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  1. @Reader Correction, ’70s

    “For Sartre, the question of Palestine could no longer be avoided after the independence of Algeria in 1962. Torn between his political convictions and his “emotional determination”, Sartre chose the middle ground – an ambivalent stance he maintained in a convoluted and often contradictory manner… ”

    “On the one hand, he consistently condemned the living conditions of Palestinian refugees and championed the right of return; on the other, he supported the existence of Israel as a sovereign state. These efforts to remain “neutral” entailed an intellectual crisis….”

    “From the 1970s onwards, with the intensification and export of the Palestinian struggle in Europe, the opinions of left-wing intellectuals on Israel underwent a spectacular reversal. Sartre would even go so far as to support suicide attacks…”

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/jean-paul-sartre-and-palestine

  2. @Reader They perceive our Achille’s heel. We want to be liked. In 1944, Stalin believed he could get Western support by pretending to be philo-semitic because, an antisemite himself, he believed that the Jews controlled America, and the rest of the left followed suit. Sartre was pro-pal in the 60s.

  3. @Reader Well, that’s one kind. Rightwing antisemites tend to be like that. Leftwing antisemites often have likeminded Jewish friends or even spouses. These are the more common variety around here. They come up to Jews in a friendly way and try to turn us against our own people.

  4. The best definition of antisemitism comes from Jean-Paul Sartre in his 1944 book Anti-Semite and Jew (emphasis mine):

    I refuse to characterize as opinion a doctrine that is aimed directly at particular persons and that seeks to suppress their rights or to exterminate them.

    The Jew whom the anti-Semite wishes to lay hands upon is not a schematic being defined solely by his function, as under administrative law; or by his status or his acts, as under the Code. He is a Jew, the son of Jews, recognizable by his physique, by the colour of his hair, by his clothing perhaps, and, so they say, by his character. Anti-Semitism does not fall within the category of ideas protected by the right of free opinion.

    Indeed, it is something quite other than an idea. It is first of all a passion. No doubt it can be set forth in the form of a theoretical proposition.

    The “moderate” anti-Semite is a courteous man who will tell you quietly: “Personally, I do not detest the Jews. I simply find it preferable, for various reasons, that they should play a lesser part in the activity of the nation.” But a moment later, if you have gained his confidence, he will add with more abandon: “You see, there must be something about the Jews; they upset me physically.”

    This argument, which I have heard a hundred times, is worth examining. First of all, it derives from the logic of
    passion.

    For, really now, can we imagine anyone’s saying
    seriously: “There must be something about tomatoes, for I
    have a horror of eating them”? In addition, it shows us that anti-Semitism in its most temperate and most evolved forms remains a syncretic whole which may be expressed by statements of reasonable tenor, but which can involve even bodily modifications.

    Some men are suddenly struck with impotence if they learn from the woman with whom they are making love that she is a Jewess.

    There is a disgust for the Jew, just as there is a disgust for the Chinese or the Negro among certain people. Thus it is not from the body that the sense of repulsion arises, since one may love a Jewess very well if one does not know what her race is; rather it is something that enters the body from the mind.

    It is an involvement of the mind, but one so deep-seated and complete that it extends to the physiological realm, as happens in cases of hysteria.
    This involvement is not caused by experience.

    I have questioned a hundred people on the reasons for their anti-Semitism. … If the Jew did not exist, the anti-Semite would invent him. …It has become evident that no external factor can induce anti-Semitism in the anti-Semite. Anti-Semitism is a free and total choice of oneself…“

  6. LeBron James, who had called his former teammate’s actions hurtful, tweeted on Thursday that Irving should be playing.

    James is the second player to call the steps Irving must take to return excessive.

    https://www.insider.com/lebron-james-kyrie-irving-nets-suspension-punishment-too-severe-2022-11

    Should Roseanne Barr get her show back? I wonder how James would feel about that? And unlike Irving, she apologized and unlike Whoopie Goldberg, Jessie Jackson, and Mel Gibson, she apologized but was not forgiven, and for a far more ambiguous remark. But she was the only Jew among them.

  7. @Tanna Good job. You are improving. “Disappointed with your response”, though still emotional, is definitely a step up from “I guess I’m now a Zornaphobe.” (Though I must confess to feeling somewhat flattered at having a whole new political term named for me. Though you do know “phobe” is a pejorative suffix as currently used outside of psychology, right?) 😀

    Keep up the good work.

  9. @Tanna

    This is not the place to have a nuanced discussion about what is and is not Antisemitism/Antisemite.

    . Really? Why not? This debate began when you challenged me to define antisemitism. And let’s put our filters on and keep this polite shall we? Ad hominem attacks discredit only you and anything you have to say. Remember, “Wars should be civil”. 😀

    Or I shall be forced to follow Mark Twain’s sage advice:

    1) “Never Argue With a Fool, Onlookers May Not Be Able To Tell the Difference”

    2) “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

    😀

  10. @Tanna

    just because you point out a person, group, country or state’s character flaws is not the same as HATE!!!

