There is no comparison between Cruz and Trump. Cruz has been at the forefront of all actions on behalf of Israel
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mar55 Said:
my memory is that it was not his citizenship which was in question but whether he satisfied the requirement of “natural born” citizen which I understood he did because the canal zone was a US territory when he was born there.
thanks for the compliment, I have been around but more busy with family issues.
@ bernard ross:
Bernard, my problem with this individual is the way he refers to everything and talks without knowledge.
I happened to remember when Mc.Cain citizenship was in question. Cruz father is not a Marxist either.
Thank you. Where have you been? We miss your wisdom around here. At least I do.
Bear Klein Said:
not solid, but an argument. It rests on interpreting that a foreign born american citizen is also a “natural born” citizen. This is Derivative citizenship which states that if a parent is a citizen it doesnt matter where you were born, as you automatically derive citizenship from your parents at birth. The same derivative citizen ship allows children born outside of the US to be derivative citizens if their parents were naturalized before the children become 14.. in other words not at the time of the childrens birth. therefore, simply automatically aquiring citizenship as derived through the parents is not synonymous with “natural born”.
Bear Klein Said:
all of these were scenarios involving being born in the US.
None of them dealt with the peculiar Hawaiian issue where a short form BC stated a person was born in Hawaii even though actually and physically born abroad, in the case of Obama. A short form BC in Hawaii was not even allowed as proof in Hawaii of actually having been born in Hawaii, at that time.
More solid opinion Cruz can run for President.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2015/03/23/legal-experts-say-canadian-born-cruz-is-eligible-to-serve-as-president/
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http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm
For all you legal eagle beagles:
Recent court rulings on presidential eligibility
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/lawsuits/recent-court-rulings-on-presidential-eligibility/
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1215/rabbis_endorse_cruz.php3#.VmctK7_-P0o
here is a good article which supports Bear and disagrees with me
http://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/
however, the supreme court never ruled on the definition
rsklaroff Said:
My understanding is that you are born abroad of US citizen parents(meaning 2) or you are born in the US or territories.
the quote from bear was an opinion of a congress research group during the obama first term and has no legal import beyond an opinion. the constituion clearly states differnces between a citizen and a natural born citizen.
In my view Cruz cannot be considered natural born as he was neither born in the US NOR were both parents US citizens. Cruz has the same derivative citizenship that I and my son have…. being born abroad of one citizen parent which one also gets if the parent is naturalized in the US before the child is 14 years. No definition has been made for natural born but there are precedents set by similar cases. Natural born is not the same as acquiring at birth.. or by derived rights… derivative citizenship is automatic but based on derived rights rather than natural born citizenship. You have to read the past cases in history which still leaves questions… but I doubt that Cruz case is natural born.
IN fact, obama’s claim was based not on his mother but on his birth in the US and all the birther questions related to whether he was born in the US or was registered according to hawaiian law at the time whereby one could register a birth abroad as being born in hawaii and that unless you had the long form BC which gave the hospital or address of birth one could not determine from the short form BC the actual birth being in hawaii. When he finally released the long form there was highly credible allegations that it was a fabricated computer document, the allegations made by experts used by Obamas own lawyers. Subsequent lawsuits were determined on technicalities irrelevant to the substance of the charge and so the truth has never come out. All that is needed is for the secretary of the party to authenticate that they are qualified under the constitution.
Bernard, listen to Bear.
mar55 Said:
the basis of mcains claim to “natural born” citizenship is being born in the US panama canal zone to parents on gov service.
Natural born should not be confused with “derivative citizenship” whereby a person born abroad of a US citizen is automatically considered an american citizen and can be registered as such without naturalization. This is NOT a natural born citizen… a condition which still lies in limbo but by most accounts require actual physical birth in the US or territories.
@ oldjerry:Read more carefully and take your time you may find it by tomorrow? In-spite of your contention you have nothing to hang your legal hat on.
“The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term ‘natural born’ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship ‘by birth’ or ‘at birth’, either by being born ‘in’ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to foreign parents; or by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship ‘at birth.’”
Since his mother was a U.S. citizen, that interpretation indicates that Cruz would be eligible to run for and serve as president, no matter where he was born.
@ Bear Klein:
I don’t see anything in the Constitution requiring a candidate to win cases in the Supreme Court in order to be eligible for the presidency.
Cruz qualifies to be President. He is a super legal scholar himself. He won 7 cases before the USA Supreme Court. Do you think he would waste his time running if he was not?
However, in 2011, the non-partisan Congressional Research Service issued a report stating:
“The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term ‘natural born’ citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship ‘by birth’ or ‘at birth’, either by being born ‘in’ the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to foreign parents; or by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship ‘at birth.’”
Since his mother was a U.S. citizen, that interpretation indicates that Cruz would be eligible to run for and serve as president, no matter where he was born.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presrequire.htm
I think Rubio is the better candidate that has the best chance to win in a general election. Cruz is my second choice.
Trump if he wins the nomination will allow Hillary Clinton to win in land slide of electoral college votes.
