By Ted Belman
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@ mrg3105:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GknTgtjG6iU&list=PL2B897EBD98A5C3C6&index=2
@ mrg3105:
http://www.edenics.org/
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/36_home.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naHbB15Eav8
Anne, since the vast majority of early non-Jewish xtians were Greeks, it is important to understand that population, its culture and its mentality.
Greeks are notorious plagiarisers, but were culturally haughty. It was ‘below them’ to learn the cultures of others since theirs was ‘best’.
They did however borrow a vast amount of knowledge from Yisraelim, but got very many things wrong. Very many.
Linguistics is the last vestige of sanctioned anti-Jewishness. It purports to show that the roots of European languages are in Greek and Sanskrit rather than Ivrit as was considered until mid-18th century. So a new pseudo-science was invented to find these ‘roots’ through imagined vocabulary of populations who no longer exist and left no written record.
It is for this reason that you say Canon comes from a Greek word kanon, meaning “measuring stick”. Transmission of words and their etymologies in the ancient times was not a scientific process. Neither those teaching their own language to prospective learners not the potential students had any idea about lexicon or word formation, or grammar, etc. Moreover, Greeks had no writing at all, and Ivrit is written without vowels, so its a matter of repetition to know what word sound is associated with the meaning.
I imagine what happened is that some Greek traveller was shown a process by which real estate property, a field, is transferred in ownership. Prior to to payment the field is measured. The buyer goes up to the field “olim peya”, and measures the property, “qinyan”, with a stick “q’neh” (q’neh-middah).
The reason this acquired the meaning of “Church law” is because what the Greeks got out of the exchange is that property sale was derived from Torah, a law which obligated an orderly and lawful transaction, and not one based on Greek practice of threatened ‘negotiations’ and barter. The ‘measuring stick’ then became Greek ‘law’. 🙂
The problem though is that many concepts were ‘lost in translation’ when Greeks took up ‘xtianity’. This was a continuity in the trend that started when Greeks and Yisraelim first met in the peloponnesian peninsula. Greeks mayhave asked “what is this place called?”, and eventually got an answer “Evri po” because the place had no name in Ivrit, being located outside of Eretz Yisrael. So Greeks called it Evropa.
At another time some Greek philosopther decided to debate a Yehudi on the merits of popular election of community leadership. The Yehudi of course tried to explain what happened to Korakh, and likely repeated, adam keret which the Greek took back with him as ‘dam korat’ which became democrat eventually. The moral of the story was lost in translation, but the terminology, corrupted by time, remained.
these are just a tiny sample of the ‘lost in transmission’ effects that occurred between Greeks and Yehudim. It is the reason 70 Yehudi teachers (rabbis) were asked to translate the Torah and not Greeks. Yehudim have a very different attitude to learning other languages.
Now try reading NT in Greek, keeping in mind that many consepts were taken from the Yehudi culture and language with similar vagueness and sometimes wrongfulness in translation. It is what we call a ‘chollent’ 🙂 You throw everything in, add slat and pepper, and hope that after the meat has cooked ‘off the bone’, the guests will appreciate the ‘effort’ 🙂
But it isn’t actually ‘cooking’ though many a person has waxed lyrical about their ‘recipe’. Cooking requires education on the production of food produce, the understanding of ingredients and their combination, and the control of heat in application to different cooking ingredients that few ordinary people have.
Greeks too had 0 education in law, yet they professed themselves to be ‘wise’. Where is that ‘wisdom’ now?
dweller Said:
Hindus, Buddhists and hundreds of other religious and national creeds will disagree with you and I disagree with you. Jews were given the Tanach and the gentiles including you were given the laws of Noah. There isn’t according to Jewish belief and tradition anything in between.
If you want to play the numbers game more people reject your screed than believe in it and even fewer accept it.
Islam is closer to Judaism than is your christianity.
