Col Douglas MacGregor Alleges US Special Forces Went into Gaza and “Were Shot to Pieces, Took Heavy Losses, I Understand” (VIDEO)

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1. @Raphael, I agree. We can never know what is in another man or woman’s mind or heart without asking.

   However, as you pointed out, it is not just Colonel Macgregor, it is others who have in regard to the War in Ukraine, not listened to conventional wisdom (or CIA propaganda) and have formulated for themselves, based upon their own sources, what they think is going on.

   I believe that these people do not have good or reputable sources in Israel, but are relying on “conventional wisdom,” which turns out to be Palestinian propaganda, but they do not realize they are being taken in. They just simply think “this is what soldiers do: they protect innocent people and direct their attacks at military targets.”

   They are missing the facts. The facts are that the people of Gaza are not innocent. If they were innocent, then why won’t any other Muslim nation take them in? Why did two neighboring Muslim nations rush quickly to state right away that they would not take them in?

   The facts are very painful for Western people. To think that whole populations of people in the West Bank and Gaza actually really want Israel to be destroyed, and REALLY WANT ALL THE JEWS DEAD,
   they cannot wrap their heads around. For them this cannot be true. It must be just the so-called “militants” who believe this and act on it.

   I do not know what it will take to help them see the truth.
   Especially difficult is that the UN and many Western countries are firmly convinced the Palestinians are innocent.

   Now these people like Macgregor and Napolitano are interested in the truth. They also feel strongly that nation states are at risk these days from the globalist threats to destroy their sovereignty.

   But they just cannot get over the mind blowing idea that an entire group of people has been inculcated since birth to believe that Jews have destroyed their chances for a country of their own and thus must die.

   Nothing short of having each of these men watch hours and hours of interviews with the average Palestinian person on the street being asked how they feel about the Jews by their fellow Palestinians. Maybe they need to see the data with their own eyes.

   However, right now is not the time for remedial courses in reality for people who just don’t get it. If these men who appear to understand the rules of international law do not see Israel’s right to destroy Hamas, period, no qualifications, then we will just have to accept they are too limited in their understanding of reality to serve as sources of information and insight on this subject.

2. One more comment reposted

   One thing more to mention about McGreggor’s comments, and there are many other points which could be noted as well, is that he asserts that Russia will go to war with the West on behalf of Iran, when Russia has yet to go to war with the West on behalf of Russia itself as Western assets, munitions, and in some unknown numbers, soldiers have been employed in the Ukraine war to defeat Russia directly.

   This assertion that Russia will come to the defense of Ukraine is as false as the assertion that China would come to the defense of Russia. These are uniquely separate nations, who do not act as a collective core as the West has been trying to assemble of the world’s many nations. Of course the Europeans, being European, were happy to sell their nationality in pursuit of such folly, but these other nations, such as Russia, should not be seen to be trapped into taking actions in the defense of others when they are yet to do so for their own defenses.

   You should listen to the interview by Alex Grinberg, an expert on Iran, Russia, and the Arab world, to gain a better appreciation of the association rather than union which exists between these member of the BRICS.

   Russia’s salvation lies in peace in the middle east, not war, which is why she will not likely act to widen this war, but will instead try as she has been doing to force Israel into not pursuing the insult which Russia would never have accepted against her own people.

   **The audio in the Grinberg interview is attrocious, but I would suggest that it is well worth the effort to hear.

3. Reposting my comments on McGreggor from another thread

   How could any fair minded person agree that Israel should not respond to the savagery which has been plied against it, while describing military responses as ‘collective punishment’, and national defense as war crimes.

   You must take a moment and consider exactly what McGreggor is stating, and how it departs from what he asserts to be true for Russia, and then draw the obvious conclusion of what that distinction states about both what he says and his own world view.

