Dr. Stella Immanuel: “The Whole Pandemic Was A TROJAN HORSE For Vaccines – Fauci Is Epitome Of Evil.”

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1. @peloni

   OK.

2. Reader

   I haven’t said that Wikipedia is a reliable source.

   Fairly stated, you didn’t. I apologize for having mis-phrased your comment and thereby changed the meaning. In truth, it is how I read your meaning, but I see that was my mistake and not your comment, so forgive my error.

3. “Vaccine” side effects:

   https://israelnewstalkradio.com/vaccine-injured-doctor-shares-her-dramatic-experience-the-tamar-yonah-show-audio-%f0%9f%8e%a7/

   https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-testimonials.html

4. @peloni

   I haven’t said that Wikipedia is a reliable source.

   I never said I only use reliable sources because this would require deciding once and for all which sources are reliable and no one can have this exact knowledge.

   I said that I research things before I post and that I don’t care where the information comes from as long as it is truthful.

   I know that Wikipedia lost its former quality (which it did have) over the last 10 years or so but I refuse to choose my sources based on their political affiliation or any other feature of theirs.

   If the info I happen to post is incorrect, post the better info to negate or contradict it but I don’t go for the Left/Right, Conservative/Liberal,
   Democrat/Republican, etc. distinctions when deciding who is correct and who isn’t.

   This kind of thinking and argumentation (if you can call it that) is appropriate among the sports fans discussing their favorite teams and players but it is not suitable for more complex (and complicated) issues.

5. @Reader
   I didn’t and wouldn’t describe you as stupid, as you claimed I did. Doing so would be rude and off topic, even if I thought it was true, which I don’t, in spite of our many disagreements on certain topics. I don’t agree with your opinion and valuation that Wiki is a reliable source. But when you tell me that you only use reliable sources and in the same moment quote a source from a political hotdog stand, well, I won’t hold back the ridicule, as I haven’t. As I noted many like Wiki. It is convenient and it often has useful sources, but it is a political tool regardless if you find support in using it. Your sourcing is your own choice, as I noted previously, but do not expect me to accept such a politically managed cite as a useful source.

   I am quite occupied this week, so I’ll likely followup over the weekend.

6. @peloni

   Please cite a reliable source that says that it was the CARES Act that “motivated the hospitals to fill their beds with “COVID cases”” and not some other legislation.

   Please cite a reliable source which contradicts the Wikipedia statement that hospital employees make (marginally) the most money among the American doctors.

   You devoted most of your post to a patronizing analysis of my alleged BELIEF in Wikipedia.

   I know better than you do what Wikipedia is worth but if you don’t like the info I cited from it, cite the better info which negates it instead of chiding me for my ASSumed by you stupidity which caused me to BELIEVE in Wikipedia.

   And please recall that I DO NOT USE the expression “I BELIEVE” because I do not consider the information and theories about the economy, society, politics, health, etc. religious matters which require BELIEF.

   If someone wishes to BELIEVE in the virtue and goodness of something vs. something else (mutually exclusive ideas) which certainly saves the thinking time – it is their choice – but count me out on that one.

7. @Reader
   The costs were dwarfed or greatly reduced following these steps being taken. The comparison between Japan and the US was intended to display one of the more egregious disparities which would reduce US govt costs of drugs resulting from these policies.

   And yes, the current regime cancelled all of these Executive Orders without ceremony, delay or excuse, and they did so as one of the first steps after seizing control.

   Wiki is not a reliable source of the Left as you seem to believe. I called it propaganda because it is disinformation. You might as well cite a campaign add or the funny pages. If you really need some examples, I am sure it will not require much effort to display them. Here is a critique of one of the founders
   https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

   In truth, it is as reliable as Google, Twitter or Facebook, in that it reliably has a goal of disinformation and Leftist appeal. Personally, I’d rather look for the facts than be fed, what is it called again….ah, yes, propaganda.

   If you find it informative, useful or convenient, please enjoy. But citing it as a reliable source will only gain my abject humor, unfortunately, as many seem unaware of its unsubtle bias.

   And your analysis on the CARES Act having “a few flaws in it” obscures the fact that these “few flaws” resulted in the deaths of countless people by motivating the the hospitals to fill their beds with “Covid cases” just to grab the easy cash contingent on a preferred diagnosis and a staged catastrophe.

8. @peloni

   I don’t care whether the information is leftist or rightist as long as it is correct.

   “That dwarfed the costs on Pharmaceuticals. The US pays 7X more for pharmaceuticals than Japan, for example.”

   The US pays more even after the costs were dwarfed?

   I already posted about the “middlemen being cut out”.

   It was nothing but a pharma political trick to avoid cutting the drug prices.

