By Ted Belman
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
@Michael
Yes, sadly, I was aware of it. The last victim of the GTA physician epidemic was actively in a swimming competition when she fell prey to whatever it was that led to her death. At least one other of the deceased doctors was a runner as well. As we are all aware now, these shots cause myocarditis to many, and the simple truth is that myocarditis, if left without immediate attention can lead to chronically increasing heart issues, or a ticking time bomb which only makes itself known when the bomb goes off and the patient dies from sudden death. It is called the silent killer, and not unwarrantedly so.
It would be a simple thing to conduct wide based population CMRs or even just
test for troponin levels, which is associated with heart damage, or running a clot panel to look for clotting issues, or running other simple diagnostics. By doing so, we could know who is affected by some of the more apparent injuries associated with the vaccines. Unfortunately, the medical authoritarians would prefer to bury these problems, and are continuing to do so one casualty at a time.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/biden-border-wall-gaps-arizona/index.html
Peloni, you probably are aware of this:
That’s five doctors in one month in one city, in multiply-vaxed Canada.
“In all four cases, their hospitals made it clear their deaths “were not related to the COVID-19 vaccine… The cause of death in Dr. Nayman’s case has not been released.”
Yes, Sebastien. I commented on the title, without reading the aricle — it’s the “Captain Kirk” in me 😉 Yes, I have heard that Kolomoisky was Zelenskyy’s boss; so I imagine the “enchelada” is still firmly in his (and Zelenskyy’s) hands, regardless of citizenship.
Do I need to mention that this is all starting to sound more than a little like “Protocols of the Elders…”? The US Administration is overwhelmingly Jewish; Ukraine’s controllers are Jewish. Soros is Jewish, along with Klaus Schwab’s right-hand man, Yuval Harari. What’s next? Will we now learn that Xi Jinping is Jewish?
“Hi! My name is Xi Jinping, and my pronouns are Xi, Xi and Xi.”
I dare say, that none of the above are pro-Israel; though I’m sure I will be “fact-checked” on this. (On the matter of fact-checking, note that Wikipedia changed its definition of “recession”, to align with Joe Biden’s latest, then immediately locked the page to editing).
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye-on-palestine/palestinian-authority/arab-criminal-from-hebron-infiltrated-police-national-headquarters-for-3-weeks/2022/07/28/
Excuse me?
@Sebastien
Exactly, they shouldn’t. Israel has existential threats that that surround her, and they do not include Russia nor Ukraine. By interceding on behalf of Ukraine of all nations, Israel is placing herself in a seriously compromised position with regards to Syria and Iran.
Now we see that Russia is threatening Israel in Syria, working with Iran on her oil infrastructures and evicting the Jewish Agency. Are we to believe that this all simply coincidental to Israel’s vote before the UNHRC? I think not.
So, let me get this straight, Russia is luquidating the Jewish Agency, Ukraine is stripping prominent Ukrainian Jews of citizenship. Both are corrupt oppressive societies with histories of violent antisemitism and persecution of minorities that hypocritically condemn Israel in the UN. Shouldn’t we say, “A plague on both their houses?” Anything any of us does in our name will be used against us all by one side or the other. How is this good for the Jews? Why should Jews get involved in their problems?
@Michael Wait a minute, wasn’t Kolomoisky, who he just stripped of citizenship, according to the article, supposed to have been his boss? Who’s the boss of bosses, now? Or did you comment on the title without going to the article, an apparently contagious condition that seems to be going around, lately,
@Michael
ending of “A Piece of the Action” episode from Star Trek, the original series.
https://youtu.be/FbBuNGVDNCMc
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357270
Hi, Sebastian.
I don’t think we need read beyond the word “wealthiest”, to surmize what’s going on. Zelenskyy and his boss want the whole enchelada, and are bumping off those who want to share it.
Hi, Peloni
That’s an interesting ruling. It strikes to the heart of Biden’s dictatorial bent.
Judge grants preliminary injunction for religious exemptions related to the vaccine mandates in the Airforce for the foreseeable future!
I just recalled that I have read a similar story elsewhere many years ago. And a few novels I’ve read also have related accounts.
As mentioned, I’m reading the Memoirs of Baron de Marbot, a Napoleonic General. He has just related the story of how the Rothschilds became the premier bankers they are today.
