By Ted Belman
From now on comments on every post must relate to the content of the post.
Comments that don’t relate to the post must go here.
Any person who contravenes this demand will be put on moderation. Also their offending comment will be trashed.
The reason for this demand is so that people who want to read comments which pertain to the post, don’t have to wade through the chatter.
Everyone will be happier.
@ honeybee:
honeybee, I’m sending this to cheer everyone up.
TEXAs TENORS
https://www.youtube.com/embed/daqwGRdRIsk?feature=player_detailpage
Enjoy it!
dove Said:
Of course, Darlin, she’s always on the top of the list.
@ honeybee:
or Lillith! 😉
@ dove:
Thank you dove. Don’t forget Devra, Yael and Judith. Jewish women have admirable history.
@ mrg3105:
You can be an American or Jewish, not both
mrg3105 Said:
You have cruelly maligned Dove !!!!!!!! She is a Canadian.
Can you be Jewish and Texan?
mrg3105 Said:
Something we has in common with Australia.
honeybee Said:
Everything is big in Texas, including assholes
dove Said:
Dove, you have to choose
You can be an American or Jewish, not both
mrg3105 Said:
C. Because it’s old and limp
@ mrg3105:
🙂 Fast forward 75 years. Get ready for Moshiakh. I know there is still this male pride ego thing – prevents from ‘crying out’. I took a detour around that! Not waiting for another holocaust!
honeybee Said:
A. because Jewish whips don’t ‘snap’,
B. because I hadn’t used it yet
dove Said:
Dove, with all due respect, you are not thinking conceptually.
Had Am Yisrael cried out in 1933-45, Moshiakh would have come in 1946…he didn’t.
yamit82 Said:
You got this from whom?
Avram didn’t OWN the land yet. However, he did have ruakh hakodesh
See Devarim 12:20
Say you
And the saving of Yosef was not enough?
“Giving the Torah was a one-time act, a ceremony. It isn’t a process;
Israel Scheib was wrong. It is a 40-step process
LOL
Could you narrow it down to perhaps a verse or a sugiya?
Sorry, I don’t have the time to read Mark and Jesse’s take on Jewish history.
I gather your oy is a retort to my nu, but my nu means something, though not if you use the Ashkenazi siddur.
What does oy mean?
mrg3105 Said:
Sugar, I hate inform you, but your whip ain’t got no snap !!!!!!!!!!
@ mrg3105:
I also come from a family of lawyers
@ mrg3105:
There is no justification for Jews living in Israel if you only think of it in terms of the ‘Holocaust’ as commonly perceived.
The vast number of its victims went to their deaths never having cried out to HaShem
Again I disagree that we have not hit the crying out stage. Women certainly have!
I agree the holocaust started before and it is still not finished. Israel is still technically dealing with the end of WWII before we have WWIII.
I think that this time the plans will not prevail. Hashem will step in. I have experienced it in my life so I have the proof for me.
yamit82 Said:
Free will, it ain’t the Marines ????
yamit82 Said:
We in a tortuous maze controlled be an maniacal god, sounds like the Mayan religion.
Comment in moderation.
Abraham sinned by making a treaty with Avimelech, his children and grandchildren and he gave them seven sheep G-d was angered because the land , with Avimelech of the Pelishtim was in the borders of the Land Of Israel That G-d had given to Abraham and his descendents. G-d had commanded them “do not allow any to live… “!!! (Deut 20:16)
Punishment Israel would not conquer those lands for 7 generations and 7 great leaders of Israel would die violently. The Rashbam concludes that the Akaida was a test of obedience derived from faith.
mrg3105 Said:
Euphemism for state of suffering, nothing more!!!!
Yes an answer but unfortunately the wrong one. They had to personally witness the great power of G-d. Giving the Torah was indeed a matter for weeks; for it to be accepted, dozens or even hundreds of years had to pass, and some say – it still hasn’t been really accepted.
Then you are ignorant of Islam go and study.
G-d does not need or want slaves nor more angels he does want obedient servants. He does not want or expect perfection that’s why in Judaism the path is what is important not the results. We are a work in progress and HaShems experimental mice.
Ha Ha The Tanach for starters and all of Jewish History including the Shoah!! 🙂
In what way?
OY!!!!!! 🙂
EXPLAINING THE UNEXPLAINABLE:
THE SHOAH AND LOVE OF THE EXILE
dove Said:
Very good thoughts and post.
mrg3105 Said:
See above !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
honeybee Said:
Did I complain?
Its a case of “easier said than done” for me.
dove Said:
Just a reminder that being Jewish I don’t deal in beliefs.
There is no justification for Jews living in Israel if you only think of it in terms of the ‘Holocaust’ as commonly perceived.
The vast number of its victims went to their deaths never having cried out to HaShem. But, historical perspectives are somewhat distorted by perceptions influenced by trauma.
