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By Ted Belman

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April 16, 2020 | 7,783 Comments »

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  1. @ mrg3105:

    ”But, he was just a putz. And I know what this word means because I come from a city which was Jewish before you could buy a bagel in NY.”

    “You may know what “putz” means, but you know NOTHING of what he means, because he was no ‘putz’ — and was Jewish before he was made into some kind of ‘god’ by goyim.”

    “And this is how the goyim accepted the Torah LOL”

    Yes, it’s true that they made a mess of things by rendering Yeshua ‘divine,’ but this was possible ONLY after the Judean HQ of the movement known until then only as “The Way” was effectively destroyed after the Bar Kokhba War, by Hadrian’s prohibition of “circumcised persons” from the city & environs of Yerushalayim. At that point, leadership of the movement passed, by default, into the hands of gentiles. Had it remained in the hands of Jews, it would’ve been IMMENSELY harder for strictly gentile concepts — like the notion of a created being to be viewed as ‘God’ — to creep into the ideational structure that was entering, at the time, on a long path of crystallization.

    “Frankly I don’t know why people here spend so much time ‘debating’ you.”

    “That’s an easy one: They do this to stay in Yamit’s good graces. They need his ‘validation’ of their ‘Jewishness,’ and he provides it (sometimes overtly; other times, more subtly) in return for their piling-on in his behalf when he & I are going at it, or covering for him in this regard when his arse is dragging. He has managed to parlay a great mass of data in matters Jewish, Israeli, etc, into a position amounting to something like that of an informal hierophant around here. When you observe somebody ‘debating’ me here, you’re just seeing someone who’s paying his/her dues to Capt Huff’n’puff.”

    “No, I think people are sick of having NT quoted at them. I know I am.”

    You (and they) know quite well that you can always ignore any post of mine or anybody else’s that you have no use for. I skip over lots of posts on this and other pages of this blogsite; it’s no problem.

    In any case though, you’re dead wrong if you think it’s just about having NT quoted (certainly you’re wrong if you think it’s about that as to YoursTruly), because the HISTORY of that development on this site very clearly began with YAMIT’s quoting of NT to show its purported falsity.

    When I first came on board here (some 8 yrs ago), he pestered me, damned-near non-stop for months on end, to drag out of me what I believed about all sorts of things, INCLUDING haNitzri, while constantly peppering me with NT quotes & cites, to show me I was fullovit on the subject. Eventually I got ’round to firing back.

    As long as the sneering & the jeering and other attacks continue, the defense will continue, and that may well include NT quotes or cites.

    “Greece is for sale today! Think about this.”

    “I do think about it from-time-to-time. But it has nothing to do with me.”

    “Sure it does. You are promoting the culture that made the myth of Greece being the foundation of Western Civilisation, and subsequently Xtianity.”

    Wrong again. I don’t ‘promote’ ANY culture. Every culture (w/o exception) is an integument, a matrix, that groups of persons cling to for mutual ego support against other ones. Some cultures are a trifle less deleterious to the consciousness than others, but ALL of them provide in some degree a crutch which keeps a man’s legs from ever becoming strong.

    “Greeks came to Israel. Only much later Israelites fled to parts of the Greek-speaking world.”

    This is somewhat simplistic. The sea peoples who came to be collectively known as the Plishtim were Greeks — Aegean, maybe Mycenean or Cretan, etc — and they clearly antedate the Exodus. Moreover, arguably, some people identified by that handle (Avimelech & cohort) were in Cana’an in Avram’s & Yitzchak’s day as well.

  2. @ yamit82:

    “Had you read into the Goliath and David story at a deeper level”

    “Excellent response”

    “No such thing as an ‘excellent response’ that is irrelevant to the matter it responds to. He might just as well have discussed the workings of the internal combustion engine

    — which can be a fascinating topic of discussion, but which would’ve been likewise off-point & irrelevant in context.”

    “Obvious you re too stupid to understand his and HB’s point!”

    Understood it quite well.

    Also understood that it was off-point, and pedantic in the context offered.

    But you’re too needy to not offer support to those whose support you seek. So you lay down your marker this way, knowing that now they owe you.

    —They’re SO easy, and you’re sooooo transparent.

    @ yamit82:

    “Which one is dweller maybe both relate to his schizophrenia? Happy dweller playing his greatest role”

    Your problem, HuffyPuffy, is that your treadmill is still turning, but the hamster’s dead.

  3. @ mrg3105:

    “TaNaKh is the CULTURAL PROPERTY of the PEOPLE ISRAEL.”

    “A common conceit among the Orthodox. Every type of Jew has such shticklach of one sort or another, and this is one of theirs. TaNaKh is the common heritage of humanity.”

    “Clearly you are not familiar with the laws of inheritance”

    This is a dodge. Laws of inheritance are non-germane to this matter.

    “The fact that it was given to the world THRU the Jewish people doesn’t make it anybody’s ‘property’ — whether ‘culturally’ or in any OTHER sense. Rather, it means that ‘the PEOPLE ISRAEL’ have a duty to patiently & steadfastly help the others to ‘make sense of’ what was first entrusted to them.”

    “Where does it say that God gave the Torah to the World through Israel?”

    Where does it say that if something isn’t written somewhere, it ‘didn’t happen’?

    “In any case, the ‘World’ did not accept it”

    How hard have Am Yisrael tried?

    “If JC actually existed, he was a well meaning but useless putz.”

    “Not remotely; you aren’t even in the ballpark on this matter.”

    “This isn’t even baseball”

    The fact remains that you are clueless in the amtter.

    “The FIRST obligation of a Jew is to save a life.”

    “Normally, yes; absolutely. (That’s why he didn’t hesitate to heal the sick & injured on shabbat.)”

    “There are rules about that also.”

