By Ted Belman
Sec’y Kerry is here trying to induce both parties to restart negotiations. He is trying to get Israel to provide incentive to Abbas to return.
Israel, so far, has not offered any, nor should she.
If getting a state of their own through negotiations is not reason enough for them to return then there is no hope for a peace agreement.
If the Palestinians want a state they should negotiate and pay the price needed to get one.
But they are unwilling to pay anything to get one. They wanted it given on a platter.
Hi, I have said it before and I will say it again. Stop all feelers for negotiations with the Palestinians. If they really want to negotiate for an Independent State of their own, then they should step up to the plate and say, we are willing to pay the price to get a country. Let us see what they are willing to give away. Never offer an Arab a deal before you know what he is willing to offer in return. Otherwise he will just ask for more and more. Enough, we are tired of this game. We are here to stay and nowhere to go. You the Arabs have millions of square miles of land that you can go to and live with your people. Leave us alone
Rahamim
I agree.
Laura Said:
Another fan of Russ Limbaugh.
The Al-Quds daily said Jordan was to be involved as a key player in negotiations over the status of Jerusalem, which Israel claims as its capital while the Palestinians want the annexed eastern sector as capital of their future state.
There was no immediate confirmation of either report, but Jordan has been a key player in the peace process since it signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994.
Momentum is also gathering among Arab nations to revive the stalled peace process, with a delegation from the Arab League’s Arab Peace Initiative (API) committee to visit Washington later this month.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4365908,00.html
Hail Hail The Gangs All Here!!
The delegation includes the head of the Arab League’s Arab Peace Initiative committee, Qatar’s foreign minister, Hamad bin Jassim, Secretary General of the Arab League, Nabil al-Arabi, and the foreign ministers of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Morocco and the Palestinian Athourty.
Netanyahu ‘determined’ to move forward with peace process
But PM and visiting US secretary of state appear to disagree on whether talks should focus on ‘economic components’ or political track
Ch 10 in Israel reports BB has agreed:
To allow the building of infrastructure by the Palis in Area B and C, Like gas stations and power generating plants etc.
Early release of Pali prisoners who were imprisoned before Oslo. If they are still in prison it means the are in most cases murderers of Jews.
BB has agreed once again to freeze Building beyond the Fence but will not make a public statement to the effect for political reasons. Don’t know how that can work but that’s the report.
This looks like it will be a very short lived Government. Once a budget is passed, BB can mix up his government adding and subtracting parties.
Not Bennett here is Key but Lieberman and maybe Feiglin, watch their moves.
Israel should ignore Secretary Lurch.
I would prefer to rule my enemies than to put myself at their mercy and under their gun. These are the only two choices facing Israel, there is no evidence which contradicts this conclusion. Israelis must face reality, what one desires in Utopian dreams is completely irrelevant to reality. This has been proved over and over to Israel. Try as they may they have been unable to move forward one iota in REAL peace. Time to put the nail in the coffin of the “hope for peace” and realize the fruits of the inescapable conflict.
Your conclusion hits the nail on the head. There can be no formal agreement, there can only be a form of continuing the status quo until something happens to change the paradigm: most likely war. It should be abundantly clear to the peaccemongers that peace agreements with the neighbors are completly unreliable and only strngth , power, and land can be factors in security and stability. It is only thes things which have made, and continuue to make, Israel as safe as it can be. All the agreements are worthless. everybody knows it but everyone pretends the “emperor is wearing clothes”. Even the word “peace” has become as irrelevant as the TSS.
The pal children have been indoctrinated to hate and war against the Jews. Abbas and hamas cannot change course in their “narrative” even if they wanted to. obviously if they don’t change their books and education and continue to train babies in was against the Jews, this is the best indicator of the long term future. Suddenly changing this narrative means assassination of the leader. After they change their views it will take another 25 to 50 years to come to a “peace”. Thirty five years passed in egypt and the egyptians unanimously hate the Jews. If the Jews were realistic they would be training their children to hate and fight their enemies as opposed to being in confusion about their enemies motives. Israeli children are confused by their magnanimous and politically correct outlook. This creates a “mark” for those with a definite focus of killing Jews.