@ Anne:
perhaps the post you addressed to me was to her. You must press the reply button under the name of the person you are addressing it to and then write in the comment box unless you address it to no one.
the one you addressed to Ted bore my name, look above and see
@ dove:
Liked your reply to Anne,” you done good girl”.
Wheres my reply to Dove?
@ bernard ross: So where’s my post Ted, this is supposed to be a fair website…looks like I got hooked up with the wrong people. Good Bye.
@ bernard ross:
@ dove: Jesus of Nazareth was of the tribe of Judah, which is linked to the House of David, Abraham, and Moses. Matthew 1:1-2. His name was given to Mary by an Angel of God. Jesus, which means Yeshua in Hebrew means the Lord Saves. Christ means the anointed one. Mary and Joseph raised Jesus according to the cultural traditions of Jewish society. He was taken to the temple to be circumcised on the eighth day, which was and still is a very Jewish event. Luke 2;21 Jesus practiced traditional Judaism which was in fact, the only faith on the face of the earth during the life of Jesus that believed in a a single omnipotent supreme being. The only theology God ever created was Judaism. It was the lone voice of Judaism that shouted to a pagan world saturated with polytheistic deities, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One.” Every word of the Tanakh, the Jewish Bible which is the Christian Old Testament was written by Jewish people. It is the light of truth and reason upon which our society and civilization is built. Jesus was fully and biologically Jewish. George Washington said, “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.” It was Judasim that gave us the patriarchs, the prophets, the Scriptures, and the Lord. For that reason, Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth said, “Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22. Every word of the New Testament verifies that Jesus, his family, and his disciples practiced traditional Judaism in their daily lives. Do you know why Israel has been under Judgement…she sacrificed truth and the wisdom of the Holy Spirit given to all to guide their lives by the omnipotent God of their fathers. There is no anti-semetism here…I love God’s people and I will stand to help them. You can blame the ultra left, Hitler, Socialism, Nazis, the 3rd reich, and Liars who blame the worlds problems on the Jews…its from the antichrist not Christians. And by the way, FDR was in power when World War 2 happened. If it weren’t for the allies France and Germany, we would all be saying Seig Heil!
@ Anne:
actually you never answered my question
@ Anne:
Anne – If you really care about the Jews please do something about the growing anti-semitism within your community of people. We haven’t even fully recovered yet from the 90% of Jews that were wiped out of Europe during the Holocaust and now we have another – final solution – impending holocaust on our heels. Don’t blame Islam for everything. Islam would not be the monster it is today if it wasn’t for the church. 🙁
@ Anne:
This is exactly what I don’t want you to profess.Everything you say about Jesus irritates. We don’t believe that he is the messiah as described in Jewish texts and we do not believe anything that the Gospels say. We totally reject messianic jews. So stay away from this crap. Do not talk about your Christian beliefs. That’s not what Israpundit is for. Drop all the prophecy crap too. Stick to politics.
@ bernard ross: There are 100 prophecies fulfilled by Jesus, meaning Messianic prophecies that have been fulfilled. including birth, death, resurrection, lineage, The seed of David, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, and events, as written and predicted by Jesus…Its a matter of record. The word canon comes from the Greek word kanon, which meant, “measuring stick” In the fourth century AD the writings that Christians accepted as authoritative began to be known as a “Canon” because these witnesses measured the church’s faithfulness to Jesus. Christians embraced the Jewish canon…the books thrown to us as the “Old Testament because they believed that the God of Jewish scriptures was also the Father of Jesus. Each writing in the New Testament was expected to be connected to an eyewitness of the risen Lord, to be recognized in churches throughout the known world, and not to contradict other writings by Jesus. The Dead Sea Scrolls have proved how carefully the Old Testament texts had been copied through the centuries. Around 900 AD a millennium after the time of Jesus..groups of Jewish scribes known as Masoretes began to copy the Old Testament texts according to strict guidelines. When the Dead Sea Scrolls were unearthed in the the mid-twentieth century, scholars compared the text of Isaiah from the Dead Sea Scrolls with the text of Isaiah preserved by the Masoretes. There were some spelling variations, but the text were basically the same as in 2 Samuel and Deuteronomy, they did not differ in any way that affects any crucial Jewish or Christian belief. When I say I base things on truth, I mean things that have been restored and recovered over the centuries.