    Rules which remain, nonetheless, irrelevant & off-point to the discourse.

    “He allowed himself to be killed for what?”

    “I told you before: to complete the mission for which he was born — to force the hand of haSoton. He tempted the Adversary (even as the latter tempts man); tempted him to exceed his lawful mandate. Think of it as a great, cosmic ‘Sting’ operation. No way it could happen w/o his dying; it was in the job description from Day One.”

    “We, the People Israel, do not have a Torah for such a ‘mission’ requirement.”

    Even if that were so — and I am NOT conceding the point (only bypassing it momentarily for the sake of discussion) — so what? You’d asked me why he allowed himself to be killed. I answered you.

    “… killed for what? So more non-Jews can celebrate his death with a pork-eating contest around a Scandinavian pagan tree-worshipping ceremony? If he was a god, he would know this eventuality, and I dare say he would not approve “

    “He could know that eventuality and disapprove WITHOUT being a ‘god’ — but could not have completed his mission without being a man capable of being killed.”

    “His ‘mission’ led to millions of deaths of other Jews, and still is KILLING US – his immediate FAMILY.”

    Bilge. There is no way that the mission I described above led to those millions of deaths.

    You could, OTOH, argue that the spread of a gentile-oriented Xty — i.e., a Xty cut away from its Jewish roots after AD 136 — led to those millions of deaths. But the Sting operation on haSoton? — no, that did not cause those deaths. In fact, I would argue quite, QUITE the contrary; but that is a lengthy discussion, for another day.

    “Did [haNitzri] see the future? He does seem to have had gifts of both prophecy & clairvoyance.”

    “What do you think ‘prophecy’ means?”

    At its core, it is what one who is called to speak for God DECLARES pursuant to that call. More often than not, this incorporates inter alia a vision of the future, or elements of the future — and I had reference to this when I made the above remark.

  4. dove Said:

    Now the fam is dying for attention so I don’t have much time for this nonsense….lol……

    Please enjoy your family…… you can come back and play with our little mouse later as you can be sure that he will still be here going in circles.

  5. @ bernard ross:

    Actually bernard you are quite funny. You have a great Jewish sense of humor. I’m not like you…..rolling it off a ducks back. Good luck!

    I had a little time to kill. I had a big work project that I finished up on Sunday. Now the fam is dying for attention so I don’t have much time for this nonsense….lol……

  6. dweller Said:

    “dweller, do you believe in God?”

    Do you?

    its funny to watch you post your whole long list of references again. I know you are looking at your post in adoration of its brilliance, its superb graphic arrangement on the page with doubles spacing so as to frame each brilliant statement. Each post you write is a work of art surpassing Michelangelo. 😛

  7. bernard Ross Said:

    “I also never read the chronicles of Narnia which apparently featured a talking lion with brilliant sayings.”
    Dweller said:
    Bonehead analogy. The only comparison is that, again, YOU don’t know that the contents of the Narnia tales are ‘brilliant’ if you haven’t read them for yourself. Instead, you know only what you’ve been told.

    Perfect analogy, because Narnia also featured a fictitious character who was purported to make “brilliant” sayings. I do not wish to “know” the contents of every published fairy tale in existence, after all they are fiction.
    dweller Said:

    Reading the Chronicles of Narnia could not possibly give you a clue as to whether you claim was sound — yet reading the gospels is ESSENTIAL to even being able to discuss your afore-cited claim; a matter self-evident to ANYBODY possessed of the gray matter God gave a gerbil.

    rubbish, the gospels are obviously fiction a fairy tale, its self evident…. it has pretend Jewish characters postulating gods mating women and popping out Jewish messiahs when there are not Jewish attestations to the main fictitious character or the fictitious events portrayed therein.
    dweller Said:

    Jesus was “no 1st century Jew” and had “no way with words.”

    as Jesus was not even shown to exist he could not be a 1st century Jew. also, he could not hav had a “way with words” because similarly to the brilliant talking lion it was the author of the fairy tale who made up the “brilliant” sayings. that would be self evident to even a gerbil who was not head over heels in adoration of a fairy tale character.
    @ Bernard Ross Said:

    When so many people over thousands of years commit the despicable behaviors they committed on the Jews and they identify themselves with your nitzri, I have the same attraction to their bible as I do to Hitlers Mein Kampf.

    dweller Said:

    You have not established that the ‘God’ they identify themselves with is in fact haNitzri.

    never mentioned a god there. they identified themselves as following your nitzri, jesus, jeshua, etc.
    dweller Said:

    Moreover — and more significantly — the reality is that the overwhelming majority of those “so many people” never even knew what their presumed ‘god’ even taught, inasmuch as they’d never read the gospels (or anything else) in their entire illiterate lives.

    irrelevant, and opinionated. they followed jesus and identified themselves as christians. The overwhelming majority of those who identified themselves as christians followed Jesus, and prayed to him. they often cited their NT for reasons to persecute Jews. It matters not whether they followed your interpretation of what your character taught. If your character was so brilliant then why was he unable to make himself clear to the overwhelming majority of his followers and worshippers.
    dweller Said:

    They didn’t follow Jeshua — they followed kings & priests who called him ‘God’ as a means of controlling them; but they didn’t follow Jeshua, and it neither ‘dishonesty’ NOR ‘poor judgment’ to recognize that fact.

    Of course they followed him, it was a generally accepted fact that the overwhelming majority of christians identified themselves with following and praying to Jesus. Its you against those billions when you assert they weren’t following him.
    dweller Said:

    If you ask Xtns whether they accept the nativity narrative, they will answer in the affirmative.

    if you ask christians if they followed Jesus they will answer in the affirmative
    Bernard Ross Said:

    “After watching them find every possible way to persecute Jews for thousands of years we find that what they had in common was that they followed your nitzri, just like you.”

    dweller Said:

    — the reality is that the overwhelming majority of those “so many people” never even knew what their presumed ‘god’ even taught, inasmuch as they’d never read the gospels (or anything else) in their entire illiterate lives.

