New European guidelines would require Israel to label products made in Judea and Samaria and exported to Europe • Israeli officials: This amounts to a type of boycott and discourages Palestinians from returning to peace talks.
Associated Press and Israel Hayom Staff
Israel would be required to label products that are made in Judea and Samaria and exported to Europe under guidelines being prepared by the European Union.
The move is the latest sign of international discontent with Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria, as well as frustration over the bleak state of Israeli-Palestinian peace efforts.
It also comes as a grassroots movement promoting boycotts, divestment and sanctions against Israel appears to be gaining steam.
Israeli officials reject the European labeling plan, saying it would amount to a type of boycott and help discourage Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas from returning to peace negotiations.
An EU official said Tuesday the 28-nation bloc’s foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, told European foreign ministers on May 18 that work was underway and that a set of guidelines would be “finalized in the near future.”
The Palestinians claim Judea and Samaria and east Jerusalem — territories taken by Israel from Jordan in the 1967 Six-Day War — as parts of a future independent state. The international community opposes Israeli construction in these areas, saying it undermines the goal of dividing the land between two countries. More than 550,000 Israelis live in Judea and Samaria and easy Jerusalem.
EU opposition to Israeli settlements is not new. A free-trade agreement with Israel already excludes settlement goods, even if they say they were made in Israel. Likewise, Israel is barred from spending money it receives under a landmark technology-sharing pact in Judea and Samaria or east Jerusalem. Several European countries have approved voluntary labeling guidelines for settlement products.
The new guidelines would take things further by requiring Israeli exporters to explicitly label products as being made in the settlements — a potential stigma that could deter consumers from buying them. The EU began work on labeling guidelines in 2012, but appears to have decided to revive that effort following the formation of Israel’s new government.
The EU official said it would likely be months before the guidelines are complete. A second official said much would depend on the policies of the new government. If peace talks with the Palestinians are restarted, the effort could once again be shelved. But if talks remain frozen and Israel steps up settlement construction, the EU will move forward, he said. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal EU deliberations with the media.
For now, the odds of Israel and the Palestinians relaunching peace talks appear slim.
The Palestinians have been moving forward with a campaign against Israel in international organizations like the United Nations and the International Criminal Court. Two weeks ago, Israel fended off a Palestinian attempt to expel Israel from FIFA, the global soccer federation.
At the same time, the grassroots pro-Palestinian boycott movement, known by its initials BDS, appears to be gaining strength. Last week, Britain’s national student union endorsed the BDS movement, while the chief executive of French telecom giant Orange said he wanted to cut business ties with Israel to help gain favor with the Arab world.
Orange CEO Stephane Richard subsequently backtracked, telling France’s BFM television station Monday that his decision was only a business move and he is “radically opposed to all forms of discrimination.”
The station said Richard planned to go to Israel soon to speak to the nation’s leaders. But the uproar in Israel has not subsided.
Politicians across Israel’s political spectrum have blasted the BDS movement, and Justice Minister Ayelet Shaked (Habayit Hayehudi) said Thursday she had ordered experts to plan legal steps against it. “In this arena, we will move from the defense to the offense,” she said.
On Tuesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the global pressure on Israel was undermining hopes of resuming talks.
“The Palestinians have a nifty trick up their sleeve, they refuse to negotiate and then get international pressure, sanctions, boycotts on Israel for there not being negotiations,” he said. “It’s the perfect Catch-22.”
An EU labeling effort would deliver an especially tough diplomatic blow. In contrast to the BDS movement, whose leaders often voice hatred of Israel, Western European countries are among Israel’s closest allies.
Europe also is Israel’s largest trade market, importing about $14.7 billion in goods last year, according to EU figures. Products from the settlements, including wines, honey, cosmetics and agricultural produce, make up just 1.5 percent of that total, according to the Finance Ministry.
“If Europe begins labeling settlement products, then this will mean that they have put their political position into effect in the sense that there will be a real and true boycott of settlement goods,” said Mohammed Shtayyeh, the Palestinian cabinet minister in charge of economic development.
Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon said Israel fears that consumers will not differentiate between settlement products and Israeli products.
“It will be a de facto boycott against Israel,” he said.
Nahshon said Israel is in “close contact and dialogue” with the EU on the matter.
“We have been conveying our positions, and we hope they will be accepted by the EU,” he said.
Israel has traditionally used its closest allies in Europe, such as Britain and Germany, to blunt EU decisions, which require a consensus.
Regardless of what the EU’s executive arm decides on labeling, its member states remain divided about what to do, said Pierre Vimont, a former top EU official who is a senior associate at Carnegie Europe, a Brussels-based think tank.
“Preparation has been going now on for two years, and we are more than ready to go ahead,” he said in a recent interview. “But we have been avoiding this difficult moment because we know member states are split, and it could be a very ugly discussion among us. At the end of the day, this could be the tricky issue.”
CuriousAmerican Said:
as you are not an expert diplomat or military tactician, you merely argue from the perspective of your agenda, the goal you wish to achieve. You have not considered that the political structure in dealing with the unpredictable insane cycles of the euros and their proxies, subterfuge may be a weapon of choice for a people whose numbers have already been serially reduced by the rabid euro dogs.
