T. Belman. Dershowitz mounts a vigourous defense to Sklaroff’s allegations and scores lots of points. I want to focus only on his position that “Israel remain a bipartisan issue”. Is he suggesting that Israel should change its policy to be more in line with the policies of the Democratic Party (DP) which supports the TSS with the armistice line as the border? Is he suggesting that Israel shouldn’t get the best deal possible from Trump for fear of alienating the DP? Is he suggesting that the DP would punish Israel for doing so if and when it gets back into power?
Israel has not left the DP so much as the Party has left, in fact abandoned, Israel. Just what does keeping it a bipartisan issue mean in practice?
In his ad hominem attack on me – he calls me a dybbuk – Robert Sklaroff tells me to stop “declar[ing] that [I] support Israel.” His reason for attacking me is that I want support for Israel to remain a bi-partisan issue in American politics.
A simple fact-check of Sklaroff’s defamatory statements would demonstrate that virtually every one of his accusations is a malicious lie, as I will now show.
He claims that I place my loyalty to “progressives” above “fealty to Israel and world Jewry.” He says that because he ignorantly ignores what I have been writing for years. If he had simply opened my most recent book, Electile Dysfunction, he would see that I have taken the exact opposite position. I rail against the so-called “progressive” wing of the Democratic Party, who I call the repressives: [These quote progressives] “are often not the progressive “good guys” whom I looked up to in my youth; they are repressive bullies and bigots who disguise their anti-Jewish, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, and anti-American bigotry as a quest for social justice.
They must be fought – on campuses, at Democratic Party caucuses and conventions, and in the media – with the same righteous indignation with which decent people fight extreme right-wing manifestations of bigotry.”
Sklaroff mendaciously claims that in my talk to the ZOA, I argue that “a Trump presidency was illegitimate.” Nothing could be further from the truth as a review of my videotaped talk will prove. What I said was that support for Israel must remain bipartisan, and that we must never allow support for Israel to become “a referendum” in a national election.
In order to emphasize that important point – a point with which all Israeli leaders agree – I pointed out that if only one Party supported Israel, as is the case with many European countries, that party could lose a national election, as illustrate by the closeness of this election, in which Clinton won the popular vote and Trump the electoral vote. That is a fact, not a “talking point.” Under our Constitution, Trump is the legitimately elected president, and I immediately offered my assistance to him with regard to Israel, as I have to every president, regardless of party.
Sklaroff ridiculously suggests that I “ignored the fact that a truly non-partisan stance requires Democrats to increase support for Israel and for combatting anti-Jewish agitation.” Can Sklaroff really be that ignorant or blind to reality? Does he not know that I spend my life trying to push the Democrats in that direction? Has he not read my articles opposing Keith Ellison to head the Democratic National Committee? Again, from my recent book: “Oh, how things have changed over the past half century! The Democratic Party has been pushed farther left by the growing influence of radical activist organizations such as MoveOn, Occupy Wall Street, Code Pink, the National Lawyers Guild, and Black Lives Matter, as well as by leftward pressure from young voters, especially university students. This was manifested during the 2016 primary season by the surprising success of Bernie Sanders and the leftward push his voters gave Hillary Clinton.”
Sklaroff also criticizes me for attacking the anti-Semitism of the hard-right, and he apparently apologizes for such virulent right-wing Jew-Haters as Pat Buchanan and what he calls “self-marginalized white-supremacists.” He complained that I think Jew-haters and Israel bashers from the alt-right are as dangerous and violent as those from the hard-left. Unlike Sklaroff, I do not give a pass to Jew Haters on my side of the political spectrum. I attack with equal vigor, the bigots of the hard-left and hard-right.
At bottom Sklaroff’s real grievances with me is that I do not support his radical one-state solution that would require annexation of the entire west Bank and the expulsion or political subjugation of its Arab population. His Kahane-like solution is rejected by the vast majority of Israeli’s and American supporters of Israel. Yet Sklaroff falsely sees it as a litmus test for being considered a supporter of Israel.
Sklaroff lies about my position on the Iran deal, claiming that I “discounted any congressional effort that might be mounted to enjoin its implementation.” Had he glanced at my book: The Case Against the Iran Deal: How Can We Now Stop Iran From Getting Nukes, or my recent op-ed in the Boston Globe, he would know that I have urged Congress to authorize the President to take military action, if necessary to prevent Iran from ever developing nuclear weapons.