    The IHRA Working Definition explicitly acknowledges that. You’re the one who isn’t bothering to read what I post. You are engaging in psychological projection.

    It’s clear you haven’t bothered to read it but havve only read the pro-Pal misrepresentations of it. Are you pro-Palestinian?

    Here, I will spoon feed you.

    The working definition of antisemitism
    In the spirit of the Stockholm Declaration that states: “With humanity still scarred by …antisemitism and xenophobia the international community shares a solemn responsibility to fight those evils” the committee on Antisemitism and Holocaust Denial called the IHRA Plenary in Budapest 2015 to adopt the following working definition of antisemitism.

    On 26 May 2016, the Plenary in Bucharest decided to:

    Adopt the following non-legally binding working definition of antisemitism:

    “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

    To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

    Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

    Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
    Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

    Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

    Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

    https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

  11. Zorn:

    You confuse me. Do you even read all of the stuff you post? This is not the place to have a nuanced discussion about what is and is not Antisemitism/Antisemite. It can be difficult. If you read your last post about the IHIA there is a quote at the about how it restricts free speech. I seem to agree! Just because governments and the world seem to be accepting the IHIA definition does not mean it is Gospel handed down from Mt. Siani! Remember, the nations will use Jews/Israels on words to attempt to destroy them.

    My point which you seem to miss, or not want to engage in is that just because you point out a person, group, country or state’s character flaws is not the same as HATE!!!! Hate is different than criticism regardless, if the criticism is correct, wrong or even un-reasonable and unjustified. But, nobody wants to have a discussion and respect another’s viewpoint to understand where / why they are where they are. It’s easier to just label, cancel and scream Anti-semtie, racists, fascist or put …..phobe as a prefix in front of anything and by doing this you’ve elevated one side of the discussion /argument. NOT! Less state it like this. IMO, what label throwers do and accomplish in the long run is the same as a man whom every time his wife disagrees with him or gets on him about his short comings and flaws responds with “bitch, bitch, bitch…….. that’s all you ever do is bitch…. bitch…. bitch.

    In case you fail to understand. This shuts a conversation down. It doesn’t lead to her packing her bags and leaving……. It takes a little time till all conversation stops.

    I guess Im now an Zornaphobe………

    Hate is wrong!

    Criticisms can be constructive and lead to growth!

    Moses and Yeshua AKA Jesus both state to love your neighbor as yourself. You have to spend a lot of time getting to know oneself to love oneself. That never comes by shutting down the conversation. The same applies even more so to your neighbor!

    I would venture to say the bar is set so high that the majority of people will never love their neighbor. Most people cannot even reach the bar in the relationship with their mate.

    I could be misunderstanding you. I apologize if that is the case. But, you remind me of another person who comments here, regardless….. will not come to a different conclusion then what they have already reached.

    To parody President Richard Nixion. “I am not an antisemite or anti-Zionist.

  13. @Peloni Yup, you nailed it. She has the superficial and parochial mentality of the proverbial fishwife. Her friends are her world and she’s otherwise insensitive. Can you imagine her in public office?

    “Candace Owens admits Ye’s comments were anti-Semitic, says she stands by Jewish friends
    “I’m standing by Ye as he weathers this tremendous storm. But I also recognize that I need to make it abundantly clear that I’m standing by Dennis Prager as well, and all of my other Jewish friends,” Owens wrote…”

    https://www.jns.org/candace-owens-admits-yes-comments-were-anti-semitic-says-she-stands-by-jewish-friends/

  14. @Tanna This how the Left smeared President Trump and Israel for adopting the IHRA Working definition of antisemitism – which is gradually being adopted all over the country and the world – by executive order after every Dem voted to kill it as legislation.

    “The Real Purpose of Trump’s Executive Order on Anti-Semitism
    By Masha Gessen”
    December 12, 2019

    “The President’s new order will not protect anyone against anti-Semitism, and it’s not intended to. Its sole aim is to quash the defense—and even the discussion—of Palestinian rights.Photograph by Brendan Smialowski / AFP / Getty

    ‘Donald Trump has a knack for taking some of humanity’s most problematic ideas and turning them on their head to make them even worse. He has done it again. On Wednesday, he signed an executive order that will allow federal funds to be withheld from colleges where students are not protected from anti-Semitism—using an absurdly defined version of what constitutes anti-Semitism. Recent precedent and the history of legislative efforts that preceded the executive order would suggest that its main targets are campus groups critical of Israeli policies. What the order itself did not make explicit, the President’s son-in-law did: on Wednesday, Jared Kushner published an Op-Ed in the Times in which he stressed that the definition of anti-Semitism used in the executive order “makes clear what our administration has stated publicly on the record: Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.”

