T. Belman. I wrote to Christine :
I just posted your excellent article even though I had a few problems with it.
” Although Dayan formulated the agreement to pacify hostile Arab forces that were bent on obliterating Israel, this fact does not alter the reality about Jewish rights or about the violent outbreaks on the Temple Mount. “
Dayan gave the keys to the Wakf to Jordan after Jerusalem was liberated in the ’48 war. He did so, not to pacify hostile Arab forces, but to remove a grievance from the Arabs throughout the ME which might result in a forever war with the Arabs.
He did this without the approval of the Israeli government. He acted alone.
It should be pointed out that there is no Israeli law which prohibits Jews from praying on the Temple Mount. The SC acknowledged this but went on to say that the Police can prevent it to avoid violence. Ben Gvir wants to change the police action.
One final thought. The Al Jazeera article is full of lies.
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now barred Jewish visitors from the Temple Mount until the end of Ramadan, due to widespread violence. According to the prime minister’s Office, this was done “on the unanimous recommendation of the Defense Minister, the IDF Chief-of-Staff, the Director of the ISA and the Israel Police Inspector General.” But Minister of National Security Itamar Ben Gvir called the move a “‘serious mistake’ that risks further inflaming tensions.”
Ben Gvir argued that “the absence of Jewish visitors on the flashpoint site would mean fewer Israeli police officers stationed there, ‘which will create fertile ground for massive demonstrations of incitement to murder Jews and even a scenario in which stones will be thrown at Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall. When terrorism strikes us, we must hit back with tremendous force, not surrender.’”
Leading up to this decision, it may seem odd to read and watch the barrage of news stories condemning Israeli police for “storming” the al-Aqsa mosque, as though Palestinians at al-Aqsa were being provoked and abused for no reason at all. Bear in mind that Muslims reference the whole Temple Mount compound as the “al-Aqsa mosque compound.” i24 news described a typical scene:
Those detained that had locked themselves inside the Al-Aqsa mosque included “masked individuals, stone and firework throwers, and individuals suspected of desecrating the mosque,” the police spokesperson said. The clashes come nearly halfway through the Muslim holy month of Ramadan and as Jews prepare to celebrate Passover starting Wednesday evening. “Overnight, many dozens of law-breaking and masked juveniles smuggled fireworks, clubs and stones into the mosque and violently barricaded themselves inside of it using iron rods, closets and other objects from the mosque, which they vandalized, aiming to disrupt the order while desecrating the mosque,” the police statement said.
The reason why Israeli police are there goes back to the Six-Day War in June 1967. The “status quo” agreement was reached after that war, during which Israel reconquered the Old City of Jerusalem. Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Moshe Dayan formulated the agreement. Under its terms, “the Muslim Waqf, a Jordanian religious trust, would retain control of the Temple Mount. Jews would be allowed to visit the site without restrictions, though they would not be allowed to pray there. Israel would also take responsibility for security, though its forces would stay off the mount.”
But it hasn’t been that simple in the face of escalated Palestinian violence, as well as Jewish history and the Jews’ claim to the Holy Land. Although Dayan formulated the agreement to pacify hostile Arab forces that were bent on obliterating Israel, this fact does not alter the reality about Jewish rights or about the violent outbreaks on the Temple Mount. Israel Hayom quotes Yisrael Medad, a Temple Mount activist for over 50 years, making the point that “Israel should not allow threats of Muslim violence to dictate what Jews can or cannot do on the Temple Mount. Once you accept the position that your enemy, or your rival, sets the rules, and you have no say in what those rules are, whatever you do will be wrong in his eyes.” The article also states that Jews have been praying at the site for years, and that in fact, today “thousands of Jews visit the site annually.”
For Jews, the Temple Mount is the most sacred site in the world. It is the place where King Solomon built the first temple 3,000 years ago. The second temple was also on that site, and was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. The rage of the Muslim world when Ben Gvir visited the Temple Mount in December was odd, since at no time did he violate the status quo. As Senator Ted Cruz stated:
“A visit by a minister from Israel’s government to a site inside Israel is not a change in any status quo arrangement, and it should not be controversial for a Jew to visit the holiest site in Judaism.”
A report in i24 also stated:
If the UN were a serious and credible organization – and not a hypocritical and biased institution – it would have investigated the multiple Palestinian violations of the status quo on the Temple Mount long ago.