As follows; The Duke of Hesse-Darmshtat, was a miserly cunning old rogue, who used to sell his soldiers to other countries, and he mentions the Hessians who fought for the British in America. He amassed enormous wealth, of 15 mill francs. He had to leave for England in a hurry after the battle of Jena -Auerstat. won by Napoleon and Davout. He had no time to take his money. The French knew this, and being the victors , in those days all property of defeated enemies belonged to the victors.
The Duke knew of a 3rd rate banker named Rothschild who was noted for his honesty and strict adherence to his religion. He sent for him and said that he would hand over his money into his keeping, that any interest that was made from it could be kept by the banker. He only wanted the original 15 mill back when he asked for it. This was 1806-7. The French searched for the money, and then heard that the Duke had spent a long time with Rothschild before he scarpered. They went to Rothschild who refused to say a word about the money. they knew his reputation and put him on his oath. He refused to sign the declaration. they offered him a half of the money. He refused everything.
The interrogators wanted to throw him in prison, but Napoleon forbade this, So they left him alone. the Duke didn’t return until after Napoleon was defeated in 1814-15. and the money was returned to him. The interest Rothschild made was the beginning of their rise.
A very interesting story.
@SEBASTIEN-
Sorry ,correction. Doyle’s character was named “Gerard”. . In fact Bernadotte actually had an aide named Col. Gerard, as Marbot relates.
@SEBASTIEN-
Now reading “Memoirs of Baron De Marbot”. Have read many. Conan Doyle wrote books about a character based on Marbot, named Gireaud. . How brave and resourceful, knowing that any minute could be killed.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/357093
@SEBASTIEN-
NO I don’t think you mentioned that here, or I’d certainly have recalled it. Cutting and witty. If we keep going like this we may evolve into a brand new comedy team, “Seb &;ED”,{Allegro Jazz dancing a specialty…with Cher (Finkel) and Marilyn (Gutkin)}.
For humourous writing it would be hard to beat Potash and Perlmutter(which I used to read (mit the richtiger taytsh) to my young children who were delighted with it and always asked for it,
I believe I’ve mentioned Mark Twain’s “Fenimore Cooper’s literary Lapses”. Have you ever read it. I think there is also a very witty rebuttal to it, equally entertaining , which i have not yet read. Must do.
@Edgar I read the one about whether Jesus was a myth in which he speaks as if he were an ancient Greek awakened in rhe present who is prepared to accept that his gods are a myth until he learns that he is supposed to accept Jesus on faith, too, after he thinks he will get to meet him in person at the church service. Hilarious.
It reminded me of the joke I may have told here before, perhaps you remember it.
An evangelical Christian member of the first earth expedition to meet an extra-terrestrial, asks him in the usual rhetorical manner if he knows Jesus and is surprised to be told that Jesus comes by every 2 or 3 years to check up on them to make sure they are ok.
When the Christian earthing explodes incredulously that they have been waiting for him to return for over 2,000 years, the extra-terrestrial opines, “well, maybe he didn’t like your chocolates.”
“Chocolates?! What on earth are you talking about?”
“Well, we always present him with a different flavored chocolate cake when he comes, as a gift. Wait a minute, WHAT DID YOU DO?”
@SEBASTIEN-
Well, I just finished the first one on the Gutenberg list. about the Bible(s). he nitpicks a little, seemingly applying those primitive days to todays, understandings. Even AFTER he made a strong point about there being no originals, and what we have are endless copies of copies. Abuses the Torah in the same way, Tore this section to pieces right from the fist Word “Bereshit”.
Says that the returning Jews from Babylonian exile heard the local version of the Flood and their Creation story,, so knew the Torah was just a copy of old fables etc… Hmm. Regarding things as literal when they are obviously allegorical.
Unfortunately he’s long gone as I’d take him to task by pointing out his own “deficiencies”.
The one you should read is “Jesus, was he a Myth”. Logical with a step by step progress. rather humourous.
He actually was the Minister of a rationalist Church all the time.
Now I’m reading Thomas Hauser’s Muhammed Ali”, and was enjoying the stodgy, stilted and exculpatory story, until he mentioned a quote from Noam Chomsky, which ruined it for me. Because Chomsky may have been a Sociologist but he was not impartial, but a Jew-Hater, the way Ali was a racist. Hauser gives a variety of quotes to show how complex Ali was, sometimes naive like Forrest Gump , and others, quite perceptive.