    ‘Both Kushner and the executive order refer to the definition of anti-Semitism that was formulated, in 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance; it has since been adopted by the State Department. The definition supplies examples of anti-Semitism, and Kushner cited the most problematic of these as the most important: “the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity”; denial to “the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor”; and comparing “contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.” All three examples perform the same sleight of hand: they reframe opposition to or criticism of Israeli policies as opposition to the state of Israel. And that, says Kushner, is anti-Semitism.

    ‘To be sure, some people who are critical of Israeli policies are opposed to the existence of the state of Israel itself. And some of those people are also anti-Semites. I am intimately familiar with this brand of anti-Semitism, because I grew up in the Soviet Union, where anti-Zionist rhetoric served as the propaganda backbone of state anti-Semitism. The word “Zionist,” when deployed by Pravda, served as incitement to violence and discrimination against Soviet Jews. All of this can be true at the same time that it is also true that Israel has effectively created an apartheid state, in which some Palestinians have some political rights and the rest have none. Human-rights organizations such as Breaking the Silence and B’Tselem—Israeli groups, founded and run by Jews—continue to document harrowing abuse of Palestinians in Israel, the occupied West Bank, and Gaza.

    ‘In August, I went on a tour designed by Breaking the Silence that aims to show Israelis and foreigners what the occupation looks like. This particular tour ended in a Palestinian village which has been largely overtaken by an Israeli settlement that is illegal under international law. One of the Palestinian houses ended up on territory claimed by the settlers, so the settlers built a chain-link cage around the house, the yard, and the driveway. A young Palestinian child, who is growing up in a house inside a cage, waved to us through the fencing. Comparing this sort of approach to Nazi policies may not make for the most useful argument, but it is certainly not outlandish. The memory of the Holocaust stands as a warning to humanity about the dangers of dehumanizing the other—and invoking that warning in Palestine is warranted.

    ‘One does not have to be an anti-Semite to be an anti-Zionist, but one certainly can be both an anti-Semite and an anti-Zionist. Trump, however, has inverted this formula by positioning himself as a pro-Zionist anti-Semite. He has proclaimed his support often for the state of Israel. His Administration’s policies, which have included moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and, more recently, declaring that the U.S. does not view Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal, have pleased the state of Israel, especially its most militantly expansionist citizens. Over the weekend, however, at the Israeli American Council National Summit, in Florida, Trump gave a speech that brimmed with Jewish stereotypes: Jews and greed, Jews and money, Jews as ruthless wheeler-dealers. “A lot of you are in the real estate business because I know you very well,” he said.

    ‘You’re brutal killers, not nice people at all.” It was the kind of stuff that requires no definitions, op-eds, or explanations—it was plain, easily recognizable anti-Semitism. And it was not the first time that Trump trafficked in anti-Semitic stereotypes. The world view behind these stereotypes, combined with support for Israel, is also recognizable. To Trump, Jews—including American Jews, some of whom vote for him—are alien beings whom he associates with the state of Israel. He finds these alien beings at once distasteful and worthy of a sort of admiration, perhaps because he ascribes to them many of the features that he also recognizes in himself.

    ‘It should come as no surprise that anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. increased by sixty per cent during the first year of Trump’s Presidency, according to the Anti-Defamation League. The current year is on track to set a record for the number of anti-Semitic attacks. The latest appears to have occurred on Tuesday, when shooters reportedly connected to a fringe group targeted a kosher supermarket in Jersey City, killing four people.

    ‘The new executive order will not protect anyone against anti-Semitism, and it’s not intended to. Its sole aim is to quash the defense—and even the discussion—of Palestinian rights. Its victim will be free speech.”

    Masha Gessen became a staff writer at The New Yorker in 2017. Their latest book is “Surviving Autocracy.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-real-purpose-of-trumps-executive-order-on-anti-semitism

  17. @Honeybee Even now, the ADL aeems to be a mixed bag. Isn’t this good? From today’s “paper.”

    Anti-Defamation League Purchasing Leading Jewish Investment Group

    “The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) will purchase JLens, a group that provides financial advice to Jewish investors.

    ADL announced the move on Thursday, describing it as an effort to “expand” activities aimed at preventing providers of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) ratings — which encourage socially conscious investment strategies — from discriminating against Israeli companies and those that do business with Israel…”

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/11/10/anti-defamation-league-purchasing-leading-jewish-investment-group/

  18. University of Texas Considers Resolution Banning Kanye West Music From Sports Events

    The student government of the University of Texas at Austin (UTSG) has unanimously approved a resolution banning Kanye West’s music from sports events on campus, according to the The Daily Texan, a campus daily.

    Passed on November 1, the resolution has followed weeks of antisemitic remarks from West in which he has denigrated Judaism, Zionism, and Israel. The resolution will now be assessed by the university administration, which will decide whether to adopt it as official policy

    The resolution was inspired by an incident in October when the words “Kanye is right about the Jews” was projected outside the football stadium during a game between the Florida Gators and Georgia Bulldogs, sophomore and UTSG member Alexander Feinstein told The Daily Texan.