Collectively we aren’t at the ‘cried out’ stage of our galut.
Consider for example that the 1933-45 Holocaust is not the WHOLE Holocaust, which is in fact the parallel expereince to that of Mitrayim. It started much earlier, and hasn’t ended yet.
yamit82 Said:
Am Yisrael cried out…
HaShem
[An answer] They had to learn what ‘really bad’ is like so they could be really good.
Love
God’s punishment?
Had they refused, they would have retained the mentality of slaves, and there were already large populations of slaves in the World. HaShem needed His own slaves, not Pharoh’s slaves.
I have great admiration for the asses; very loyal, social, clever and hard working animals. Perhaps I can acquire one when I move to EY. They are not usually noisy, and when vocalising, are not always loud.
If you were right, there wouldn’t be any Mizrakhi, Maghrebi, Mitzri or Turkie Jews left by now.
What is your source for this?
In what way?
If you think about it, ‘forgetting nothing’ is I think cognitivelly impossible 🙂
I don’t have an eidetic memory B”H
nu
@ mrg3105:
I believe the ‘crying out’ did occur during the Holocaust – hence we are being returned to our homeland. How else can you justify the Jewish people thriving in Israel amidst so much terror and surrounded by enemies? It is Hashem slowly at work with us. Shabbat Shalom! Have a good weekend!
yamit82 Said:
Ay was killed in a military coup. Still popular even today in modern Egypt.
mrg3105 Said:
So immigrate Israel and cry out!!!! I dislike those who forever complain , yet never offer solutions.
yamit82 Said:
I beg to differ with that statement, Bugsy.
mrg3105 Said:
What a load of Gibberish….Cried out? Ha Ha “AY” Egyptian Pharaoh? Murdered his predecessor and was himself probably murdered by his own son. Oh you must mean he was a monotheist reformer? I doubt it? Even so there is no evidence that their god was the same as the Hebrew one. One size does not fit all. Neither do the christians or Muslims believe in the same god as the Jews whether they are monotheistic or not.
Cried out??? Question for you oh Great Tamid Chacham… Who placed the Jews in Egypt in the first place? For What purpose? Why did HaShem think it necessary to test Abraham with the ‘Akaida’? What was G-d’s punishment? May refer to the midrash of HaShem forcing the Jews to accept the Torah by threatening to kill the Hebrews if they refused to accept? Cried out my ass!!!! Lastly I make the point that your point is irrelevant even inane.
Our conflict with the Arabs is NOT territorial it is theologically based. There is collective responsibility and collective punishment. Not only for the Jews but for their Gentile friends and enemies as well. Holocaust is a prime example. Appears u have learned nothing and forgot nothing. 😛
mrg3105 Said:
Appears Yakking is your thing afterall. How’s the grass:?
mrg3105 Said:
Unless they spell differently in Australia characteriusation is spelled characteriZation 😉
I come from a family of gangsters and villains, so what’s your point if any? Lawyers have no sense of humor unless they come with high fees?
I think you qualify even without knowing you. 😀 😛
mrg3105 Said:
Appears Yakking is your thing afterall. How’s the grass:?
@ mrg3105:
The title of the video is somewhat incorrect. You would have to see it to know what I mean. It does explain how the situation got corrected and the advertising campaign in nearby countries to discourage migrants. It’s a good video. Good for Australia for fixing the problem without just letting possible innocents die.
dove Said:
I summarised for everyone that didn’t listen to the video
@ mrg3105:
I know. If you took the time to listen to the 5 min video I posted it explains just that. 🙂
@ dove:
Australia does not have a 0 tollerance to migrants.
It has a controlled immigration program.
What it has is a 0 tollerance for is people seeking to avoid the formal immigartion process through entering the country using people smugglers by claiming POLITICAL refugee status which Australia is obligated to satisfy but in fact being ECONOMIC refugees.
Moreover, there is the issue of security risk when people who are neither POLITICAL nor ECONOMIC refugees seeking entry.
Under the Labour governments the gates of Australia were flung open, and this has now been corrected.
@ Dove,
In both cases the groups of people concerned had denied HaShem, and yet both Avram and Moshe had sought to offer the offenders every opportunity to avoid HaShem’s punishment. [Note the ‘cried out’ used in the story of Gemora and that of AY in Mitzrayim]
In modern Israel no one has ‘cried out’ yet. Haredim may say they do, but they are not prepared to fight for it as Avram and Moshe did, so they don’t matter.
The case with Arabs is different.
They are more monotheistic than the Xtians, and their dispute is over land ownership, not simple case of being ‘evil’ and seeking destruction.
Despite some individuals being clearly evil, the case is taken as one of representing the entire group (shtuk), so judging the entire group is not like judging the individual.
There are then two very different problems involved: defence of the Land and People of Israel, and resolution of the claim for property. The first deals with individuals, the second with the group.