   If “the cost of insulin under Trump dropped to about 35/month as apposed to hundreds of dollars per month”, then why did you contradict yourself by citing the tremendous cost of insulin in your previous post as a proof of the Medicare mismanagement?

   Or did the prices go back up again under Biden?

   CARES Act gave access to health care to tens of millions of people who couldn’t afford it, even though it has a few flaws in it.

   Don’t worry, when 0.1% take over completely and openly after they are done implementing their worldwide Greatest Depression, there will be no Medicaid, no Medicare, no Cares Act, no food stamps, no EPA, no regulations, no medical care for 90% of the population, no “useless eaters”, and whoever is left is going to work 17 hour days and sleep in barracks, just like they are supposed to for being not too bright.

   “And you will own nothing, and you will be happy.”

9. @Reader
   I really don’t accept Wiki as a source of more than Leftist propaganda. This is something attested to by one of the founders of the company, not that it takes a testimonial to realize the games they play. The info you care to cite by them may be well grounded, but not because you cited by Wiki. A personal critique of your sourcing, forgive the observation but since you cited Wiki as a source, I can’t restrain myself.

   Obamacare has decimated private clinics. The regulatory demands and penalties are crippling. About half of the private clinics sold out to hospitals and those remaining don’t qualify for the big payouts from the CARES Act and other govt boondoggles that enrich their allies in the massive hospital systems. The CARES Act for instance carried a 10billion dollar payout to the ten top hospital systems that qualified for handling Covid patients – just another motivator to bump Ms. Jones with heart failure into being diagnosed with Covid, placed with Covid patients with limited care and likely no treatment.

   Regarding Medicare/aid/healthcare costs, Trump instituted 4 Executive Orders ranging over a number of topics regarding Pharmaceutical pricing. The middle men being cut out, the pricing on epi pens and insulin, Favored Nations and the ability to order drugs in Canada, for example.

   These are all self explanatory, but the Favored Nations made it mandatory that the US govt pay no more than the lowest amount of any other govt, eg England, Canada, etc. That dwarfed the costs on Pharmaceuticals. The US pays 7X more for pharmaceuticals than Japan, for example.

   Then there is the issue of regulations, which doesn’t sound like an important topic but the costs associated with regulatory requirements are enormous and the penalties are significant. These are also beyond the point of treating the patient. There are many areas where healthcare and medicare could each be improved to lower costs, but these are the obvious ones and would have the largest impact. Just FYI, the cost of insulin under Trump dropped to about 35/month as apposed to hundreds of dollars per month. That was an enormous savings for US diabetics, but Medicare/aid pays for a big chunk of the US diabetics.

10. @peloni

    About the COVID vaccines/AIDS thing.

    Thank you for the explanation.

    I didn’t read the background article from the UK.

    I think that the way the authors of the article that I posted structured their argument was not based on the COVID virus’ alleged ties to the HIV virus.

    They are saying that after the jab, the human immune system loses ~5% of its capacity a week, and multiple jabs renew or continue the process and, therefore, result in AIDS (Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome).

    It looks like they are taking the term “AIDS” literally as immunodeficiency which can be caused by an outside agent, not necessarily by the HIV virus or its “relatives”, at least this is how I understood it.

    They might have come up with their own simplified conclusions after reading the UK article.

11. @peloni

    I don’t understand your argument about cost control by Medicare.

    Who is dictating the price of insulin – the pharma or the government?

    You sound like the government is begging the pharma “”Please, please, make your drug prices as high as possible or even higher!”

    The government pays what it has to and I don’t see how it can “control” it.

    If it CAN control it and refuses to do so, then it doesn’t do its duty PRECISELY BECAUSE it is owned by the Big Pharma, et al. and is helping them in its capacity as the fist of the big business to rob the American people of their hard earned money.

    The health care system in the US is the most expensive in the world (and, I might say, not the best) – is this also Medicare’s fault?

    BTW, you mentioned once that the poor innocent American doctors are forced by the hospitals to do what they are doing.

    Guess why they prefer to work for hospitals?

    Because this way they make more money!

    “Other results from the survey were that those running a solo practice earned marginally less than private practice employees, who, in turn, earned marginally less than hospital employees.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_in_the_United_States

    Last but not least, I never use the expression “I believe” when posting my opinions because they are based on FACTS and NOT on RELIGION or BELIEFS.

    Obviously, no one can know ALL the facts but I try to at least research the things I talk about.

12. @Michael
    Trump is responsible for what happened under his watch, but in truth there was a rolling series of insurrections taking place under his watch since before he became president, and the virus and then the vaccine were each employed to undermine and diminish him by the entire Washington establishment which did include his own appointed administrators.