yamit82 Said:
thanks for the laughs, that’s what makes this lunatic bearable.
bernard ross Said:
Dwellers catechism class 😛
bernard ross Said:
christian apologist dweller said: 😛
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84503534&v=UmzsWxPLIOo&x-yt-ts=1421914688
dweller Said:
My “suspicions” are quite at rest with the following conclusion:
The Christians swindled, libeled, defamed, delegitimized, burned the books of, tortured and slaughtered the jews for almost 2000 years in order to perpetuate their mythology based on their hijacking and revision of the Hebrew bible. today they continue this serial chronic habit with their BDS churches who continue to libel and swindle the jews and slaughter the Jews by proxy in their moral and financial support of NGO’s who support and fund Jew killer terror orgs.
It is you who is not at rest on this issue because in order to justify your narratives and beliefs in the same person that the Jew killers followed for 2000 years you can only also believe that those billions of Jew killers were not who they called themselves. this could possibly have a shred of credibility if it wasn’t billions of folks over 2000 years.
@ dweller:
yamit has posted a deluge of pertinent relevant material related to your false claims and you appear to pretend they dont exist. there is so much more debunking of your fairy tales than I imagined.
the fact that you ignore these “speaks volumes” 😛
😛 😛 😛
dweller Said:
Actually the opposite is true:
that they have failed to live up to the teachings of their master is also the best testimony that he never existed as a “son of a god on a special mission” as you purport. did your god fail at his mission? did he intend that billions of folk over 2000 years identify with your yeshu, call themselves christians, and then actually do and be the opposite of your gods representatives teachings?
It doesn’t sound like the Hebrew bible Messiah to me, it sounds more like your cults anti messiah……certainly he has been a big success at getting billions to engage in the most despicable of behaviors for 2000 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo
bernard ross Said:
dweller Said:
😛 😛 😛 😛
So your question is whether those billions who purported to follow Jesus decided to follow his teachings as they understood it or to behave the contrary to his teachings. An astounding repetition of coincidence repeated over a 2000 year period by billions of folks who purported the opposite. For 2000 years you are surmising that those who said they followed Jesus decided to do the opposite OR coincidentally did the opposite.
ridicule is the only appropriate reply for this ludicrous and childish attempt at an explanation for the billions of folks calling themselves christians and followers of Jesus who then persecuted Jews for 2000 years
A much more sensible explanation is that those who called themselves christians and followers of Jesus and who persecuted Jews for 2000 years were inspired by his “brilliant sayings” just as you were.
Did your god intend for the billions of followers of Jesus to behave to the contrary of his teachings for 2000 years? Was it a glitch in the big mission which your god had given him?
Indeed he appears quite remarkable in that he appears to have inspired billions to follow him and to do the exact opposite of his “moral” teachings and “brilliant” sayings. what could explain such an odd phenomenon?
dweller Said:
could it be that the sting was to show the world that in spite of “brilliant sayings” that “by their fruits ye shall know them”. that false gods and prophets bear the fruit of 2000 years of the swindling, libeling, torture and slaughter of the jewish people.
How can anything good be associated with such a despicable result?
Pehaps ur nitri was really your soton….. the anti messiah that your cult so often talks about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo
dweller Said:
you appear to have ADD or perhaps you are engaging in that “twisting and distorting” of my words which you say you NEVER do (LOL)
I boldened the words for your re read:
NO JEWISH ATTESTATION OR SUPPORT OF THE NT NARRATIVE AS FACTUAL
@ bernard ross:
Matthew 13:40-42New International Version (NIV)
40 “As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
@ bernard ross:
More of his idols moral teachings:
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@ bernard ross:
Fine. But in that case, it’s clear that you lack the temperament required for an effective researcher, who has to be willing to read all sorts of things he might find distasteful in the dispassionate pursuit of the truth.
