By Ted Belman
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Everyone will be happier.
mrg3105 Said:
As usual you don’t know of about which you are talking.
mrg3105 Said:
Yawl Aussies would be speaking Japanese now if it weren’t for us “good ol’ Boy gun totin Yanks ” . Where were your beloved Brits when you needed them ?
ArnoldHarris Said:
Armold, these two statments are both fallacies.
Just because an individual is armed, does not guarantee surviving being shot at. This includes getting the first draw on the other shooter.
Exactly how many people are you aware of who fell out of an aircraft since the issuing of parachutes? Parachutes are generally only issud to pilots, navigators and other crew in military aircraft. In some cases small aircraft passengers get them also, but they need to be qualified in using one first.
Most parachute jumps occur between 10,000 and 13,000 feet, while static jumps can be as low as 3,500 feet while the plane is typically travelling at between 80 and 110 mph. For altitudes over 15,000 feet suplementary oxygen is required.
Although speeds can vary slightly, the 737-800 travels at approximately 600 mph when at its cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. If you happen to be wearing a parachute when falling out of a commercial aircraft in flight, it wouldn’t matter anyway. The individual would either die of hyperthermia or suffocate, or both, before the parachute can even be opened.
However, even if you happen to fall out of a relatively low-flying aircraft without a parachute, here are the instructions on how to walk (or crawl) away from it http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/question729.htm
honeybee Said:
The Second Amendment is completely unrelated to the other amendments.
Nor does it allow all and sundry to carry firearms outside their private property. SCOTUS is just bad at English, law and rational thinking, and I suppose everyone else is intellectually dishonest.
The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000 to 310,000,000.
High level of firearms in a society means the society is INSECURE. High firearm ownership also makes the United States UNSAFE http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study
United States is the most insecure country in the World as in a comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1, although the feeling of security is slowly rising with a 15% reduction in household firearm ownership since 1973 to 34%.
Over 33,000 people die from firearm-related incidents every year, of which only 2% are from justifiable gun homicide (mostly police use or defence of private property). Since the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, almost 1,800,000 people (mostly American citizens) are estimated to have died from domestic firearms use.
Texas is No.33 on the list of most armed states. However, it is No.2 for gun murders after California. The difference between these two has widened between 2010 and 2012 (FBI), Californians shoot more, and Texans less (or perhaps they are getting worse at hiting anything).
Besides Guam, the safest place to be in USA is Alabamee with 1 gun murder in 2012. Kentucky has the most firearms in private ownership, yet is No.21 on the gun murders list.
honeybee Said:
You understand neither the British Government relationship with the colonies, nor how the Autralian Government works with the Queen as Head of Government.
The British American colonies rebelled because the British Parliament prevented the colonists to buy some comodities outside of the British market. That is the British PARLIAMENT though it could regulate trade in its sovereign territory.
This was the primary cause of the disputation over several years prior to 1776, and in fact the Boston Tea Party could have been the Boston Paint Party or, glass, or some other restricted trade commodity.
Most of what Americans consider ‘freedoms’ won from the British Crown were in fact mostly already available under the English law, but were included for good measure so the Declaration doesn’t look so lacking in social good; very few of the colonists stood to gain from the Independence from the Crown.
@ honeybee:
I don’t know whether or not the 2nd amendment to the US Constitution protects all the other amendments.
But I do know that if you absolutely positively need a gun for purposes of self defense and haven’t got one, you’ll never need anything else again. Sort of like falling out of an aircraft without a parachute.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
@ ArnoldHarris:
The 2nd Amendment protects the other 9 Amendments.
@ honeybee:
I think that all too soon, many if not most of us shall all be appreciating our guns, in regard to their most fundamental function, all things considered in regard to where American society seems headed.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
9@ ArnoldHarris:
Texans don’t ” love ” guns, they appreciate them.
@ honeybee:
How different is the US in comparison with the UK, in regard to capitulating to Islam?
Hope you didn’t get rained out in your part of Texas, like some folks I know in Houston.
Hope also that you had a fun-filled 4th of July. I’m not much of a lover of fireworks. But back in my active shooting years, I got my jollies in submachine gun matches that I helped organize in our part of Wisconsin. Nothing beats the fun of target shooting with a genuine Thompson SMG model M1, with a full magazine of 30 rounds of .45 caliber full metal jacket roundnose hardball ammo.