Sklaroff concludes with the absurd statement that “Dershowitz commits polemical malpractice when he declares that he supports Israel.”
Well, I am going to continue to support Israel. I’m going to continue to demand that support for Israel remain a bipartisan issue and that the Democratic Party reject the demands of “hard-left” progressives.
If Sklaroff has any problems with my continuing to support Israel on university campuses, in the media, and around the world, he should take it up with the democratically elected Prime Minster of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu who said the following at a recent Globus conference: “Israel has no greater champion and the truth no greater defender than Alan Dershowitz.”
But then again Sklaroff probably doesn’t believe that Netanyahu is a supporter of Israel!
@ Economist:
When did I call him an anti-semite??
Dandaman Said:
Wrong. There are three levels of international participation.[489] The levels generally reflect financial stake in the program, the amount of technology transfer and subcontracts open for bid by national companies, and the order in which countries can obtain production aircraft. The United Kingdom is the sole “Level 1” partner, contributing US$2.5 billion, which was about 10% of the planned development costs[490] under the 1995 Memorandum of Understanding that brought the UK into the project.[491] Level 2 partners are Italy, which is contributing US$1 billion; and the Netherlands, US$800 million. Level 3 partners are Turkey, US$195 million; Canada, US$160 million; Australia, US$144 million; Norway, US$122 million and Denmark, US$110 million. Israel and Singapore have joined as Security Cooperative Participants (SCP).[492][493][494] Japan announced on 20 December 2011 its intent to purchase 42 F-35s with deliveries beginning in 2016 to replace the F-4 Phantom II; Japan seeks 38 F-35s, to be assembled domestically.[495]
@ Economist:
Obsolete argument at best – as are all theories of Israeli dependence on the USA in 2016. In many cases, it’s exactly the opposite. Without an early Israeli commitment to buy the F35, the plane might not have been built.
Lessons of Suez applies to Israel going without the US. Even with the support of Britain and France in a joint effort with Israel, the US forced Israel to stop the push on the Suez Canal. This was a contemporaneous event for me.@ yamit82:
Economist Said:
Can you backup your statement with fact???
Huh??? You need to put meat on your bone…. Don’t know what you are trying to say here?
Polls also said that Hillary would win in a landslide. Don’t believe obsolete or inaccurate polls as the state of American Jewry after the election.@ watsa46:
Many Dems think they are right and we are wrong; not mendacious. Goes back to the liberal error that humans are inherently good if “we could just get along”@ Sebastien Zorn:
yamit82 Said:
The so called “peace process” is a war of the West and Muslims against IL and IRAN and no one else is at WAR with IL and the US!
So the liberal Jews are twice in the WRONG!!!
It is a habit.
@ Economist:
Troll?! I post here often and have for years. Can’t say the same of you. No, you’re the one who fits the description.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Correction: I meant, “He is willing to fight an open anti-semite like Ellison but still promotes the demographic bomb canard and so supports TSS.”
When he talks about Trump or Obama, he’s as stupid or mendacious as any other Dem. And while he does stand up against the mainstream anti-semitism in the Dem party he sets up a straw man and then knocks it down with regard to Republicans to whip up hysteria. He complains about being booed. [I agree that the offices of Prime Minister and President deserve the respect of decorum.] While I agree that the audience should remain quiet until the end of a debate, I would like to see an example of him shushing people who applaud him and boo his opponents before I will sympathize with him.
Alan Dershowitz vs. Caroline Glick: To Boo or Not to Boo
But, I wish I could find some debate about content not procedure.
https://youtu.be/9e495wg-uJY
I wasn’t consumed by rage at Obama’s personal humiliation of Bibi because I agree with everthing Bibi does or says. And I’m not a groupie or a busybody or a juror who concerns himself with the business of people he doesn’t know personally. Obama humiliated Israel’s Head of State (actual head of state, President is ceremonial mostly.) That is unacceptable. [I don’t suppose Dershowitz ever called Obama on that not to mention Secretary of State Clinton for infamously screaming at Bibi about settlements on the phone for 45 minutes AND THEN PUBLICIZING it, to add injury to insult. “Designated Yeller” was it? That alone would disqualify anybody from being elected dog catcher, forget about President. No, Dersh is a good little dem foot soldier.