    “Somebody came out, and they brought a projector in on the side of the stadium and said, ‘Kanye is right about the Jews,’” he said. “Football and sports is something that brings us all together… We should all feel safe there and we should all feel that’s a comforting place.”

    “I saw this more as an opportunity for Student Government to truly represent student voices and come together against hate speech, not just limited to antisemitism,” he added.

    An amendment denouncing numerous comments Kanye West made about the effects of progressivism on the Black community was tacked to the resolution at the last minute, the Texan said, with UTSG labeling them as “anti-Black.”

    “I do believing discussing antisemitism is very important,” UTSG member Dadrian Whittington told The Daily Texan. “I knew if we didn’t also include that Kanye has been racist to a number of other groups, that people would use that against the attempt to censor his music at the game. So, I thought (the amendment) would help the bill be stronger.”

    In March 2021, UTSG unanimously passed a resolution to adopt the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, which included a pledge to “support for better Jewish inclusion and protection” and monitor

    antisemitism on campus. At least 30 universities in the US have adopted the working definition.

    In response, the UT Palestine Solidarity Committee, working with several student government representatives, authored a resolution condemning the IHRA definition as a constraint on free speech and pro-Palestinian activism. The resolution was later withdrawn after Jewish students campaigned on its behalf.

    https://www.algemeiner.com/2022/11/09/university-of-texas-considers-resolution-banning-kanye-west-music-from-sports-events/

  20. Zorn,

    love your sense of humor. You find some really good utube clips.
    However, I think Honeybee and I both know S…. from Shineola.

    I could not find my previous comment several days ago, But I don’t think you ever answered my question about what Antisemitism was and how one could tell when they heard or witnessed it. I must assume you think the Antisemitism is when anyone says something negative to or about a Jewish person.

    Nov 7 I said, in response to D.P. article.

    Zorn why don’t you try your hand at answering the question. Label throwers cheapen the label, just as Prager said.

    calling people names is not dealing with the question or statement at hand. Criticism is not always seated in hatred.

    NBC the bastion of truth??

    I’m still waiting for a response. I will say…… you got some copy and paste skills.

  21. @Honeybee You haven’t answered.

    This is all I know.

    The Anti-Defamation League was founded by B’nai B’rith as a response to attacks on Jews; the then recent contentious conviction of Leo Frank was mentioned by Adolf Kraus when he announced the creation of ADL.[8][9]

    One of the ADL’s early campaigns occurred in the 1920s when it organized a media effort and consumer boycott against The Dearborn Independent, a publication published by American automobile industrialist Henry Ford. The publication contained virulently antisemitic articles and commented heavily on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The ADL and allied organizations pressured Ford until he issued an apology in 1927.[10]

    In 1933 the ADL moved offices to Chicago and Richard E. Gutstadt became director of national activities. With the change in leadership, the ADL shifted from Livingston’s reactive responses to antisemitic action to a much more aggressive policy.[11]

    During the 1930s, ADL, along with the American Jewish Committee, coordinated American Jewish groups across the country in monitoring the activities of the German-American Bund and its pro-Nazi, nativist allies in the United States. In many instances, these community-based defense organizations paid informants to infiltrate these groups and report on what they discovered. The longest-lived and most effective of these American Jewish resistance organizations was the Los Angeles Jewish Community Committee (LAJCC), which was backed financially by the Jewish leaders of the motion picture industry. The day-to-day operations of the LAJCC were supervised by a Jewish attorney, Leon L. Lewis. Lewis was uniquely qualified to combat the rise of Nazism in Los Angeles, having served as the first national secretary of the Anti-Defamation League in Chicago from 1925 to 1931. From 1934 to 1941, the LAJCC maintained its undercover surveillance of the German-American Bund, the Silver Shirts and dozens of other pro-Nazi, nativist groups that operated in Los Angeles. Partnering with the American Legion in Los Angeles, the LAJCC channeled eyewitness accounts of sedition onto federal authorities. Working with the ADL, Leon Lewis and the LAJCC played a strategic role in counseling the McCormack-Dickstein Committee investigation of Nazi propaganda activities in the United States (1934) and the Dies Committee investigation of “un-American activities” (1938-1940). In their final reports to Congress, both Committees found that the sudden rise in political antisemitism in the United States during the decade was due, in part, to the German government’s support of these domestic groups.[12][13]

    Paralleling its infiltration efforts, the ADL continued its attempts to reduce antisemitic caricatures in the media. Much like the NAACP, it chose a non-confrontational approach, attempting to build long-lasting relationships and avoid backlash. The ADL requested its members avoid public confrontation, instead directing them to send letters to the media and advertising companies that included antisemitic or racist references in screening copies of their books and movies. This strategy kept the campaigns out of the public eye and instead emphasized the development of a relationship with companies.[14]