    Regarding Fauci, Trump took a lesson from Nixon that he should keep his dead wood around him and just ignore them as opposed to firing them. This was true with Fauci and many others, but his real mistake was to be found in the appointments he himself made from the Washington insiders. His greatest mistake was choosing his staff from the Washington elites that he ran against. I believe it was part of a deal he cut before the Republican Convention, but whatever the reason behind it, the result was to undermine him on every action he took during his entire 4 years.

    Specifically, the greatest failure of his presidency was completed when a known treatment of Covid was purposefully banned due to the actions of his own staff after he ordered HCQ to be authorized for general use. Remember that all of this goes away if the ill receive treatment, and it is only the most bizarre feature of the Covid disease that they are not treating them.

    Per Dr. Paul Alexander, who was an advisor to HHS under Trump, “there was a great deal kept from Trump”. This was confirmed by Dr. Steven Hatfill’s comments as well. Recall also that Trump delegated the White House Task Force to be run by that wretch, Pence. It was, however, as you noted, under his watch.

    I agree that his constant unwavering support for the vaccines is discouraging, especially as they are badly failing, and this will only increase with time.

13. @Reader

    Are covid “vaccines” giving people AIDS? Immune system functions are dropping around 5% EACH WEEK in those who were vaccinated

    The conclusions in this story are reckless and unsubstantiated.

    They got this story from the Expose where I read of their conclusions last week. It is drawn from the fact that the vaccine efficacy is dropping at ~5%/wk and they drew a bizarre conclusion.

    There is some derangement of the immune system that takes place following the jabs. I have written my concerns on this for some time and the implications of the Tcell shutdown for an unknown period is serious and we should all be concerned about it. Furthermore the findings by pathologists in several countries have expressed bizarre findings. They have actually had to define new terms to describe such bizarre findings among the cadavers of the vaccinated who they are able to describe with some certainty in 30-40% of their cases as having died from the jabs. But it is not HIV. And this conclusion of 5% drop in immunity assumes facts that are not supportived by reality.

    They are basing this on the British data that I shared last week, which is alarming. However, the alarming nature of the data should not draw us to alarming conclusions without support. 2.5% of the SARS-Cov2 virus is comprised from 18 RNA inserts(specific sections) selected from either HIV or SIV(monkey version of the same virus) and includes a Prion-like insert on the Spike protein which is the source of such concern relating to Spongiform encephalopathy related to Mad Cow Disease. None of this is present in any other coronavirus, and this is well known and the consequence of it is uncertain, but it does not cause HIV.

    The conclusions in the Expose are drawn from the comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated people in the UK. Also, the conclusions are flawed as they do not consider confounding factors that could better explain the association of vaccinated people having upto more than 50% increase chance of contracting Covid.

    The vaccinated in England have greatly increased the level of breakthroughs and they are proportionately greatly overwhelmed the level of Covid disease seen in the unvaccinated. Anyone in England will tell you that the public at large have greatly accepted the vaccine mentality and pursued vaccination. This, like in Israel, Finland, and others, have left a very small portion of the public unvaccinated. This could be the reason for this disparity as there are too few unvaccinated available to display a proportionate sample in the Covid positive group. It could also be due to ADE where the virus hijacked the immune system. It could be a couple other issues as well, but to conclude that the immune system is reducing 5%/wk is rediculous.

    There also is an increase in the all cause mortality beyond Covid, and this is very concerning, but the source is unknown due to a lack of autopsies – yes it keeps coming back to this very intentional mistep that has been pursued by the entire world unfortunately. Suffice to say, the excess dead could be either vaccinated or unvaccinated or random between the two groups. Again, we don’t know because we don’t want to know.

    Additionally the bizarre nature of the breakthroughs in England is the highest weighted per cent of them are in one of the least vulnerable subsets of the population, ie 40-49yrs. The reason for this is unknown, but it is increasingly present week to week.

    Also the drop in vaccine efficacy does not cause the people to die, which would occur if the immune system were truly failing at 5%/wk. So, no, it is not HIV, but it is something that should be explored.

14. “China exported the virus world-wide and the US authorities including NIH/FDA/CDC/BARDA cooperated with Social Media/Legacy Media/Medical Journals to change an outbreak into a sustained medical crisis by refusing to allow the use of known treatments to aid the victims of the virus. Rephrasing this, these groups coordinated efforts to disqualify and actually prohibit both the use as well as development of treatment protocols. HCQ was banned. Treatment of pneumonia was banned. All treaments were banned. All forms of intervention towards developing a treatment was banned. The use of a little steroid after an enormous debate was allowed. The toxic Remdisivir was allowed and has been stated to have killed 1/4 of patients using it and offered no benefit to those who survived it. That is all the treatment that was allowed per FDA/CDC protocols in which clinicians have been threatened with, and have actually suffered, license review.”