    The same may be true today but the fact is that those who called themselves christians and followers of Jesus for 2000 years persecuted the Jews for the same period. What they had in common was their purported following of Jesus. He appears to have had quite a deleterious effect on his followers. Why is there confusion about his sayings which you find brilliant out of the same NT they are preached from and read, when the christians read it they consistently have resorted to persecuting Jews. with such godly special beginnings you would expect a more worthy outcome. Perhaps your jesus is actually the anti messiah 😛
    even today BDS churches are reading his sayings and then libeling,swindling and persecuting the jews. There appears to be a consistent behavior with one thing in common.

  8. @ yamit82:

    “When so many people over thousands of years commit the despicable behaviors they committed on the Jews and they identify themselves with [haNitzri]…”

    “Objection: Begging the question. You have assumed facts not in evidence.

    You have not established that the ‘God’ they identify themselves with is in fact haNitzri. You characterizd him as ‘my’ nitzri. But that fellow did not presume to be ‘God,’ as their purported master is indeed called ‘God’ (indeed, “the very God of God,” to quote the Nicene Creed).”

    “Liar Liar pants on fire!”

    Identify the ‘lie.’

    “…’But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.’ (Matthew 26: 63, 64)

    Lack of and refusal to deny is defacto acknowledgement.”

    Acknowledgment of what? He made no claim to divinity, whether overtly OR implicitly.

    “Son of God” is not synonymous with “God the Son.”

    (Nor is “Son of Man” indicative of divinity.)

    Adam is also characterized as the “Son of God. BFD.

    So are the angels characterized as the “Sons of God.”

    — Are Adam and the Angels all “God” too???

    Get a life, Huffy

  9. dweller Said:

    Objection: Begging the question. You have assumed facts not in evidence.

    You have not established that the ‘God’ they identify themselves with is in fact haNitzri. You characterizd him as ‘my’ nitzri. But that fellow did not presume to be ‘God,’ as their purported master is indeed called ‘God’ (indeed, “the very God of God,” to quote the Nicene Creed).

    Liar Liar pants on fire!!!!!!

    “But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself;

    nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“” (Matthew 26: 63, 64)

    Lack of and refusal to deny is defacto acknowledgement.

  10. @ mrg3105:

    “You say you are a Jew…”

    “My parents say I’m a Jew.

    My grandparents say I’m a Jew.

    The Mohel says I’m a Jew.

    The Rabbi says says I’m a Jew.

    The Hazzan says I’m a Jew.

    The Gabbai says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Congregation says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Tallis & Tefillin Society says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Sisterhood says I’m a Jew.

    The Principal of the Hebrew School says I’m a Jew.

    But who are they all to think they know anything.

    — If they only checked with YOU, they’d be sure to get the straight skinny on me.”

    “dweller, do you believe in God?”

    Do you?

  11. @ bernard ross:

    “NEWSWEEK Poll found that 84 percent of American adults consider themselves Christians, and 82 percent see Jesus as God or the son of God. Seventy-nine percent say they believe in the virgin birth, and 67 percent think the Christmas story – from the angels’ appearance to the Star of Bethlehem – is historically accurate.”

    “the interesting thiing about your words when googled leads to the same phrase and conclusions BUT I was unable to find any publication or link to the actual poll even in the article in Newsweek which made this claim.”

    If it’s important to you to see the actual poll, it sounds like you need to contact NEWSWEEK and ask them for an explanation.

    What I saw of the article itself was not, as I recall, entirely flattering toward the above observation, so the poll is most unlikely to be bogus.

  12. honeybee Said:

    You never met my Aunt Annie and the Ladies in the women’s section. OY

    I had a great aunt Annie. She had a concession in a traveling Carnival. When ever they came to town I wouldpay her a call at her concession. I don’t think she was too happy to see me 🙁

  13. @ bernard ross:

    “If the Virgin Birth is NOT true, then there’s nothing special or extraordinary about Jesus — he’s just another first-century Jew who had a way with words.”

    “No first century Jew,no way with words”

    “Only somebody who had actually READ the words of Jeshua (which you have not done) — as well as the words of other 1st century Jews, by way of comparison (which you have likewise failed to do) — could POSSIBLY be in a position to make such a statement — unlike some buffoonish, loudmouthed ignoramus who never so much as cracked a book in the matter, yet arrogates to HIMSELF the name of ‘Jew’…”

    “I also never read the chronicles of Narnia which apparently featured a talking lion with brilliant sayings.”

    Bonehead analogy. The only comparison is that, again, YOU don’t know that the contents of the Narnia tales are ‘brilliant’ if you haven’t read them for yourself. Instead, you know only what you’ve been told.

    More importantly, though, the subject was NOT the Narnia tales. The subject was your claim that Jesus was “no 1st century Jew” and had “no way with words.”

    Reading the Chronicles of Narnia could not possibly give you a clue as to whether you claim was sound — yet reading the gospels is ESSENTIAL to even being able to discuss your afore-cited claim; a matter self-evident to ANYBODY possessed of the gray matter God gave a gerbil.

    “When so many people over thousands of years commit the despicable behaviors they committed on the Jews and they identify themselves with [haNitzri]…”

    Objection: Begging the question. You have assumed facts not in evidence.

    You have not established that the ‘God’ they identify themselves with is in fact haNitzri. You characterizd him as ‘my’ nitzri. But that fellow did not presume to be ‘God,’ as their purported master is indeed called ‘God’ (indeed, “the very God of God,” to quote the Nicene Creed).