Why all this discussion about McCain’s eligibility? That’s all water under the bridge. The issue now is whether Cruz now running second to Trump in the polls is eligible for the presidency. And as in the case of Obama the Constitution is ignored by both parties and we are faced with the possibility of another ineligible person elected president. Not that I’m comparing Cruz to Obama in no other way then the Constitutional requirement.
@ ppksky:
You have the tendency to write without checking your facts first. The problem is your lack of honesty.
You have the right to like or dislike anyone you choose.
Making statements as to other people lack of veracity makes you a liar.
You assume other people lie because you do.
Here is the proof of Mc.Cain eligibility at the time.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/john-mccains-presidential-eligibility
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html?referer=&_r=1
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/mccain_hollander_041708.pdf
Next time you decide you know better than thou, I suggest you check first your sources. You are loosing credibility with your statements out of thin air.
You are putting the cart before the DONKEY!
intuitive
It is not true that McCain’s citizenship was ever called into question because he was born outside the country. This, another straw dog from those corrupting the integrity of citizenship. If both parents are US citizens, then their offspring is a US citizen, it doesn’t matter where they are born.
The problem with Cruz is that his parents were not both US citizens. And this gets into the other fraud against citizenship, where not both parents are citizens and the weird notion of “dual citizenship”, an idea also embraced by Cruz.
The intent of the constitution is clear: To prevent being governed by foreign powers and anyone not a US citizen, not born in the US is not qualified to be president. It would be bad enough if he had been born in the US of a non-citizen as the Obamination was, even worse that he was not even born in the US at all.
@ rsklaroff:
Where is your explanation?
@ mar55:
I did.
@ rsklaroff:
Could you explain to those who are constantly and mistakenly claiming that Cruz is not a citizen the legal ruling on this respect.
This apply the same as when Mc.Cain was told he was not a natural born citizen because he was born in Panama.
It is a lie to say his father is a Marxist.
Contrary to what is said. His father was jailed and punished for not bending to the Marxist ideology of the Castro brothers.
If a woman who is a citizen of the USA is pregnant, finds herself in another country outside of the US. Suddenly she starts having contractions and give birth. That child is immediately registered in the American Embassy with the citizenship of the mother. That child is an American Citizen. It is possible for the child if he or she chooses
to claim the citizenship of the country of birth or he/she can renounce it.
The same law was applied when Mc.Cain was a candidate. His citizenship was in question until it was taken to court and the ruling was, he was a citizen.
Another point that has nothing to do with the above. He was the smarter student in his class at Harvard.
The question of his citizenship has to be made clear to the voters. His campaign should be aware that many people I have heard them say that he will not get their vote because he is not a citizen.
Please look for the particular clause in the law journals that qualifies him and pot it here.
Thank you.
Cruz is a citizen and wasn’t naturalized; thus he’s natural-born.
To set the record straight to become president, amongst other requirements, one must be a natural born citizen. A natural born citizen is one born in this country of two parents who are American citizens. End of story. Three presidential candidates are therefore ineligible. Cruz, Rubio and Jindahl. How much longer will this farce of spitting on our Constitution continue?
I understand.
@ rsklaroff:
Be that as it may about Esther/Hadasa, for the memory of whom I suppose I should add an overdue kol hakavod.
But I want the Jewish nation to be saved by its own power; not by dependence on some miracle that requires the timely emergence of an otherwise unknown but good looking Jewish girl to go to bedsheet city with some goyische prince or emperor, who is then expected to save the Jews as payment for services rendered. Even if it were the greatest fuckfest of his life.
Do you understand what I’m talking about here?
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
{Just watched another Hanukkah [“Eagles”] miracle!}
@ rsklaroff:
Thank you for the link. I sent it to my granddaughter and her brother.
Happy Hanukkah!
Don’t disagree with contemporary import of Hanukkah, but disagree with degradation of Purim.
Exemplifying the former – in terms of the issue of “whore” – is this essay regarding Hanukkah:
http://www.chabad.org/holidays/chanukah/article_cdo/aid/103019/jewish/Yehudit.htm
Exemplifying the latter – in terms of the issue of Jewish survival – is the obvious fact that Esther/Mordechai saved Jewry.
Thus, let’s celebrate both for the rationales that each individually/collectively have accrued over the years.
@ babushka:
Thanks, Babushka. I not at all an observant Jew. But two Jewish celebrations my wife Stefi and I never miss. One is the weekly Shabat service. The other is Chanuka. I read the invocations for both these services in authentic Yisraeli Ivrit. Which is the only Hebrew that either of us know.
I pay no attention to Purim. Why so?
Chanuka marks the occasion of that most precious and holy of authentic Jewish actions in our long history; in that the Makabiim mobilized the Jewish nation to fight and kill the Hellenized Syrians who wanted to Hellenize the Jews. The Jewish nation itself made that war and gained their victory over the Hellenists. The people, and not some damned pipsqeak of a king.