Well he didn’t mention that Ali was classed with an IQ in the kw 80s before he was drafted. His later “smarts” were slowly learned through all the drek and crookedness that Boxing floats on. Ali was worth about $90 mill, mostly made for him by the TOP RANK Yid Bob Arum, who promoted nearly 30 of his fights. He was staunchly boosted all though his travails by another Yid, Howard Cosell the famous sports commentator and interviewer. Hauser mentions Medgar Evers, Bond, and Luther King, but not the Jewish young men who were in the front lines of the “Freedom” marches, some of whom were murdered, as we know.
Hauser has a column in “BoxingScene”, of which I’m a long-time member.
@Sebastien
Do recall that the first political action he took after leaving the military was to support the Obama’s JPOA against Bibi, and the Dems found the statements of the recently former Chief of Staff very helpful in ignoring Bibi.
Additional questions remain about the smell of rot surrounding the motives of Bennett and Saar.
Motivation aside, though, the Arabs are winning again, and the Israeli govt is aiding them in ways that are quite beyond reason.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-we-can-leverage-the-abraham-accords-to-strengthen-the-palestinian-authority/
Does he want to downgrade Israel to an entity? I’m stunned this virtue-signaling fool made it to general and then publlc office. _”Something’s rotten in the state of Denmark.”
@Edgar Project Gutenberg has 13 of his books. Any particular one you had in mind?
@SEBASTIEN-
And others. Have yon ever read anything by M.M Mangasarian. One of my favourite reads from time to time. A once minister, later a strong rationalist. He delves into sore religious spots and exposes them, without controversy
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/jul/24/democrats-look-buy-back-latino-voters-love/a
@Edgar I will let you have the last word.
@SEBASTIEN-
Yes; we are not communicating. For instance, I already suggested TWICE that we drop it, in other words. So who is “communicating” and who is not…? I think perhaps “receiving” would be better.
No need to answer. It was fun whilst it lasted, You’ve “sampled” several beliefs in a sort of peregrination, so you may have a different outlook on religions. I never have, being satisfied with what I was born into, 100%.
{For instance, when I boxed, in a crudely ignorant Anti-Semitic country, I ALWAYS wore a Magen David on my shorts. It raised “boohs” and jeers, but is didn’t prevent me from showing the “superiority” of Yidden over Goyim.}
Frazer, whom I mentioned earlier, theorised that ALL religions began with “magic” and developed in stages around a sun god, which is born , lives
and dies, then resurrects, and so on. likely for many thousands of years before progressing to a religion, and, in more modern days to science.. Later writers disagreed with him, but I saw no satisfactory reasons, and his postulations still today, have many supporters amongst the anthropological and comparative religion experts..
We’re still O.K.
https://youtu.be/9cy7w1qh5kg
https://youtu.be/9W_zAOvEGbQ
https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/elder-of-ziyon/did-jews-buy-land-in-transjordan-as-early-as-the-1870s/2022/07/22/
@Edgar It’s not that we disagree but that we are not communicating. Let’s drop this.
@SEB.
I got the idea from your enthusiastic pushing of a tiresome list of similarities, YOU certainly sounded as if you were following the mythical Gospels in positive credulity.
I see that now the “point” is “the Sociological origin of Christianity”…Well you certainly fooled me. All the time here I was, thinking that the “point” was to show that the (mythical) Jesus was hidden away in some Lamasery, absorbing all their lore, and to show which, you obligingly listed the unending similarities in the Buddhist and Christian beliefs.
You can only associate Buddhism with the origins o Christianity if you BELIEVE the mythical Gospels. You did not see MY point.
(as culled from the mythical Gospels accounts_ (Sorry…!!)
I suspect that the Tree, which even MAY be 27-800 years old bears a strong resemblance to “George Washington’s original axe, with which he cut down the cherry tree”…
I understand there are several of these holy trees in different countries.
My “holy” tree it the one which still exists in Gan Aden, the famous “fruit tree”. Jewish tradition can’t even make up it’s mind as to what kind of fruit it held… Some traditions even say “wheat” incongruous as it is.
Interesting how often a “Tree” of some sort comes into origins of religions.