    Moreover — and more significantly — the reality is that the overwhelming majority of those “so many people” never even knew what their presumed ‘god’ even taught, inasmuch as they’d never read the gospels (or anything else) in their entire illiterate lives.

    And the reason you HAVE to beg the question as you do is that you simply cannot afford not to see them as all followers of somebody whom you NEED to write out of the Jewish people. Your objective was established before you ever entered on your quest, and that objective did not, and does not, include discovery of the truth.

    “It appears that those who listened to the “brilliant” sayings for 2000 years hardly wavered from their dirty ways.”

    And just how would they listen to those sayings for 2000 years? You’ve created a straw man here. They didn’t have him around to listen to for 2000 years.

    “You may fool yourself into compartmentalizing your mythological characters sayings from those who followed him but that is merely dishonesty or poor judgement.”

    They didn’t follow Jeshua

    — they followed kings & priests who called him ‘God’ as a means of controlling them; but they didn’t follow Jeshua, and it neither ‘dishonesty’ NOR ‘poor judgment’ to recognize that fact.

    “After watching them find every possible way to persecute Jews for thousands of years we find that what they had in common was that they followed your nitzri, just like you.”

    “We”??? — WTF is that? You represent yourself, shmendrick, and nobody else. Most Jews do not share your anti-christian malevolence. They may not endorse the gospel narrative, but they have no use for your hatred & bigotry; you’re strictly on your own in that department.

    @ bernard ross:

    “….. like you belive your story of {the Most High conceiving Moshiach upon a Jewish} woman… is also generally accepted as fact.”

    “It is. The polls confirm that it is so accepted.”

    “like I said if it was generally accepted as a fact they would teach it in their schools… “

    QTC, like YoursEverTruly said, it IS clearly accepted as fact, but they are not permitted to teach it in the schools. If you ask Xtns whether they accept the nativity narrative, they will answer in the affirmative. See for yourself; ask them.

    “Its just stories by christians about jews and we already know how trustworthy they are in that regard… not you though.”

    No, that’s right; not me. But then, I know a lot of Xtns; just as I know a lot of Jews. And — unlike yourself — I know what they both are like from the standpoint of trusworthiness.. And then too, I have a direct, ongoing, personal familiarity with those ‘stories’ and their credibility; unlike PresentCompany, I don’t need to rely on what some paranoid shlemiel w/ an axe to grind has to say about them.

    “Why not just [make your remarks] where they are believed, why plague the jews with your christian stalking….”

    Well, Bernard, for one thing, there is the inexpressible joy that comes of knowing that it ‘plagues’ you. (Not that that makes you a ‘Jew.’)

    And since I’m ‘stalking’ you, better watch your back; you never can tell when I’ll jump up out of nowhere and shout, ‘Boo!”

  14. bernard ross Said:

    where’s the poll, I see the claims and conclusions, but no actual poll

    Wonder what christian site he plagiarized that from?? He never plagiarizes except from his own plagiarized previous quotes and comments. He is a sinner bound for hell and the lake of fire in revelations. Like Muslims i wish he could speed up his destined journey. I will even supply him with water wings and a paddle free.

  15. dweller Said:

    No such thing as an ‘excellent response’ that is irrelevant to the matter it responds to. He might just as well have discussed the workings of the internal combustion engine

    — which can be a fascinating topic of discussion, but which would’ve been likewise off-point & irrelevant in context.

    Obvious you re too stupid to understand his and HB’s point!!

    Yes it was an excellent response for any grade school Jewish yeshiva student. Yes you are stupid, arrogantly so which compounds the obvious.

  16. @ dweller:

    Yadda yadda yadda doctor psychobabble. Did you also rape your mother? Is that the cause of your guilt projected onto all others?> Is your guilt related to why you became a fag?

    Is that why you love Pauline and jeeeezit because they advocated celibacy because they were queers themselves>

    You want hate and anger just go to Pauline and jeeezit and their book; that’s Hate for you… from the first word to the last. YFPSAH!!!!!!

  17. dweller Said:

    I twist & distort nothing.

    and yet many posters here have accused you of this many times…
    yamit82 Said:

    he had omitted to tell them what he had disclosed to us about what what he believes and to whom he believes in. Omission of such details would be in effect a lie!!!!! Making him out to be a Liar!!!! And their opinions a gross misrepresentation based on his lies!!!!!

    and this from the one who never lies 😛

  18. bernard ross Said:

    dweller Said:

    NEWSWEEK Poll found that 84 percent of American adults consider themselves Christians, and 82 percent see Jesus as God or the son of God. Seventy-nine percent say they believe in the virgin birth, and 67 percent think the Christmas story – from the angels’ appearance to the Star of Bethlehem – is historically accurate.”
    Bernard Ross Said:
    the interesting thiing about your words when googled leads to the same phrase and conclusions BUT I was unable to find any publication or link to the actual poll even in the article in Newsweek which made this claim. I have never seen poll results claimed without the link to the actual poll itself in a major publication. I thought this story was fishy and doubted the claims I would like to see the actual poll if you can find it, I googled it and could not, only the exact same claim you posted, but no actual poll.

    where’s the poll, I see the claims and conclusions, but no actual poll

  19. dweller Said:

    I really must say, Bernard, I’d like to be able to see things from your point of view,

    not possible, as you are dishonest.
    Bernard Ross Said:

    “but I have never heard of any Jew who does not understand that narratives about Jews from the jew libeling collective should not be relied upon.”
    Dweller said:
    In that case I hope you never find yourself unjustly accused of something (or, for that matter, justly accused) and on trial in front of an all-Jewish jury which is so-constituted purely because self-professed Christians were systematically excluded from it. . . .