CuriousAmerican Said:
when dealing with the sick behaviors of the insane euros one must indeed operate with subterfuge, like dealing with an unpredictable dog who might turn irrationally rabid at any time. therefore what may appear to you as a game may simply be a way to deal with a lunatic who has power to kill you and has repeatedly wielded that power in that manner serially.
CuriousAmerican Said:
I give credit to Yamit for introducing this concept to me which basically gives a biblical wording to what may indeed be a congenital, serial and pathological disease:
Esau incites ishmael to murder Jacob
Ishmael believes Esau is insane
DNA indicates predisposition towards disease including mental and emotional diseases of which addictions are included. recently I posted that there is an indication that DNA is influenced by environment and culture. therefore the concept that the serial, pathological jew stalking and killing of the euros towards the Jews may indeed be congenital. the biblical expressions agree with that possibility and allude to the specific insane serial behaviors we witness today. The behavior of modern europeans and euros going back 2000 years absolutely reinforces the theory of a serial insane pathology. There is no logical reason other than emotional mental disease which better explains their insane irrational serial behavior as a collective. Needless to say that DNA deals in pre dispositions and not definite outcomes and DNA is mixed and many Jews also have euro genes. Like any presentation of disease we can clearly see the behavior in todays euros expressed by their major collective institutions of church and secular govs.
the europeans as a collective, and as expressed by their 2 major collective institutions of church and state, is indeed “anti semitic nazis” according to their collective factual behavior. Both the Euro major churches and institutions of gov today continue to engage in the process of swindling, libeling and abusing Jews as well as enthusiastically funding the honor killers to carry out the slaughter. There is no difference between today and the last 2000 years, we are simply at the beginning of their perennial cycle of insanity. This is undeniable fact.
As for the phrases above regarding Esau the Euros indeed by their collective behavior today demonstrate that behavior, demonstrate their insanity, and demonstrated over 2000 years that these specific behaviors are both serial and fraught with insanity. Like any alcoholic they are always in denial and they cover up their sick behaviors. The euros cover up their sick behavior at this moment by attacking Israel as a proxy and by funding Israels enemies to attack, libel, incite to genocide and kill Jews GLOBALLY. As this repetitive cycle progresses they come out of the closet to re-embrace their insanity openly. It is folly to ignore a 2000 year repetitive behavior clearly described in the bible. Just as the Big bang theory and Genesis are congruent. Possibly the ancient language to convey these scientific principles was the only way of communicating the effects of the congenital disease.
Lastly, it is widely accepted in the rational community that the best solution to a problem begins with a realistic and accurate assessment of the problem Therefore the recognition of the insane collective euro behavior as a congenital serial disease would substantially alter the perspective on how to deal with the problem. One expects an alcoholic and lunatic to behave irrationally according to the known patterns of their disease. It would be considered absurd to reason with a drug addict and argue the merits of his rationalizations for his behavior and addictions. Once we see the euros as sick and dangerous creatures who regularly fall into werewolf type habits which they cannot control, we are on the path to rational solutions.
These concepts are not politically correct but neither was Copernican astronomy in the Ptolemaic age, and they agree with scientific models.
just saying 🙂
IS promised many boats from libya to europe this summer…..
Israel should be helping the gazans in their quest to go to europe by covert aid to the existing smuggling network to bring th eprice down from 10K and help the 50% of gazans who long for europe. Its much cheaper than sherman or CA plan and has the extra benefit of flooding the euro cesspool with honor killers.
@ babushka: I suspect the purported support by CA of Israel is with one major religious desire. He wishes Israel to stay Jewish so in the future the Christians can convert the Jews. He actually is irritated on a serious level for us Jews having not having undertaken his religious beliefs to date.
Granted I could be wrong but that is my impression (motivation judgement is not a science) I have gotten from following his comments and attitudes towards the Jews of Israpundit. He certainly will never waiver from telling us where we could be more perfect. He is correct we are not perfect. We needed him to tell us that!
You’re kidding, right? Liberal Jews are the most virulent anti-Semites. George Soros collaborated with the Nazis. MJ Rosenberg and Philip Weiss rejoice in Palestinian terrorism. Joe Klein spreads the dual loyalty libel. Jeffrey Goldberg is Obama’s Josef Goebbels.
Eric Alterman…Jon Stewart…Joshua Marshall…Max Blumenthal…and on and on and on. Jew-hating ethnic Hebrews, the postmodern kapos.
During the Gaza conflict, the world knowingly supported a terrorist group explicitly pledged to murder every Jew on Earth. What magic educational wand do you possess that extinguishes depravity?
Your spirited defense of Europe and BDS is quite moving. It certainly moves me to conclude that your affinity for Israel oscillates between nonexistent and nil.
That is better said.
I do not excuse all Europeans. I am saying this is far too complicated to ascribe BDS to Nazism. Too many Jews are in the BDS movement for it to be Nazi-like.
Betar Jerusalem fans have a bad reputation too. Soccer brings out the worst in people, especially Brazil where rival fans kill each other still.
Even Yamit admitted that Labor used tricks to confiscate Arab land by means of arbitrary military rule before 1966.
I am aware of Arab trickery too; I look at Regevim videos.
But Israel does not do the hard work to educate the outside world. Martin Sherman has noted this. Instead, Israel often supports Hasbara teams which tend to call people Nazis. After a while, it lost its effect.
There is no substitute for real education.