Despite the clear terms set out by the status quo, constant conflict breaks out, even in the face of Jews’ adherence to it. The reason for the violence, according to Nir Hasson, a journalist for Haaretz, was this:
The status quo that Israelis speak about is completely different from the status quo that the Waqf and Palestinians speak about.
The article below is important to understand the mindset of Palestinians, and more broadly what Arab nationalism is about. It is antisemitic at its root. The repeated rallying cry of the Palestinian “resistance” is: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free,” meaning that Israel must be obliterated from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
The bottom line is that Palestinians do not accept the status quo, nor do they recognize the ancient Jewish claim to Judea and Samaria; nor will they accept Jews visiting the Temple Mount, which they call the Al-Aqsa Mosque Compound.
“What does the ‘status quo’ mean at Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque?,” by Adam Sella, Al Jazeera, April 11, 2023:
The legal status of Jerusalem’s Al-Aqsa Mosque compound, known to Jews as the Temple Mount, is a recurring flashpoint in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Last week, Israeli police raided the Al-Aqsa Mosque, attacking and arresting Palestinian worshippers who had been inside the prayer hall. Rockets were shot into Israel from Gaza and Lebanon in retaliation, leading to a brief flare-up in violence.
In 2021, a similar raid led to an 11-day Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip.
To understand how a single police raid can precipitate a war, one must understand the status quo governing the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound.
What is the status quo?
For Palestinians – and under international law – the matter is quite simple.“Israel doesn’t have sovereignty over [East] Jerusalem and therefore doesn’t have sovereignty over Al-Aqsa,” which is in Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem, says Khaled Zabarqa, a Palestinian legal expert on the city and the compound. Consequently, Zabarqa says, international law dictates that Israel is not authorised to implement any status quo.
For the Palestinians and the Waqf, the Jordanian-appointed body that manages the Al-Aqsa compound, it is a status quo rooted in the site’s administration under the Ottoman Empire, which dictated that Muslims have exclusive control of Al-Aqsa, according to Nir Hasson, a journalist for Haaretz covering Jerusalem.
The Israelis, however, see things differently, despite international law not recognising any attempt by an occupying power to annex territory it has occupied.
“The status quo that Israelis speak about is completely different from the status quo that the Waqf and Palestinians speak about,” explains Hasson.
For Israel, the status quo refers to a 1967 agreement formulated by Moshe Dayan, a former Israeli defence minister. After Israel occupied East Jerusalem, Dayan proposed a new arrangement based on the Ottoman agreement.
According to Israel’s 1967 status quo, the Israeli government allows the Waqf to maintain day-to-day control of the area, and only Muslims are permitted to pray there. However, Israeli police control the site’s access and are responsible for security, and non-Muslims are allowed to visit the site as tourists……
Christine replied:
He did so, not to pacify hostile Arab forces, but to remove a grievance from the Arabs throughout the ME which might result in a forever war with the Arabs.
However one might choose to phrase it, sadly it amounts to the same thing when one accepts the reality of what the Arabs generally are and have always been since the rise of Islam. No amount of [hopeful] intellectualizing according to Western mores could change it. It’s the core of why the West is in the position it’s in.
Indeed! And well understood by perhaps everyone living in Israel and observers beyond.
He did this without the approval of the Israeli government. He acted alone.
Yes and a big, central issue to this day. How much more patience could Jews be expected to endure?
The Al Jazeera article is full of lies.
Absolutely and the whole point. They lie as a matter of course, religion and culture. It’s an exposé about how they view it, not about civilized logic or truth of which isn’t incorporated into their MO.
It’s a fools errand to try to expect anything different from them—as harsh as I sound.
On a personal level when dealing with Muslim Arabs and Muslims overall, they can be very pleasant as I have experienced. When dealing with Israel on a political level however, that’s entirely another story.
Sebastien
“In giving religious sovereignty over the mount to the Muslims, he believed he was defusing the site as a center of Palestinian nationalism.9 ”
How could Dayan get this wrong?
Go over again his thinking on this.
Sebastien I don’t like your expression
He was secular…therefore he did this
Trotsky was a socialist revolutionary
But b precisely in his maturity he would have done the very opposite to Dayan
I think flattening the thing and say to the Jews rebuild your TEMPLE
Anything but this absurd situation
NOT 1967-
Dayan symbolically giving the keys to 3 old men with buffalo horn moustaches, dressed in baggy breeches and Turbans is a picture which sticks in my mind They only had the Usual day to day running of the Mount UNDER the over-lordship and Sovereignty of Israel.