I’m going to watch this now:
Alan Dershowitz vs. Meir Kahane (1985 Debate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykrwmaKrLg
He’s still recyclng the long-debunked “demographic bomb.” This article annoyingly doesn’t mention whether Glick challenged him on that. I did learn that she is advocating residency with the possibility of applying for citizenship for the Arabs not outright citizenship but that doesn’t address the concern about releasing a demented population of brainwashed homicidal maniacs into a peaceful civilian society — peaceful, that is, except for many of the Muslim Arabs already inside with citizenship. Stephen Plaut nailed it when he said there must absolutely be re-occupation and de-nazification. It will take more than one generation to de-brainwash a population, if it’s even possible. The Arabs — except for the handful of friends who mostly don’t identify as Arabs but as Christians or Druze or something else — really have to go.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/01/alan-dershowitz-and-caroline-glick-clash-on-two-state-solution/
On bipartisanship, the answer is he is willing to fight an open anti-semite like Dershowitz, he seems to still believe the canard that the TSS will keep Israel a Jewish state so he doesn’t see it as knuckling under — the educated knuckle head.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/12/06/alan-dershowitz-ellison-the-worst-possible-person-in-the-history-of-the-party-for-dems-to-pick-as-chair/
Rational statement of your position. I disagree. Americans are moving to strong support; both Jews and evangelists. As to pursuing an independent policy without the US, how soon you forget the lessons of Suez. @ yamit82:
Economist Said:
We once needed and depended on American Jewry but after 67 war peak, support from American Jewry is diminishing rather quickly. Today we have an ever growing situation where more and more American Jews are siding with our enemies against the Jewish State.
My overall views run something like this: America has no business aiding Israel. The attempts to achieve for Israel closer ties with the US are a disservice to Jewish people. America will never-ever pursue Jewish interests as they are irrelevant to US voters and establishment alike. America embargoed weapons shipments to Israel during the Independence War, threatened intervention on Egypt’s behalf in the 1956 war, had operational plans for landing its troops in Sinai to defend Egypt in 1967, barred Israel from preemption in 1973 – and only shipped Israel weapons after we won the war – forced Israel to abandon Sinai, and now pushes us into the suicidal peace process. America gives more aid to Egypt and Palestine than Israel, fought for Kuwait but never for Israel, and spent more in Iraq than the total aid to Israel since inception.
That is only natural, as we cannot expect America to care about the Jewish state. Why would the WASP establishment care, if Jews don’t? Polls indicate that American Jews overwhelmingly support the peace process and oppose war with Iran. No one hates Israel like many American Jews: they want to prove to their Gentile friends that they are not too Jewish, and so they side with Arabs. They are trying to show that Jews are exactly like others; but the Jewish state is not like other states. And so most American Jews support “democratic” Israel where Arabs enjoy equal rights with Jews: that is, the right to breed and vote the Jewish state out of existence.
The support Israel now enjoys from America is a self-delusion. The US vetoed many UN resolutions which condemned Israel. But the very likelihood of such vetoes allows other UNSC members to behave more radically: they vote pro-Left and pro-Arab, knowing that the resolution won’t pass. The US vetoes keep Israel in the UN while a stream of empty anti-Israeli resolutions would have forced Israel out of that barbarian conference, and end Israeli adherence to the UN-sponsored nonsense such as the 1956 borders. The UN failed to enforce sanctions against Iran, an international pariah; the chance of effective sanctions against Israel is infinitesimal. If Israel doesn’t follow South Africa’s path of decades-long oppression of aborigines, but ends the Arab demographic problem swiftly and ruthlessly, in a few years there would be no prospect of sanctions.
From 1948 to 1972, Israel survived while having no official sponsor. We played with France, Germany, America, even the Soviet front (Romania), and survived. Arab loyalty is non-existent and allegiance – prohibitively expensive; many countries would find it cheaper to buy regional influence by aiding Israel than the Arabs. America aids Israel to control her, and to brandish that control before Arabs extracting concessions from them. The control over Israel gives America great leverage in relations with every Arab country; aid to Israel is an excellent investment. Not only the US, but other countries, too, realize that and would ally themselves with Israel. In the show of absurd loyalty, Israel sticks to America, but America sells her at every corner – for oil.