The Europeans (many not all) are acting as enemies of Israel. Their motivation (anti-Jewish, pro-Palestinian, or both) is not always relevant. When one acts as an enemy we do not need treat the enemy with politically correct gloves.
I am a huge soccer fan and follow soccer all over Europe (best thing going in Europe). Besides for English and Hebrew I speak German and understand some Spanish.
You will find all over Europe even with places with no Jews or very few antisemitic chants at stadiums. This happens in England, Italy, and Holland. So if this is happening in this type of setting it is pure hate of Jews. So some may think the Europeans are just ill informed. They have a culture in which their mind set allows them to easily find Jews at fault for many and all things. My parents were born in Austria and I still have relatives in Europe and antisemitism is flourishing. So if some wish to excuse them for Nazi like attitudes toward Israel that is their choice.
I have no doubt that SOME Europeans are anti-semitic; but what is driving a lot of this is plain misinformation.
Probably the biggest blood libel after WWII was started by Charles Enderlin, a Franco-Israeli Jew, who pushed the al Dura lie on TV.
This lead to the Second Intifada, and 15 years of Arab rage.
Enderlin was exposed by Philippe Karsenty, but Enderlin remained defiant.
http://www.algemeiner.com/2015/04/09/french-activist-praises-retirement-of-al-durah-hoax-architect-charles-enderlin/
That one hoax captured the imagination of the Arab street, and Europe.
Yet, it did not originate with Euro Christians, but rather with a French-Israel Jew who knowingly perpetrated a hoax, according to Phillipe Karsenty.
This misinformation did not come from Aryan anti-semites.
Within 12 hours – I was on the internet at that time – the hoax was exposed, but it did not stop Charles Enderlin.
Can you blame the Europeans for accepting a Palestinian narrative, when a Jewish media star is pushing it.
Michael Coren with Phillippe Karsenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CUgzeG5DEg
If one watched al Dura report being delivered by a Jewish media star, one might be convinced.
That is the biggest blood libel in the last 50 years.
How much of that is European anti-semitism? How much is misinformation?
I contend that much of it is misinformation.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Are you suggesting that Both Christianity and Europe have not been antisemitic or if they have been, they are no longer so. Are you suggesting that Jews have no right to be emotional and angry at them. That we should sanguine and not not attribute their actions against us as antisemitic? Come on now.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Some are but this is irrelevant. We look at what their policies are. From them we conclude that they have an anti-Israel ax to grind. The same facts lead 2/3 of Americans to support Israel where as only 1/3 of Europeans do. Why is that?
CuriousAmerican Said:
I fail to understand how mentioning annexation brings proportion to the argument or what proportion means. I am forever posting articles on Annexation. So your mentioning it is of no consequence.
Bottom line is that you are arguing that the Europeans have liberated themselves from the antisemetic demon. That antisemitism is not part of the culture. Prove it. Of course not all Europeans are antisemetic.
@ CuriousAmerican:You are suggesting that Europe does not have an anti-Israel bias or agenda, that they simply draw conclusions from what they see.
Perhaps you should read Bat Yeor’s Eurabia in which she lays out in great detail that in the seventies in the aftermath of the oil embargo, Europe cut a deal with the Saudis in which Europe secured their oil supplies and agreed in return:
1) European policy would be independent from, and opposed to that of the United States;
2) recognition by Europe of a “Palestinian people,” and the creation of a “Palestinian” state;
3) European support for the PLO;
4) the designation of Arafat as the sole and exclusive representative of that so-called Palestinian people;
5) the de-legitimizing of the State of Israel, both historically and politically, its shrinking into non-viable borders, and the Arabization of Jerusalem.
Polite?!
Very few here are polite.
Regularly, I come on to this site to see variations of “swine,” “Nazis,” “anti-semitic Euros”, and my personal favorites: “Esav” or “Edom.” The latter two are insults against Christianity of the highest order, and I am one of the few Gentiles who would know what those terms mean in context.
Why do you think the Euros are supporting the Palestinians?
Do you think Europeans wake up in the morning asking themselves how they can cheat a Jew today.
Most don’t. Though it may seem odd to you, many Gentiles can go a whole 24 hours without even thinking about Jews, Israel, or Zion. It can be done.
The reason is: That they look at the history of Modern Israel, and draw a different conclusion than you do.
You see the Balfour Declaration as a heroic document, and San Remo as simple justice.
Fine!
The Europeans see the Balfour Declaration as imperial overreach. They ask themselves: What right had Britain to promise a land that Britain did not own at the time of the Balfour Declaration to Jews – at that time primarily from Europe – who were barely in the land at the time, in contravention of the wishes of the Arabs who were the vast majority in the land at the time?
I am NOT anti-Zionist, nor do I support BDS, but I can understand the European mindset. I many not arrive at the same conclusions as the Europeans, but I can understand the question.
You see history from your perspective. While I do not agree with the Arab cause, I do try to understand their viewpoint, as Ben Gurion did:
Much of what is driving European BDS is driven by an Arab narrative.
Israel tends to speak in slogans. To defend Israel, one has to know a lot of history. Bar Kochba, Sabbati Zvi, the pre-Herzl Aliyah, the Temple Society, etc.
Instead Israel speaks of the “only democracy in the Mideast.” Only on TV, it does not appear so democratic.
The Europeans are foolish, not Nazis. Misinformed, not swine.
I am not the condescending one here.