    1970s
    Edit
    In 1973, Nathan Perlmutter took the role of national director, serving until his death in 1987.[15] Under the tenure of Perlmutter and his 1978-1983 co-director of interreligious affairs Yechiel Eckstein, the ADL shifted its approach to the evangelical Christian movement. Through the 60s and early 70s, the ADL had conflicted with the American Jewish Congress over their collaborations with evangelicals. Perlmutter and Eckstein changed this orientation, increasing collaborations and developing long-lasting lines of communication between the ADL and evangelical groups. This collaboration continued under the Foxman administration.[16]

    Since the 1970s, the ADL has partnered with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) field offices, sharing information learned from the monitoring of extremist groups.[17]

    In 1977 the ADL opened a headquarters in Jerusalem.[18][better source needed]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

    It seems it went off the rails and stopped devoting itself to defending Jews in 2008, the year Obama was elected.

  24. @Honeybee But you said your father taught you to despise the ADL when you were a child. The leftism is a recent thing. Since Obama minion, Jonathan Greenblatt took over. Please explain. You are a human only umans can ex-lain.

  26. @Honeybee

    Sebastien, I think I was in Middle School. My Father receive a flyer that the ADL was planning a group trip to France. He called the local president of the ADL and said, paraphrasing; “Sheldon how can you go to France considering their record during the Holocaust”.

    1) When were you in middle school and what was the ADL doing at that time?
    2) What was the ADL’s record during the Holocaust?

    I looked up the early history of the ADL and was impressed. It’s been around more than a hundred years.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League

    Or do you know something I don’t?

  27. Blumenthal had written that “White American Jews are living through a golden age of power, affluence and safety,”

    I wouldn’t call the attacks on synagogues, beating up the Jews (including the Jewish children) in New York, antisemitic graffiti, the rise of Jew hatred on the American university campuses, the BDS movement, the media bias against Israel and for the “poor, suffering Palestinians”, the government’s insistence on the TSS, the unopposed existence of NeoNazis and their ideology under the guise of “freedom of speech”, (as opposed to the flaming anticommunism), the newly elected young congresswomen openly proclaiming the stupidest antisemitic views “a golden age of power, affluence and safety”.

    Imagine if all of this was happening in Russia – you wouldn’t hear the end of it!

    On the other hand, all this “fighting against antisemitism” with the immediate punishment for the perpetrators only serves to prove to them (incorrectly) that they are right.

  28. Sebastien, I think I was in Middle School. My Father receive a flyer that the ADL was planning a group trip to France. He called the local president of the ADL and said, paraphrasing; “Sheldon how can you go to France considering their record during the Holocaust”. Shelden laugh and said,” Abe that was years ago”.
    We were never allowed to mention the ADL in my Father’s presence again!!!!!!!!!!!

    1

  31. @Honeybee

    @Honeybee

    @Honeybee

    I can vouch for there being a type of Zionist who doesn’t care what kind of society our “state” will have; I’m that person. If I were to know that the only way to a state was via socialism, or even that this would hasten it by a generation, I’d welcome it. More than that: give me a religiously Orthodox state in which I would be forced to eat gefilte fish all day long (but only if there were no other way), and I’ll take it. More even than that: make it a Yiddish-speaking state, which for me would mean the loss of all the magic in the thing—and if there’s no alternative, I’ll take that, too.

    Jabotinsky

    https://www.cfr.org/blog/parallel-thinking-two-great-men-nationalism

  34. Sebastien, I learned to dislike the ADL at my father’s knee. Prager thinks celebrities call for antisemitism for public attention. I believe he is correct in that matter. However, the collateral damage falls upon the citizen of Crown Heights

  35. Tweet
    Candace Owens

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realcandaceo

    @RealCandaceO
    I want to comment on the Israel-Palestine conflict but I don’t feel like being referred to as SUPPORTING GENOCIDE or ANTI-SEMITIC by the intellectual heavyweights on either side.

    Politics disallows for an honest discussion.

    Tweet

  36. @Ted

    In the tweet shared by Owens, Blumenthal had written that “White American Jews are living through a golden age of power, affluence and safety,” and that “Acceptance of this welcome reality threatens the entire Zionist enterprise, from lobby fronts like the ADL to the State of Israel, because Zionism relies on Jewish insecurity to justify itself.”

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-721591

    Moreover

    https://zoa.org/2022/10/10446415-zoa-condemns-candace-owens-defense-of-kanye-wests-antisemitic-death-con-3-on-jewish-people-tweet/

  37. @Sebastian

    And Owens, in doing so, came out as an Israelophobe, herself!

    No way.
    But I do think her Hitler remark was a big mistake on her part. Her defense was stupid. She should have said “I misspoke”.and apologized.