Russia cannot give Israel much aid, but can supply advanced weapons much cheaper than America, and provide excellent support in the UN. Russia’s military credibility among Arabs is much higher than America’s; Arabs don’t hesitate terrorizing the American pawn, but would shrink from attacking Russia’s client state. And there are China and India.
Israel pays with real concessions for the fictional American support. The US needs to show the Arab clients its power over Israel, and kicks her around just for the fun of it: witness the squabble over a few dozen settlements or tiny hamlets frightfully dubbed “illegal outposts.” As if the Arab attacks on Israel from 1929 onwards have anything to do with those hamlets erected as a protest against the Oslo capitulation. American politicians sell Israel to placate Arabs, such as by boosting the peace process after the Iraqi debacle. The Carter-Rice-Clinton and Obama ilk uses Israel to vindicate their silly theories. If not for US pressure, Israeli governments wouldn’t even think of giving the Arabs Judea and Samaria and partitioning Jerusalem.
Incidentally, our tactical goals partially agree with a major aim of American anti-Semites: divestment from Israel. For utterly different reasons we, too believe that Israel must abandon the US aid and live on her own. Financial responsibility would signify the return to Israel’s fundamental political doctrine: Only the IDF is responsible for Israel’s safety.Israel doesn’t need Star Wars weapons to extinguish Palestinian terrorism; good old napalm would do. Israel need not cutting-edge weapons against regular Arab armies: nuclear bombs are good enough.
Rough, self-reliant, arrogant Israel has a good chance for a lasting armistice with neighboring Arabs. Israel the American client has no chance for lasting peace.
We have already tried relying on Assyria.
@ Ted Belman:
I would say that the decision may be linked, at the very least, to Israel moving ALL of our government offices now in the Kiriah and about town in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
@ Ted Belman:
Let’s assume he does move embassy to Jerusalem…. The question then comes to my mind knowing Trump is what will Israel have to give up??? Remember that everything about Trump and Trumpism is about the deal… everything is a deal with him.
Dershowitz also predicted that Trump wont move embassy.
You are sadly mistaken if you think you don’t need American Jews. On several occasions they prevented an existential disaster for Israel. Of course Israel also plays a big role on regional stability; if it were not a two way street Congress would not vote the massive funds that provide military superiority to Israel, nor prevent international actions that would produce trade disasters for Israel. When I was Chief Economist of a major international oil company I played a key role in preventing one disaster after being alerted by Teddy Kollek when he asked me to his office in Jerusalem.@ yamit82:
@ Dandaman:
I suggest to let the fellow cook on his own sauce. There is nothing there at all. And… while at it, Mr. Dershowitz’s has robustly earned the retributions. So will everyone else in that circuit.
Dandaman Said:
Troll.
@ Economist:
As it turns out, you are a double-talker at best.
@ Economist:
I supported Trump because I believed he could beat Clinton and that was my only real expectation… Beyond that I have no expectation Trump can produce a fraction of what he promised nor do I believe he was serious when he made those promises…. Weather in the end he will be good for the Jews remains to be demonstrated but not holding my breath…. You know and I know massive American and global debt will eventually bring down the whole ponzi system….trillions in worthless derivatives alone is a ticking time bomb. Youth unemployment in Europe and the states is growing as is poverty….Trump needs massive economic expansion and job creation quick he understands I think the problem but I think solution is now beyond him and congress will not be all that cooperative. I don’t see American Jews massively moving to Trump and if a higher number are moving towards his demagoguery fine why not they bought the democrat horse shit since FDR another mega Jew hater. I expect at best Trump to be good for America and not Israel…. IMO best thing Trump can do for Israel is to do nothing just cut us loose.
You don’t yet seem to get it we don’t need American Jews but American Jews need us even if they don’t know it yet… American Jews still allied to Anti Israel and anti Jewish leaders and political parties like the Democratic party has nothing to offer us to our benefit… they are now our enemy in many ways… Most Israelis seem to have acknowledged this major shift…..