    a ludicrous analogy, you are grasping for straws, grasping for a pathway to a new tangent to lead everyone away from the point and the issue. A jew would understand what I said, exactly. Its not a philosophical issue, who feels it knows it…. and you dont feel it.
    Bernard ross Said:

    everything you say about your nitzri is a pagan christian narrative.”
    Dweller said:
    Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.

    and yet the christains took the hebrew bible,revised it to suit their fairy tale and mixed in the paganism of the 25th december, Oestre, gods mating with women, etc etc etc
    it appears that you folks did make up your mind to be christian and pagan.dweller Said:

    A common conceit among the Orthod….ox….TaNaKh is the common heritage of humanity.The fact that it was given to the world THRU the Jewish people doesn’t make it anybody’s ‘property’ — whether ‘culturally’ or in any OTHER sense.

    christian “marketing” for their hijacking of the Jewish bible.

    dweller Said:

    I told you before: to complete the mission for which he was born — to force the hand of haSoton. He tempted the Adversary (even as the latter tempts man); tempted him to exceed his lawful mandate. Think of it as a great, cosmic “Sting” operation. No way it could happen w/o his dying; it was in the job description from Day One.

    😛 😛 😛 😛
    this delusional lunatic expects Jews to buy this horror story.
    dweller Said:

    The Gospel record is clear…..

    Goldilocks and her 3 talking bears are also clear.
    dweller Said:

    That’s an easy one: They do this to stay in Yamit’s good graces. They need his ‘validation’ of their ‘Jewishness,’ and he provides it (sometimes overtly; other times, more subtly) in return for their piling-on in his behalf when he & I are going at it, or covering for him in this regard when his arse is dragging.

    He has managed to parlay a great mass of data in matters Jewish, Israeli, etc, into a position amounting to something like that of an informal hierophant around here. When you observe somebody ‘debating’ me here, you’re just seeing someone who’s paying his/her dues to Capt Huff’n’puff.

    😛 😛 😛 😛

    par·a·noi·a ?per??noi?/ noun
    a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
    synonyms: persecution complex, delusions, obsession, psychosis

    the gift that keeps on giving 😛
    dove Said:

    “I am starting to understand why Dweller is a source of entertainment when you get bored.”

  20. dweller Said:

    My parents say I’m a Jew.

    My grandparents say I’m a Jew.

    The Mohel says I’m a Jew.

    The Rabbi says says I’m a Jew.

    The Hazzan says I’m a Jew.

    The Gabbai says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Congregation says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Tallis & Tefillin Society says I’m a Jew.

    The President of the Sisterhood says I’m a Jew.

    The Principal of the Hebrew School says I’m a Jew.

    we only have your word to take for every assertion you just made. The word of one who says he never psychobabbles, never lies, states as historical fact that a god went into a woman and out popped a jewish messiah. Judging from your long dramatic list I am reminded of:

    “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ? Adolf Hitler

    You had the perfect teacher 🙂
    “methinks she doth protest too much”

  21. mgr105 Said:

    “For ‘all men stand equal before God,’ that too is not true. It really depends what they ‘stand’ for”
    Dweller said:
    So He’s more likely to be impressed if they make a point of supporting His causes, eh?

    no doubt! HIS causes are also HIS commandments, apparently when you don’t follow them HE is unimpressed.
    Dweller said: Said:

    Okay, show me some external corroboration
    Bernard ross said:
    duncebat, you are not paying attention… I said evidence and support… in theological matters wrt Jews FOR ME jewish attestation provides a measure of support whereas FOR ME christian attestation about gods mating jewish women and popping out jewish messiahs have not one iota one shred, one thread of support…..

    bernard ross Said:

    Why you may well ask?
    here is why, once more for the umpteenth time:
    The christians spent almost 2000 years lying about, libeling, swindling, torturing, slaughtering burning the bibles and books of etc etc etc. ….

    dweller Said:

    No need to ask; I GET it. You’ve long made it crystal clear: you’re a bigot

    Indeed I am bigoted wrt giving credence on Jewish issues to the serial chronic jew killers and libelers just as I am bigoted towards arsenic, poison ivy and Hitler. What nut would take the word of 2000 year jew libelers and killers as credible witnesses to jewish issues 😛 😛 😛 😛
    Bernard Ross Said:

    “You apparently have no problem accepting narratives presented by the jew killers and jew swindlers those who had us slaughtered for killing their half god man.”
    Dweller said:
    I don’t care who ‘presents’ a narrative; I examine the narrative on its OWN terms. ….Where truth is concerned, an honest man knows that it doesn’t matter WHO’s right so much as WHAT’s right.

    But it has been proven here many times that YOU are NOT an honest man. An honest man hearing a narrative presented by the christians on a Jewish issue, with no factual evidence for the narrative, would take stock of the integrity, character and historical behavior of the christian professor of the narrative. Here we have as the professor of the narrative, which is NOT corroborated by Jewish sources as being factual, a collective who have serially and systematically for 2000 years libeled, swindled, tortured and slaughtered Jews after hijacking the Jewish bible and revising it to suit their narrative. Not one shred of credibility would I allow for those professors.

    dweller Said:

    Sometimes enemies speak truth in spite of themselves.

    LOL, 2000 years worth of speaking libels trumps your “sometimes”.

  22. @ dweller:

    Even YOU no longer claim that you just avoid my comments (as you used to say); now, your story has become that you’re ‘entertained’ by them, and that THAT’s the reason you read them.

    Again you are twisting things….of coarse a sane rational person would burst out laughing at some of your outrageous comments.

    I am actually rarely bored and that is why you are mostly on my ignore list. I find you obnoxious, offensive and a shame to the Jewish People.

    Back to ignore….

  23. dweller Said:

    But you knew that’s what I meant. We’d been over this before. Why bring it up again now?

    Because Sweetie you’re so difficult to edumacate !!!!!!!!!!!!

