T. Belman. DeSantis begs the question of whether there was significant fraud and says “Whoever puts their hand on the Bible on Jan. 20″ is the winner. Who can argue with this. Yet it obscures the truth.
Not for a second do I believe “Biden is beating both Trump and DeSantis for a general election matchup,” as reported.
By MARY LOU MASTERS, DAILY CALLER 7.8.23
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis admitted that “of course” former President Donald Trump lost the 2020 election to President Joe Biden in an interview with NBC News that aired Monday. The outlet’s Dasha Burns probed the Florida governor during the interview on whether he believes Trump’s argument that the 2020 election was stolen from him. While DeSantis conceded that he “doesn’t think it was the perfect election,” citing mail-in balloting, ballot harvesting and censorship from Big Tech companies, he said that “Joe Biden’s the president.”
“Whoever puts their hand on the Bible on Jan. 20 every four years is the winner,” said DeSantis. “No, of course he lost.”
DeSantis blamed the former president for turning “the government over to Fauci,” and allowing mass amounts of mail-in balloting during the COVID-19 pandemic that he argued could have had an effect on the election results. The governor also pointed to Florida’s ban on ballot harvesting as an example of his record on election integrity.
“Ron DeSantis should really stop being Joe Biden’s biggest cheerleader,” Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
DeSantis also insisted that the GOP move on from Trump in 2024 if they want to beat Biden in a general election next year, according to the interview.
“If the election is a referendum on Joe Biden’s policies and the failures that we’ve seen and we are presenting a positive vision for the future, we will win the presidency and we will have a chance to turn the country around,” DeSantis told NBC News. “If, on the other hand, the election is not about Jan. 20, 2025, but Jan. 6, 2021, or what document was left by the toilet at Mar-a-Lago, if it’s a referendum on that, we are going to lose.”
The RealClearPolitics (RCP) average for a 2024 national Republican primary, based on polls conducted between July 12 to Aug. 3, indicates Trump leads a crowded field with 53.7% support compared to DeSantis’ 15.7%. Though Biden is beating both Trump and DeSantis for a general election matchup, the former president fares better, losing by 0.9 points compared to the Florida governor‘s 2 points.
DeSantis’ sit down with NBC News is reflective of his campaign’s “reset” to do more media appearances following his CNN debut with Jake Tapper in mid-July.
Trump indictments are clearly politically motivated and makes USA seem like a banana republic.
That said the indictments are real and actual and Trump has legal jeopardy that could land him in prison.
Should not the GOP have a plan B an alternative to Trump?
DeSantis is my plan A, and I argue should be other’s plan B if not A. He is electable and a good candidate. In my view better than Trump with all his negatives, baggage plus his living in the past.
DeSantis promises to actually finish the border wall and tighten trade with China. He will be a strong pro Israel candidate. The GOP need DeSantis.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nearly-half-trump-supporters-considering-voting-different-gop-candidate-poll
@Peloni thank you for your views.
@Bear
How does he compare to Trump on his friendship with Israel?
As to being a conservative, what kind of conservative would vote to fast track the passage of the Obama’s signatrure Globalist trade deal, the Trans Pacific Partnership, which Desantis did do?
As far as being a good governor, how do you explain his passage of a bill that eliminates election oversight of the machines simply so that he can run for president.
He is a regional candidate with no national appeal, he fills rooms not stadiums, even with the record that he has in Florida. The Reps need a candidate which can win, so with this in mind, how do you think Desantis will fair with Blue collar workers? Recall the TPP which he voted to fast track will cut against him from both the Left and the Right.
What little base he has, seems to be slipping away rather than gaining strength, so even the “25%” which you seem to think wants someone else does not find him appealing.
Just some thoughts to consider.
DeSantis is a very successful governor and elected the second time with a huge margin. He has been a congressman and served in the military.
He is articulate, knowledgeably, youthful for a politician and has great energy. He is running against Trump in the primary which is tough because Trump has about 36% of the GOP voters who would vote for no one else, about 40% are open to voting for someone else and 25% want someone other than Trump.
I really like DeSantis and even his wife. He is super friend to Israel and is a true conservative.
Desantis is a liar. He claims he would never have signed the Cares Act, when he similarly signed his own Cares Act, only for Desantis it was called SB 7050. Both pieces of legislation were passed to address an emergency. The Cares Act addressed the Deep State sponsored ‘Pandemic’ while SB7050 addressed the Gov of Florida’s need to change the law to run for president. Just like the Cares Act, SB 7050 had several poisoned pills included in it, notably the removal of Florida citizens to investigate election irregularities. It also removed a key oversight for the election machines, and mandated the use of election machines and machine counting throughout the state. So when Desantis suggests he would have done a better job while dealing with a bioweapon launched against his citizens, it should be noted that he did no better even whe the issue was no greater than his own political future – and he was specifically notified of all the issues in this bill before he signed it, and still, he signed it.
