By Ted Belman
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
@ honeybee:
I had what it was supposed to be a routine cataract surgery in my right eye. On some experts recommendations
I selected a surgeon who does lots of cataract surgeries.
What happened I do not know. My long distant vision is fine. The vision for reading is not. I’m in the fifth week after the surgery and, I see undefined figures, letters everything. It is like looking through a dirty window. I hope with time it will become clear. Please say a prayer that I can recuperate my vision.
To complete my happiness? Coming out of Shul this afternoon, I miscalculated the distance to the floor. I did not see that I had another step before I reached the bottom. I fell down and hurt my operated knee. I think a day of rest might fix everything. We all can and specially me need Job’s patience.
Tomorrow is the Israel Day Parade. There is a lot of controversy about the Jewish organizations who support the BDS participating in the parade. Under the present conditions is better if I stay at home. I can’t take the subway and parking in Manhattan (where?) I will watch it on TV. I hope you get wonderful weather in Texas. My condolences to TX for the loss of his classmate.
@ honeybee:
I’m sorry about the fatalities the Texas floods have caused.
So many lives have been lost including women and children.
I’m sure many people are grieving over the loss of life.
I have a real NY cheese cake recipe and if I had where to send it. I would send it to you. It requires equal amounts of cream cheese and sour cream.
Also a great recipe for Rice pudding.
The rice pudding recipe is originally from Spain
Sephardi roots.
I do not know what happened to Dove but she is a good
commentator. Interesting and to the point. Dove, I like you do not take any wooden nickels. Yo know your subject
and how to defend yourself and your gender.
I have a friend named Sigrid and she is from the old world.
She loves country music a genre I do not know anything about it. HB, tell me. I think this is very funny:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OOgd9hitEAE?rel=
Do you know anyone who looks like that?
@ mar55:
Cheese cake turned out well. I shall bring some to my friend at the Flea Market. TX’s home town is in morning, one of their brightest and loveliest High School graduates was swept away and drowned in the recent floods.
Chit Chat is accepting comments again.
@ mar55:
I am having TX for Memorial Day BBQ [ only the kosher parts] with potato salad. hahaha Miserable weather.
@ honeybee:
I’m sorry to hear you and Tx are ill. The sudden changes of weather do not help. Having a man in the house with a broken wrist is extra work for you. Do you have help? Then it comes the physical therapy. I wish you luck and hope everything goes
back to normal soon.
@ mrg3105:
honeybee and I were discussing cheese cakes. We both like to cook and bake. She is much better than I am at baking but, we never ask you to come uninvited into our conversation.
I can see what your problem is: It is called self righteousness. Dove is right. Who are you to be intruding yourself and judging people? At one point I thought I might ask you some questions when the time was appropriate.
I have changed my mind. You are too rigid to be able to answer anything whether religious or not. We know we can eat meat also. We simply have very good recipes and wanted to share experiences among ourselves. Go elsewhere with your opinions.
dove Said:
I’m not, and I wasn’t. I think you confused me with Yamit82 on the last claim.
What rule is that? I don’t remember making up any rules.
I called you a feminist for saying women are better than men.
You can add atheist to that if you think HaShem made mistakes in designof either genders.
Having your own mind does not also imply it processess knowledge and produces understanding. Do you know everything?
And when was I talking about Canadian law?
Newton’s 3rd law.
Its a bit more complicated than that, don’t you think?
You keep putting all men in th esame ‘basket’.
I don’t think I’m a ‘bad egg’ if I say so myself 🙂
I have never blamed any woman for convincing me to eat any fruit…or even vegetables. 🙂 [the point here is – be specific]
Man – singular, men – plural.
Which men are you talking about? (I asked this before)
Undoubtedly so since rape is a crime in almost every judicial system. Its just that in the Islamic system a woman has a much harder time proving it.
Stop “it”?! Which is what exactly?
I don’t own a ‘bible’. I am not condescending. To teach is a mitzva encumbant on all Jews, as is one to learn. The big problem is that many people find it hard to admit there are some things they don’t know, and get defensive, the way you are being here. Because you are defensive does not make me ‘condescending’.
You will never make me “eat my words” since this is an idiom 🙂
I have however eaten the word Shalom baked from hallah dough 🙂 I would welcome repeating that expereince with more rasins included 🙂
Thank you, and you also, as well as a wonderful Shabbat and Shavuot. I get an extra day off because my birthday is on isru hag 🙂
This time of the year I get to have my cheesecake, and eat my birthday cake too 🙂
Yes, you have to care before you get to know someone. Its the same with HaShem.