  38. @ Ted West said he wanted to go “deathcon 3” on the Jews. Suggesting he didn’t know the difference between “defcon” and “deathcon” strains credulity considering his background. His mother was a distinguished English professor and chair of the Dept. of English, Theater, and Communications at Chicago State University and later his manager. His father was a journalist. He was a child prodigy and an English major. The kid from the projects persona is an act. Fanatics have killed Jews in the name of the ideology he espouses, and recently.

    Look up Kanye West and Donda C. West in Wikipedia for his background.

    He was publicly supporting Farakhan as far back as 2015. For Owens and Prager to dismiss his ravings as minor is not a small lapse. And Owens, in doing so, came out as an Israelophobe, herself!

  39. Suggesting he didn’t know the difference between “defcon” and “deathcon” strains credulity considering his background. His mother was a distinguished English professor and chair of the Dept. of English, Theater, and Communications at Chicago State University and later his manager. His father was a journalist. He was a child prodigy and an English major. The kid from the projects persona is an act. Fanatics have killed Jews in the name of the ideology he espouses, and recently.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donda_West

  40. I think Prager’s remarks should have been more judgemental. His hesitancy in calling Kanye an antisemite is more than disappointing, it is cowardly.
    Yes Candace needs to blast Kanye for his remarks and call him an antisemite. As a friend, she should be honest with him. rather than easy with him.
    She wants cold blooded discussion as the antidote. Wrong the discussion should be hot-blooded.
    Unfortunately she is digging the hole deeper.

  41. I was quite shocked that Candice quoted the statement she shared from Blumenthal, irregardless of who made it.

    In reading the full series of Tweets, though, I do believe that her intent was to make the statement on the ADL, and she did attempt to clarify that this was her position. I suspect that she saw Blumenthal comments on the ADL and on West and Kyrie and wanted to use it as a basis of opening a dialogue.

    This being said, I am still quite disturbed by the fact that she has given this profligate antisemite access to Candace’s own audience of followers to seduce with his Jew-hatred. I am equally disturbed that she cited a terribly antisemitic statement, no matter the author or her knowledge of his nature or history, to try to stem an already well expanded litany of antisemitic statements by her good friend Ye. More than this, while trying defuse this expanding wildfire of antisemitism which is now burning its way around the country, she has, if we are to accept the best case scenario here, flummoxed it up and achieved quite the opposite effect of her intended goal, simply because she was too clumsy to consider the meaning of the full statement of what she quoted.

    Honestly, I think more than the clarification offered in Tweet box 6 is needed here. Given the fact that she is now been made well aware of who Max Blumenthal is, and had ample opportunity to comprehend exactly what she quoted and shared with her millions of fans, I do believe that it is incumbent upon her to make a greater statement acknowledging these facts and distancing herself from both Blumenthal and his antisemitic statement which she shared with her 3.2 million followers.

    In fact, she herself has advocated in a Tweet two days before she cited Blumenthal’s clearly antisemitic statement that

    Why not just have someone like Dennis Prager sit down with someone like Kyrie Irving and have a public conversation?
    Why not have Gal Gadot sit down with someone like Bella Hadid and have a public discussion?

    Name-calling does not bring anyone closer to truth or education.

    6:22 PM · Nov 3, 2022

    Given her position on such conversations, I am curious with whom Candace will be sitting down to offer a public conversation about why she promoted such a blatantly antisemitic statement, while trying to defend two individuals who have themselves clearly promoted blatantly antisemitic statements, too many to count with regards to Ye. As she is trying to have a “difficult conversation” here to bring the Jews and Black community closer together, while seeking to exculpate or explain her friend’s unabashedly antisemitic rant which has been ongoing for weeks now, I think this would be an important undertaking for Candice, herself, to book a similar conversation for herself.

  42. @Sebastien
    Sometimes I really hate Twitter, as it is almost as if people are seduced into saying too much, sharing too much or simply being too obscure as to their meaning, and all of this is taken up a level when quoting something someone else has stated.

    In any event, lets look at the full range of what Candace wrote, the full statement that Blumenthal wrote, and the reply she and her sort-of boss Shapiro traded with eachother.

    1.

    Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal

    We White American Jews are living through a golden age of power, affluence and safety

    Acceptance of this welcome reality threatens the entire Zionist enterprise, from lobby fronts like the ADL to the State of Israel, because Zionism relies on Jewish insecurity to justify itself
    5:00 PM · Nov 4, 2022
    ·Twitter Web App

    .Max Blumenthal @MaxBlumenthal

    Kyrie and Kanye do not threaten American Jews in any concrete way. Zionist pressure groups like the ADL know this, but must seek out any opportunity to justify their own existence by conjuring the specter of existential doom. Jewish paranoia and Black humiliation is the result.
    5:00 PM · Nov 4, 2022
    ·Twitter Web App

    2.
    Candace retweeted the top part and wrote :

    You are about to get into a lot of trouble for stating this.
    Reminds me of when I said something similar about the NAACP and BLM way back when.
    When you disrupt the trauma economy and call out the not-for-profits that benefit from it, you become their next target.

