[See also Muslims Attack Christians in Egypt, 12 Killed, 232 Injured]
By Barry Rubin, PAJAMAS MEDIA
In the wake of bloody Muslim attacks on Egyptian Christians the New York Times informs us:
“By lifting the heavy hand of the Mubarak police state, the revolution unleashed long-suppressed sectarian animosities that have burst out with increasing ferocity….”
No kidding! Did you think a single Egyptian Christian didn’t know this in February? Why didn’t the media report or the U.S. government understand that this was absolutely inevitable and predictabe. But the only mentions of Christians were to claim that they were really enthusiastic about the revolution.
The remaining Christians in most of the Arabic-speaking world may be on the edge of flight or extinction. All of the Christians have left the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip which is, in effect, an Islamist republic. They are leaving the West Bank. Half have departed from an increasingly Islamist-oriented Iraq where they are under terrorist attack. Within a few years they might all be gone.
In Lebanon while the Christians are holding their own there is a steady emigration. As for Syria, the community has generally supported the Asad regime fearing a revolutionary Islamist replacement. One dissident recalled that as he was being beaten in a Syrian prison a few years ago the police yelled at him, “Why are you doing this? You’re a Christian!”
Egypt has more Christians than Israel’s entire population. There have been numerous attacks, with the latest in Cairo leaving 12 dead, 220 wounded, and two churches burned. The Western media generally attributes this to inter-religious battles. Yet Egypt’s Christians, so totally outnumbered and not having any access to the power of the state, have generally kept a low profile.
It is hard to believe that gangs of Christians go out and attack Muslims, especially when the fighting revolves around mobs attacking churches. “How can they say we started it when we are defending our church?” asked one Christian. That makes sense.
The Christians cannot depend on any support from Western churches or governments. Will there be a massive flight of tens or even hundreds of thousands of Christians from Egypt in the next few years?
The U.S. government has just announced that it will forgive about $1 billion of Egyptian debt at a time when the American economy isn’t doing so well. You can just bet that there are no political strings attacked: no pressure over Egyptian backing of Hamas, growing anti-Israel policy, cutting off natural gas supplies, the increasingly difficult situation of Christians, opposing Iran’s ambitions and nuclear weapons’ drive, or anything else.
What will happen if and when an Islamist-dominated regime is in power in Egypt–which could happen as early as September? Will U.S. aid and support continue?
Up until now, the strength of the Muslim Brotherhood has been badly underestimated in the West. But increasingly it is also apparent that the strength of anti-Islamist forces has been overestimated.
I have noted that even Amr Moussa, likely to be Egypt’s next president and a radical nationalist, has predicted an Islamist majority in parliament. That should be a huge story yet has been largely ignored.
He is not creating his own party, meaning that a President Moussa will be dependent on the Muslim Brotherhood in parliament. Rather than the radical nationalists battling the Islamists these two forces might well work together.
And who will they be working against? Just guess.
Palestinians: Poll Shows Overwhelming Support for Islamism
Posted: 08 May 2011 10:25 AM PDT
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By Barry Rubin
I’m always a bit wary of using public opinion polls in the Middle East because much depends on the day the poll is done; the way questions are worded; and the fact that in authoritarian societies ruled by dictatorial regimes people don’t necessarily speak their mind.
In this poll, by Near East Consulting, there are some peculiar results that make it appear skewed toward Fatah and against Hamas. This may have to do with the fears of those polled. It is revealing that—I don’t think I’ve ever seen this before—the official Fatah-controlled Palestinian press agency, Wafa, distributed a story on the poll because it fits with their political line.
But that fact makes the following two points all the more remarkable, even shocking compared to past, comparable polls:
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–Asked to give their primary personal identity, 57 percent said Muslim; 21 percent, Palestinian; 19 percent, human beings; and only 5 percent said Arab.
This says something important about the steep decline in Arab nationalism but brings into question Fatah-style Palestinian nationalism, too. One can see oneself primarily as a Muslim and still support Fatah and the Palestinian Authority, but this upward trend also indicates of the growth of thinking likely to lead people toward backing Hamas in future.