Watch the first 14 min to hear just some of the issues with the bill which Desantis knowingly signed which will be used to disenfranchise the voters of his state:
https://rumble.com/v2npdas-vigilant-news-interview-raj-doraisamy-florida-ruins-elections-and-desantis-.html
By the way, the fellow in the video suggests Desantis was unaware of what was going into the bill because he was traveling overseas to Europe and Israel. Don’t be so foolish as to believe this. This was the primary piece of legislation which was going to permit him to run for president. He knew everything that was going on with that bill, which is likely related to many of the 7-digit donations he has received.
I actually like DeSantis’ answers in this interview.
Maybe DeSantis is just being smart. The 2020 election is over, and if he insists on beating the dead horse, he will be hounded out of the race. Maybe he knows in his heart of hearts that the election was stolen, but if he doesn’t get into office, he has no hope of doing anything good for the country. That’s just playing it smart. Still, I got a bad feeling about DeSantis. Politicians are ALL a bunch of weasels.
DeSantis being stopped by big donors as to election fraud stuff so he is playing along with being silent.
The Democrats will quietly give him a choice:
1) Prison
2) Don’t run again for president
He will choose #2
@Michael
Wow. Everyone should watch this piece by Turley!
Mister Sunshine is spitting lightining bolts:
Trump Witch Hunt IMPLODES in Jack Smith’s FACE. Worthless Republicans To Act?
https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2023/08/06/trump-witch-hunt-implodes-in-jack-smiths-face/
I’ve never seen Turley like this. :O
@Vivarto
Well explained.
What utter nonsense.
@Vivarto Yes, well, that’s certainly one way of looking at it. After all, “possession is nine tenths of the law.” – “The Exorcist” (1973) I see there’s a remake coming out this year. 😀
@Bear
To determine this question of course is why primaries are held.
In fact, I would suggest that primaries are, in some ways, more important than the general election because, win or lose, it allows the party members to discover all over again what it wants to be til the next election cycle. So what was popular 4 or 8 years ago might be reevaluated and rehashed to the likes and dislikes of the contemporary base.
The broad allure to an outsider by a national party was not something which was easily entered into by the voting Republican base, but they did so with both feet and never looked back. Trump rewarded them with a faithful regard for the values and issues on which he ran. By doing so, not only did he cement a great deal of support within his party, but gained the crossover support from many on the Left, which is how he won both in 2016 and 2020 with the fall of the Blue Wall. Those people who supported him chose a candidate who was authentic, frankly spoken and completely independent of the bipartisan powers which have corrupted the political process.
Flashforward to today. For someone to unseat Trump, they need to establish that they are not just someone else, and not someone who could do as well as Trump. They need to demonstrate that they would be better than Trump. You say Desantis is a ‘new young conservative’. That simply is not enough to replace a popular leader, which Trump clearly remains to be. As Desantis fills rooms, Trump fills stadiums. Desantis is building a national following (and failing at it) while Trump has a national following. Desantis is trying to discover what is palatable to both his donors and his dwindling supporters while Trump simply says what he thinks. You don’t have to agree with both men and many of us don’t in both cases, but you have to pick a leader which will be able to sustain the momentum of 2016 and 2020, if not exceed it, and that leader is not the fellow carrying out directives from the establishment donor class. The public chose Trump because of his independence, and Trump was successful because of his independence. No one who is bound to his donors so tightly as Desantis could or should earn the respect of the base which catapulted Trump to victory twice.
So when looking at the massive crowds which Trump has maintained as compared to the massive donors which Desantis is trying to maintain even while his poll numbers sink lower, I think the answer to your question is clear enough.
The only polls that matter are in states with honest election procedures and elections instead of caucuses. Whoever wins a majority of a state’s votes wins all the state’s electoral votes and it’s the electoral count that decides the election. 270 of 538 electoral votes are needed to win and there are different ways of getting there, a few big states or a larger number of small ones. The electoral vote usually matches the national popular vote, but not always, and it doesn’t have to. The pollsters should be calculating potential paths to victory or the lack therof. They would need a computer for this instead of what they do which is the equivalent of the cartoon of the meteorologist surrounded by sophisticated equipment sticking his foot out the window. To be fair, they sometimes do do this on election night, thanks for nothing.
Well, DeSantis is right. Trump lost, Biden is in the W.H.
Did Biden win through fraud, in my opinion yes.
Still, Biden won.
He won every bit as much as Lenin did 1917.
Actually Trump is even or even slightly ahead with Biden in many polls. Question comes down to swing states. Can Trump win enough swing states to win general election. Also some polls show if Trump is convicted in one or more the trials he is likely to lose 50% of the GOP voters and then he could not win.
Trump certainly is way ahead in GOP polls. Is he really the best choice for conservatives or would a new younger conservative leader serve the USA better. Such as DeSantis.