    8:52 AM · Nov 5, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    She then added
    3.

    We have to fix fractured relations between Jewish and black Americans. We definitely can’t do that by shutting up.

    Cancel culture breeds conspiracy. I agree with Joe Rogan that we have to have the courage to have tough conversations.

    I have love for everybody.
    9:25 AM · Nov 5, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    while retweeting the following tweet:
    4.

    MARAfan2021
    @MARAfan2021
    Replying to
    @RealCandaceO
    You are so brave for not censoring yourself despite all the antisemitism craze going on.
    9:09 AM · Nov 5, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    To which Isaac de Castro of Jewcy.com responded
    5.

    Isaac de Castro @isaacdecastrog
    Is a mainstream right-wing antizionism underway?

    Also, holy shit
    [insertion of photos of Blumenthal’s two part post quoted above]
    9:00 AM · Nov 5, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    And to which Candice added a well needed clarification of her comments thus far:
    6.

    Candace Owens
    @RealCandaceO
    Replying to
    @isaacdecastrog
    I think the ADL is like BLM and the NAACP.

    They create more antisemitism just like BLM created more racism.

    What I “liked” is his take on the ADL.

    They work only to further divide groups—in this circumstance, black & Jewish people.

    Hope that clarifies my perspective.
    12:02 PM · Nov 5, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    Now that is not the end of things, because on the following morning, Candice’s sort-of boss, Ben Shapiro, responded to Candice’s initial Blumenthal citing tweet (see above) with this:
    7.

    Ben Shapiro @benshapiro
    I think the ADL is a partisan hack organization, too. But RTing Max Blumenthal, who spends his life covering for Jew-haters and stumping for Israel’s destruction, makes the conversation significantly worse. It’s garbage.
    Image
    8:43 AM · Nov 6, 2022
    ·Twitter Web App

    To which Candace responded:
    8.

    Candace Owens @RealCandaceO
    Replying to
    @benshapiro
    I don’t know who Max Blumenthal is, but I do know that you have my number and could have informed me in earnest.
    Real relationships should trump Twitter theatre.
    Let’s set a better example going forward.
    11:36 AM · Nov 6, 2022
    ·Twitter for iPhone

    **FYI: I numbered the tweets for easy reference in my next post. Also I left the Twitter handles and time stamps for clarification of the sequence.

  43. Feb 25, 2015 — Kanye and Farrakhan are also working on a film project together. West announced he was creating a documentary about the Million Man March …

    https://allhiphop.com/news/louis-farrakhan-speaks-on-meeting-kanye-west-kim-kardashian-video/

    Kanye West joins #BlackLivesMatter protest in addition to $2 million fund for relief

    WION Web Team
    New Delhi, Delhi, india Updated: Jun 05, 2020, 05:07 PM(IST)

    https://www.wionews.com/entertainment/kanye-west-joins-blacklivesmatter-protest-in-addition-to-2-million-fund-for-relief-303625

  45. Rise in antisemitism is feared after banner saying ‘Kanye is right’ is hung over Los Angeles freeway
    A number of people raised their arms in a Nazi salute as they stood behind the banner, which was hung on a bridge over Interstate 405 on Saturday.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/banner-kanye-right-los-angeles-freeway-antisemtic-group-rcna53653

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/who-are-the-black-hebrews-the-group-linked-to-jersey-city-shooter/

    https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/11/1/who-are-the-jews-kanye-wests-rhetoric-echoes-black-hebrew-israelites-antisemitism

    https://www.investigativeproject.org/8238/monsey-attacker-praised-black-hebrew-israelite

  46. Rise in antisemitism is feared after banner saying ‘Kanye is right’ is hung over Los Angeles freeway
    A number of people raised their arms in a Nazi salute as they stood behind the banner, which was hung on a bridge over Interstate 405 on Saturday.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/banner-kanye-right-los-angeles-freeway-antisemtic-group-rcna53653

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/who-are-the-black-hebrews-the-group-linked-to-jersey-city-shooter/

    https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/11/1/who-are-the-jews-kanye-wests-rhetoric-echoes-black-hebrew-israelites-antisemitism

    https://www.investigativeproject.org/8238/monsey-attacker-praised-black-hebrew-israelite

  47. @Tanna

    Who are the Black Hebrews, the group linked to Jersey City shooter?
    Community claims to be descended from the biblical Israelites and practice certain Jewish rituals; Southern Poverty Law Center classifies some as a hate group

    By RON KAMPEAS
    11 December 2019, 11:46 pm

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/who-are-the-black-hebrews-the-group-linked-to-jersey-city-shooter/

    Monsey Attacker Praised Black Hebrew Israelite Movement

    by Patrick Dunleavy
    IPT News
    December 31, 2019

    https://www.investigativeproject.org/8238/monsey-attacker-praised-black-hebrew-israelite

    https://religionunplugged.com/news/2022/11/1/who-are-the-jews-kanye-wests-rhetoric-echoes-black-hebrew-israelites-antisemitism

  48. ADL creates ‘more antisemitism,’ divides Jews, black people -Candace Owens
    By MICHAEL STARR Published: NOVEMBER 6, 2022 13:23

    Candace Owns shared a tweet accusing the ADL of drumming up insecurity about antisemitism to further the “Zionist enterprise.”