    Donald Trump could easily be blamed for much of the above — it happened under his watch, and he made no effort to get rid of Fauci. Even recently, moreover, he has been extolling the efficacy of the faux “vaccines”. Pence shares the guilt, since he was nominally in charge of the deadly “vaccination” fast-tracking.

15. @Reader
    While I won’t argue with your conclusion regarding the govt being captured in the grip of corruption, I have to say the mismanagement is quite severe. The problem lies in the cost control, and it is largely due to the capture that is behind our present situation as well. It’s not so much of an opinion, as the pricing of insulin and epi pens alone display the situation that could easily bring about a great financial relief to both the general public and the US govt as well. And that was just two items. Just think about it, PHARMA’s largest customer is the US govt and they pay the highest prices for the goods the purchase, more so than much smaller customers such as the UK – as much as 7X on some items. So with that I will leave you to believe as you like, but the mismanagement is quite severe.

16. PELONI

    You are very kind in your good wishes for my family, and I thank you indeed very much.
    My daughter emailed me just before to say that she has ordered Quercetin (Dr. Stella’s “corseting”) and Cumin tabs for me, to add to the 6 Vitamins that arrived to me today. All incoming items are deposited outside my apartment door, I don gloves, take them in, and leave them for a few days to “cool down”. Then clean with Lysol wipes..

    So she’s keeping well informed as to alternative meds.

    Tanna has a genuine HORROR story, arousing pity…-and shame that we have allowed such to deteriorate to this degree.. Those doctors should be struck off the register.

17. Are covid “vaccines” giving people AIDS? Immune system functions are dropping around 5% EACH WEEK in those who were vaccinated

    Sunday, October 17, 2021 by: Ethan Huff

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-10-17-are-covid-vaccines-giving-people-aids.html#

18. @peloni

    I am on Original Medicare plus a Medigap plan and I don’t find it mismanaged, I find it threatened by the government which is under the iron heel of the corporate giants and which wants to turn it into private “Medicare” Advantage HMOs.

    The American government is the fist of the big business and it has almost no other function at this point.

    I think the current events prove it conclusively.

19. @Edgar
    I am glad to hear that your daughter and her family are doing well in spite of the positive test. Hopefully they will continue to improve without any consequence, as almost all people do.

    Dr. Stella does have a spot on this page for Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine:
    https://frontlinemds.com/

    It is just above her picture, it says “TO REGISTER TO GET HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE OR IVERMECTIN CLICK HERE”. It will take you to a page where you have to book an online consultation because these are prescriptive drugs. They charge $90 for preventative treatment and $185 for sick patients which includes 3 followups. I am not sure if this will work with Canada, but they might be able to refer you to a sister organization in Canada.

    Regarding the Vitamins with Quercitin, Dr. Zelenko also sells a similar product. He has noted that his preference is for HCQ but that Quercitin will work as well. HCQ concentrates in the lungs which is why he prefers it, but they both work throughout the body, so Zelenko notes that if you can’t get HCQ or IVM, to use Quercetin with Zinc and Azithromycin(prescription needed) if you can get it.

    You mentioned your daughter reads on these matters, so if you or she are interested, Dr. Mercola wrote an article on Quecetin recently here:
    https://robert-gorter.info/better-hydroxychloroquine-two-new-studies-show-quercetin-improves-covid-outcomes/

    You and your family will be in my prayers. I hope all of this is unnecessary and everyone recovers without any issues.

    By the way, Dr. Stella is a pastor and very religious in a Nigerian way. This is likely the reason for the blending of religion on her website.

    Dr. Zelenko also sells a similar product with the vitamins here:
    https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/#vitamins

20. @Tanna
    That is unbelievable. You are correct about the racketeering. Healthcare costs are absurdly expensive. I am so sorry to hear about your son’s ongoing struggle. Hopefully he will soon be able to go home with his family. This is just terrible.

21. I just checked her website and it does NOT mention any availability for Hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, but solely the Anti-Covid pill she’s pushing.

    He comments about the Virus are impressive, but I’m not over-thrilled about her being a pastor and a ferbrenta Christian,. She is saying that “if it gets you, it gets you , and you can die SAVED”….so is she pushing Christianity or Ivermectin etc.???

22. @Reader
    I don’t recall calling Medicare or Medicaid evil or even bad. It’s terribly mismanaged, and a large part of that is due to the fact that it is run by govt agencies complete with Pharma corruption and ridiculous regulatory requirements that prioritize procedural documentation over patient care. And if you want to go to war with the AMA, I will gladly enjoy the show. They have not served the interest of doctors or patient for as long as I can remember. Their primary goal is to render medicine into a mega-conglomerate that is nothing more than an extension of the govt, and the govt has never managed anything well if the purpose did not include killing someone or taking someone’s money. As far as the doctors, I think we have discussed this several times, so I won’t rerun that conversation.