   Unlike Russia, who was reacting to a clear and present threat upon their border, within their sphere of influence, Israel was actually attacked by Hamas, with the most savage abuse of humanity that they inflict upon the native population within her own borders. The clarity which such a distinction between reacting to an impending threat and reacting to an actual attack can not remotely miss McGreggor’s grasp, as he has demonstrated himself to be a good student of history and an active participant in the pursuit of war and geopolitical studies. Despite what should be an obviously easy call that Israel has every right and responsibility to annihilate the threat which actually stands within her borders, McGreggor calls for restraint, to accept having killed the fraction of the force which died while purpotrating the assault on the civilians and ignore the obvious result of doing so would target Israel as a nation of weakness in a region where only the strong are left to survive. He describes military responses as war crimes while demanding that aid be sent to the villains who did commit war crimes, and this demand for aid is itself another violation of international norms. None of this is remotely likely to escape McGreggor’s attention even as it obviously evades his interest to speak honestly about the situation.

   You and others have failed to appreciate the clarity and consistency of McGreggor’s arguments with regards to Russia, so you will likely see little change of position in McGreggor’s change of stance on what constitutes collective punishment rather than it being the necessary requirement of national defense. Despite your failure to do so, you should go back and reassess his previous comments, as they are quite inconsistent with his comments of late, naturally applying only to Israel. As in all things, when the only Jewish State is treated differently, demanded to accept barbarism without remedy, and attacks without war, without further explanation to excuse such a double standard, it must be seen to be based in antisemitism, and this is true of far more than just McGreggor, though I have to admit that I am quite surprised and disappointed to see him embrace such a dishonest role as he has done.

4. Now is the time to take out the IRGC, Iranian missiles, nuke sites. They have been attacking the USA for years and have made over 10 attacks in the last week alone.

5. McGregor is very likely spouting bullshit about USA forces going into Gaza and getting shot to pieces. Do NOT believe him one iota!

6. @Vivarto – Russian’s are not Islamist’s if that they if that is what you mean by ideological supporters of Hamas and Iran. However, they are certainly strong allies of Iran with weapon’s trading plus providing Iran their nuclear technology. Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah all have Russian weapons.

   Russia actually in favor of this war between Israel and the various Islamist’s because it raises oil prices and now Ukraine is not the center of attention on many aspects (including weapons and money).

   Russian’s are part of the Axis of Evil who are against the west including the USA and Israel.

7. @EvRe1

   I watched a portion of the interview with Col Macgregor, a man who I thought had made a very cogent military analysis of the war in Ukraine. I thought he had a good understanding of where the push for the War in Ukraine was coming from, and what is motivating the war in Ukraine, i.e. the desire on the part of the Military Industrial Complex (which never met a war it didn’t want to fight) for regime change in Russia.

   I was surprised to find that he (suffers from the same delusion shared by many in the West based simply on Palestinian propaganda, that Gaza is filled to the brim with completely innocent civilians.

   This is a mystery. I have followed several people during the last year on the Ukraine war, whom I found to be reliable. Macgregor was one of the most solid, I thought. On the Gaza issue, however, he seems to take a decidedly anti-Israeli tack. He is not the only one. Just last night, I took Judge Napolitano and ex CIA Ray McGovern to task for their comments on Israel. There are others…Alexander Mercouris, Scott Ritter…most disappointing.

   I am at a loss to understand this. These guys were so “right” on Ukraine, yet they are so “wrong” on Israel’s response to Hamas. They all take the same anti-Israel position that Israel better not go into Gaza to finish off Hamas. They all want to hinder Israel, and say some very disturbing things in the process. The Judge said that Israel was getting ready to commit genocide in Gaza. I just don’t get it. Maybe it’s me.

8. MacGregor offered up a 100 reasons why Israel is making bad decisions but made not one suggestion as to how Israel might effectively fight its Muslim enemies.

   Not a useful interview in the slightest. Carlson has him on because Carlson is basically ant-war. Any war. I have never heard Carlson say a war is justified.

   Then again Carlson had Kanye West on slamming Jews for two hours and another time Andrew Tate, a convert to Islam, who also does not like Israel much.

   Maybe there is a pattern.