Most people find it uncomfortable when someone who is outside their immediate ‘circle’ (family, close friends) tries to care, because they think they will be used, or will be obligated to care in return, and most people have a limit to how many we can care about.
Having said that, what would you like to know about me?
Nor do I 🙂
yamit82 Said:
If this was true, why would HaShem give Cain a dog 🙂
Its funny that you keep asking me if I’m a karaite and keep calling me an Xtian, but you seem to be unaware that the words of HaZaL are also Torah (not ‘Hebrew Bible’) and it isn’t possible to understand Torah she b’ktav without Torah sheb’al’peh.
‘Free will’ is a non-Jewish concept. The point is that HaShem often says important things that seem ‘minor’ mentions but are in fact core principles that people just miss.
One such principle is that Moshe is called eved HaShem, and this at ta time when he was halakhikly hamelekh Yisrael. If a melekh is an eved, how much more so does this apply to the rest…
Am Yisrael are avdei HaShem and therefore subject to His laws (Torah). Everyone who isn’t a member of Am Yisrael are subject to the laws of ‘nature’.
mar55 Said:
The argument that says Jews didn’t have kashrut laws and therefore had no kosher meat after Matan Torah is incorrect. Aside from kashrut being mesorah from Avrahm Avinu, they had to slaughter lambs for application of blood on door frames in Mitzrayim, and there is no suggestion anywhere that something changed in how this was done after Matan Torah.
That aside, there is no minhag to eat ONLY dairy on Shavuot. In fact meat AND dairy should be consumed, but appropriately separated, on both days.
@ yamit82:
Send tickets,first class , El Al.
@ honeybee:
@ mar55:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mriXncI96lw
@ honeybee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PJzG5cQwBM
@ mar55:
I shall make sure that both I and the cake are worth the trip.
@ honeybee:
Honeybee: if you are going to make yamkit82 go all the way from Dimona to Texas you have to be generous. Being the generous person you are you must bake bake one or two whole cakes for him alone. It is a costly trip to make for
only a piece of cake.
@ mar55:
Thanks for the tip. Tx had surgery on his wrist and we both have been ill, but are now improving. I have several recipes pulse my own. Have a joyful holiday.
@ honeybee:
It is better to bake cheesecake ahead of time because it taste better after settling in the fridge for two or three days. It is easy to prepare but it takes time to bake them.
I turn the oven off after baking it for the recommended amount of time and then leave it in the oven until the oven is cool and keep it there until it cools off. It avoids any cracks or separation in the middle. After it is cold I put it in the fridge. Good luck and enjoy it.
This year one is enough. Will be busy From Saturday in the evening until Sunday and part of Monday.
@ mar55:
I am baking cheesecake tomorrow and will share it with friends. It does not mail very well, so Yamit82 will have to “comma on to my house” for his share.
Have a Good Holiday Everyone !!!!!!!!!
@ honeybee:
HONEYBEE, On this coming Saturday at 9.01PM Shabbat ends and Shavuot begins. This is celebrating when G-d gave the
Torah to the Jewish people on Mount Sinai. Just to remind you to bake some cheese cakes for yamit82 for the celebration. Remember the celebration with dairy? For my part, I’m not baking NY cheesecake this year. Blueberry blintzes with sour cream. I can’t read or write too well.
Long distant vision is OK. Just reading a page give me a very bad headache. I’ll celebrate with a couple of friends,
yamit82 Said:
Yeah !!!!!!!!!!
yamit82 Said:
Igmar Bergman
yamit82 Said:
No that is Sarah thumping !!!!!!
mrg3105 Said:
God never performs clear-cut miracles. The parting of the Reed Sea evidently left a good number of Jews unconvinced, as they soon complained of the lack of food and water. Indeed, that miracle looked like anything but a miracle: the eastward wind, blowing all night, pushed shallow waters from the reed swamp and made it crossable on foot, while still impassible for the Egyptian heavy chariots, which, the Torah says, were stuck in the mud and lost their wheels. The Purim miracles were even more sublime: of his entire harem, the Persian despot became madly attracted to his old Jewish wife—who surely looked sorrowful after a three-day fast—and followed her whims. The Israeli victories in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 can be logically explained by peculiar military circumstances. After all, even a coin thrown up into the air can land on its edge. But after Yitzhak Shamir agreed to the Madrid Conference, which was the beginning of the giveaway of Judea to the Arabs, thirty-nine SCUD missiles hit Israel—the maximum number of lashes under the Torah’s law. Like under lashes, no one died from the Iraqi missiles.