23. “Corseting” obviously means “quercetin”. So it’s likely that the interview was recorded and the text taken from a recording by a not completely vitamin educated person.

    On another topic….I posted a few days ago, that my daughter and husband were recovering from a mild, no fever, no coughs, no aches ailment. She decided to get tested, and was shown to be POSITIVE. So the whole family has tested POSITIVE, but with little, if any, real discomfort. Because of Rachel’s extreme care in her contacts with me, I’ve been classed as “low risk”… Let it be true, and continue…… P.G.

24. speaking of evil in this world. Just got the bill for insurance for a 32 days in a general hospital for general care after another hospital finished screwing up our sons life with their incompetent care. They dump him on this other hospital. Second hospital does not do anything, they are a glorified nursing home with out the PT. the patient has to be sent to another hospital to have surgery’s on his arm. to remove IV’s and pic lines. They say we didn’t put it in, can’t take it out. All he receives is general and minimum care. not been out of bed the whole month. His doctor charged him for everyday of the month, although he only spoke to the doctor 3 / 4 times. When question about the bill for everyday in the month, the Doctor said I was there but you where asleep. When we pushed back and refused to pay for those sleep days. the Doctor said, don’t worry just don’t pay it. I take it off my taxes as unpaid debt. But the insurance companies make me report that I see you everyday or they want pay. It gets better, the hospital NOT DOCTORS, since they do not have any on their payroll charges 450 Thousand dollars for just over 30 days. That was before insurance discounted it. You can’t make this sh…..t up! This is criminal, insurance is a racket. Doctors and the medical profession is a racket.

    As far as J.C. or whatever……… somebody better hurry up and come put a stop to this mess or there will not be anybody left to even believe in a god.

    And just to let you know…… I’m happier and healthier and wealthier then I have ever been. I’m just mad as hell and hope to God he puts me in charge when he gets here so I can help straighten this mess out. I got me some Ideals….

25. @Raphael

    This kind?

    http://admin.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/former-pfizer-employee-and-whistleblower-reveals-horrifying-new-patent-will-connect

26. Reposting the 1st time:
    Reader
    October 19, 2021 at 12:04 am

    @peloni

    “Medicare advantage only pays hospitals or clinics that are authorized by Medicare.”

    The reason Medicare and Medicaid exist is not because the government is evil and seeks to enslave the poor, innocent doctors and hospitals who are just trying to make a penny to support themselves and their families.

    They exist because the American people increasingly cannot afford to pay for their medical costs, and they cannot do that because the American Mafia Association is in reality a business guild which only cares about the profits of its members.

    One wonders what doctors get paid for these days when all they do, except for the surgeons and some highly qualified specialists, is prescribe medications and collect money.

    Most of the American health care has been farmed out to insurance companies who dictate to the doctors how to treat their patients by picking and choosing what they will or will not pay for.
    Most doctors are just medical businessmen.

    I despise them and I have no compassion for them, except for the several honest ones who fight against the vaccine for the sake of their patients.

    I’d run most of them out of their business in a minute if I could.

27. One wonders if the Pandemic, the Immigration crisis, the (coming) Financial crisis, the massive Electoral fraud, the Collapse of America’s Military and Foreign policy, Critical Race Theory, and Climate/Green Hysteria, not to mention all of the Woke nonsense like Gender Dysforia, has caused the “Globablist Left” to show all of their cards, or do they still have more Aces up their sleeves? I do hope that someone knows, (very precisely), who these people, and their running dogs, are. A great Reset is certainly in order, just not the kind that they envision.

28. @Reader
    It was an overstatement. Medicare/caid is about 1/3 of all healthcare costs pre-Covid with medicare between 20-25%. I can’t give you a source for this, it’s just general knowledge. There might be somewhere in AHA or CMS to give you a better breakdown on it. Depending on the locality this will fluctuate from one hospital to another, of course.

    The point I was trying to make is that they can’t make the bottom line if they lose the medicare funding, aside from the actual percentage – they would never risk it period. Hospital administrators are not pragmatic, they are utilitarian, LOL, sorry, its an old joke. Also Medicare advantage only pays hospitals or clinics that are authorized by Medicare. It is all quite related.

29. @peloni

    Where did you get this that most of the hospitals’ money comes from Medicare?

    Medicare is only for the elderly – are you saying that the vast majority of the hospitalized patients are elderly?

    The Original Medicare is a government program but the Medicare Advantage plans are run by PRIVATE companies approved by Medicare, and the government tries to direct the Medicare enrollees away from the Original Medicare to the Medicare Advantage plans and to limit the Original Medicare choices.

    My understanding is that the “Medicare” Advantage plans are private insurance plans that agree to follow the Medicare guidelines in pricing, etc.