As for Purim, that was basically the story of a Jewish whore who shook her presumably pretty ass in the face of the Persian monarch, Achashverosh (Xerxes), and induced him to hang Haman the Jew-hater and all his sons from the gallows that Haman had intended for Mardchai, her uncle, and for the other Jewish leaders in their Persian exile. But that amounted to little more than Jewish trickery, which can never be ranked in the same league as Jewish fighting valor.
Absorb all of the above, and you will discover the soul of the undersigned.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LYMu6i8qq4
The above comments are both inaccurate and tangential.
Cruz is a citizen and he wasn’t naturalized; thus, he is natural-born.
He has had at least one organizer – for months – in each county in the first four primary states; he is displacing Carson and is poised to absorb support from all the others seriatim.
Ted Cruz was not born a US citizen and he was not born in the US. By this, he is NOT eligible to be a US president. Ted Cruz called himself a “dual citizen” of Canada and the US — a principle absurdity — until he renounced Canadian citizenship only in 2014. His father was a Marxist.
Anyone who would vote for this man for any office in the US would also vote for Obama and probably did. Ted Cruz is just another Obama. This man has McCain’s fingerprints all over him.
Here you go, Arnold.
Happy Hanukkah:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIXGpScZ0Cg
I would love Cruz. I can live with Trump, who is a vast improvement over McCain and Romney. I agree with everything else you wrote, Arnold. And as a fan of well turned phrases, I am happy to learn of “lightly chloroformed”. It is far more elegant than the term I generally use to describe erstwhile Jews whose assimilation into Gentile society has been excessively self-negating. I am trying to cut down on the profanity so I will spare you the details, but it involves excrement and sinus cavities.
Cruz is running a masterful campaign organizationally, but unless Trump stumbles it might not matter. Amazing change in the GOP electorate – since 1988, it’s been the next establishment figure in line getting the rubber stamp from the voters. This year, Washington pariah Ted Cruz has thus far been deemed insufficiently anti-establishment. Thank you, Mitch McConnell – your deceit and betrayal has radicalized the lambs.
In the Real Clear Politics average of South Carolina polls, Senator Scarlett O’Hara is at two percent. In her home state. That is just two percent more than me, and I haven’t even formally announced. Then again, Lindsey isn’t in it to win it. Any excuse to appear on MSNBC and bash conservatives.
Cruz is poised to win a majority in Iowa, noting [for example] that 57% of the electorate is self-ID’ed as evangelical.
He will also do well in South Carolina, inasmuch as “Grahamesty” probably will have departed the stage within two months…which leads to the “SEC primary” in which Cruz has been carefully planning a Southern blitz.
@ babushka:
But Trump is the man who attracts both the hard-core right wing and the blue-collar classes who might otherwise vote for Democrats.
I regard Rubio as a phony. Cruz most likely would not disappoint us. But the way this election campaign is shaping up, he won’t be man who wins the early state primaries, all of which are headed for solid Trump victories. The state primaries begin less than 60 days from now.
And Trump’s well-handled demagoguery keeps building his base vote. Even so, with ISIS-backed massacres start up around the USA, he hardly needs any other issue to attract and hold the rapt attention of tens and scores of thousands of people in every city where his private aircraft lands in cities all across the USA.
As you know by now, Babushka, I’m not the kind of Jewish guy who walks around as though he were lightly chloroformed, a description coined by some Jewish novelist who used it to describe the way Jews typically relate to the non-Jewish world and their intentions regarding Jews. And I sincerely think the situation in the USA requires a man of action rather than a man of belief.
Trump is nobody’s fool. One quick look around Israel will almost certainly show him that no peace arrangement cam be made with Fatah and Hamas, any more than can be made with Hezbollah or ISIS.
What I’m backing is Israeli annexation of all of Area C, plus Israel tossing out the so-called Palestine Authority and replacing it with separately-negotiated local autonomy agreements with the most important hamulas of each of the big Arab cities in Shomron and Yehuda. I’m not the only man who has backed that idea for a few years now. I think it’s only a matter of time before Trump will find out what hamulas are, and the role they play in traditional Arab culture in that part of the Middle East.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
CNN just reported Cruz is #2 nationally…and that he’s rocketing.
If polls at this stage mattered President’s Day would be honoring Edmund Muskie, Michael Dukakis, and Ross Perot.
Cruz is passionately pro-Israel with no hint of deviation. Rubio is that “pre-owned” car salesman who tinkers with the odometer.
Want a Pro Israel Republican who is electable the choice is clearly Rubio:
Latest Poll which is consistent with prior polls, Rubio beats Hillary. Cruz and Trump loose to Hillary.
We also joined his candidacy.
Also, note that the ZOA noted that Trump wouldn’t commit to maintaining a unified Jerusalem; the video confirms he was booed after he said he would first want to chat with BB during his upcoming trip.
I have exclusively supported him for almost 2 1/2 years; I pledged this to his father Rafael when he spoke in Wilmington, Delaware on 8/29/2013 in support of defunding ObamaDon’tCare @ an event sponsored by Heritage Action.
This posture has only been enhanced following three personal encounters plus monitoring every posting and news report since then.
Even his approach to [social] issues with which I don’t concur, is just fine, for everything is handled via rule-of-law.