For Cairo deal, Israel calls for ban in Gaza on all but light arms, free hand against tunnels, rocket plants

DEBKA  August 6, 2014, 10:57 PM (IDT)

DEBKAfile reports exclusively on the terms Israel handed in to the Cairo talks Wednesday Aug. 6 for a durable peace on the Gaza Strip. In the document Shin Bet Director Yoram Cohen, who leads the Israeli delegation, put before the Egyptian intermediaries, the first key condition is based on the Oslo 2 Accords, which restricted Palestinian brigades in the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria to bearing light firearms. The second condition would grant the Israeli military the freedom of action to strike a tunnel system designed for terrorist attacks and demolish plants manufacturing missiles.

Israel requires these two measures to be incorporated in any accords reached at the Cairo conference.

The 19-year old Oslo 2 accord, concluded in Washington on Sept. 28 1995, permitted Palestinian security forces to be equipped solely with light firearms take booty by Israel in the Galilee Peace operation against Palestinian forces in southern Lebanon.

The application of this provision to the Cairo accords, if signed, would outlaw Hamas’ possession of rockets of all types and heavy or sophisticated weaponry of any kind.

This provision has replaced Israel’s original demand for the full demilitarization of the Gaza Strip. Its implementation would require Hamas and other terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip to get rid of all their heavy weapons, including heavy machine guns and mortars.

Other members of the Israeli delegation are Yitzhak Molcho, personal adviser to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Amos Gilead, political coordinator at the Defense Ministry.

They submitted five more terms for a Gaza deal:

1. An inspection mechanism, whose nature remains to be determined, will be set up to monitor the 1-3 km deep security belt Israel is carving out inside the Gaza Strip along the 75 kilometers of its security border fence. This mechanism will ascertain that no military activity takes place.

2.  Gaza will not be allowed to have either an airport or a deep water port, as Hamas is demanding.

3.  All reconstruction work in the Gaza Strip or repairing the war damage, whether by the international community or Israel, will be channeled through the Palestinian Authority Chairman, Mahmoud Abbas.

4.  All of Gaza’s border crossings will be manned and operated by Palestinian Authority security personnel. Egypt and Israel have submitted this demand with regard to both their border terminals.

5.  Gaza reconstruction work will take place under international supervision.

DEBKAfile’s sources in Cairo report that, after the senior Palestinian negotiator Assam Ahmed found acceptable Israel’s terms regarding Gaza armaments, a heated altercation erupted between the PA and Hamas delegations. Some Hamas envoys threatened to walk out if those terms were tabled and its own rejected. For now, they have refused to extend the three-day truce beyond Friday, Aug. 8.

The Israeli envoys figure that the negotiations may well stretch out over weeks, if not months.

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  6. yamit82 Said:

    Don’t Mess With The Diamond District In NYC

    Want to watch a good movie about the diamond district in NY, watch ” Snatch”, very funny.

  11. Max Said:

    The topic is really bogus – there is no such thing as “disproportionate body count”. They are unhappy because more Jews weren’t killed?.

    I agree. The goyim are not happy with Jews who have guns nd know how to use them. Shakes them to their cores.

    They are looking at the body count the wrong way – the fact is 1.8 million Gazans survived – so that is a miracle of restraint on Israel’s part.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Good, Max.

    PS: “so that is a miracle of restraint on Israel’s part”.

    I would add: So Far!!!!

  12. yamit82 Said:

    The Rambam writes that “It is a positive mitzvah to build a House for G-d, ready for sacrifices to be sacrificed therein.

    I watched Sean Hannity last night as he toured Jerusalem. ” Oh What a Beautiful City”.

  13. Max Said:

    I mean why isn’t CNN reporting this instead of comparing bogus body counts

    Because they a rooting for Hamas. But you a bright boy, you should have figure that out.

  14. Yidvocate Said:

    Chazal tells us that a generation that has not merited the rebuilding of the Base H’Mikdash

    Rebbe Yehudah Leib Alter (Sfat Emet) ” a quote from Chazal:” “Hakol mesa’ayin le’binyano shel Melech”. Everyone can/may/should help build the King’s palace.

    Sfas Emes’s ma’amar in the year 5634. This discourse is directly relevant to the Nine Days and to Tish’a Be’av. Thus, the ma’amar’s second paragraph tell us: “Kol dor.. ” That is:

    Any generation in which the Beis Hamikdash is not rebuilt is at the same (low) spiritual level as the generation which merited the churban (the destruction of the Beis Hamikdash)!

    “Israel were commanded to carry out three mitzvot when they entered the Land of Israel: to appoint a king, to eradicate the memory of Amalek, and to build the Holy Temple” (Sanhedrin 20b; Sifrei, Re’eh 67; Tanhuma, Ki Teitze 11 et. al.), and the Rambam (Laws of Kings 1:1) cites this as practical halachah.

    The Rambam writes that “It is a positive mitzvah to build a House for G-d, ready for sacrifices to be sacrificed therein.

    Clearly, the mitzvah to build the Holy Temple applies to every generation – and in particular to our most blessed of generations, this generation which has merited to inherit and to settle in the Land of Israel. But as long as we have not yet rebuilt it, the entire nation, the Torah itself, is deficient: of the 613 mitzvot, some two-thirds entirely depend upon, or are connected with, the Holy Temple.