Nice collection of anti-Dershowitz spewing and sliming while he continues to teach law quietly at Harvard, immune to the vitriol. Most of the notoriety is press-caused rather than Dershowitz-caused. It is useless to beat this particular dead horse while American Jews are strongly moving to populism and Trump. Instead one might, with profit, support such a movement.
Israeli vitriol will not fall on fertile soil in a rationalist Trump administration; to the contrary it reinforces the notion among Democrat legislators that Israelis are intransigently irrational. ( I know; SOME Israelis, but that’s not how it will be portrayed.)@ yamit82:
@ Economist:
Eli Wiesel once remarked when asked why he never immigrated to Israel and he answered ” Because the idea was more beautiful and perfect than the reality” Dershowitz likewise is a supporter of Israel but only an Israel that behaves and falls in lock step with his own values and world view. We know what they are and they are not Jewish values but American liberalism ala Jefferson and Locke, and other progressive and left leaning intellectuals… Were Israel to be rules or administered by real Jewish Nationalists he would oppose Israel and quite ferociously at that . Soooo the best one can say about Douche-bag Dersh is that he is a supporter of a certain kind of Israel and if we do not live up to his idealized version of Israel he would not be a supporter. Probably become a vocal opponent.
He has supported Hussein and Rotten Clinton both Jew haters and and both America haters. In my mind there is a difference between dumb Jews who voted for Hussein and Rotten Clinton more from habit and social pressure than one like douche-bag Dershowitz who knows better and lies to everyone and maybe himself why it was a good idea to vote for Jew hating Hussein twice and mega criminal and Jew hating Rotten Clinton. The Iran deal should have sealed it for him and all of the disclosures should have influenced attorney professor Derhowitz but Israel is not so important and his continued supporting 2 mega Jew haters is beyond comprehension for any informed reasonable observer….. He has an overriding agenda called “Dershowitz uber alles”.
He has not changed an iota in 40 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mfnsRA2EEw&list=PLB4375E9BFDE85AD6
“KMA”, he reasoned. ?@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
“Many Jews have awakened to the bankruptcy of Democrat policies, abandoned the formerly center liberal Democrat party of their grandfathers, and voted for Trump.”
So what’s your problem, Mate?
@ Economist:
Hey! I was going to tell you to KMA but there were others more qualified than you, also at that. Mr. Dershowitz robustly earned every bit of scorn, derision being lumped at him by a vast majority of normal Jews. I ask you to please let him enjoy his triumph… :)Then again, you would be an exception, of course.
Dandaman Said:
Many Jews have awakened to the bankruptcy of Democrat policies, abandoned the formerly center liberal Democrat party of their grandfathers, and voted for Trump. They aren’t going back. Jews for Trump is real and has many adherents. It is not lost that all Trump’s kids have either married Jewish women or in the case of Ivanka, converted to orthodoxy, and all the grandchildren are Jews (except for Trump’s son Barron who is too young to choose). Gives a whole new meaning to: next year, Chanukah in the White House.
If it’s any consolation, more Jews have Dershowitz pegged than I would have thought before this reaction on Israpundit.
It is logical error to argue that condemning hate of, say, Muslims implies one is a Muslim-lover. I leave the rest of your remarks for analysis by others.@ Edgar G.:
Another ad hominem spew against Dershowitz. He is entitled to his views, shared by some Israelis. You are entitled to disagree but not to curse him. Proto-fascists are always trying to deny the free speech of those who disagree.@ woolymammoth:
In demanding that Dershowitz come up with new directions for Israel’s future you are holding him to an impossible standard not even most Israeli politicians and academics can meet. Anyway, as an American it’s not his job, it’s Israeli’s.@ Bear Klein:
Dershowitz: Shmuel’s intemperate ad hominem attacks, irrelevant to substance. Strutting and posturing indeed. It would seem Shmuel sees those who disagree with him as fair game for demonizing, if he had a thousandth of Dershowitz’s accomplishments in support of Israel he’d be lucky,@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
@ bernard ross:
But any level headed Jew would think as I do, because of the way he jumps into the public eye at every opportunity, -nay, he even makes non-existent opportunities. But we have to accept the indisputable fact that the large majority of American Jews is “going, going, (almost) gone”, at least on an irreversible downward slope. It would take some sort of cataclysm to wean them off the Demo teat.
