous.
Like The New York Times, it enthusiastically sides against the country that provides it with freedom. It does so because liberals prize their demented philosophy over liberty.
There is a difference between stupidity and depravity, although they certainly aren’t mutually exclusive.
On a positive note, after a one day 4,000 place decline that coincided with yamit’s unexcused absence, Teddy’sLittleShopOfHorrors.com is hitting a new high today:
Alexa Site Information for israpundit.org
* Traffic Rank in US: 101,797
So tantalizingly close…
Stupid
JewsIsraelis.