    Also, “the fact that when you control a man’s income, you can control him completely” sounds kind of pathetic.

    I realize how bad it can be but this is nothing but slave mentality.

    They pay you – they own you.

    I wouldn’t want to live if this were true.

30. @peloni

    “The doctors would need to clear it”.

    Not at this level.

    At this level the reward and punishment might have been the reverse of the usual.

    Remember when Trump and Giuliani got COVID (allegedly) – they got treatment.

    Colin Powell is not you average guy, he is up there with the “elite”.

    The only other thing (other than denying him treatment) I can think of is that he didn’t need any treatment from COVID because he never had COVID, and his death is being used as a COVID scare tactic.

    I am sure they have a positive PCR test to prove it but from what I heard, people were able to obtain positive PCR tests even from inanimate objects.

31. Everytime you print such nonsence from obviously deranged people I swear that I won’t read any more articles on your site, but I keep coming back for the entertainment.

32. @Reader

    I cannot imagine that they withheld treatment in this case.

    I don’t know. The doctors would need to clear it thru the administrators who actually run the hospitals and make medical policy. The problem is that the hospitals have an enormous amount to lose if the govt cuts their medicare payments off, even for a short period. That is where most of their money comes from, even before Covid when people stopped visiting the hospitals for elective surgeries. They have little choice but to do as they are told. If the administrators don’t do as instructed, they can’t replace the missing revenue and they know it. The billing is all linked to coding, so there is no difficulty in determining who is treating Covid patients. And any infringement on the policy could cost them their position. It all goes back to the fact that when you control a man’s income, you can control him completely, especially if he has dependents and is employed doing something he can’t replace. That being said, there are always exceptions for the elites, so I guess I am back to ‘I don’t know’.

33. @Bear
    Wow, I was not aware of the CART research. Thanks. That is very exciting news.

    Also, on the virus topic, I wasn’t trying to change your mind either, just asking for your reasoning on these topics as I know you have a different perspective. I trust you understood that, but in case you didn’t, I thought it should be noted.

    I believe many things can come from two people discussing matters upon which neither necessarily agrees but each agree that there is no harm in such discussions.

    So thanks for your input.

34. @Bear

    a friend of mine in Israel suffers from Multiple Myeloma. Their doctor did NOT allow them to be vaccinated.

    Yes, MM patients are very fragile, and is often associated with multiple other diseases. The consequence of this is that the patient must be assessed on the basis of all the disease issues.

    Given your info on your friend, the standard of care may be to withhold vaccination on them. I have to admit I haven’t followed it since last fall before the vax rollouts. I also had a friend who suffered from MM for years, and he was quite excited about the vaccine. He was a former mentor of mine, having retired from practicing medicine some years back. He unfortunately died last October, and I haven’t followed the research on it since. A quick look shows some debate on the subject of vaccination with MM in the research.

    A study last spring showed that

    In conclusion, patients with MM are at a high risk for severe COVID-19 with high mortality rates. Vaccines against SARS-CoV-2 are endorsed in patients with MM without any other contradiction.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC7892292/

    Another study from April showed that the vaccines reduced treatment efficacy – probably as a consequence to the issues with the changes in the immune system.

    So the science is not settled, it would seem.

    You are correct that MM patients are very sensitive to infections. The greatest concern is disease spread from family members who can pass diseases to them very easily, which you probably are aware. This was to be another benefit of the vaccine program.

35. @Peloni my friend who has MM received a • Bone marrow transplantation

    • CAR-T therapy, a new immunotherapy, has been approved by the Health Ministry of Israel for the treatment of multiple myeloma after clinical trials in the United States, Europe and United Kingdom.

36. @Peloni in Israel they are doing so very advanced treatments on MM (which as of about 2 years ago I believe were not available in the USA). My friend got this treatment which helps the immune system and prolongs life. It is not a cure.

    Here is a link on what was available about 2 years ago.

    There may be even more advancements very recently.

37. @Peloni, yes we disagree!! I already knew that. I was not nor will I try to change your viewpoint and belief system.

    I believe in free thought and free will. Also the right to politely agree to disagree.

38. @Bear

    Do I believe there is a conspiracy to reduce the world’s population and that is the cause of the pandemic.

    I never said anything about reducing the world’s population, though it has been reduced and continues with rising all cause mortality around the globe. I said it was related to the vaccine rollout, which is hard to dispute.

    Your theory on incompetence does not explain the use of fraud to manipulate and prevent the use of HCQ which was shown perfectly well to be useful in treatment.

    It also doesn’t explain why all treatments were warned off after positive PCR. No pneumonia has ever been left to fester for weeks prior to intervention. This is why people die.

    I’m not even going to mention the Fauci emails with Anderson and others.