I have posted this several times in the past. I was there in 1976 and for a couple of years on. I went all around , into and under the Mount. Into the Al Aksa, I recall the flooring covered with very smelly old carpets. Nobody bothered me or anyone else. I washed my hands in the water there, I think my face also. NOBODY gave me a second look.
The change came when Arafat was brought back by those Jewish Traitors and scoundrels.
(unfortunately, the footnote numbers in this article don’t lead to the citations but I have read this before and searched for an article like this to corroborate the correction to the above assertions as to Dayan’s motives. He was secular and maybe this was the opening salvo on the current conflict between religious and non-religious wings of the Zionist movement which founded the state with a historic compromise. This violated that compromise and in so doing, hoist by his own petard, he inadvertently re-galvanized the war he had attempted to quell with appeasement.
When the Muslims are on the run, never rush to reassure them and bring them back. Appeasement has never worked in history. Lincoln and the Big Three knew that. That’s why they prevailed.
He also begged the Arabs not to flee in 1967. He lost his eye during WWI because he led the successful capture of an Arab base on behalf of the British and then took prisoners instead of wiping the enemy out. They escaped and he and his men had to fight all over again. He won again but lost his eye. This is in “The Forgotten Ally” by Pierre Van Passen (1943. Available on Amazon Kindle as an ebook).
On a humorous note, gallows humor that is, I think Dayan’s actions provide another practical answer to the question I once posed, “If two wrongs don’t make a right, when do two rights make a wrong?” My answer had been, “when you’re looking for your shoes in the morning.” Dayan snatched defeat from the Jaws of victoryv in that battle and after winning the Six Day War provided not one but two non-facetious examples.
When I try to add or edit text with edit button, it still doesn’t reflect the change and I have to select and copy or cut the whole thing, delete the post, and paste in a new post.
Even copying and deleting didn’t stop it from erasing the comment I just added. Exhausting.
The act of placing control over the Temple Mount to an antisemitic extra national entity as Dayan did is nothing more than the abrogation of Israel’s commitment to
as committed to by Israel in the Proclamation of the State of Israel. It is unacceptable for Israel to tolerate a lack of sovereignty over the most precious of its possessions, and it is a betrayal of the Jewish people to have the site held as being most sacred to them to be occupied and governed by an antisemitic govt which Jordan uncontestedly does remains. Israel must throw off this established tradition of tyranny which abuses her public and instigates open revolt and violence in the capital. Jerusalem is Israel’s undivided capital. There is no East Jerusalem just as there is no East Rome, East Mecca or East Washington. Jerusalem is Jerusalem. It is our capital in whole, not in part, and we should not pretend to either ourselves or our enemies that this truth is not actually true. Our ancestors established this city and our continued presence thru the ages has persisted despite our blood being spilt for exhibiting such a privilege and this continues to this day. In fact, we have only ourselves to thank for instituting this cancerous institution of the Jordanians occupation of the Temple Mount, and only our obsession with pleasing others to our own detriment, vilification and discrimination. The continuation of this pernicious abuse of our faith by the abandoned authority of our own govt stands as a blinding breach of the stipulations agreed to under the Proclamation of Statehood, and the intolerance of our free access of worship should instead, itself, be beyond all toleration. End this practice of segregating the Jews from free access and worship at this most revered site of worship and do it today!
That should read “the ’67 war”. The claim was that this step would avoid the forever war with the surrounding neighbors, but it didn’t work!
I still complain that the Defense Minister, the IDF Chief-of-Staff, the Director of the ISA and the Israel Police Inspector General simply were reluctant to do their job of imposing peace on the Temple Mount and all of Jerusalem. The Arabs in Judea and Samaria were well cowed directly after the ’67 war and would have accepted any conditions imposed on them, but the clever Israelis, led by Dayan, thought that they could gain long-term peace by appeasing them, Big mistake!
This is certainly a nice turn of events. When Israelis finally get off their backsides and actually impose the so-called status quo, they get the desired results at the cost of the complaints around the world and especially at the UN. What a surprise!
Christine replied to my email and I* posted her reply at the bottom of the post.