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–Asked what government system they preferred in future, about 40 percent said they want an Islamic caliphate. In addition, 24 percent seek a system like those in Arab countries, and only 12 percent prefer one like that in European countries.
While defining what an “Arab system” means is ambiguous, it is reasonable to presume that means an Arab nationalist dictatorship since at this moment virtually no Arab country is a democracy.
When asked whether they support Fatah or Hamas the results are so overwhelmingly pro-Fatah as to make one suspicious. It is safer for someone living in a dictatorship to discuss general principles rather than oppose that government in conversation with outsiders. Yet, again, one would expect a Fatah supporter to highlight a Palestinian or Arab identity rather than a Muslim one.
What this poll, and other indications, suggests to me is that the potential constituency for Islamism (Hamas) is at least 40 percent, for Palestinian nationalism (Fatah, Palestinian Authority) just over 20 percent, and for democracy about 12 percent. Most of those who expressed no opinion would probably support the PA to give it an election victory but that cannot be assumed.
Note that there is no real organized moderate democratic party in the entire Palestinian political spectrum. The findings remind us of just how small the base is for any modern democratic state in the sense that is understand not only in the West but also in much of Asia, Africa, and the Latin America.
Remember that in most of the rest of the Third World, even where dictatorship exists, a moderate democratic state is a popular aspiration. It may not be what people have but it is what the majority wants. This really doesn’t seem to be true in the Middle East.
These figures also imply that Hamas is more likely to recruit current Fatah supporters than vice-versa.
There are hints here of what would happen in completely free elections in a future Palestinian state. They do not incline Israel—or anyone with good sense—to rush to support the creation of such a state, especially now that Fatah and Hamas are once again united.
zionsake: Cannot agree with you more.
In Lebanon the balance might still have been in favor of the Christians had the Pentagon agent, Ehud Barak not abandoned them to the mercy of Hizballah.
When I think that in Egypt Christian Copts are the descendents of Pharaohs and Muslims are the descendents of the marauding Islamic forces of the 7th century, I grieve for the greatness of Egypt. Not one bit of Egypt’s former greatness can be attributed to Muslims. Conquering Muslims have first and foremost been _looters_, and while far from being the only culture to loot, in the 21st century some Muslims still think looting is their due. In the past year I read of an Egyptian Muslim cleric who urged jihad on the world so Muslims could fill their coffers. At the beginning of Islam Arabia did indeed depend on loot taken by their warriors to support the state.
Muslims treatment of Copts and outsiders is deplorable. There are Muslims who during the first demonstrations for freedom in Egypt hand raped an American news reporter, and these Muslim men know who they are. Someone yelled out she was a Jew, the typical militant Muslim’s choice of words to start a riot. It makes us women want to drop a bomb on them…
Evidently the word is not getting through to some Egyptian militants that if they live by the sword, they will die by the sword, just like old dead duck bin Laden, and the fallacy there will be 72 virgins to greet them is a laugh. Some Muslim leader needs to take hold of this situation and act responsibly. Because their planned actions will mean war. The U.S. will not sit by and allow harm to come to the Jews.
Where is the Muslim leader who will step forth to make peace?
MUSLIMS ARE EXTREMELY INTOLERANT OF THE OTHERS WHILE MOST WISH TO ESCAPE THEIR ISLAMIC COUNTRIES TO CHRISTIAN EUROPE AND AMERICA IN ORDER TO ISLAMISE AND RUIN THESE LANDS, TOO.
LOOK AT THOUSANDS ESCAPING THEIR OWN ISLAMIC RULERS IN EGYPT, LIBYA, BAHRAIN AND TUNISIA. YET THEY ARE BRINGING THEIR KORAN AND IDEOLOGY OF HATE AND VIOLENCE WITH THEM IN ORDER TO DESTROY THE CIVILISATION IN EUROPE, TOO.
SHOULD THE WESTERN LEADERS NOT BE AWARE OF THIS PERIL TO OUR OWN CIVILISATION?
As Rubin said,
If the Christians and Jews in America don’t wake up, what’s happening to the Copts now in Egypt will be happening to them.