The fact remains that until you have read the remarks of Jesus, you will be in no position to determine whether the behavior of those killers was pursuant to that teaching or quite in spite of it. Accordingly you will NEVER be able to put your ‘suspicions’ to rest, one way or the other.
But then, we both know that you don’t want to.
Not merely are you a religious bigot; you’re also transparently phony about your intentions.
dweller Said:
True, but you do [christian]fegele!!! 😛
@ yamit82:
Horse plop. Have never had an argument with HIM — only with certain cretins who presume to speak for Him, like those who presume to characterize Him as “our Jewish God,” when He is, in fact, the only one, and is nobody’s property.
No. I’m calling YOU a liar.
Again.
I trust Him, and He knows it.
@ bernard ross:
Standard projection.
No; no more than I expect ‘Christians’ to buy it. No group has the market cornered on stupid.
What ‘horror’? There’s no horror there — except for Jesus, in Gethsemane, when he sweat blood upon beholding what he would soon confront.
Not what I wrote above; it’s neither pagan NOR ‘christian.’
YOU don’t know that. All you KNOW is that you’ve been TOLD that by a phalanx of morons like yourself.
Nobody ever ‘made up his mind to be’ pagan; doesn’t work like that.
They identified him as “God-the-Son.”
Who said he was ‘unable’ to? Those who followed him in his lifetime weren’t ‘unclear.’ But then, of course, they were Jews.
And if you ask HIM, he will answer in the negative.
dweller Said:
Then you have an Argument with our Jewish G-d as opposed to the one you claim to worship Ours says different. You are calling him a liar again. Don’t think he will look kindly at that….christian.
The not-so-good news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SqVwmlEE9A
@ bernard ross:
It’s neither ludicrous NOR an ‘analogy.’ Quite straightforward, actually.
No grasping here, no tangent here.
The point is clear. You are a bigot, afraid of considering people as individuals.
A prejudiced one would, exactly; quite so.
But then, a prejudiced Christian would too, and no more nor less exactly.
EVERYTHING is a philosophical issue. If you mean it isn’t an intellectual issue, then well & fine. But it’s not an emotional issue either.
Oh, I feel all sorts of things.
But I don’t indulge cheap sentiment, even when it’s used for somebody’s ego masquerade; and you can take yours & stuff it.
Feelings never made anybody ‘Jewish’; feelings can be manipulated; happens every day of the week. They’re a demagogue’s stock-in-trade.
@ bernard ross:
You bet I did. But God said it before I did.
He says He is no respecter of persons. . . .
“There is no iniquity with the LORD our God, nor respect of persons, nor taking of bribes’…” 2Chr 19:7
@ bernard ross:
Garbage. I’ve known hundreds of people who endorsed & actively promoted worthy causes (& worked w/ lots of ’em)
— and almost every one of them did it for ultimately egotistical reasons, or for reasons which incorporated such egotism.
The sovereign of the universe sees right thru that. There’s no scamming Him and no bribing Him. When you stand before Him, every motive, or admixture of motives, for every act or omitted act is on full display
— and there is no moment of any day when you do not stand before Him.
The commandments have no potential for making anyone a better man.
They can keep him from falling off the edge of the cliff outside the perimeter of the clearing in the wilderness where the hedge consisting of the commandments is located. But they cannot bring him any closer to the One who planted the hedge. Only He himself can do that, and He does that only w/ an individual who willingly subjects himself (indeed, abandons himself) to His ongoing scrutiny, in the moment.
@ bernard ross:
I think that from a Jewish perspective that the various sects of christianity including catholics, who follow Jesus, the result has been the same…..persecution. That which they all hold in common appears to be Jesus.
@ bernard ross:
NO, again you conflate two separate issues. I’ve corrected you multiple times in the matter, but you’re slow on the uptake.
1. I said it didn’t matter that they called themselves “followers of Jesus”; if they don’t obey his teachings, then they are simply NOT his followers — it’s a matter moral discipline, and it’s just that simple.