Texas being a gun-loving state, you must know exactly what I’m talking about.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
@ mar55:
Thank you, we had a great time. The kids blew up firecrackers. Sound like the British bombardment of Manhattan Island.
@ ArnoldHarris:
Considering the British capitulation to the Islam , I must disagree with you.
@ mrg3105:
Some thing the Aussies never had the intestinal fortitude to attempt. You still kneel before the ” Royal Family”.
I know its a little thing, but 4th of July is actually a Rebellion Day because the 13 colonies did not become independent in ther own right or as a group on that day.
The actual date when the United States’ Constitution was ratified by all states (after the Paris Peace Treaty with Britain) is 29 May (1790) when Rhode Island was the last to ratify in a narrow Vote: 34 for, 32 against.
@ mar55:
If Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams and the other founding fathers had thought their United States Supreme Court would not only sanction but also compel universal recognition of homosexual marriages, they might well have pushed the colonists to stick with His Majesty King George the III, and forget all about setting up a United States of America.
It has become all but impossible to predict what societal storm will next overwhelm us here.
An overwhelming surprise almost every month.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
TO ALL AMERICAN PARTICIPANTS IN THIS FORUM:
HAPPY 4TH. OF JULY. CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF OUR NATION.
@ honeybee:
HAPPY 4TH OF JULY! Enjoy your family and Tex’s barbecue.
I’m sure you must have fireworks in Texas. Celebrate! there is lots to celebrate.
dove Said:
Whih is why I asked because I’m always happy to learn
A ‘fishing expedition’ is a contradiction of terms; going fishing requires not an inconsiderable investment in time.
Where did you look?
My understanding is based on the Talmud.
Anyone can take any day off work to relax.
You must get your ideas about Shabbat from somewhere?
I never bit anyone’s head off, so not comparing myself to anyone, though I have a healthy appreciation of the crocodilians
There wasn’t anything sinister in the question.
It seems to me that even if all the American Jews boycott all French manufacturers and service providers, the effect woudl be negligible. Communicating and educating is a far bettter strategy.
mar55 Said:
Very smart, a Jewish snake.
@ honeybee:
I can’t believe you have trained the snake. Ha, ha, ha.
@ dove:
@ honeybee:
plus Babushka:
I have been boycotting anything from the EU. Particularly the French who I dearly love for their altruistic attitude
towards anyone who is not French.
December 14th I bought three frying pans which unlike Teflon, after curing them they would not stick. They are wonderful for your food
because their mineral content. Since I have gone Kosher I decided to open them today. Surprise! they were made in France. I called up Chef catalog and told them how heavy they are. Unlike a carbon steel wok I have which is light and wonderful.
The representative who answered the phone
told me I could exchange them or opt for a refund.
My husband took a look at them and said: The problem is they have been made of old French rifles. They have never been fired and only dropped once.
Needless to say I buy all I can from Israel. I tell people at the market what is going on with the boycott.
For Babushka: Why so many Jews are totally unaware of what is going on with the BSD movement? It is hard to believe they are living in the same planet.
Some people are aware but so many are oblivious to what is going on I can’t believe it.
Let them eat their own production. Not with my money. Boycott French products.
mrg3105 Said:
I have a lovey little Bull snake in my garden, he slithers into the garage in the heat of the day. He is most welcome because he keeps the rodent population in check.
@ mrg3105:
Probably what you don’t!
What about you? Are you on some sort of fishing expedition? Not into the ‘crystal ball’ thanks.
Then your understanding of Shabbat is different than mine…. for me it’s just a day to take a load off , relax, refresh and renew for the week. Who said anything about haredim? I could care less what the extreme left or right do! They are disrespectful to our homeland so I certainly would not look to them as to how to observe Shabbat!
Are you comparing yourself to a dinasaur? That is not very flattering!
I will refrain from ‘biting’ into this comment…..:-)
dove Said:
What do you know?
Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean its notthere. Perhaps you don’t see it because you are looking for a chrystal ball?
It is because I understand what Shabbat is, that I don’t ‘keep’ Shabbat the way haredim do. ‘Keeping’ Shabbat is impossible, certainly outside Israel.