    “Every generation in whose days the Holy Temple is not rebuilt is considered as though they had destroyed it” (Yerushalmi Yoma 1:1).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pHXZyNNes0

  15. honeybee Said:

    Max Said:

    “I repeat my humble opinion once again

    oy

    You had better take a break like maybe 3 or 4 days with a few bottles of kickapoo joy juice – you quoted me as saying what I quoted the Hamas saying.
    You seem to be misunderstanding everyone here- maybe someone hacked your account.

  16. Max Said:

    So where is CNN and their “body count”

    I don’t think I made my former comment clear – I mean why isn’t CNN reporting this instead of comparing bogus body counts. If Hamas has it’s way the body count is 5 million Israelis.

  18. @ yamit82:

    The topic is really bogus – there is no such thing as “disproportionate body count”. They are unhappy because more Jews weren’t killed?.

    It’s not a game – there is no score – the rockets must be stopped at any price or else all Israelis will die

    So the score really is 5 million Israelis versus all of Gaza and naturally we chose the Israelis.

    The rockets have to be stopped – we know that, Hamas knows that – if 5 kids die or 5,000 it’s irrelevant – it’s a thing that must be done and Hamas is responsible for all deaths.
    ..
    They are looking at the body count the wrong way – the fact is 1.8 million Gazans survived – so that is a miracle of restraint on Israel’s part.

  19. @ Max:

    Now I understand why you L. Uris and the movie ” Exodus” . You like it wordy, ponderous and with out significance of any sort.

  22. @ yamit82:

    “I repeat my humble opinion once again: I’m telling you that the two-state solution does not exist. The two-state solution does not exist. The two-state solution is over. We must return to the option of one Palestine from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea. Palestinians, Palestinian leadership, listen to me: The only solution before us is the historic solution presented by Fatah in 1968.” [Al-Manar TV (Hezbollah), April 2, 2014]

    So where is CNN and their “body count”

  23. yamit82 Said:

    Ben Shapiro to Peter Beinart: “Hamas Celebrates When You’re on TV”

    The CNN ‘moderator’ stopped it when Ben started telling the truth about Peter’s agenda and she tried to discount what he said and protect CNN’s pet – Peter – by calling it “inflammatory rhetoric”
    Ben was chuckling because he knew he had scored and CNN-biased lady was hastening a coverup.

    The truth is inflammatory. That is a media bias right there when they try to pretend everything is balanced and there are two equal sides when there simply isn’t.
    It is terror and murder versus civilization and that is quite inflammatory and if the public realizes it the encouragement to kill Jews will abate.

  25. Leader of ‘Moderate’ Fatah Calls For The Destruction Of Israel

    “Expel the occupier from all the pure land from the river to the sea”

    Fatah, the political party created by terrorist Yasser Arafat and now run by “moderate” Palestinian authority President Mahmoud Abbas, talks peace in English but war in Arabic. On Tuesday, Fatah Central Committee member Tawfiq Tirawi posted on his Facebook page his party’s desire to drive “out the occupier from the entire pure land, from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.“

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pznF4HYhXA

  27. @ Topaz:

    Chazal tells us that a generation that has not merited the rebuilding of the Base H’Mikdash is as guilty as the generation that witnessed it’s destruction. The Torah tells us that, “My mind is not like your mind and My thoughts are not like yours”. So please don’t pretend to know what G-d thinks or should be thinking. The fact is that most Jews are not Torah observant and until that changes you shouldn’t expect G-d to stand too much with his chosen people. A further Torah principle is “medos keneged medos” or like for like. So we can expect to G-d to stand with us as much as we stand with G-d, which is not so much.

  29. RE: As long as the Jews turn their backs to G-d and reject His gifts, they will never be victorious in battle.

    I believe the Jewish people, over the thousands of years and now Israel, have stood by God and still do, regardless of the horrors they have suffered. It is God’s turn. What merciful god would demand observance to the person standing? To demand that impossibility is not okay, and to demand this from ONLY one people whilst the rest (good and evil) are winning wars would seem a bit harsh, n’est pas?

  30. @ Topaz:

    You have to destroy evil! As long as the Jews turn their backs to G-d and reject His gifts, they will never be victorious in battle. A truth we have witnessed with our very own eyes.

  31. Assuming Hamas will NEVER make a deal with Israel that does not make them the victor, then the only reasons for this negotiation delay is to give Hamas time for Iran precision weapons to arrive, for rocketry set up again outside of prying eyes, to ratchet up targeting the media against Israel, AND to analyse Israeli weakness.

    AND how can Israel be certain all the tunnels have been destroyed. Certainly, Israel left without all the missile capabilities and materials were destroyed. .

    AND Hamas should NEVER have been allowed to hold onto power

  32. So, what happened to the Oslo 8 and any other conditions set up when Gaza was created as a state. Netanyahu has already begun dropping conditions.

    Israel releasing more mass murderers, like the ones who killed those precious three boys.

  33. Any one wager that Netanyahu is going to drop the conditions in the face of Hamas blackmail?

    They’re testing him to see what he will do in response to their ultimatum.