    The head of BARDA, Bright, countermanded the POTUS order that would have released HCQ to be used by the public. After speaking to Woodcock of FDA, Bright instead issued the EUA to prevent it being used til late in the disease.

    A study on HCQ was conducted that actually used 4X upper limit dose during a drug trial by someone who had used HCQ in other trials and had to be familiar with the dosing.

    Lancet published complete BS studies claiming it was the product of 671 hospitals around the world. This trial was peer reviewed in the highest medical journal in the world at a time that no scientist or clinician could get any research published on drug treatment in any journal.

    Meanwhile, based on these fraudulent studies, the EUA was revoked and HCQ was labeled toxic in use of Covid.

    None of this was incompetence. You may not believe that Phama was the guiding hand here, but someone was driving this vehicle.

    China was responsible for the outbreak, and if they were behind all of these and other steps that have led the world to a vaccine that has failing efficacy and serious adverse effects, then they would be responsible for the pandemic as well. I have not seen anything to lead me to that conclusion, yet. But it was more than chance mismanagement and gross incompetence that caused these events.

    Regarding your comment that

    Governments and politicians have been overwhelmed by the pandemic and incompetent in dealing with it.

    What was so overwhelming? They refused to treat sick people and they are still refusing to do so. When they finally break with this standard, the virus will respond to the treatment as we saw in India and Japan. Recall India has a terrible situation with overcrowding, general health conditions and a marginal health system(sorry India, but it’s true). Yet, in less time than Israel and the US dented their most recent outbreak, India vanquished Covid in 5-7weeks and now it is gone. And now Japan is doing the same.

    But the rest of the world says lets keep using the vaccines because….why again? Is it the limited duration of effectiveness after a serious alteration to the immune system, or is it due to the serious adverse effects? I dislike snarky sarcasm, so sorry for that, but it makes my point perfectly clear. The vaccines can’t stop Covid, or they have not been shown to be able to do so after jabbing more than half the world’s population and outbreaks continue. But treatment can stop Covid, and there should be no surprise that treating sick people will reduce the disease – that was the very purpose of medicine before the Pharma capture which has changed it to a multi-million, then multi-billion and now multi-trillion dollar financial gambit in which millions of suffering people have died.

39. @Peloni a friend of mine in Israel suffers from Multiple Myeloma. Their doctor did NOT allow them to be vaccinated.

    Having MM one would have a seriously compromised immune system and any serious infection is likely to kill them. At least that what I have been told by doctors about people suffering from that and other cancers.

40. @peloni

    I cannot imagine that they withheld treatment in this case.

    About 200 of the Congressmen have been taking the banned treatments and the White House is not subject to the vaccine mandate.

    Is Colin Powell less important than a Congressman?

41. Thus:

    “They want to download our minds connect us on the internet of things. ”
    &
    “And the good news is the end time is Jesus might be coming soon. And at the end of the day, Jesus wins.”
    &
    “What else has to happen before people start thinking “Maybe the name of the Beast, the Number of the Beast is being released?”

    Now I understand, download our minds, but Jesus on the way so all will be OK, and Lucifer’s concoction being injected into our bodies. Not necessarily in this order.

    You can take this stuff to the bank!

42. @peloni

    There was some info about how the vaccine lowers immunity, that was the last thing that the elderly with comorbidities need.

    In my opinion, it is an attempt to create a poster “man” for COVID because the vaccination rate is going down (likely).

    I am wondering how many of the elderly has this vaccine managed to kill by now.

43. @Reader
    Interesting. His family is reported to have claimed it was due to complications of Covid. It was noted last year that Multiple Myeloma(MM) patients had an increased likelihood of serious adverse events with the virus, and I suspect the same was likely true with the jabs. I was wondering if he recently had a 3rd jab, as he is the perfect candidate for it as intended by the CDC protocols.

    MM is a cancer of Bcells, the cells that actually create antibodies. This would increase the chance of infection of viral/bacteria in general and these people were primary candidates for the jabs last Dec. to give them the benefit of protecting them from the virus. The MM disease has standard risk and high risk grouping based on both genetic mutations involved in the cancer as well as certain disease presentations. The standard risk group are treated less agressively than the high risk group. Treatment involves suppressing the tumor and that suppresses the immune system. The patients are quite susceptible to infections. MM can also cause the red blood cells to be low. Also, MM is very often associated with other serious co-morbidities as well. In the pre-Covid era, MM could be a difficult disease to balance and part of the treatment was designed to keep the patient from having to go to the hospital to receive the treatments. With Covid, MM would be even more difficult, especially if the CDC guidance were adhered to should the patient be diagnosed. It is just barbaric to withhold treatment from these sick people.