9. I watched a portion of the interview with Col Macgregor, a man who I thought had made a very cogent military analysis of the war in Ukraine. I thought he had a good understanding of where the push for the War in Ukraine was coming from, and what is motivating the war in Ukraine, i.e. the desire on the part of the Military Industrial Complex (which never met a war it didn’t want to fight) for regime change in Russia.

   I was surprised to find that he suffers from the same delusion shared by many in the West based simply on Palestinian propaganda, that Gaza is filled to the brim with completely innocent civilians.

   If you are basing your military planning and concepts on a delusion, you will have poor results.

   I am sure there are children in Gaza and it is true if they are under school age, they might be considered innocent. But the children of Gaza attend summer camps in which they practice killing Jews and learning how to become glorious heroes by killing the sons of apes and pigs, i.e. the Jews.

   There are even Israelis who share this delusion of the “innocent” Palestinian. So it is not surprising that many educated Westerners have fallen for this ruse.

   I’m afraid Col. Macgregor’s analysis of Israel’s chances of succeeding rest upon his delusion that Israel cannot go into Gaza without tremendous cost of innocent life.

   After this I stopped watching the video.

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10. One of the things I think most people would recognize is how that this outbreak of hostilities has cause a separation between people and a unifying among Israel, like none I remember. When the news broke of the Hamas attack on Israel, everyone within minutes had chosen sides. Maybe, this is our warning, that the sheep and the goats are being separated getting everyone ready for the big one that is coming in a few years.

11. I can’t believe I have to struggle to convince Jews on this matter.

    Russian Propagandists Are Dancing on the Bones of Israel-Hamas Victims
    By Kirill Buketov Oct. 20, 2023

    The conflict between Israel and Hamas has dominated the media’s attention for almost two weeks now. Russian media has been no exception. However, it has taken a unique approach, not shying away from manipulating the truth and spreading outright lies in order to show President Vladimir Putin’s regime in the best light possible.

    Russian television channels at first reacted to the violent Hamas attack with indignation and disgust. But criticism of Israel soon began to dominate their talking points. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant’s remark that his country was fighting against “humanoid animals” gave Putin’s propagandists the opportunity to get on their high horse and condemn all sides of the conflict. “Israel has abolished all the rules of war. The Israeli army continues to level neighborhoods in the Gaza Strip,” said presenter Olesya Loseva during a talk show on Channel One on Oct. 11.

    A week later, the anti-Israeli rhetoric from Moscow intensified. The explosion at the Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza is still under investigation. But Russian propagandists did not hesitate to blame Israel, claiming Hamas lacked shells that were powerful enough.

    Keep reading…

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/10/20/russian-propagandists-are-dancing-on-the-bones-of-israel-hamas-victims-a82840

12. Vivarto, “mildly retarded” ought to answer your question.

    Russia has been one of Hamas’s main supporters. Even before most Israelis were aware of Hamas’s attack on them, Putin was demanding that Israel cease fire. I find it hard to believe your naivete

    Putin Renews Support For ‘Independent Palestine’; Russia For Ceasefire Amid Israel-Hamas War

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP5h1m8KMUc

    Hamas thanks Putin for his position

    https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/177ltpf/hamas_thanks_putin_for_his_position/

13. @Michael S

    Russia is not an ideological supporter of Iran and Hamas.
    American war on Russia resulted in Russian alliance with others at war with America.
    If Russia could choice between alliance with Israel and America, or Iran and Hamas, Israel and America are more atractive.

14. @Michael S

    Sorry, don’t get the connection between Russia and a mildly retarded Swedish girl.
    what’s on your mind?

15. Vivarto, you said

    Stop supporting Ukro-Nazis and make peace with Russia!

    Oh, what fitting revenge on Hamas! Make peace with their supporters!

    Did you learn this from Greta Thunberg?

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16. Stop supporting Ukro-Nazis and make peace with Russia!

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17. within the last 24 hours or so, some of our Special Ops forces and Israeli Special Ops forces went into Gaza to reconnoiter to plan for where they might want to go to free hostages and make an impact. And they were shot to pieces and took heavy losses as I understand it.

    Yes, that’s what MacGreggor said. I take it at face value.