Here I’m put to recall a comment of Meinertzhagen about Lawrence (of Arabia) and slightly paraphrased it is “he has an uncommon habit of backing into the limelight”… which perfectly describes Dershowitx, except that he pushes his way in to the front, and immediately grabs headlines by his excellent command of rhetoric…..omitting the parts that he wants to ignore, and hopes everyone else ignores too. He sees himself as a (maybe THE) Jewish Leader.
I’m not American and I never heard of him until a little while before the Simpson trial, into which I have the idea that he pushed himself, by offering his services, and not actually called in by the defence beforehand. It was a long time ago and I could be wrong, but if I’m right, it’s exactly in line with his character.
As I suggested under the Sklaroff article, The Most Intelligent Worm Dershowitz with his nuanced politics was just prepping for a political appointment, probably to The Supreme Court. He must be hoping the election results get overturned, because, his chances are in the waste treatment plant being consumed by Rotifers. This prostitute is finished, although he does not realize it yet.
Edgar G. Said:
However, what he says has become dangerous to Jews… he says and advised Jews to vote for the party whose voters and supporters are directly responsible for the most massive increase in anti semitism in decades…. most of this increase in anti semitism occuring over the last 8 years under the Democratic party admin…. Dersh says Jews should vote for the proven nazis.
How can Israel be prosecuted by the ICC if it is not a member. Has not the ICC handed down previous decisions denying jurisdiction because of this…..
these sort of Jews I find really disappointing. I dont know if he operates in ignorance on the issues or simply pushing his political agenda.
I see nothing from Dershowitz on the euro illegal settlement building in Judea Samaria of muslim arab homes, the same with the direct illegal building of arabs facilitated by NGO’s. Jews build illegally because their gov has illegally obstructed Jewish building in YS. Doesn’t Dershowitz not know that the whole legal basis of the existence of the modern state of Israel lies in the LON mandate which recognizes the Jewish right to immigrate to and settle in their historic homeland? Is Dersh not aware that the same international law of the mandate instructs and obligates all signatories and guarantors of those treaties to “facilitate and encourage the immigration and settlement of world Jewry” in the homeland without restriction west of the JOrdan river.
Doesnt Dersh notice that when a euro or american leader speaks of jews settling in Judea Samaria as being illegal or illegitimate they are speaking slander and writing libel?
Doesnt Dersh know that this brouhaha of private pal land is a red herring to distract from illegality of preventing Jews from settling on the non private lands as mandated?
Is the Dersh aware that the determination of the lands being owned by pals is based on questionable Jordanian law, the law of an unrecognized occupier… and that the determination does not coincide with the usual western law…. that in many cases the land is not truly pal owned?
Dersh comes to cajole Jews with a double standard.. telling them to fear the foreigners and their anti semitic hypocrisy and double standareds in trying to prevent jews from settling YS.
I would have thought a Jewish lawyer would have seen the travesties that the world and even the GOI have visited on the Jews. That the Dersh would have fought against the libels of Jewish illegality and illegitimacy in YS. This little brouhaha is merely a red herring cover up trying to make the real problem just a problem of private landtaking whereas the real problem is that no settlement is going on for jews in Judea Samaria outside the designated ghetto boundaries of the major blocks…. and that this is in flagrant violation of the entire mandate…calling jewish settlement in judea samaria illegal and illegitimate is similar to the blood libels of the middle ages… from those libels jewish blood has been spilled then and now.
Dershowitz needs to read up on the real international law rather than simply parroting the anti semitic narratives of international law. There is no greater legal directive pertaining to the lands of the mandate territory than the immigration and settlement of Jews.
Dersh, dont be fooled by them trying to make this a private land issue.. the real issue is all the other lands which is not private from which Jews are verboten to settle. read the mandate…see its’ prime directive. Instead of propagating the narratives of the anti semites and jewish revisionists Dersh should become a champion of the legal rights of Jews to immigrate and settle in ALL of YS.
They have taken the GC, which applies to nations settling their nationals, to obfuscate the issue. Although it is still legal and legitimate for Israel to settle its jewish nationals under the mandate… what would they say if Israel, without annexing, undertook to fulfill the mandate law in YS by settling diaspora jews there as mandated, who are not Israeli citizens?