I mention annexation to bring proportion to the argument. If the only comments accepted here are:
swine
Nazis
Edom
Esav
pigs
then I am not the problem.
Israel is the only people to have returned to a homeland after 1900 years. You see this as Divine Providence, and hence self-evidently justified.
But to many non-Jews, this does not suffice as an explanation.
While I support Israel, I can understand how a nominal European Christian might say: God is not a real estate agent.
Such a view is a horror to you, but it is not in and of itself anti-semitic.
It explains why they struggle will continue.
@ CuriousAmerican: Ted barked at you because your manner of writing was condescending at best. I wrote we should annex it in stages in response to your comment and you BARKED then “ANNEX it” !
Want to be treated politely? Then ……
They are worse than Nazis. Traitors are always worse than enemies. How exactly does that exonerate the anti-Semitic swine of Europe?
Seriously, before you ascribe Nazi sympathies to the Euros – and I am American – concerning this present crisis of how to label goods made in J&S – before you call them blood libeling sons of Esau, please remember …
The biggest blood libel was the Mohammed al-Dura case.
And that story was pushed by Charles Enderlin, a Franco-Israeli Jewish anchor on France TV.
Three Bullets and a Dead Child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTyfZRuiOOs
A story championed by Charles Enderlin: (Click Here)
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Here in America, a rather sympathetic story about the PLO
by the late Mike wallace
PALESTINE A NATION IN EXILE – 1976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiNwS2N2qIU
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Or Bob Simon of CBS, who was himself Jewish
CHRISTIANS OF THE HOLY LAND
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/christians-of-the-holy-land/
The piece told of Israeli restrictions on Christians, but overlooking the anti-Christian attacks by Muslims
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Another story by Bob Simon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5dum_scBmI
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Even when their stories do expose an Israeli injustice, they never give balance. What about Arab injustices?
Enderlin, Simon, Wallace, etc were all Jewish media stars.
Are they Nazis?
The Al-Dura case reverberates to this very day. Yet, how many people know it was a hoax.
I remember when it occurred. It was exposed as a hoax within 24 hours on internet chat rooms. Diagrams were up showing the impossibility of Israeli troops hitting al-Dura.
Yet, did the media report the obvious.
Enderlin fought the exposure and Philippe Karsenty, who proved the fraud, still lost in court.
So go ahead, blame Euro-Nazis, but a lot of this is self-inflicted.
And this is what irritates me. The knee-jerk blaming of the Euros. A lot of this is being driven by self-hating Jews. Admit it.
And this is obvious!
If the problem is so obvious – if it is clear that the problem is annexation, and I am just stating the obvious – then how come so many here are ascribing blood curdling hatreds to the Euros?
The fact is:
You are a lawyer. You know that some of this is driven by administrative law. The Euros can say: “Since it is not annexed to Israel, it cannot be labelled as made in Israel.”
While the motives of some are anti-semitic, it does not follow that the motives of all are anti-semitic.
I admit that Europe is fare more anti-semitic than the USA or Canada.
But Europe is not all Nazis – contrary to what so many here believe.
Some of this is driven by Europeans who have the belief that the Palestinians are victims of an historic injustice. Now,it is true that North Korea, Iran, and China should be considered as primary violators of human rights, but North Korea, Iran, and China are not regularly on nightly TV news.
Maybe they should be. Maybe daily nightly news should bring reports from Iran, China, and North Korea, but they do not.
What nightly news does show are daily reports from J&S and Gaza, and street fighting. So get mad at the media. Get mad at Wolf Blitzer, Joshua Mitnick who wrote a hit piece on Ayalet Shaked, the late Bob Simon, the late Mike Wallace, in France: Charles Enderlin, in Israel: Uri Avnery, Gideon Levy, Haaretz, etc.
As your readers will notice: A lot of these media stars are/were Jewish. These are the ones who spout much of the anti-Israel nonsense. Until recently, many Gentile reporters were afraid to touch the topic.
Well, the Goyim in Europe believed them, and now see the Palestinians as totally innocent victims.
I do not support BDS. You know my opinion on what the solution should be. So I am not asking Israel to give up J&S.
But the reason I “state the obvious” is because so many here holler “Nazi” whenever some ruling or action does not go their way.
The situation is a bit more complicated; and I state the obvious to give a sense of proportion.
No, a lot of what Europe is doing is NOT being pushed by Nazis, but rather by uninformed bureaucrats.
When the media – which is has more Jews than their numbers in the general population – and when many of these Jewish media stars are anti-Israel, part of the problem is not originating with us Gentiles.
No, the Euros are not wannabe Nazis. Not unless Charles Enderlin, the late Mike Wallace, or Uri Avnery are Nazis.
@ Ted Belman:
Ted, could you please hook up chit chat again? There is a comment to me that I would like to respond to. Thanks!
CuriousAmerican Said:
What irritated me is that you presume we don’t know what the problem is. We do. You are pointing out the obvious.
Israel is not annexing the land because they aren’t as simplistic as you. There are many considerations and ramifications here to be dealt with. Israel is struggling for a consensus. So far, Bibi’s centrist view is prevailing.
@ bernard ross:
I agree with the law fare. It is an effective way to unmask
the lies spread by the conniving Europeans.
I disagree with you about being able to substitute many of our products very quickly even with reverse engineering.