Torah does not provide for wanton destruction of civilians even in a war of conquest. On the other hand the Torah insists on proactive pre-emptive action to prevent assaults.
The problematic nature of this is that the general ‘illness’ of the Arab society is causing the individuals (the ‘symptoms’) within it to be aggressive towards Israel. People often quote that there are over a billion Muslims in the World, yet the number that would assault Israel has been but a very small percentage of this, and even when they did, the assault was largely ineffective because individuals involved were not really committed to the violence against EY or AY as a group (e.g. 1973).
I’m not a medical person, but I think of it as an analogy where a general illness is causing specific debilitating symptoms in a patient. Continually treating the symptoms without addressing the cause of the general illness WILL kill the patient.
In such a case the root cause needs to be addressed as a priority.
THIS is not being done by either the UN, the international community, or Israeli Government. And, the longer the ‘disease’ persists, the more desperate the ‘patient’ becomes. Use of UN facilities in Gaza (and likely elesewhere) essentially compromised the role the UN is supposed to play in regard to the Arab displaced population; the ‘patient’ has started to tell the ‘doctor’ what to do.
There needs to be a different solution for the sake of those Arabs who are not out to butcher every Jew in EY. I think this is an attainable strategic result by other means than either warfare or ‘negotiation’. Unfortunatelly communicating the solution is somewhat difficult when the people who’s job it is will not respond.
@ mrg3105:
?? Because of evil and destruction. A few examples. Parting of the sea, The flood, Pillar of salt, Sodom and Gammorah. Look it up. The list is quite lengthy.
Why would HaShem want to kill His own creations?
Dove, all the answers on how to survive, prevail and succeeed are already in our hands. Its just a matter of paying attention 🙂
http://www.wibbitz.com/watch/?id=b529016edd6484075bfdd2012ac903dfd
There were 2000 Israelis in Nepal. Only one now is unaccounted for. Israel has the largest team effort of the world assisting Nepal with this horrendous disaster. Israel sent 250 doctors and field workers and set up a 60 bed unit.
This is what we do….even while a gun is being held to our heads. Jews don’t like to kill. This is one of the reasons why we try to find ‘another way’ out. We rather Hashem fight our battles for us – let Hashem do the killing.
We allow the world to label us as evil, aggressive, blood thirsty varmits. Not good!
yamit82 Said:
I have made it VERY CLEAR to you specifically, more than once, that some information is not for public forums. YOU ignore this. Clearly what you DON’T KNOW is an opportunity to learn.
@ mrg3105:
Stuff it where the sun don’t shine…. if you got something to say or contribute then say it but u never do. You are a wordsmith provacateur. You never make your point if you indeed ever have one…. 😛
“Intelligent people know of what they speak; fools speak of what they know.” I think they had you in mind when they penned this. 🙂
@ mrg3105:
Kudos to Australia!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=APzoxvhWGyY
@ mrg3105:
I know what you mean. Been there. Thanks for your input here. I am getting into my busy season. Winter just ended. I spend a lot of time outdoors in the Spring and Summer months – especially since they are so short. I will be spending less time online.
dove Said:
If you mean that I seek ‘to send’ a message akin to the ‘cracking of a whip’, that would be correct.
On the other hand there are people that find it threatening when someone disagrees with them, or worse, questions their ‘knowledge’. To them, I may be something different.
It is often the case that people incapable of continuing a civil conversation where they need to listen, are reduced to profanity and abuse, a strategy designed to end discussion lest they be shown more wrong. A defensive mechanism, as psychologists call it.
@ mrg3105:
I just heard a rumor. Please tell me it isn`t true. Are you really a pompous jerk
@ mar55:
That`s cute mar55!
@ Bear Klein:
I just received something humorous.It might clear the air a bit.
Pinocchio, Snow White and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day.
As they walk, they come across a sign:
“Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world.”
“I am entering” said Snow White.
After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, “Well, how did you do?”
“First Place,” said Snow White.
They continue walking and they see a sign:
“Contest for the strongest man in the world.”
“I’m entering,” says Superman.
After half an hour he returns and they ask him, “How did you make out?”
“First Place,” answers Superman. “Did you ever doubt?”
They continue walking when they see a sign:
“Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?”
Pinocchio says “this is mine.”
Half an hour later, he returns with tears in his eyes.
“What happened?” they asked.
“Who the hell is Hillary Clinton?” asked Pinocchio.
@ Bear Klein:
Yes Bear, I spend only a few days at home. Some friends had invited me. The problem is, I have lots of sweet leftovers and have been eating them. I have saved the rest for when I visit my daughter who lives about six hours away from us. I have put on five pound and must take them off. I hope you had a nice Pesach. My first night was a lot of fun. Singing and enjoying the company. I went to service before the evening. Prayer before fun for me. Thank you.
@ mar55</a>: I do not usually look at the ChitChat and so now I saw Pesach Greetings. Thank you! And post holiday I hope you had a fine holiday!