Jewish lawyers should seek to redress the anti semitism and double standards which act as a lynch mob of blood libelers. My view is that Israel as the administrator of the territories has a legal obligation to continue to fulfill the mandate directive to settle Jews in YS just as Britain and Jordan were so obligated. This has nothing to do with whether Israel desires or does not desire to annex the area… this is a derivative right of world Jewry and their legal interest in that land.
Furthermore, my view is also that the principles of affirmative action apply here in that the rights of world Jewry to settle have been obstructed for decades by Britain, Jordan and the GOI. That in order to redress and mitigate the damage resulting therefrom, the GOI should undertake to bring large groups of diaspora world Jewry and, like the US Homestead Acts of the 1800’s, give free land grants of the vacant and gov lands so as to restore those rights as soon as possible.
@ Ted Belman:
So he hates Bannon because Bannon hates women and muslims. So can we take it that Dershowitz is a women and Muslim lover…eh? He’d cut an assertion like that to ribbons….in a court… Although he sees no evidence that Bannon is an Anti-Semite, that does not mean that he is absolving him from that…… a man he hates. He should explain why he loves MUslims…..if he does…which I doubt. Maybe only if they’re Democrats…
It sees to me from reading the article that Dershowitz is very eager to have his critics read his books, where he obliquely makes reference to some of the criticisms, valid I say, with a few minor hyperboles. Dershowitz’ public record shows that Sklaroff is right.
Dershowis is an unabashed, fervent Democrat, supports Obama and Clinton both Jew haters extreme, so that Dershowitz himself loves Jews means nothing in the big picture, because Clinton and Obama have done tremendous damage to Jews and Israel during their terms pf power and beyond, without any protests from Dersh. (except maybe in one of his books) What difference has Dershowitz made to THAT….none…LESS than none.
But his knee-jerk support of them implies support of their policies too. I don’t hear him speaking out and denouncing them, this faithful Jew. All he says is buy one, two three, and more of my books and you’ll see (hidden in obfuscating language) a brief mention of such as to cover his tucchas
I’ve always thought Dershowitz a publicity seeking phony ever since the Simpson case, and I pay little heed to anything he says. ….More and more he has been trying to push himself into the forefront of Jewish machers, who -with their mouths- stand for the Jewish People, self appointed, and not a leader of a Major Jewish Organisation.
He is more of a headline grabber.
I’m afraid that I didn’t put this post together too well, but I wrote as thoughts occurred and have no time to otherwise textually scrutinise.
Just an explanation of it’s looseness.
Two major problems for Israel : western antisemitism and SuShi Islamofascism!
It is interesting for me to observe the logic of these american liberal jews. Dershowitz has noticed perhaps that the party he supports, the party that he advises Jews to vote for… has facilitated in the past 8 years a massive increase in anti semitism in all institutions of the nation. Jewish children are being attacked and abused in schools and universities, Jews are being mobbed and attacked on the street by “knockout” gangs,….. all of these massive increases in terror against jews are 100% perpetrated by those who support and vote for the democratic party. I have seen no GOP or trump mobs in knockout gangs, I have seen no GOP or trump attacks on Jewish children in schools and universities, I have seen no GOP or trump mob attacks on meetings of Jews and speeches of Jews…. ALL of the current past 8 years of moblike attacks on Jews come from those who support and vote for the democratic party.
From my perspective, those Jews who advised other Jews to vote for the democratic party are like Jews in nazi europe advising Jews to vote for the nazi party. By supporting the democratic party and encouraging other jews to vote for the democrats Dershowitz is giving credibility and authentication to their anti semitic behavior. Dershowitz gives succor and advises support for the party who has allowed the most massive increases in anti semitism in the US that I have witnessed since the 1950’s…. and it is all coming from the democratic party voters and supporters.
It is a ludicrous argument that he votes for and supports the party who is chock full of leftist and muslim anti semites in order to try to make it less anti semitic. Imagine a Jew in the 1930’s saying that he supports the nazi party in spite of their attacks on Jews because he wants to make the behavior of the nazi party less anti semitic. Dershowitz is a purveyor of words but his party is facilitating physical attacks. His party libels trump with their own crimes of nazism and anti semitism as an Orwellian doublespeak red herring to cover up their own. The greatest PROVEN danger to Jews today in the USA is the leftist muslim alliance which almost got elected due to the efforts of Jews like Dershowitz.