The Torah tells us to exterminate Amalek, but to evict the Canaanite nations—not kill them. God even promised to plant terror in their hearts so that they would flee from us. In 1948, 400,000 Palestinian Arabs took off from their land and fled the country for no rational reason.
The prophetic vision has exploded. Prophets were rare in biblical times—hardly two dozen in a thousand years—but recently the prophecy surged. There are a lot of credible accounts of prominent rabbis predicting the realized events. Some great ones predicted remote events, such as when Rabbi Nahman of Uman refused to conduct marriage ceremonies because the generation a hundred years from him would be better not born; that generation perished in Ukrainian pogroms and in the Holocaust. Rav Kaduri, the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Bava Salia, and less prominent rabbis established their prophetic abilities beyond doubt.
Our times saw Cain’s curses being lifted. Anesthesia and advanced medical procedures help alleviate women’s pain during childbirth. Advances in agriculture mean that men no longer need to toil to the point of exhaustion for their sustenance. Health improvements have increased everyone’s life expectancy, and stem cells theoretically offer an almost unlimited life span.
History has always shamed those who predicted its end, and in no century was there a shortage of doomsayers. I’m not eager to join their ridiculed ranks, but there are some arguments beyond the claims of the Mayan calendar watchers that time runs faster now as the end of our cycle draws near. Even Rambam, though he quoted the Talmudic curse on those who calculate the end of times, offered his own estimate, which is now long expired.
God offered a forty-day grace period to Nineveh, and forty years to Judea after Israel was destroyed. Nineveh repented and survived, but Judea didn’t and perished. In the current Israel, Jews first rebelled against the divine will in 1967 when we failed to annex the land of Judea which God delivered into our hands miraculously. God slapped us with the Yom Kippur war, and saved us in it. Then we sinned irreparably by giving away Sinai, the Promised Land. Did 1978 start a forty-year countdown?
There is a place in Esther 9 where, very unusually, four Hebrew letters are of non-standard size. The sages have long maintained that this is a prophecy. The four letters make the number 5-707, which is the Hebrew equivalent to the Gregorian year 1946-1947. That year ten Nazis were hanged in Nuremberg, and the transvestite Goring committed suicide. In Esther, Haman’s ten sons are hanged, and his daughter committed suicide, according to a midrash. To drive the point home to Jews, one of the Nazis, whose name does not deserve to be mentioned, screamed “The Purim 1946” at the gallows. In Esther 3, eleven months passed from the king’s order for the extermination of the Jews to their salvation; eleven years passed from the 1935 Nuremberg laws to the 1946 Nuremberg trials. In 1953, Stalin died during or just before Purim, days before the planned date that all Soviet Jews would be wiped out by transferring them to the coldest place in Siberia.
There are other strange correlations, including the number of Jews killed fighting for Jerusalem in 1967, the number of years between independence and capturing the Temple Mount (same as for King Jehoiakim), and many others. Every such oddity can be explained rationally—it is a matter of Jewish belief that God performs miracles without violating the laws of nature—but there are just too many coincidences.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAcLFA_Dajs
honeybee Said:
To confuse us and keep us in perpetual confusion?
dove Said:
Care to name names???? 😀
@ mrg3105:
You cite only abstractions and hint that HP lacks discernment but you have not cited one example showing her to be in error. Put up or shut up.
@ honeybee:
Clip barred byu YouTube in Israel
dove Said:
Genesis 21:12 where G-d tells Abraham “all that Sarah says to you, listen to her voice”
Is this bible thumping??? 😛
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@ mrg3105:
Stop being a hypocrite. You have no business judging any Jew in the Diaspora for not living in Israel since you do not live in Israel either. Do you think that only you are an exception to the rule?
It is also very sad that a woman is labeled feminist just for opposing how man treats her or perceives her. We have our own mind thank you very much. It’s been less than a hundred years since women in Canada have been declared human beings according to the law.
The feminist movement has done us more harm than good. Men are digging their heels in even deeper than before.
If the Jewish man, or the Catholic man or the Christian man or the Buddist man etc had ‘gotten it right’ we wouldn’t have to be dealing with the head choppin, knife wielding, suicide bombing raping Muslim man the way we now have to.