Any “agreements” which Israel may consider should include the realization that Israel will have to fight the same wars again but with less protection and security. It would be more comforting to have that realization if Israel was still on the other side of the suez canal withih kilometers of cairo, still within 25 k of Damascus and still in Beirut, or at least still in southern lebanon to the litani river. All returned for nothing. its time for a paradigm shift to a perspective which accepts reality: for generations there will be no peace, only conflict management. In such a scenario make lemonade and enjoy the view from a greater Israel. Imagine if for the last 35 years Israel had the Sinai and the Suez Canal with the same dangerous cease fire it has right now; which is all Israel has now with egypt
yamit82 Said:
Israel’s leaders have shown they have no principles and no real “red lines.”
The Arabs have not conceded anything while Israel has conceded a great deal.
If I am asked I prefer no peace and no Arab state to peace and an Arab state that will seek to take over Israel in stages.
There is no peace to be had at any reasonable price. If there was, Israel would have attained it decades ago.
You seem to be disappointed that there is no hope for a peace process?
Rational and logical deduction if what they want and we want is a Pali State. BB may want it, but really, without definition and real price Israel will pay including future risks, who else? If any Israeli leader says he or she is in favor of Pali State make them explain and define what they are wiling to give up and pay for it before even considering it.
They have gotten this far without giving away any of their own core principles, so why should they change now? They have proven to the world and other Terrorists that terror and violence pays.
I would prefer war and no Pali State than war because there is a Pali state.
Question would Begin make the same deal with Morsi and the MB today? Would those same myopic cretins who advocated giving up the Golan for a piece of paper and dreams of eating humus in the Damascus Casaba still want to give up the Golan to Syria? Do any of them consider Israels position today if they had done so? Are they deterred in their beliefs because of events on the ground today? Hardly, given another chance and a compliant dictator again in Syria they will be back pushing the same deals that failed before.
Israel must remove the peace concept and peace process from our national calculations and discourse.
Shamir once coined the phrase Peace for Peace the implied alternative is War for War. I can live with that formula. Instead of “Peace Now” There should be a movement of “War Now”
Your absolutely correct.
Tell Kerry to go home.
No more incentives, nothing. Let them go away.
Too much already has been given by Israel with nothing to show for it but more grief.
Take back Gaza, that in itself was a disaster.
Take back the Sinai, another mistake.
All these outsiders claim they have the interest of Israel at heart, bull shit.
If you want to help, stay out of this and support the good guys and if you don’t know the difference between the good guys and the bad guys, think about it and it has nothing to do with the color of their hats, white or black.
For those with blinders, the bad guys support and are terrorist and are constantly sending rockets into Israel and they are funded by Iran.
And if you fund them your just as guilty.
Truth is they will not bend one iota. They want to get rid of Jewish Israel more than they want a state. Otherwise they could have had a state long ago.
Bibi should start preparing the USA and Kerry that since Abu Mazen has not negotiated for years now and is only playing games it appears that we do not have a negotiating partner. Start preparing for concept that things other than a two state solution must be put on the table. Tell him about Bennett’s plan “Israel Stability Plan”.
We have already seen what happens when Israel vacates an area (Gaza) the Hamas terrorists take over. This is what would happen in Judah and Samaria if Israel left. This would not be good even for Palestinians who want any measure of freedom to speak, dress or think.
This should be brought up to Kerry and any US or European they meet. It is time to strongly plant the ideas of alternatives to the Two State Solution as obviously Abu Mazen is not a negotiating partner.
Israeli unilateral concessions will neither moderate the Arabs nor produce peace.
If the Arabs really wanted peace, they would return to the table.
Their adding new preconditions every year shows how uninterested they are in it.