Many medical products produce by Israel have no effective substitute. They will feel the pressure very quickly and will show the futility of their boycott.
Buying Israeli products is great. We must make an effective campaign to that effect. If well coordinated coming from several direction I think we can render the BSD ineffective within a reasonable time. Preferably a short time. Who knows, we can count also with our Creator who always looks after us.
May I ask what Law School did you attend?
There is a group of attorneys where I go for lunch or dinner very often and, a couple of older attorneys who are quite clever in their approach to litigation. Surprisingly two of them are over 80’s and they can beat anytime less experienced lawyers. I lived very closed to a Courthouse and sometimes you meet from the District Attorney to what it seems to be the entire staff. I would hate to have to debate you in court.
Thank you and good night.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Absolutely, because the euros are filthy congenital jew stalking liars who have not applied it in other so called “occupied” territories. the euros are congenitally insane with stalking the Jews and any possible deception and dirty tricks that incapacitates their ability to continue to stalk, libel swindle, and murder Jews by funding their proxy killers, is a valid road.
begin by funding gazans to europe, to literally kill 2 birds with one stone, clandestinely fund IS boats from libya to europe as they promised for this summer, find ways to create chaos in europe, encourage vlad to continue to gobble more bites, support his efforts, false flag muslim cells in europe to create terror and chaos in the hearts of those stalking Jews. the filthy jew killling euro dogs must be struck down.
just saying. 🙂
mar55 Said:
although I agree with your motive I believe it would harm Israel more than them. I doubt that their are many products manufactured by israel that could not be substituted and supplied by others, even with reverse engineering. I think Israel should maintain any inflows until they cut them off but fight primarily with lawfare, there are many modes of attack and the only times these modes have been taken there has been a reasonable percentage of success. Lawfare exposes facts as opposed to lies, lawfare creates a burden on BDS orgs and individuals. the MO should be based on creating damage to them not to us.
Furthermore, as Israel is falsely accused of settling already I see no reason not to be settling… they shout about Jerusalem and they shout about YS so why not just settle the whole thing. Israel should create a special diaspora grant of free land in YS to entice diaspora Jews to emigrate to Israel and settle YS. there is obviously a need to get the Jews who are under attack once more by the hitlerian eurogovs and their BDS supersessionist churches in the perennial cesspool of europe. At the same time expand criminal smuggling networks from gaza to Europe as 50% of them want to go but dont have the 10k, a much cheaper plan that sherman and CA and has the added benefit of killing 2 birds with one stone, literally.
Furthermore, Israel should take a harsh hand to the pals,make them suffer and want to leave. Israel is already accused of it so do it and gain the benefit. In the final analysis, all Jew haters, anti semites, and those who teach their children filthy things about Jews should be liquidated. If it is done by others all the better.
Kind of rude. No need for it.
Never said you yourself were. I was referring to the GOI.
Well, that is the problem then. Don’t fault me for pointing it out. Until the GOI annexes, the EU has the right to require alternative labelling. This is merely a point of law. I am not saying the EU is morally right. I am saying this is a matter of administrative law concerning declaration of origin.
There are consequences to waffling. Israel wants the benefits of possesssion without the obligations of possession. Annexation would require enfranchisement.
Well, then annex in chunks. Start with area C, and leave A & B out of it,
Bibi is quite good at upstaging Obama. Here in the USA, it is a running joke.
http://www.brutallyhonest.org/.a/6a00d834516bb169e2015432974c97970c-450wi
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/tulsaworld.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/d/af/daff9a4a-91d7-55e1-a3c9-7cadde26efbe/54f67bc5b2e17.image.jpg
No one stopped Israel from annexing the Eastern half of Jerusalem, or the Golan.
Who is pontificating?
The fact is: Until Israel annexes the land, the land is in dispute. Like it or not, this gives the EU legal standing to complain, and demand alternate labeling.
As for having a gun held to your head, again the point is moot. If Israel has not annexed, then the label or origin can be contested.
Israpundit is upset that the EU does not accept goods from J&S under an Israeli label. What label should Israel use if Israel has not annexed it.
The best that can be offered is: “Disputed territories” for a label.
This ain’t pontificating.
What is real pontificating is calling the EU “esau” or “edom” or “Nazis” – which they may be – as so many on this thread have done, while ignoring the real issue: Failure to annex.
Never claimed to be; but this is common sense.
The root problem here is not the EU – as bad as they are – but the failure of the GOI to annex.
Israel is quite capable of annexing at least area C. Israel has ignored the world in the past – as in the attack on the Osiris reactor – to its benefit.
Indecision is the problem.
@ bernard ross:
What I’m proposing is: to spand the manufacturing base to the territories of Judea and Samaria. The Europeans and the rest of the world have the choice of buying or not buying. If they decide their need to buy supersedes the need to boycott our products then, the BDS is a failure. One is not exclusive from the other. What you are proposing can be done at the same time. It is more difficult to get our people to buy for the sake of helping Israel than the other way around. You should see the attitude of many Jews living in an area where everyone is Jewish. You know that if we get two Jews discussing an issue we end up with three or more opinions. We need to start a campaign on the issue. First mouth to mouth followed by newspaper and TV
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@ Eric R.:
You are a guy after my own heart. You put your money where your mouth is. If only half of the Jews in this country did the same it would give these bastards something to think about.