  24. @ honeybee:

    “…’If the Virgin Birth is NOT true’

    Silly, Sweetie everybody is a virgin when they are born. Don’t you mean virgin conception ?”

    Of course. “Virgin birth” is simply the term-of-art attached to the concept.

    But you knew that’s what I meant. We’d been over this before. Why bring it up again now?

  25. @ dove:

    “I am starting to understand why Dweller is a source of entertainment when you get bored.”

    “Of course: SOMEBODY on the Chit Chat page has to have something interesting to say. And YoursTruly obviously DOES, and consistently so.”

    “Mr. Egotistical Full of HIMSELF.”

    Hardly. I just stated a fact; it’s that simple. It needn’t constitute ‘egotism’ to state reality; I don’t get off on it; that’s your assumption, because YOU couldn’t make such a statement without it being egotistical. The truth is there was nothing of me in what I said; no body-english on the ball. It was a simple, uncomplicated observation.

    “I wouldn’t call what you have to say interesting. It is so off the wall and bazaar that it would be entertainment for someone bored – did I say bored? If there is nothing better to do see how Dweller twists and distorts.”

    Yes, yes, yes; they all say that.

    But then, what else can they say, under the circumstances? The posting record tells the story. I twist & distort nothing. My posts are consistently interesting, and some of my greatest detractors have obliquely acknowledged the fact. Even YOU no longer claim that you just avoid my comments (as you used to say); now, your story has become that you’re ‘entertained’ by them, and that THAT’s the reason you read them.

    The truth is that you can’t NOT read them, and you know it. What’s more, my making the observation is not ‘boasting’ either. It is simply recognizing an uncluttered fact to BE a fact.

    “That is NOT something to be proud of. Pride goes BEFORE the fall. First there is misplaced, displaced pride…then you fall ….”

    It’s readily apparent that you have no clue as to the meaning of the word pride as used in your remark, or in the adage you incorporated in the remark. It is not the contemporary meaning, and has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ an individual’s relationship to other persons — only his relationship w/ Adonoi.

    “”… fall from the pedestal that you have placed yourself on.”

    I place NOBODY on a pedestal, myself or anybody else. You, OTOH, most certainly DO do just that, beginning with anybody who can validate your ‘Jewishness.’ Your frailty is downright palpable ; it’s GOT to drive your kids bananas.

  26. @ dove:

    “Dweller is just like a blood sucking leech who attaches himself to the Jewish People trying to convince us he is still Jewish.”

    It’s yourself you’re speaking of, not me; your insecurities stick out on you like quills on a porcupine. I don’t attach myself to anything — and have never had a need to convince anybody I was Jewish. I am who & what I am — and remain content to be.

    “All those names he listed – either they are just like him or he is a two faced double minded idiot.”

    Nope. And nope.

    “What would they think if they saw his posts here?”

    What makes you think they haven’t?

    “Shalom…..we can find peace amongst ourselves”

    You will never know peace till you give up your hatred. “There is no rest to the wicked.”

    “even tho we are surrounded by our enemies.”

    You project your own nuttiness onto the Jewish people. The only enemies you personally are surrounded by are the ones you generate in your own consciousness to give yourself a phony sense of righteousness. Anger is the energy of a wrong mind trying to make itself feel ‘right.’

    “Stay strong and I will do the same.”

    You cannot ‘stay strong’ unless you are already strong to begin with. You aren’t strong — because you’re drained by your hatred.

  27. @ dweller:

    “I am starting to understand why Dweller is a source of entertainment when you get bored.”

    Of course: SOMEBODY on this page has to have something interesting to say. And YoursTruly obviously DOES, and consistently so.

    lol….There you go again….Mr. Egotistical Full of HIMSELF. I wouldn’t call what you have to say interesting. It is so off the wall and bazaar that it would be entertainment for someone bored – did I say bored? If there is nothing better to do see how Dweller twists and distorts.

    That is NOT something to be proud of. Pride goes BEFORE the fall. First there is misplaced, displaced pride…then you fall …. fall from the pedestal that you have placed yourself on.

  28. @ honeybee:

    “Had you read into the Goliath and David story at a deeper level”

    “Excellent response”

    No such thing as an ‘excellent response’ that is irrelevant to the matter it responds to. He might just as well have discussed the workings of the internal combustion engine

    — which can be a fascinating topic of discussion, but which would’ve been likewise off-point & irrelevant in context.

    @ honeybee:

    “The Mohel says I’m a Jew.”

    “Some of us do not need a Mohel to confirm our Jewishness.”

    Nor did I.

    It was offered strictly for those who need other people of ANY sort to confirm such. And that seems to constitute most of those who post on this page.

  29. @ dove:

    “As CREATED, Adam couldn’t father children. Didn’t need to. He was IMMORTAL. In Eden, the fruit of the Tree of Life was NOT off-limits to him (them). Only the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil was forbidden them.”

    “I C…. so….before the fall Adam didn’t have the perks and squirts of a man but after the fall he did? Sounds like he would have liked himself much better after the fall!”

    You think he’d have preferred the perks & squirts over immortality?

    Maybe YOU’d have preferred the booby prize over the real one when they played pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey at birthday parties. But it’s apparent that Adam took a different view. There’s a midrash which says that when he realized the enormity of what he had done, and its consequences, he committed suicide — climbed to a high promontory and threw himself off of it.

    He was directly revived by Adonai, who explained to Adam that, of himself, he had neither the power, nor the authority, nor the understanding to suitably atone for what he had done, but that in time He himself would provide the means for Adam’s atonement & redemption.

    @ dove:

    “I am starting to understand why Dweller is a source of entertainment when you get bored.”

    Of course: SOMEBODY on this page has to have something interesting to say. And YoursTruly obviously DOES, and consistently so.