2. The issue of who is entitled to the formal designation of “Christian,” however, is a doctrinal matter; it’s ideological & intellectual.
Accordingly, it’s only rational that THEY be the ones to determine ideologically whom to accept into their ranks under that name; that’s what they did at Nicaea, and subsequent councils. If the dictionary failed, as it obviously did, to take that into account when formulating its ‘definition’ for this formal, technical term, then clearly it fell down on the job.
Still waiting for your definition of “Jewish sources.” I’ve asked you for it more than a dozen times; so far, however nothing . Cat got your tongue?
No, I choose to rely on the words of the ‘fairy tale.’
Most of THOSE words make eminently more sense than most of YOURS.
Having been a minority wherever he was for most of his history, the Jew knows better than to play the numbers game. He knows, better than most, that right and truth often have little to do with numbers.
Of course, Jew-wannabe‘s have a way of overlooking little details like that. It is THEY who exhibit the real confusion.
@bernard ross:
They are not his followers. He himself says to them, “Begone; I never knew you.”
That’s a damned lie, from a damned liar. You have yourself libeled an innocent man. Moreover, you are in violation of the Ninth Commandment. Some ‘Jew’ you are.
It matters what the facts are, and you don’t give a roly poly turd about the facts. You’ve got your hateful, malicious agenda, and everything else takes second place to that.
So?
No; actually another self-professed Jew has decided that.
Absolutely. He is the final (and only) authority in the matter.
Correct; they are wrong. If they indulge themselves in persecution, then they are not his followers; it’s just that simple. “Even as ye did it unto the least of these my brothers, ye did it unto me.”
The Gospel is the very best testimony there can be to the fact that they have failed to live up to the teaching of their purported Master, inasmuch as the Gospel contains his teaching.
‘Their bible’? — No, it’s not ‘theirs.’ NT is not the cultural or proprietary ‘property’ of soi-disant ‘Christians’ any more than Tanach is the cultural or proprietary property of Jews. Each is the common heritage of civilization.
Sacrifice denied
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D_hjrYu5Gw
yamit82 Said:
part 1 is what I kept telling Dweller, the NT authorship has no credibility
dove Said:
Oh but they did practice it.
Morals of christianity:
John 8:42-44New International Version (NIV)
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
The roots of antisemitism is in the immorality of the Gospels
Making a Messiah 8 parts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVJWql-xGTY&list=PLFmOWz4mO2HXgsGNUvYr27SaZ_fKFYjSW
The Unremarkable Jesus
Salvation is From the Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBttbNqQShY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMe8YY9kfU&x-yt-ts=1421914688&x-yt-cl=84503534
bernard ross Said:
Know your enemy!!!!
yamit82 Said:
soon you will know more than him about his mythological nitzri
@ bernard ross:
This is the 3rd time I am trying to put this comment. I was raised by catholics. They prayed to Mary, not Jesus. Mary was the head of the catholic church. Not Jesus not even the Pope. Gotta go….have work to do. I don`t want to talk to your mouse. I rather talk to you. The xtians have 48,000 denominations – the catholics have a few.
bernard ross Said:
As dweller say’s Let’s plod on!!! 😛
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F87we2l6Rd4
@ bernard ross:
from where did you get this info, was it from catholics?
dove Said:
from where did you get this info, was it from catholics?
I think that from a Jewish perspective that the various sects of christianity including catholics, who follow Jesus, the result has been the same…..persecution. That which they all hold in common appears to be Jesus.
dove Said:
my understanding is that Jesus was a christian and catholic deity from the beginning. that Jesus was the son of god and that ALL forms of christianity have Jesus as their central character and most make him a god. does any catholic or christian sect deny or repudiate Jesus or consider him lower than any other person?
@ bernard ross:
It`s a bit complicated. They may have had that in their creed but they did not practise it or preach it – something new that some have just started to do.
It is two different religions with some similarites.