{And…this brings to mind Frazer’s “Golden Bough” . If you haven’t read it, please do, you’ll be glad you did. Trees were VERY prominent in dim
very distant times, possibly even before “religions”}.
My strong belief is that apart from the original handful of Ebionim, the vast majority of Christians were the G-D lovers who crowded into synagogues in large numbers, and followed the Noachian precepts, were long debated on by the Sages, In those days Jewish Missionaries were very active.
Many were also ripe for glib frantic assertions, that would instantly make them into the “new Jews”…..
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Anyway, no matter. It was a time of chaos, ignorance, the shattering of an ancient nation, and much more. The last genuine reference to the early Christians was around 134-35 when a shard written by Bar Cocheba was found, referring to a group who will not fight for the freedom of Israel should be “bound in chains”., confidently assumed to have been “the Ebionim”.
Until that time, according to Christian records (believable or not) all of their leaders (or “popes”) were Jews. and their names are given .(although likely faked).
Again, we can amically agree to differ.
https://www.jewishpress.com/multimedia/video-picks/gantz-happy-he-sabotaged-israeli-sovereignty-in-judea-samaria/2022/07/22/
@Edgar Where you got the idea that any of these superstitions are any more believable to me than the ones about Moses or anybody else talking to God, I don’t know.
The point is the sociological origins of Christianiry. You can be so opinionated and dense sometimes!
Though there is no reason why she might not have had a dream, whether it’s true or not. There is nothing fantastical in that story.
The tree is there. It’s a tourist site.
Hunter Biden Charges Being Swept Under the Rug
https://www.foxnews.com/media/hunter-biden-investigation-developments-dont-add-up-former-federal-prosecutor
@SEBASTIEN_
No not part of a myth, just part of a legend, or a bad dream. A 6 tusked elephant must have hurt a fraction. Like the horned Beasts of the apocalypse I may have that wrong. Am no expert on Christian peyote products.
Appolonius of Tyana is supposed to have been the result of the impregnation of his mother by a shower of gold. Alexander’s mother by a lightning flash, from Zeus..All very believable of course. but Par for the periods.
What I just don’t understand is why it all seems so real and believable to you, whom I’ve always regarded as a rock of common sense and perceptiveness..
I MUST try to sleep. It’s about 4 a.m. here, long past my bed time
@Edgar So, you won’t read the article. OK. Moving on. Nothing you have to say on this makes the slightest bit of sense.
@SEBASTIEN_
I respond to your comment because it contains an excerpt from the article which gives me an indication as to what it contains..
IYou mention MY “non-sequitors”, when your whole excerpt from top to bottom is nothing but. Please point them out. I wrote only what I’ve read from authoritative works and which I feel are likely to be factual.
I feel that having read your excerpts, which to me are all fantastic nonsense, I’d be insulting my intelligence (for which I have a great respect) by reading the article…unless it’s great improvement on the excerpt..
Sebastien, we most often agree almost spontaneously, but on this occasion, everything you’re posting is completely foreign and not worthy of your exceptional intelligence, and whom I understand is a committed Jew. You speak with such conviction, that it amazes me. If you posed it merely as a subject for discussion, this would ne a talking point, but you are so ‘gung-ho” on it, that .it’s almost like the cathartic utterances forth of our favourite Christian friend.
Although I MUST say he has made some excellent posts for quite a wile now. He’s good guy, and I actually like him, feel he’s a friend, and certainly a friend to Israel..
I like to read meticulously tracked down and laid out hypotheses that are realistic and logical, that make reasonable cases for possibility or even probability. NOT anything which contains a long string of “mirror-image” impossibilities. You are comparing two entities, one completely mythical, and the other reputedly factual but about whom miracles and myths have accrued. Please remember the times and primitive peoples and surrounding of those times. We just Can NOT look at then with rose coloured glasses but in the clear daylight of modern thought.
I am no trying to ve even remotely offensive and if you feel I am, I most sincerely regret it and apologise, but not for my remarks.
Not my taste.
Just my opinion.
@Edgar Also the bit about the Buddha’s mother having a virgin birth is not part of the myth.