  30. @ dove:

    Anybody can list whatever and whoever they choose but I think he meant it rhetorically but he failed to note that if they all considered him Jewish he had omitted to tell them what he had disclosed to us about what what he believes and to whom he believes in. Omission of such details would be in effect a lie!!!!! Making him out to be a Liar!!!! And their opinions a gross misrepresentation based on his lies!!!!! 😉

  31. mrg3105 Said:

    Sure it does. You are promoting the culture that made the myth of Greece being the foundation of Western Civilisation, and subsequently Xtianity. Ta Biblia is what the ‘World’ accepted, a papyrus parchment i.e. Septuagint. How many Xtians know the word Torah or that the original translation was by rabbis because Greeks could not be bothered to learn Ivrit or Aramit?

    Jews believe that one person’s death cannot atone for the sins of another. in Deuteronomy 24:16, where it explicitly says that no one can die for the sins of another:

    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin.[Deuteronomy 24:16]

    The whole of Chapter 18 of the Book of Ezekiel expands upon and clarifies this principle. Furthermore, this chapter teaches that all we have to do to gain G-d’s forgiveness is to stop doing the Bad and start doing the Good. Nowhere does it say that we must have a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins

    IN SHORT… The Bible is clear, and it is consistent: one person cannot die for the sins of another.

    In other words, the sins committed by one person cannot be wiped out by the punishment given to another. In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses asks G-d to punish him for the sin committed by the people in regards to the Golden Calf. G-d tells Moses that the person who committed the sin is the one who must receive the punishment. Then, in Deuteronomy 24:16, G-d simply states this as a basic principle, ‘Every man be put to death for his own sin.’ This concept is repeated in the Prophets, in Ezekiel 18: ‘The soul that sinneth, it shall die… the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.’ The prophet Jeremiah looks to the day when the mistaken belief that one man’s death atones for another man’s sins shall no longer be held by anyone: in Jeremiah 31:29-30, the prophet says: ‘In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children’s teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.’

    In Exodus 32:30-35, Moses tries to offer himself as an atonement for the sins of the People, by being written ‘out of Thy book which Thou has written.’ To be written out of Gd’s book means to be written out of the Book of Life; therefore Moses is asking to die for the sins of the People. G-d’s response is that it does not work that way, each man dies for his own sin:

    And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Etrnl; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin. And Moses returned unto the Etrnl, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin…and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. And the Etrnl said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them. And the Etrnl plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made. [Exodus 32:30-35]

    Please note that the text tells us that the one who sins is the one who receives the punishment, and no one else. The point is made again in Deuteronomy 24:16,

    where it explicitly says that no one can die for the sins of another:

    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. [Deuteronomy 24:16]

  32. @ yamit82:

    We Will Survive

    Thanks for this. I took a pause for the cause when I saw the attack in Tel Aviv.

    Dweller is just like a blood sucking leech who attaches himself to the Jewish People trying to convince us he is still Jewish. All those names he listed – either they are just like him or he is a two faced double minded idiot. What would they think if they saw his posts here?

    Shalom…..we can find peace amongst ourselves even tho we are surrounded by our enemies. Stay strong and I will do the same.

  33. yamit82 Said:

    Yes I suppose sometimes silence is best

    “Better to remain silent and let people think you a fool , then to open our mouth and prove yourself one”

    Abe Lincoln

  34. mrg3105 Said:

    And Jewish minds discuss the complex relationships between people, events and ideas

    You never met my Aunt Annie and the Ladies in the women’s section. OY

  35. dweller Said:

    @ mrg3105:
    “TaNaKh is the CULTURAL PROPERTY of the PEOPLE ISRAEL.”
    A common conceit among the Orthodox.
    — Every type of Jew has such shticklach of one sort or another, and this is one of theirs.
    TaNaKh is the common heritage of humanity.

    Clearly you are not familiar with the laws of inheritance 🙂

    The fact that it was given to the world THRU the Jewish people doesn’t make it anybody’s ‘property’ — whether ‘culturally’ or in any OTHER sense.
    — Rather, it means that “the PEOPLE ISRAEL” have a duty to patiently 7 steadfastly help the others to “make sense of” what was first entrusted to them.

    Where does it say that God gave the Torah to the World through Israel? In any case, the ‘World’ did not accept it 🙂

    “If JC actually existed, he was a well meaning but useless putz.”
    Not remotely; you aren’t even in the ballpark on this matter.

    This isn’t even baseball LOL

    “The FIRST obligation of a Jew is to save a life.”
    Normally, yes; absolutely. (That’s why he didn’t hesitate to heal the sick & injured on shabbat.)

    There are rules about that also.

    “He allowed himself to be killed for what?”
    I told you before: to complete the mission for which he was born — to force the hand of haSoton. He tempted the Adversary (even as the latter tempts man); tempted him to exceed his lawful mandate. Think of it as a great, cosmic “Sting” operation. No way it could happen w/o his dying; it was in the job description from Day One.

    We, the People Israel, do not have a Torah for such a ‘mission’ requirement.

    “… killed for what? So more non-Jews can celebrate his death with a pork-eating contest around a Scandinavian pagan tree-worshipping ceremony? If he was a god, he would know this eventuality, and I dare say he would not approve “
    He could know that eventuality and disapprove WITHOUT being a ‘god’ — but could not have completed his mission without being a man capable of being killed.

    His ‘mission’ led to millions of deaths of other Jews, and still is KILLING US – his immediate FAMILY. If I could time travel, and I had a choice of who to not allow to survive past first 8 days, it would be JC. And, if he was an observant Jew, and had the faculty to understand what he would cause in future, I’m sure he wouldn’t try to stop me.

    Did he see the future? He does seem to have had gifts of both prophecy & clairvoyance.