True, there are evil women too. Some are suicide bombers, genital choppers…but that does not excuse man or lessen his accountability.
As I said before….when Adam was walking in the garden after his sin – he tried to blame woman! The same still goes on today!
Man tries to keep us in ‘our place’. Either physically, financially or just plain bullying.
Man will be held accountable. The jig is up. I can’t find Caroline Glicks column describing rape – and how there is this concept out there that somehow we deserve it or asked for it. Even the women who are clad from head to toe cant escape it – its worse for them!
I have no interest in the barbaric man. And the so called good men do not do enough to stop it.
You don’t know me and I don’t know you. Just don’t try and bible thump me about the role of woman. How condescending of you!
Some day when you do know who I am, and the type of person I am I will be happy to see you eat your words!! Have a nice day. Actually your pretty decent so far compared to some other posters. I say so far because I don’t know enough about you or even care to.
This is not facebook – something I do not subscribe to.
yamit82 Said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouKKCbcmajc
@ mrg3105:
mrg3105 I don’t believe you are Jewish and if you are your knowledge is based on secular understandings of Judaism. mostly sounds like christian to my ear. You don’t know Tanach that’s obvious.
yamit82 Said:
http://biblehub.com/joshua/24-15.htm
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honeybee Said:
He did!!! All the forefathers and mothers had free will and they all sinned and were punished and rewarded.
@ mrg3105:
Do you attribute the concept of free will to other sources other than Jewish? If you do then state who and where.
The most profound and definitive declaration to be found anywhere in the Hebrew Bible concerning a human being’s relationship to Sin, Redemption and Free Will, the God of Israel explains to Adam’s son Cain (after He has rejected Cain’s agricultural offering as being insincere) that every human being, even after abysmal failure, has been gifted by Him with the ability to triumph anew over Temptation by choosing Good over Evil. As the Hebrew Bible relates:
Consequently, Judaism rejects the concept of the “Curse of Original Sin”.
mrg3105 Said:
“Put not your faith in Princes”
mrg3105 Said:
Citron?
mrg3105 Said:
Boy were shepherds.
mrg3105 Said:
Being a Prince is the essence of indulgence.
mrg3105 Said:
Goats, cattle?
mrg3105 Said:
Really did a women have a choice in mar rage?
mrg3105 Said:
Esau was pissed.
mrg3105 Said:
Abraham had “free will”.
honeybee Said:
Why pomegranate?
We first encounter David when he was no longer a boy, so you are factually wrong. Or do you have a habit of patronising kings of Israel?
You have specific information that Moses was ‘indulged’?
Avraham didn’t wonder (see Lekh Lekha) and he din’t (at least initially) have sheep.
Just so you know, in ancient times many people had multiple names, so Lappidoth was one and the same with Barak, who’s real name is asserted by one source to have been Michael. Moses had seven names.
a woman who marries a soldier the son of a soldier has character, not taste.
People used to get names which had meanings that described their essence as human beings beyond the simplistic observations you fling at persons after whom many name their children.
Tricking?
I don’t recall anyone claiming they were tricked.
There is a difference betweenthe brain and a mind, and to understand the mind of HaShem, it takes a differently-structured brain to that for example of the Greeks. The Greeks were somewhat confused about the psyche, just as most people are confused about what ‘soul’ means in ancient German.
‘Free will’ is not a Jewish concept. If you can’t be bothered to read the Torah, at least look in Wikipedia “Since the term “free will” (liberum arbitrium) was introduced by Christian philosophy (4th century CE) it has always meant (until the Enlightenment proposed its own meanings) lack of necessity in human will”
mrg3105 Said:
Alright already a pomegranate.
mrg3105 Said:
Goodness mgrn3051, David was a busy boy.
mrg3105 Said:
All Princes of Egypt were indulged.
mrg3105 Said:
I should have said wandered about chasing sheep.
mrg3105 Said:
Barak was not Deborah’s husband.
mrg3105 Said:
A woman with taste .
mrg3105 Said:
So alright, already tent wives
mrg3105 Said:
Tricking his brother, father and father-in-law.
mrg3105 Said:
Yes. Why else would The Almighty gift us with a brain, soul, and free will.
honeybee Said:
honeybee Said:
All this suggests that you are reading from the King James Version and not Torah. Its actually a debate among four opinions, none of which were apple.
There was no apple involved in the Adam and Hava story.
David was a sheppard, which was long before he looked for a wife, and to understand his stories that involve women, one needs to look beyond the superficial generalisations you are so fond of.