I think you confuse a snake with a dinasaur 🙂
What do you think is it ‘that thing’ that men have about women that snakes do also?
@ mrg3105:
I don’t know what you know (or actually don’t know) but I do know what I know!
I don’t see anywhere that Hashem provided a crystal ball to Moshe from then until?
It’s my duty and pleasure to wish a fellow Jew Shabbat Shalom. I thought that you were religious enough that you wouldn’t bite my head off. (something a snake a would do)
So do men! 🙂
@ yamit82:
All the bees in hive say , ” Thank you”.
@ honeybee:
LOL 🙂
Very demanding Queen!!!
@ mar55:
Yamit82 is exhausted from his duties as a drone. When he recover he will return.
Honeybee, where are you? I know summer is time for the flea market but, release yamit82. We need here his political skills as the Oracle of this forum. When it comes to political analysis of Israeli politics no one can beat his predictions.
Don’t keep the man occupied with flea markets. Send him overhear that we can have a good debate. We have new commenters and debates are always good. It brings clarity to different situations. More than one point of view increases knowledge.
Dove, don’t assume two things: that the obvious is true, and that you know what I know.
Do you really think HaShem would give Moshe all that data and wouldn’t provide evidence for the time when ‘Jews’ would put Him on trial?
Its fascinating that you think I’m off-base with reality, yet you are wishing me Shabbat Shalom.
Beware of snakes in the grass…in the garden 🙂
They have a thing about women you know 😉
Come on……get off the pot.
You know that a spiritual entity is a little different than something that is finite. Proof is required but cannot be given.
I am glad I am not you. Wouldn’t want to be so cocky and so off base with reality.
Shabbat Shalom…a day early. I will be busy in my garden
or sitting lakeside…..
– If you know something, its a fact, and facts don’t need to be proven.
– And yet you state this, which means that what you know (above) is not a fact, and therefore needs proof
That is, you made two self-contradictory statements, both of which are wrong.
1) you don’t know HaShem exists
2) that HaShem’s existance cannot be proven scientifically [its a fact that it can]
Who cares?!
Next time you create the Universe so you can do a better job 🙂
Are you comparing yourself to Moses?
Moses had no right to be ‘displeased’ with HaShem.
Men’s standards are higher in what?
Not all of Human species is created equal.
And, the process of matching HaShem’s standards is not an easy one. You need to find someone who is really good at something, like a sportsperson with a World record, and ask them about potential.
You don’t appreciate the core purpose of Human creation. Human beings are the only part of Creation that have it within them to improve on themselves and the Creation also.
But, to know what is improvement, one has to know what is deterioration first.
Our time in Mitzrayim was HaShem helping us to know what is deterioration.
Any statement that commences with “I believe…” is false.
kol tov
@ mrg3105:
hahaha Mr Judge……very clever. During the Holocaust there was a Jewish group that had a trial and put Hashem on trial. They found Hashem guilty. I am taking a short cut here – don’t want to put in the time to dig up the research on it – it’s summer. I spend very little time online and many days not even near the internet…..thank G-d!
This is deep stuff Mr Judge. Although I know for a fact that Hashem does exist that does not mean I have an obligation to prove it. It can’t be scientifically proved anyway. It also doesn’t mean that I have to be pleased with Hashem – frankly I am not.
Moses wasn’t always pleased with Hashem either. He did not make it to the promised land because of his temperament and repeated stubbornness – not a very good example to set for a leader of the Jewish people.
No doubt that Hashem has high standards – unfortunately mans standards are even higher! This is my issue with Hashem. Why? Why would you create a human race that has such potential for such evil and wickedness? Why don’t you do more to correct it?
I believe Hashem will because ONLY Hashem can.
Dove, you shouldn’t use words that you don’t know the meaning of.
How do you know its the wrong approach if you think not? 🙂
@ mrg3105:
Brainstorming is a very poor technique for getting to the solutions. One problem is that people involved in such sessions often, individually or collaboratively, refuse to acknowledge the problem they really face.
It never hurts to gets things off your chest.