‘Legend has it that, on the night Siddhartha was conceived, Queen Maya dreamt that a white elephant with six white tusks entered her right side,[123][124] and ten months later[125] Siddhartha was born. As was the Shakya tradition, when his mother Queen Maya became pregnant, she left Kapilavastu for her father’s kingdom to give birth.”
sHowever, her son is said to have been born on the way, at Lumbini, in a garden beneath a sal tree.”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha
Israel’s Supreme Court oks the interior minustry stripping terrorists of citizenship but only if they gave another citizenship and the Knesset bill in the works only strips them of citizenship or residency if they received money from the PA and gives it back to them if they return it. Oy.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/356906
@Edgar Common myths, ok? Why are you missing the obvious and why are you responding to my comment instead of the article? You are takng absolutely everything out of context and stringing together non-sequiturs because you are wasting more time doing this than if you would just read the article. I expect that sort of intellectual laziness from certain others, not you.
@SEBASTIEN-
I think you’ve “fallen off the beam”, more than a little, Seb. I just read from you, that Buddha was the result of a virgin birth. Do you realise how crackpot that is.??. . I know little about Buddha, but it seems you are an expert, so I’ll say no more about him except that my vague recollection is that his mother’s name was Maya , or Maiah. In other works no such thing as a “virgin birth”. I recall reading an essay which tried to equate “Maya” with “Mary”. Enthusiastic ignorant followers add all kinds of nonsense..
Look at Kabballah, for instance, such a load of crap, undiluted.
You damned well know that the reputed virgin birth, is, fraudulent and the result of a mistranslation of the Hebrew…which the goyim took form the Septuagint and NOT the Torah. (I always though that “Yeshua” was Aramaic -and interchangeable)_.
The TORAH says “Ha ALMAH’ Not HaBetulah”. So Yechezkiyahu says (of a particular woman nearby) “That young woman HAS CONCIEVED and will shortly bear a son”. The Torah says that shortly after, Hezekiah’s wife had a child, so the fairly sure assumption is that it was the Queen Isaiah referred to.
To show how ridiculous prophesies are, the son was Menassah, a destructive king.
The Septuagint is merely a Greek Translation made for the benefit of the Huge Jewish Community in Alexandria who spoke mainly Greek. (They Egyptian Dynasty, you may recall was Greek).
Anyway, the way you speak it’s as if you are convinced that such a person as Jesus the Saviour really existed. There is NO evidence that such a being ever existed other than the spurious versions of the Gospel, translated, mistranslated, added to, subtracted from, and much else countless times during its early existence.
And when you speak of “The Bible” to what are you referring. ??
Vast portions of the New Testament are KNOWN to be spurious. And a scant basic search can make that clear. The so called “Testimonium Flavianum” is KNOWN to have been a forgery by Eusebius, the famous Church Historian. It’s not called a “forgery” but, euphemistically, an “Interpolation” (which means a pious fraud) .
There are several well known Church historians preceding Eusebius ,none of whom mentioned the Flavian passage, including Origen, who detailed everything else. And Josephus was an avowed Jew who would never make such a remark. The whole spurious passage is about 9 or10 lines. Out of a massive book which details the most ordinary as well as the most important happenings.
And very many sayings and axioms of all religions are similar. A well known fact. nothing extraordinary about that.
I’m tired …..,time for sleep.
@Edgar I,myself, see a couple of etymological mistakes at the end of this excerpt. Jesus’s Hebrew name was Yeshua, the Hebrew of Messiah is Messiach and it’s older than that and didn’t have a divine connotation, Rahula, which means fetter. was the historical Buddha’s son. Mahayana Buddhists, who came later, around the same time as Jesus distinguished between the historical Buddha abd Buddha as a man who became a mon-creator God but the earlier Buddhism, Hinayana, today’s Therevada only had the trappings of religion but just saw him as a teacher.
But most of this excerpt is accurate. Too close to be coincidence. If most of what the bible says about Jesus’s views is a myth, then who are we talking about?
@Edgar and most of Jesus’s life is unaccounted for. He’s introduced at his bar mitzvah and then disappears until he’s around thirty.
“…The accounts commonly known about both Jesus and Buddha are numerous, as indicated below.
* Born as an incarnate god.
* Born from a virgin mother.
* Birth claimed as a divine event and prophesied as the same.
* Birth attended by singing angels.
* Birth attended by wise men bearing gifts.
* Prodigious childhood.