Another idea I have which is probably very costly is to research how many of the manufacturers behave towards Israel.Including the manufacturer of cereals, soaps and every day products. Start a campaign and substitute. Try to get allies in this boycott. When consumption declines, so does the price of TV advertisement. A couple of percentage points lowering their sales and BINGO. Suddenly they become very good listeners. Boycotts can work two ways.
CuriousAmerican Said:
Don’t be stupid. You know we are not in charge. Bibi who is doesn’t want to annex or even embrace the Levy Report. He obviously is supported by many in Likud and the rest of the government. It may be that he is jnot free to act because of the gun placed to his head.
Stop telling us what to do. You are not the font of all wisdom. Nobody is.
I am not getting this.
If you say J&S is yours … and I have no quarrel with Israel’s claim … then annex the land.
If you do NOT annex the land, then your gov’t is de jure saying it is not yours.
Part of the problem is the indecision of the GOI.
As much as you might hate the EU, the GOI’s indecision has given the EU a foothold. If the GOI will not label J&S as part of Israel, then can you fault the EU for not accepting an Israeli label, when the GOI doesn’t declare its intentions?
This has nothing to do with San Remo.
San Remo might give you the right to the land, but if the GOI does not exercise that right, then the EU has standing in court.
Can anyone doubt that if J&S were devoid of Arabs, then it would be annexed in a heartbeat? The issue here is the Arabs on the land.
mar55 Said:
perhaps, but why cut off our nose to spite our face. what if world jewry could replace the lost sales? what if the pals were made to suffer for every sanction?
mar55 Said:
if they label the west bank products we can then see that by buying west bank labeled products we support Jews in YS. this could backfire if the Jews were loyal to the settlers.
Let the miserable anti-Semitic wretches boycott Israel’s medical advancements.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Kol Hakavod to her. You know I put my money where my mouth is. When it comes to Israel I do not take any prisoners.
I could not put the article here but, I’m putting some links. Very good links for all participants. I hope you enjoy them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscPWB6gsvE
https://www.youtube.com/embed/j6k1jHAYtbI#t=1226 This is a beautiful account of our people.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/09/a-new-inside-account-of-obamas-israel-ire/
“My Journey Across the American-Israeli Divide,” (this is a link to obtain the book at Amazon)
Remember the saying: Pray as if everything depends on G-d and work as if everything depends on you.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Kol Hakavod to her. You know I put my money where my mouth is. When it comes to Israel I do not take any prisoners.
I could not put the article here but, I’m putting some links. Very good links for all participants. I hope you enjoy them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscPWB6gsvE
https://www.youtube.com/embed/j6k1jHAYtbI#t=1226 This is a beautiful account of our people.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/09/a-new-inside-account-of-obamas-israel-ire/
“Ally: My Journey Across the American-Israeli Divide,” (this is a link to obtain the book at Amazon)
And last a comment by Yuval from Truth Provider.
Transfer all the producers of Israeli science and technology, drugs, medical machinery (such as MRIs), and devices (such as medicated stents) and research labs to Judea and Samaria. Label all the products MADE IN JUDEA & SAMARIA, ISRAEL. For instance, the latest anti-Melanoma cure or Pancreatic cancer treatment, should be produced in Judea & Samaria
@ mar55: Very pleasant to hear from you MAR. We indeed must act not just comment on the reports. Ted is doing a fantastic job keeping us informed. It is up to us to do the CA work against enemies.
It is starting.
And the signs are encouraging. Minister Hotovely is marking the pace. Kol Hakavod to her.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
I like your comments. I propose to move all the important products that the Europeans want to Judea & Samaria.
Truth provider had a similar proposal but even better than
mine since they are proposing to move the medical products people count on. I tried pasting the article here but the program here does not allow me to do it unless Ted lets me bypass the program.
I would love to see how they are going to do without our medical products like stents and the latest cure for melanoma etc.
Let me see if Ted allows me to paste some links.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Dear friends,
My impressions of the Jerusalem Post 2015 Conference in NYC will follow in a future bulletin. Today, I bring you two videos, one from the said conference, and an article, all significant in their own right.
But first, let me advance my idea how to fight BDS:
Many suggestions how to fight BDS and calls to boycott Israel are aired daily. They all miss the vital point, like looking for a coin under the lamppost instead of where it was actually lost. Here is my suggestion how to bring this curse to an effective end. If implemented, BDS and all boycotts will soon disappear:
Transfer all the producers of Israeli science and technology, drugs, medical machinery (such as MRIs), and devices (such as medicated stents) and research labs to Judea and Samaria. Label all the products MADE IN JUDEA & SAMARIA, ISRAEL. For instance, the latest anti-Melanoma cure or Pancreatic cancer treatment, should be produced in Judea & Samaria.
Let’s see how many boycotters, BDSs, anti-Semites, them and their elderly parents and relatives, would choose to be sick and die rather than be perscribed with Judea & Samaria Israeli cures.
You see? This is hitting the problem right at its source!