    What do you think ‘prophecy’ means?

    ”But, he was just a putz. And I know what this word means because I come from a city which was Jewish before you could buy a bagel in NY.”
    You may know what “putz” means, but you know NOTHING of what he means, because he was no ‘putz’ — and was Jewish before he was made into some kind of ‘god’ by goyim.

    And this is how the goyim accepted the Torah LOL

    “Frankly I don’t know why people here spend so much time ‘debating’ you.”
    That’s an easy one: They do this to stay in Yamit’s good graces. They need his ‘validation’ of their ‘Jewishness,’ and he provides it (sometimes overtly; other times, more subtly) in return for their piling-on in his behalf when he & I are going at it, or covering for him in this regard when his arse is dragging.
    He has managed to parlay a great mass of data in matters Jewish, Israeli, etc, into a position amounting to something like that of an informal hierophant around here. When you observe somebody ‘debating’ me here, you’re just seeing someone who’s paying his/her dues to Capt Huff’n’puff.

    No, I think people are sick of having NT quoted at them. I know I am.

    “Greece is for sale today! Think about this.”
    I do think about it from-time-to-time.
    — But it has nothing to do with me.

    Sure it does. You are promoting the culture that made the myth of Greece being the foundation of Western Civilisation, and subsequently Xtianity. Ta Biblia is what the ‘World’ accepted, a papyrus parchment i.e. Septuagint. How many Xtians know the word Torah or that the original translation was by rabbis because Greeks could not be bothered to learn Ivrit or Aramit?

    In fact they are plagiarising, lazy, aggressive, and self-promoting ignorants. People can’t help gravitating towards centres of knowledge because knowledge creates wealth, and wealth attracts greed.

    Greeks came to Israel. Only much later Israelites fled to parts of the Greek-speaking world.

  36. dweller Said:

    @ bernard ross:
    “You say you are a Jew…”
    My parents say I’m a Jew.
    My grandparents say I’m a Jew.
    The Mohel says I’m a Jew.
    The Rabbi says says I’m a Jew.
    The Hazzan says I’m a Jew.
    The Gabbai says I’m a Jew.
    The President of the Congregation says I’m a Jew.
    The President of the Tallis & Tefillin Society says I’m a Jew.
    The President of the Sisterhood says I’m a Jew.
    The Principal of the Hebrew School says I’m a Jew.
    But who are they all to think they know anything.
    — If they only checked with YOU, they’d be sure to get the straight skinny on me.

    dweller, do you believe in God?

  37. dweller Said:

    @ mrg3105:
    “yet again you are wrong.”
    “For ‘all men stand equal before God,’ that too is not true. It really depends what they ‘stand’ for”
    So He’s more likely to be impressed if they make a point of supporting His causes, eh? — I’d have to say that this smacks of a certain species of anthropomorphism, to say nothing of an inclination to think the Man-in-the-Sky subject to bribery, brown-nosing, kissing-up, etc — a proposition which has GOT to be getting a good horse laugh out of Him right about now (and how’s that for anthropomorphism!).
    “If they stand (t’amud) trice daily BEGGING to be allowed to rebuild God’s dwelling, it seems to me they ‘stand’ a bit closer to His attention than those that bow down to wood, stone and metal, and kill His chosen nation.”
    These are not the words of a believer so much as those of a partisan.
    When we stand — each of us — ALONE, before Him, we shall be (in every way)
    — NAKED.

    anthropomorphism is definitely an Xtianity thing. We know what it means when Torah says He created us in His image 🙂

    And yet again you are wrong!
    Every child knows that we are NEVER naked before Him, and we have King David to thank for pointing this out 🙂

  38. d w e l l e r Said:

    Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.

    Jeeeeeezus the liar and fraud:

    “And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)

    “Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18)

    “Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

    “The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)

    Still waiting after all these years and you still worship a dead Putz!!! AH!!!!! 😛 😛 😛

  39. dweller Said:

    Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.

    Jeeeeeezus the liar and fraud:

    “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

    “Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

    Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)

    “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)

  40. dweller Said:

    Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.

    A distinction w/out a difference.

    hierophant???? I hope so we all have our missions, Your F@@@ing jeeeeezus and me. 😛

  41. dweller Said:

    Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.

    A distinction w/out a difference.

    hierophant???? I hope so we all have our missions, Your F@@@ing jeeeeezus and me. 😛

    Jeeeeeezus the liar and fraud:

    “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

    “Behold, I have told you in advance. So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out, or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

    Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.“ (Matthew 24: 25-34)

    “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven. Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place…“ (Mark 13:26-30)

    “Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ (Luke 21:27-32)

    In these passages Jesus is explicit about his return. He said that he would return riding the clouds with angels to judge the world and that with the sound of a trumpet he would send his angels to gather his chosen ones from the Earth. This would be no secret, invisible or “spiritual” event. Instead, the whole world would see him in the sky just the whole world sees the light of the sun. This was to happen some time during the generation of those to whom he was speaking. To make it clear to his listeners that this event would not be in the distant future, he told them that some of them who were there listening to him would still be alive to see it.

    Liar Liar pants on fire!!!!!!

    “But Jesus kept silent and the high priest said to Him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.” Jesus said to him, “You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.“” (Matthew 26: 63, 64)

    “And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.” (Hebrews 10:24-25)

    “Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.” (1 John 2:18)

    “Do not seek a wife. This is what I mean, brothers: the appointed time has grown very short. From now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none, and those who mourn as though they were not mourning, and those who rejoice as though they were not rejoicing, and those who buy as though they had no goods, and those who deal with the world as though they had no dealings with it. For the present form of this world is passing away.” (1 Corinthians 7:27,29-31)

    “The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)

    Still waiting after all these years and you still worship a dead Putz!!! AH!!!!! 😛 😛 😛