* As a child astounded teachers with knowledge.
* Fasted in the wilderness for forty days.
* Tempted while alone by the devil.
* Resisted the devil successfully.
* After the devil left, supernatural events occurred.
* Were vegetarians (fish excepted).
* Began ministry at thirty years of age.
* Attract large following mostly from lower classes.
* Attracted disciples who traveled with him.
* Attracted one disciple who was treacherous.
* Changed disciples’ names.
* Encouraged celibacy for their disciples.
* Consecrated in a holy river.
* Itinerant ministry instead of at a fixed place.
* Performed miracles such as curing blindness.
* Renounced worldly riches and required the same of their disciples.
* Ministered to outcasts.
* Advocated universal love and peace.
* Taught mostly through use of parables.
* Triumphal entries (in Jerusalem and Rajagripa).
* Gave major sermon from a mound.
* Disregarded by the dominant religious elite (Pharisees and Brahmans).
* Just before death dispatched disciples to preach in other areas.
* Death accompanied by supernatural event.
Both Jesus and Buddha issued moral commandments that prohibited killing, stealing, adultery, false witness, and coveting. Both emphasized the same moral themes: advocate peace, not war; avoid the corruption of wealth; help the poor; abolish slavery and caste systems; abandon self and selfishness; and love your neighbor, even your enemy. Many statements by Jesus resembled those by Buddha, as presented below.
JESUS: “A foolish man, which built his house on sand.”
BUDDHA: “Perishable is a city built on sand.” (30)
JESUS: “Therefore confess your sins one to another, and pray one for another, that you may be healed.”
BUDDHA: “Confess before the world the sins you have committed.” (31)
JESUS: “In him we have redemption through his blood, the foregiveness of sins.”
BUDDHA: “Let all sins that were committed in this world fall on me, that the world may be delivered.” (32)
JESUS: “Do to others as you would have them do to you.”
BUDDHA: “Consider others as yourself.” (33)
JESUS: “If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also.”
BUDDHA: “If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon all desires and utter no evil words.” (34)
JESUS: “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.”
BUDDHA: “Hatreds do not cease in this world by hating, but by love: this is an eternal truth. Overcome anger by love, overcome evil by good.” (35)
JESUS: “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.”
BUDDHA: “Let your thoughts of boundless love pervade the whole world.” (36)
JESUS: “Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to cast a stone at her.”
BUDDHA: “Do not look at the faults of others or what others have done or not done; observe what you yourself have done and have not done.” (37)
JESUS: “You father in heaven makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.”
BUDDHA: “The light of the sun and the moon illuminates the whole world, both him who does well and him who does ill, both him who stands high and him who stands low.” (38)
JESUS: “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.”
BUDDHA: “The avaricious do not go to heaven, the foolish do not extol charity. The wise one, however, rejoicing in charity, becomes thereby happy in the beyond.” (39)
The Hebrew prophecy of the Messiah reflects ancient Indian legends. Jesus’ second coming to abolish evil corresponds with the legend of Krishna, who will return and save the world from evil and the destructive acts of Shiva. According to Serrano, “Three hundred years before the birth of Christ the story of Krishna had already been compiled in India, and had begun to influence the Essenes in the Middle East.” (40) He outlines the parallel Krishna/Messiah legends: “Christ may have evolved from Krishna, the Hindu God-Avatar of Vishnu. Like Krishna, Christ was born of a virgin, and the idea of Mary’s virginity may have been adopted from the Oriental legend. Both Krishna and Christ were born under the tyrants Herod and Kansa who ordered the killing of all the children. Other similarities include each being born at midnight and common character traits. And when they died the heavens were full of signs of their passing.” (41)
As Muller pointed out, the Hebrew name of “Messiah” appears to be etymologically derived from the Sanskrit word of “Maitreya,” in having similar sounds and the same meaning of an anointed figure that is prophesied to appear on earth to save his people. (42) Just as Jews recognized the coming of a Messiah in Old Testament writings, Buddhists read the reappearance of Buddha as the Maitreya in many Sanskrit texts, often referred to him as the prophesied Bagwa Maitreva (white traveler). Both recognized Jesus to be the fulfillment of the Messiah/Maitreya prophecy. There is also the likely derivation of the Old Testament Hebrew name for Jesus as “Ruhullah” from the Buddhist name of “Rhaula” for a disciple of Buddha. (43) In addition, Ahmad notes that Jesus and Buddha were known through virtually identical titles:
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http://www.thezensite.com/non_Zen/Was_Jesus_Buddhist.html
@Edgar The point is there is no way Jesus would not have been exposed to these ideas. Buddhism was 500 years old when he came along. Emperor Ashoka had sent out armies of Buddhist missionaries hundreds of years before. India and Judea had close trade and travel links, for one thing, even if he didn’t go there as has been alleged and disputed, he goes into that.