And now to the two videos:
First, this superb and sometimes entertaining speech by Israel’s Ambassador to the UN, delivered at the recent JP Conference. His, together with Mayor Rudi Giuliani and Caroline Glick, were the best speeches of the conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscPWB6gsvE
Next, take a few minutes to watch this video. It is a very moving history lesson in a nutshell, titled THE MYSTERY OF THE EXISTANCE OF THE JEWS FOR OVER 4000 YEARS. Definitely worth watching by people of all faiths:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/j6k1jHAYtbI#t=1226
And finally, the following NY Post article about the soon to be published book by the former Israel’s Ambassador to the USA, Michael Oren.If you wish to wisen-up about President Obama’s true attitude towards Israel, this book promises to be riveting. The article contains a shocking account from the book of a meeting Michael Oren had with Deputy Secretary of State Tom Nide
Your Truth Provider
Yuval
@ bernard ross:
Dear friends,
My impressions of the Jerusalem Post 2015 Conference in NYC will follow in a future bulletin. Today, I bring you two videos, one from the said conference, and an article, all significant in their own right.
But first, let me advance my idea how to fight BDS:
Many suggestions how to fight BDS and calls to boycott Israel are aired daily. They all miss the vital point, like looking for a coin under the lamppost instead of where it was actually lost. Here is my suggestion how to bring this curse to an effective end. If implemented, BDS and all boycotts will soon disappear:
Transfer all the producers of Israeli science and technology, drugs, medical machinery (such as MRIs), and devices (such as medicated stents) and research labs to Judea and Samaria. Label all the products MADE IN JUDEA & SAMARIA, ISRAEL. For instance, the latest anti-Melanoma cure or Pancreatic cancer treatment, should be produced in Judea & Samaria.
Let’s see how many boycotters, BDSs, anti-Semites, them and their elderly parents and relatives, would choose to be sick and die rather than be perscribed with Judea & Samaria Israeli cures.
You see? This is hitting the problem right at its source!
And now to the two videos:
First, this superb and sometimes entertaining speech by Israel’s Ambassador to the UN, delivered at the recent JP Conference. His, together with Mayor Rudi Giuliani and Caroline Glick, were the best speeches of the conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscPWB6gsvE
Next, take a few minutes to watch this video. It is a very moving history lesson in a nutshell, titled THE MYSTERY OF THE EXISTANCE OF THE JEWS FOR OVER 4000 YEARS. Definitely worth watching by people of all faiths:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/j6k1jHAYtbI#t=1226
And finally, the following NY Post article about the soon to be published book by the former Israel’s Ambassador to the USA, Michael Oren.
If you wish to wisen-up about President Obama’s true attitude towards Israel, this book promises to be riveting. The article contains a shocking account from the book of a meeting Michael Oren had with Deputy Secretary of State Tom Nides.
Your Truth Provider,
Yuval.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/09/a-new-inside-account-of-obamas-israel-ire/
A new inside account of Obama’s Israel ire
From the article: “When it’s released June 23, the new book by bestselling historian Michael Oren is going to be the talk of Washington and Jerusalem – not to mention everywhere people take an interest in the relations between the United States and Israel, which is to say, in many if not most places on the planet.
It’s called “Ally: My Journey Across the American-Israeli Divide,” and I’m not sure that in the annals of diplomatic history there’s ever been anything quite like this astonishing account of Oren’s four years (2009-2013) as Israel’s ambassador in Washington.
It’s an ultimate insider’s story told while all the players save Oren are still in place; the Israeli prime minister he served still holds office and the administration to which he was the ambassador will remain in power until January 2017.”
Then annex it.
Being in J&S legally is not the same as annexation.
Once you annex then you can legally claim it is part of Israel. Until then it is contested areas.
@ mar55:
I have boycotted European products since 2002 (it’s actually getting tough to buy wines – I also avoid California wines due to the leftist government there and Chilean wines due to all the Palestinians who run things there). I certainly will never visit that filthy sewer again.
Israel should react to this new Nazi boycott by throwing all European journalists and NGO workers out of Israel. If that does not work, then threaten European merchant shipping in the Mediterranean — especially Greek shipping, to send a message to the scumbag Syriza regime.
@ CuriousAmerican:
EU makes up their own laws based on what they want (like others). Israel has a right to be in the land based on San Remo plus winning back it in a defensive war.
What UN resolution 242 says Israel does not need withdraw accept to recognized and defensible borders. We withdrew from Gaza and the Sinai. So we have withdrawn and we are legally in Judah/Samaria both legally and for defensive reasons. So unless we further agree to withdraw to recognized and defensible positions we are in Judah / Samaria legally.
I think we should gradually annex Area C and build in E1 and the Jordan Valley. The EU and others may not agree so be it!
This BDS stuff is a continuation of the old Arab boycott. If the EU enacts some of it seriously it will victim to US laws which make boycotting Israel illegal and they could face serious consequences. So the sword falls both ways.
I am NOT in favor of BDS, so this does not concern me, per se.
However, if Israel does not annex the area, then then Israel gov’t is partly responsible for this mess. In 1967, after Israel regained her patrimony, Israel did not annex Yehuda and Shomron because – although Israel wanted the land – Israel did not want the Arabs on it.
Understanble!
But if Israel is going to play this game, it comes with consequences.
If Israel wants the uncontested rights to the land, Israel must annex it.
It is one thing to hate the EU and call them anti-semitic Nazis, and refer to them as Esau {Which they are NOT}; and it is another thing to deal with the problem.
Israel has NOT annexed Yehuda and Shomron, thus the EU may have a legal case.
I am not a supporter of BDS, so this does not affect me at all.
However, if you want the land … annex it.