Awwwwww. So sitting back and judging them is going to bring them back to Torah? Throwing Hashem in their face is going to bring them back to Torah? I think not….wrong approach.
dove Said:
Have a wonderful Summer in beautiful Canada !!!!!!!!!!
mrg3105 Said:
Interesting !!! There is a family names Rael who sells items made from feathers at Amer Indian Pow Wows. He is from the Pincurus Pueblo of Northern New Mexico. One of his ancestors was a Sephardic Jew a Conquistador from Spain. I went up to him while he was selling his feather and introduced myself as a member of his tribe. He looked at my ” pale face” and said, ” What tribe is that”?. I said, ” the tribe of Judah”. He was thrilled and told me all about his Jewish antecedents Lovely moment.
I prefer humour to sarcasm.
hahaha…..I expected that. Actually some translations state that Hashem regretted creating human beings which would also include the female if that is any consolation to your obvious tender state…..lol
This is really stupid. If I didn’t regard Canadian law there would be a lot of dead people in my wake but they are not even worth one day of jail.
You will have to wait until next winter. Summer is precious here.
@ Dove
Did you know there was once a city in Europe with a very large Jewish population, which was known as ‘the city of Humour’ because of the unique Jewish culture that existed there. And I was born there.
But Honeybee is right, there is no Jewish ‘humour’ because humour is just whimsical silliness, whereas irony is ‘assumed ignorance’ that translates into sarcasm.
To be ‘funny’ is a form of entertainment, but to be sarcastic is to demonstrate a highly attenuated mindset used as a weapon, since words can ‘kill’. What is one to do when denied the use of physical weapons, and not wanting to play the fool of a stand-up comedian?
I don’t tolerate selective quoting of psukim from the Torah very well, so I will just ignore yours. Just go to the next pasuk, last in that parasha.
Judging is very appropriate for relating to people. Its only modern PC that says one shouldn’t judge others. Before AY was granted kingship, we had judges. Kingship was actually a lowering of ourselves to be a little like the other people of the planet. Where is that kingship gone? Yet a summons to court makes people sick in the stomach.
To be called ‘Jewish’, is to be a notional member of the tribe of Yehuda, within the People Israel. This identity comes only from the Torah, and if one denies their identity, they are not ‘Jewish’.
You have lived 2,000 years that you know what it can do to someone? Warfare can turn a human being into an animal in days, which is why being ‘Jewish’ is more than having a ‘Jewish’ mother. Modern atheism I may note started in the 18th century France (245 years), and France was destroyed within three generations. Four if you count the originator.
An atheist is simply a person without enough knowledge and understanding. It’s actually the easier part to ‘fix’ given the individual is at least intellectually honest to accept scientific evidence when presented.
A greater problem is idolatry of the haredim and ‘secular’ leadership in Israel and diaspora (they worship different ‘gods’). Have you ever considered what the nature of idolatry is?
Brainstorming is a very poor technique for getting to the solutions. One problem is that people involved in such sessions often, individually or collaboratively, refuse to acknowledge the problem they really face.
So what brings people together? (You can answer this in a separate post)
There is no ‘Judaism’. It’s a label we wear like a six-pointed yellow star. There is no ‘religion’ that ‘Jews’ invented the way Hellenised Greeks did, or Arabs did. There is only Torah which was given to a People. No one else can claim this.
There is no ‘torch’ to bear; its not the Olympic gamers! But, you may want to look up the cause of why Moses decided to return to Egypt.
I know many Jewish rabbis, and I totally understand why they became idol worshipers.
Your helpful atheist is simply ignorant since apparently he/she doesn’t understand there is no ‘religion’ as a ‘system of belief’. ‘Religion’ therefore cannot be ‘manmade’. Only ignorance is self-inflicted, and the People Israel has had a lot of ignorance. (cue Honeybee)
Let’s try this experiment. You drive? Drive your car around any way you want, and when the police stop you, you tell them the traffic laws are ‘ingrained in your soul’, but you don’t acknowledge the courts of Canada because you had never seen the people that made up all these laws. You tell them you are a good person, but you just don’t believe in the right of some people to tell other people what to do, and in particular how to drive. 🙂
I am one of those individuals who according to Torah law do NOT need to do anything. Yet I still need to acknowledge HaShem because it is only through this that I don’t need to do anything!
Ever heard of Shema? As a ‘Jew’ it’s going to be your last words in this world, so you had better find out. It seems HaShem DOES want acknowledgement.