Perhaps Dershowitz should remember it is no longer 1992, and in 2017, focus his legal tactics on Soros, the funding behind the ‘radical activist organizations’ he claims are pushing the Dems left:
@ Bear Klein:
He has the ability to express himself very well. Nevertheless I wasn’t buying what he was selling.
He said that he is a close personal friend of Hillary Clinton and has been for decades. But she was a flawed candidate.
The secret of Dershowitz’s success is that he knows how to pick dumb juries. As we see today that’s easy to do among a large segment of the Jewish community.
@ ArnoldHarris:
Enjoy the 1/2 while you can. My father died 9 days before his 87th birthday (of Alzheimer’s, my mom at 92 1/2 is still going strong) but his obituary said he was only 86. Apparently, you age a year all at once on your next birthday. Only makes sense for purposes of carding for cigarettes and alcohol, eligibility for social security or running for President, since there has to be a uniform cut-off somewhere. But, not for remembering a person’s life. Did you see:
http://forward.com/news/351102/meet-gina-zuckerman-the-90-year-old-holocaust-survivor-who-beat-off-a-mugge/
World’s oldest man to celebrate Bar Mitzvah at 113
Bryony Jones is a journalist at CNN International in London.
By Bryony Jones and Amir Tal, CNN
Updated 5:34 AM ET, Sun September 18, 2016
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/16/middleeast/worlds-oldest-man-bar-mitzvah/
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/12/09/kirk-douglas-celebrates-100th-birthday.html
Ted said the following,
Perhaps you are too kind. How can one be brilliant if one sees only problems but does not even come with new directions to explore to better Israels future. He speaks very very well, is quite full of himself and believes he is superior. That is his issue if not in his wheelhouse of believes then the other is a radical fool. His ideas about Israel and Obama have failed the test of time.
I attended a dialogue today between Dore Gold and Alan Dershowitz. There were about 300 attendees in the audience including everybody from the JCPA and other important intellectuals.
Dershowitz was brilliant and entertaining. I expect it will become available in video within a couple of days. I will post it. Bottom line was that we can’t negotiate a two state solution and nothing else will do. There was no talk about alternatives.
He said that Obama will go down in history as one of the best presidents on domestic policy because of thiongs like Obamacare and one of the worst Presidents in foreign policy because of the mess he is leaving behind.
He attacked Trump for his populism and said he has no idea what Trump will do. He hates Bannon though argues there is no evidence to label him an antisemite. He said Bannon hates women and Muslims.
You will have to wait for the video for the rest.
Anyone who tells the truth about that phony Harvard liberal can’t be all bad. I don’t deny Dershowitz “defends Israel,” but there’s a catch. The Israel he advocates for won’t last a week in the Muslim Middle East.
I have spent most of my 82-1/2 years as an American Jew ignoring the opinions of liberals such as Alan Dershowitz; politely, when possible.
As for Netanyahu, he is your prime minister, not ours. So you folks in Eretz Yisrael have sole responsibility for either removing him from high office, or suffering under his misrule.
Most Jews talk and write in favor of democracy at all costs. I never ever do that, for reasons too obvious to require explanation.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
Mr. Dershowitz in not an Israeli Citizen and therefore his wants or not are irrelevant if not insulting to us that pick up the rifles while he is in Harvard strutting about. His meanderings on stage and well trained attorney body language projection are fascinating to watch… from the distance. And as long as his struttings do not endanger us or our families.
This is the bottom line.
He is a democratic party??? active member and a solid supporter of Mr. Hussein el Barrack bin Obama and worked, as far as I know, on behalf of Clinton, both virulent antagonists of ours. We hear that he is not averse to be in contact with uJstreet as well.
So he understands some facts. Most of us could care less what his political aggregate, formerly known as a party, want us to do to satisfy them.
As to despising Netanyahu.
That liar, deceiving conniver is anathema to Eretz Israel. He is a two faced people user, a stage trained empty speechster. That person allocated rights to his AG, Weinstein, to order torture of illegally detained Jewish suspects.
At this precise moment his shock troopers are about to perform again a Pogrom against 40 Jewish families in Amona. That disgraceful stain may appeal to the likes of professor Dershowitz all right.