44. @Peloni, I believe China is responsible for the Pandemic. Others who helped fund the lab were certainly incompetent. Governments and politicians have been overwhelmed by the pandemic and incompetent in dealing with it. Do I believe there is a conspiracy to reduce the world’s population and that is the cause of the pandemic. The answer is simply no!!!! I also do not believe that big pharma planned the pandemic. Do they try and profit from it. Yes!!! Are there conflict of interests at times between good medicine and profit. Yes..

    I think Trump save a lot of lives by prepaying for vaccines that were not yet produced. It cut the production cycle greatly!!!

45. @peloni

    Colin Powell had multiple myeloma and this is what he likely died from (getting “fully vaccinated” didn’t help his cancer either, I presume).

46. @Bear
    Interesting about Korea. I new they initially believed it was intentional, but was unaware this opinion had changed. However, whether the virus was intentionally released or accidentally released did not generate the pandemic, ie the world wide crippling event that shut down society, crippled business and industry, and set medical intervention back to the dark ages. That was all the result of a design within the US govt and associated interested parties. The world trusted the US to lead them and it was the greatest mistake in modern history.

    China exported the virus world-wide and the US authorities including NIH/FDA/CDC/BARDA cooperated with Social Media/Legacy Media/Medical Journals to change an outbreak into a sustained medical crisis by refusing to allow the use of known treatments to aid the victims of the virus. Rephrasing this, these groups coordinated efforts to disqualify and actually prohibit both the use as well as development of treatment protocols. HCQ was banned. Treatment of pneumonia was banned. All treaments were banned. All forms of intervention towards developing a treatment was banned. The use of a little steroid after an enormous debate was allowed. The toxic Remdisivir was allowed and has been stated to have killed 1/4 of patients using it and offered no benefit to those who survived it. That is all the treatment that was allowed per FDA/CDC protocols in which clinicians have been threatened with, and have actually suffered, license review.

    This is how the pandemic was created and why it continues even today. This is why the world did not achieve a similar outcome to India and Japan, over one year ago – look at the rate of recovery after treatment was employed. Control of the virus is quite amenable to treatments. After treating over 7K patients Zelenko saved all but 2. This has been reproduced repeatedly where early interventions have been employed, using a wide variety of treatment regimens – again look at India where they have eliminated Covid in all but the two states that followed the US/UK/Israel model which is why they are not yet zero Covid. Trump knew about HCQ, which is why he constantly spoke of it in his press conferences and even took it himself, but his own govt countermanded his direct orders to make it available to the public, restricted its use to late treatment which is useless, and arranged a PR campaign to label it “toxic” after fraudulent studies were employed using faked data and lethal doses given to hospitalized veterans. Also, the use of HCQ was known as a likely treatment and preventative of SARS since 2005(https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16115318/) when Fauci funded the preliminary research into it, which is why Dr. Stella stated last year she was certain he was taking the drug.

    This is how the pandemic began. China’s lab, partially financed by the US with Fauci’s authorization, was the source. Their motivations can be debated, but their motivations will only describe the why of what was created, ie a produced pandemic. So I do agree that China was the source. But do you not agree that China did not “cause the pandemic”?

    A corralary to these facts is why, since India has achieved ZERO COVID, which is what the vaccines were suppose to achieve, while the nations of the world have been desperately trying to reconcile their vaccine failures, have none of these great powers pursued a similar regemen to India? Other than Japan, that is.

47. Early on in the pandemic I talked to a Korean friend in depth about what the Koreans had been observing in Wuhan. They knew the virus had come out of a lab. At the time they believed it was intentional. Now they believe it was an accidental and careless of the Chinese to let the virus escape from the lab where they had been doing experiments.

    This I believe is the cause of the pandemic.

48. Colin Powell has died at age 84 due to COVID complications.

    Powell, the first Black US secretary of state, helped shape American policy for decades, specifically in the last years of the 20th century and early 21st century, CNN reports.

    Powell reportedly died of complications related to COVID-19, according to his family, who posted about his death on Facebook.

    “He was fully vaccinated. We want to thank the medical staff at Walter Reed National Medical Center for their caring treatment. We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American,” his family wrote in the post.

    https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2021/10/18/22732435/colin-powell-died-covid-19-obit

49. Dr. Stella’s passion for her patients has always had an infectious quality.

    I actually think that the whole pandemic was a Trojan Horse for vaccines.

    I really would like anyone to explain how this is not a universal conclusion. The massive media/NIH/CDC/FDA/BARDA/Medical Journals/Social media/International Medical community/International Medical agencies who all moved lockstep together to ban any treatment and undermine proven treatments.

50. “Fauci Is Epitome Of Evil”

    All the evidence points in that direction. I think he qualifies to be the “False Prophet” of the Book of Revelation.

    I’m considering buying RFK Jr.’s book on him:

    https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Real-Anthony-Fauci/Robert-F-Kennedy/Children-s-Health-Defense/9781510766808