And, how does one ingrain something in their soul since their soul isn’t theirs in the first place 🙂
This is what Christianity was all about,, “a bit o’this, a bit o’that”, some ‘Jewish’ stuff mixed with some Greek stuff to make it more palatable.
It’s just not Torah.
You can contact me via email via Ted since I won’t discuss some things in public forums either.
@ bernard ross:
Thanks for the tip. I will try that. I agree that some comments go to spam. If it’s in moderation then it will state that your comment is in moderation.
@ dove:
Dear Dove, My experience with this is that it is not a moderation but a spam filter. the solution is 2 ways:
first, the preventetive is that before you post you copy your post so that you may paste it into an email to Ted if it disappears.
Two, if you forgot to copy before posting then you can click the back button and it usually shows the post before the submit and then you can copy and send to Ted.
I think spam filter might be based on length so sometimes you can re-paste it in parts back on the site.
dove Said:
Not humor, irony !!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W50L4UPfWsg
@ mrg3105:
The last response I posted ‘disappeared’ when I hit the post comment button. I will try to post it again.
This has happened before. It’s very frustrating as it is time consuming. Just ask Bear Klein. I was trying to post a comment to him that kept disappearing and then one day ALL the comments got posted. Bear Klein has rarely spoken to me since. I was upset with his remarks to a very dedicated to the Jewish cause gentile. I still stand by my comments to him. This gentile rarely posts here now and he was definitely an asset.
The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.”
What would you like to discuss?
Not much on an open forum. One of my lines for the Jewish people is The best defense is a good offense.
We need to come together as a people. Judaism will take care of itself. There are enough ready and willing to carry the torch of Judaism. I don’t believe we are living in a time when we should be tearing each other apart. I know some Jewish athiests and I totally understand WHY they are athiest.
One in particular has been more helpful and understanding towards me than any ‘religious’ Jew. Religion is manmade. The Torah comes directly from Hashem and is a way of life. ALL Jews that I know observe the Torah in many ways even though they may not acknowledge it. It is engrained in our souls.
@ mar55:
Hi mar55 have a good trip. Sorry I haven’t been posting, but we have suffered a series of minor calamities. Enjoy your Grandbabies.
@ mar55:
Hi! Glad to here your on the mend again. I have been busy – good busy. Summer is short here so I maximize it. Have fun with your munchkins. 🙂
@ dove:
HI, Dove how are you doing? I’m pack and ready to go to see my munchkins. We always go every three or four months
and this time with the eye operation I lost my vision for five weeks. So many doctors and problems. Getting old is not for sisies.
I hope you are having a great summer with your kids. The weather must be great in Canada. We had a couple of 80 and 90 degrees weather but other than that it has been mild.
Good night. Be back the 22nd. Have a great summer and enjoy your family. Kids grow faster than we would like.
@ mrg3105:
Here we go with the twilight zone again. My comment to you disappeared. I will wait a few days to see if it’s found
@ mrg3105:
Me thinks you may have lost your Jewish sense of humor. 🙂
Actually the mess started long before that and Hashem DID have regrets. Hashem did regret creating man.
I would prefer to discuss how we as a people are going to get through this mess. ‘Judging’ each other is not going to be helpful.
I disagree that there is no such thing as a Jewish athiest. 2000 years in exile – half our population destroyed a new call to destroy all Jews with the ‘final solution’. It can turn a person into an athiest.
I used to think there was no such thing as a Jewish atheist until I met one. We need to brainstorm as to how we are going to get through this. We need to come together as a people.
dove Said:
You can read back what you wrote on your own time.
There are no Jewish atheists, so pick your ‘shoes’ carefully.
This ‘mess’ started with Ishmael.
HaShem intended this ‘mess’ to happen.
How AY deals with it is not how individuals deal with it.
I know you well enough to know you don’t know and understand everything because that is true of every person. If I say something you alredy know or understand, feel free to says so rather than call me condescending. There is a limit to how much mind reading I can do online.
The first rule of self-defnec is – take to the offensive first 🙂
What would you like to discuss?
@ mrg3105:
I don’t recall saying that women are ‘better’ than men….but if the shoe fits I’ll gladly wear it! 🙂 🙂 🙂