    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) creates more antisemitism, political commentator Candace Owens said on Saturday night in the wake of the Kanye West and Kyrie Irving antisemitism scandals, sharing a tweet by an anti-Israel activist claiming that the NGO created Jewish insecurity to justify Zionism.
    “I think the ADL is like BLM [Black Lives Matter] and the NAACP [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People]. They create more antisemitism just like BLM created more racism.” wrote Owens, explaining why she shared The Grayzone News editor Max Blumenthal’s tweet. “They work only to further divide groups—in this circumstance, black and Jewish people.”

    In the tweet shared by Owens, Blumenthal had written that “White American Jews are living through a golden age of power, affluence and safety,” and that “Acceptance of this welcome reality threatens the entire Zionist enterprise, from lobby fronts like the ADL to the State of Israel, because Zionism relies on Jewish insecurity to justify itself.”
    He added that Irving and West did not threaten American Jews in any concrete way, and the result of the ADL’s attempt to justify its existence was “Jewish paranoia and Black humiliation is the result.”

    Owens warned Blumenthal that he could “get into a lot of trouble” for his statements, and that she had experienced backlash over similar statements about BLM.

    When you disrupt the trauma economy and call out the not-for-profits that benefit from it, you become their next target,” she said.

    The US political commentator further called upon Americans to “fix fractured relations between Jewish and black Americans.” She decried the cancel culture response to Irving and West.
    “I think the ADL is like BLM [Black Lives Matter] and the NAACP [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People]. They create more antisemitism just like BLM created more racism.”
    Candace Owens
    Support for Kanye West
    Owens, who has been supportive of West’s recent general political commentary, defended the rapper after a tweet in which he said he would “go death con 3 on Jewish people.”
    “If you are an honest person, you did not think this tweet was antisemitic,” she said in early October, explaining that it was unclear what he was talking about, and that it should inspire questions.

    The political commentator, who works for the Daily Wire news site helmed by Ben Shapiro, has claimed that she has experienced a field of threats in response to her support of West.
    West, who goes by the name Ye, has since expanded on his position, speaking about Jewish control of the media and other institutions. He has also come out in support of basketball player Kyrie Irving, who was lambasted for sharing a link to a documentary detailing a Jewish conspiracy to steal the heritage of black people, who the film claims are the true Jewish people.
    Irving was suspended by his team, The Brooklyn Nets, after he failed to apologize for sharing the film….

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-721591

    Max Blumenthal, close friend of Hillary Clinton, is another notorious Israelophobe, which is to say, antisemite.

    I think I’m done listening to Candace Owens.

  49. Zorn why don’t you try your hand at answering the question. Label throwers cheapen the label, just as Prager said.

    calling people names is not dealing with the question or statement at hand. Criticism is not always seated in hatred.

    NBC the bastion of truth??

  50. “Antisemitic Rapper Kanye West Paid Off Employee Who Heard Him Praise Hitler”

    “Kanye West, the antisemitic rapper who legally changed his name to Ye, paid an employee hush money to keep quiet about the times he praised Nazi mass murderer Adolf Hitler, according to a new report.”

    “NBC News’ Ben Goggin wrote: “Ye, the artist previously known as Kanye West, paid a settlement to a former employee who alleged that the rapper and designer had used antisemitic language in the workplace, according to documents reviewed by NBC News.

    “Additionally, six people who have worked with Ye or witnessed him in professional settings over the past five years told NBC News that they had heard him mention conspiracy theories about Jewish people or praise Hitler. Three of those people were former employees or collaborators and said they recalled multiple instances of Ye using antisemitic language.”

    NBC reported that three people told them West went on an antisemitic tirade in 2018, another said West has an obsession” with Nazis, and artist Ryder Ripps said the rapper discussed anti-Jewish conspiracies when they worked together.

    “With this pattern that’s happening and with the doubling and tripling down of all this, it’s pretty obvious that this is some kind of disgusting, hate-filled, strange Nazi obsession,” Ripps told Goggin.”

    https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/2135036/antisemitic-rapper-kanye-west-paid-off-employee-who-heard-him-praise-hitler.html

    Prager doesn’t seem to know the extent of it. He doesn’t take it seriously and thinks calling this influential figure an an antisemite is crying wolf and somehow encourages antisemitism by some bizarre logic, in effect whitewashing it.

    West is a Nazi

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