And many of the sayings, practices, and myths are identical. Uniquely so.
@Edgar You really have to read the article for yourself. Your comments don’t apply. For one thing, Alexander as a person is irrelevant. It’s about Judeas as a hub of international trade and ideas, people from India and Persia. The Essenes were undoubtedly influenced. It’s an in-depth study that considers evidence and different points of view. Also ancient extant texts and alleged witnessses and accounts from Kashmir and Tibet. Even the Muslim accounts. I can’t do it justice. You like to read. Read it.
@SEBASTIEN-
I didn’t think the reference in the single Gospel to the 3 “gifts” left by “the wise men from the east” were indications of the spread of Zoroastrianism all throughout the region. I really don’t.
I also don’t think the reference in a Gospel had anything to do with Alexander. The writers of it likely never heard of him.
Alexander conquered Persia, but there is no evidence that he was affected by Zoroaster. Xenophon had been there 100 years before him, but also brought back no Zoroastrian customs.. Alexander more or less convinced himself that HE was a god. He encountered Buddhism in India in wars against Chandragupta the Mauryan Emperor, but no evidence that he or his troops were affected by it. It was an enemy faith after all.
They were pagans believing in a multitude of gods, whereas my understanding of Zoroastrianism is that it believed in a single universal god, (as typified by the sun.) I think most religions of antiquity except Judaism had a sun god tucked away somewhere in their pantheons.
And where is there any indication of influence in Israel, (being part of the area you refer to) If any HAD crept in, say brought back by returning exiles etc, the middle prophets would have stamped it out.
And there was NO trade route from where the speculative books place Jesus as a Tibetan Buddhist .
There was a TEA route from Tibet ,but not then. The first tea came to Europe, France and Britain only about in the 1600s.
There was a Silk Road since antiquity, Also other luxury Roads, but again, NOT close to Tibet. We know that ancient Traders roved all over, but again, not to Tibet.
Yes lights were a part of Temple ritual, like the perpetual Menorah. but this was not specifically taken from any other religion. It was almost universal that light (maybe a reference to the sun) was a part of many or most religious practices everywhere.
We can agree to differ, No harm.
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I didn’t think the reference in the single Gospel to the 3 “gifts” left by “the wise men from the east” were indications of the spread of Zoroastrianism all throughout the region.
I also don’t think the reference in a Gospel had anything to do with Alexander. The writers of it likely never heard of him.
Alexander conquered Persia, but there is no evidence that he was affected by Zoroaster. Xenophon had been there 100 years before him, but also brought back no Zoroastrian customs.. Alexander more or less convinced himself that HE was a god. He encountered Buddhism in India in wars against Chandragupta the Mauryan Emperor, but no evidence that he or his troops were affected by it. It was an enemy faith after all.
They were pagans believing in a multitude of gods, whereas my understanding of Zoroastrianism is that it believed in a single universal god, (as typified by the sun.) I think most religions of antiquity except Judaism had a sun god tucked away somewhere in their pantheons.
And where is there any indication of influence in Israel, (being part of the area you refer to) If any HAD crept in, say brought back by returning exiles etc, the middle prophets would have stamped it out.
And there was NO trade route from where the speculative books place Jesus as a Tibetan Buddhist .
There was a TEA route from Tibet ,but not then. The first tea came to Europe, France and Britain only about in the 1600s.
There was a Silk Road since antiquity, Also other luxury Roads, but again, NOT close to Tibet. We know that ancient Traders roved all over, but again, not to Tibet.
Yes lights were a part of Temple ritual, like the perpetual Menorah. but this was not specifically taken from any other religion. It was almost universal that light (maybe a reference to the sun) was a part of many or most religious practices everywhere.
We can agree to differ, No harm.