Deut 1:8 See, I have given you this land. Go in and [annex] the land …
Part of this problem is that the GOI is playing a game.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
That’s a splendid idea.
Two can play the game.
Bottom line Israel needs to address the bastards that organize these boycotts head on.
If they come up with this happy shit about mistreating the Palestinians tell them to prove it and while they are at it look at the misery Hamas has bestowed on the Pals.
Palestinians are suffering from the acts of Hamas throughout Gaza, while the Pals in Israel live the good life.
Wake up world.
We do know how to grade the EU trash historic records.
Yet, what is needed is stern confrontation.
Israel must demand that products made in the EU be thus clearly labeled.
Made in Spain; Inquisition, mass expulsion, murder of Jews location.
Made in England: Home of the repeated expulsions, murder and rape of Jews. Crusaders homeland.
France: Nazi Holocaust collaborator state.
Germany: Nazi Holocaust planers and executioners.
Etc.
@ bernard ross:
For the last seven years I have been avoiding buying anything from the Europeans. At the same time I go to the markets where they sell Israeli products. I buy them even when they are not needed. Israeli products are of excellent quality and, I use my mouth to tell everyone who is willing to listen about the BDS and why we should buy Israeli products.
Somebody in my family who is addicted to chocolate tells me not to bring him Israeli chocolate. Why? It is not a good chocolate. In that case I will not bring you any.
Conversation ended. Eat it or do without it or buy it yourself and pay for it.
Two weeks ago I got a Rabbi to listen. It was funny but I think he got the message. I helped him select some peaches.
Grandmother Power!
@ bernard ross:
Bernard, think that there is a way to make the arrogant Europeans eat their own words.
Since Israel produce a great deal of the electronics and products the stinking Europeans like or need to consume for the functioning of their daily life what if, Israel moves part of every industry which is vital for these loving rats for their daily lives to: JUDEA & SAMARIA. The West Bank should be the recipient of part of the production of the
most in demand products. Then you label them Made in: JUDEA & SAMARIA.
Let’s see if they can do without it because they have the label. That will change the game and put the pressure on their side.
How lovely to see the hyenas screaming. They want to be sleazy and use all the devious tactics they can think of to defeat us. Let’s return the favor.
From: ISRAEL SHALL SURVIVE To: ISRAEL SHALL TRIUMPH!
@ NormanF:
You know it only takes a few and with the aid of the liberal left anti-Semite media, it’s magnified.
Jews and friends should start boycotting those who promote such stupid nonsense.
Boycott Hamas (proxy of Iran) by ceasing aid to the Palestinians as it ends up in the hands of Hamas.
Israel doesn’t mistreat the Palestinians, its Hamas.
The Palestinian issues are nothing but drummed up lies and innuendos Hamas, Hezbollah & other Arabs and the liberal left media.
Wake up world, stamp out anti-Semitism, you may be next.
European hatred of the Jews has never died.
Their obsession with Israel borders on the pathological.
With all the problems in the world, all the EU apparently can do is punish Israel for the absence of peace.
Its obscene.
relocated to Gaza.
any economic damage resulting from BDS sanctions should be visited directly on the PA arabs who advocate the boycott. Instead of improving their lot they should be pushed into the lowest poverty begging for a boat to europe as are the gazans., or a river jordan crossing or lebanese or syrian crossing… make them want to leave.
Surely the GOI can make that happen, unless they are colluding with the euros to massage Israelis into giving up YS. Building up the PA arabs economically is counterproductive and aiding and abetting the enemy.
shurat ha din should be employed to sue individuals and corps for interfering with contracts and business for damages ensuing from BDS. e.g. union workers who obstructed ZIM lines in LA, etc.
Lawfare hits them in the pocket and ties them up in courts with expenses. same with individuals in colleges…students and faculty
this is how adelson and saban should proceed, hasbara is secondary as a weapon to lawfare. hasbara is an apology whereas lawfare is an attack and the best defense is a good offense.
special outlets selling west bank products should be opened for jews to purchase items…. especially also on the internet.
The labeleing will then serve to Jews as to which products to buy in order to support Israel This will be direct support more effective than the anachronistic ADL
Any Jewish individual or family which boycotts or advocates boycott should be banned from Israel and law of return.
European collective reincarnating again as Hitler and the 2000 year blood libeling church
Europe is Hitler!
Europe is the 2000 year blood libeling Jew stalking church.
europe is an existential enemy as dangerous as Hitler ever was.
We are at the stage where insane blood libels are running rampant throughout europe and reinforced by the euro govs and BDS church libels against israel
There is no difference between this time and the time leading up to Kristallnacht.
Libel is the tool of genocide and murder of the Jews employed by eurogovs and church throughout history…. they issue libels and the mobs follow suit….. they also pay the mobs as they now pay the arabs.
They are emplying the same tactics they have always employed
It is imperative that the Jews come out of denial and see the euro collectvie as the supremely evil force on the planet obsessed with stalking, swindling, libeling and slaughtering the Jews whether in their midst or in Israel.
Jews must wake up to their danger and cease listening to words.
They are insane, as Ishmael observed of Esau
(credit to yamit 🙂 )
Anyone conversant with history knows the European end game: Dead Jews. It is dangerously delusional for Israel to seek European acceptance, much less grovel for it. Get whatever you can from the Germans and Brits and French, but never forget that you are dealing with poisonous snakes.