Your impression of Moses must be based on the cartoon.
Abraham never ‘wondered’.
Calling Barak a farmer is like saying Shelomo HaMelekh was a farmer; all of Am Yisrael had a portion of the land, and it was cultivated. In fact Barak was a soldier, son of a soldier, Abinoam being the commander that defeated Jobin’s army. [there is an interesting connection here to the 44th US president] So, what sort of a woman marries a soldier the son of a soldier?
Rebekah, Leah and Rachel were not just ‘housewives’.
In what way was Jacob ‘underhanded’?
If you can say that Shelomo indulged his Egyptian wife in idol worship, than you quite simply don’t see anything past the veneer of the written word.
Do you think that the Torah was given so just anyone could open it and starts interpreting the words of a living God and His servants?!
yamit82 Said:
First I must eat an apple !!!!!!!
mrg3105 Said:
They were average ” Joes” who rose to the occasion. Wasn’t David a Sheppard boy with an eye for the Ladies. ! Moses a spoiled indulged Prince. Abraham a wandering nomad. Deborah was a farmers wife. Rebekah, Leah and Rachel were housewives. Jacob was a bit underhanded. Solomon indulged his Egyptian wife idol worship.
dove Said:
I have been watching a Canadian program called ” Survivor Man” . Canada is a beautiful place in which to be stuck.
yamit82 Said:
first time I heard a good argument from a Lubie that didn’t mentionthe Rebbe
dove Said:
I must have missed the entire post since I didn’t see any reasoning you put worward as to why you can’t move to Israel. However, you don’t need to offer any reasons anyway, and certainly not to me.
You may not think you are a feminist, but acculturation and cultural indoctrinationare often subliminal. To acknowledge ‘Mother’s Day’ is to acknowledge the concept behind its creation, and therefore the culture that created it. In doing so you compromise your own culture, becoming a little less Jewish. Think of it as a glass half full with oil. Adding drops of water will eventually displace all oil.
Its men for plural.
Are you comparing pshat Torah b’Breishit to your secular Canadian environment?! Are you comparing Adam HaRishon without whom David HaMelekh would have never survived birth to people you meet in your daily life?
“Women – generally speaking have a much harder crueller life than Hashem would desire. Hashem has heard the cry of woman and will answer. Man has failed again. Pure and simple.”
Which women, and why?
You know what HaShem desires for EVERY woman?
There is nothing ‘pure and simple’ about what you say.
There is no ‘men’ or ‘women’ here. Its either the People Israel as a whole or not. I doubt this aspect of Mitzrayim will repeat the next time, and lots of people will just ‘die’ in the dark.
This ‘us vs. them’ attitude is very very feminist. It is alien to Jewish thinking. Even when Miryam was b’tzarat, the whole of the People waited for her.
AY is described as leaving Mitzrayim as an army. One of the core principles that makes for a strong army is its cohesion, ensured by the knowledge of unity of purpose and that no one is left behind.
honeybee Said:
clearly they were not average Joes, right?
That only goes for non-Jews.
For Jews the obligation is to learn and to teach
Not that I’m saying anything new since its all there already
Some people just won’t listen the first time
dove Said:
Learn something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VJWYPokBPw
@ mrg3105:
I’m stuck here in Canada – not going to go into detail again – you missed the reasoning. Would much rather be in Israel – will be as soon as I am able. Not a feminist either.
I know Jews don’t celebrate Mothers Day but I don’t feel the need to correct every Jew on that. It is ok to acknowledge it.
Hint – Who did Adam blame when he sinned in the Garden? It is way past time for man to take accountability and responsibility rather than dumping the grief onto woman.
Of course women need to take responsibility – if they can. Women – generally speaking have a much harder crueller life than Hashem would desire. Hashem has heard the cry of woman and will answer. Man has failed again. Pure and simple.
mrg3105 Said:
Deborah,Barak, Moses were human with all the accompanying foibles and failures. .
mrg3105 Said:
Don’t about know Australia, but here in Texas when some starts speaking for The Almighty, we send then to the “funny farm” or make an Evangelical Preacher of them.
honeybee Said:
No, says HaShem.
It is a major misinterpretation of prophecy that it is about foretelling the future. Its not.
True vision is not seeing further, its seeing deeper.
Hoze is a state of nevua only marginally lower than that of Moshe, but he fortold no future.
mrg3105 Said:
“Says you” Popeye the Sailorman