By Ted Belman
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@ mrg3105:
A common conceit among the Orthodox.
— Every type of Jew has such shticklach of one sort or another, and this is one of theirs.
TaNaKh is the common heritage of humanity.
The fact that it was given to the world THRU the Jewish people doesn’t make it anybody’s ‘property’ — whether ‘culturally’ or in any OTHER sense.
— Rather, it means that “the PEOPLE ISRAEL” have a duty to patiently 7 steadfastly help the others to “make sense of” what was first entrusted to them.
Not remotely; you aren’t even in the ballpark on this matter.
Normally, yes; absolutely. (That’s why he didn’t hesitate to heal the sick & injured on shabbat.)
I told you before: to complete the mission for which he was born — to force the hand of haSoton. He tempted the Adversary (even as the latter tempts man); tempted him to exceed his lawful mandate. Think of it as a great, cosmic “Sting” operation. No way it could happen w/o his dying; it was in the job description from Day One.
He could know that eventuality and disapprove WITHOUT being a ‘god’ — but could not have completed his mission without being a man capable of being killed.
The Gospel record is clear that he never made (nor intimated) any claim to ‘divinity’ — and records him SAYING, in fact, quite a lot which made perfectly plain that he had no such pretensions of any sort. As a man, he would’ve been embarrassed by the notion. As a Jew, he would’ve been scandalized by it.
Did he see the future? He does seem to have had gifts of both prophecy & clairvoyance. Made very clear however, that he did not presume to be omniscient. Speaking of his 2nd advent, he said, “But of that day & hour no one knows; neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father.” Mk 13:32.
You may know what “putz” means, but you know NOTHING of what he means, because he was no ‘putz’ — and was Jewish before he was made into some kind of ‘god’ by goyim.
That’s an easy one: They do this to stay in Yamit’s good graces. They need his ‘validation’ of their ‘Jewishness,’ and he provides it (sometimes overtly; other times, more subtly) in return for their piling-on in his behalf when he & I are going at it, or covering for him in this regard when his arse is dragging.
He has managed to parlay a great mass of data in matters Jewish, Israeli, etc, into a position amounting to something like that of an informal hierophant around here. When you observe somebody ‘debating’ me here, you’re just seeing someone who’s paying his/her dues to Capt Huff’n’puff.
I do think about it from-time-to-time.
— But it has nothing to do with me.
@ bernard ross:
I think it’s an insult to ADONOI for you to characterize the nativity narrative in that way, and a disgrace to the Jewish people that you could presume to spout that pig plop on their behalf.
Can’t be both pagan AND truly christian. Make up your mind which it is.
@ bernard ross:
In that case I hope you never find yourself unjustly accused of something (or, for that matter, justly accused) and on trial in front of an all-Jewish jury which is so-constituted purely because self-professed Christians were systematically excluded from it. . . .
I really must say, Bernard, I’d like to be able to see things from your point of view, but the truth is I’ve just never been able to get my head far enough up my arse to DO that. You really AREN’T very bright, are you? Okay, we’ll plod again:
The “Christians” of 13th century Europe (or even early 20th century Europe) are NOT the Christians of 21st century America; got that? In the 13th century, you belonged to the dominant religion of the region where you lived; it was expected & obligatory.
In the 13th century, you couldn’t read, so you didn’t even know what the contents of NT or OT even consisted of; you just followed the herd, and if the herd did Evil & called it ‘Christian,’ you had no control over it, unless you could afford to relocate yourself & your family to somewhere thousands of miles away. If you stayed & tried to fight it, you were probably a dead man, sooner or later; and your family with you.
In 21st century America, it’s not merely NOT obligatory to be a self-professed Christian; there’s enormous pressure to not be one. And it’s damned expensive to BE one if you resist the pressure to NOT be one (and getting worse all the time):
— you could lose your job, your business, your accreditation, your career, your property, your community standing; you could lose your spouse & your home; you could lose your kids, morally; hell, you could lose your kids PHYSICALLY.
In 21st century USA, Christians are the ones under attack; they aren’t libelers, they aren’t the persecutors. And in other places than USA, it’s worse yet for Christians.
@ bernard ross:
My parents say I’m a Jew.
My grandparents say I’m a Jew.
The Mohel says I’m a Jew.
The Rabbi says says I’m a Jew.
The Hazzan says I’m a Jew.
The Gabbai says I’m a Jew.
The President of the Congregation says I’m a Jew.
The President of the Tallis & Tefillin Society says I’m a Jew.
The President of the Sisterhood says I’m a Jew.
The Principal of the Hebrew School says I’m a Jew.
But who are they all to think they know anything.
— If they only checked with YOU, they’d be sure to get the straight skinny on me.
@ bernard ross:
I don’t care who ‘presents’ a narrative; I examine the narrative on its OWN terms. Sometimes enemies speak truth in spite of themselves. Sometimes friends spout garbage notwithstanding my affection for them. Where truth is concerned, an honest man knows that it doesn’t matter WHO’s right so much as WHAT’s right.
The gospel narratives don’t speak well for persecutors, even if SOME of such individuals purport to endorse those narratives. If you can’t wrap your head around that, I can’t say I’m surprised; but then, in many ways you remind me, quite strikingly, a lot more of the persecutors than of my Jewish forbears whom they persecuted.
@ bernard ross:
But I AM paying attention. I’m giving you all the rope you need to choke yourself.
Show me “evidence & support” for the above proposition. Bottom line is that it’s no more ‘provable’ than the Nativity narrative, and regardless of how you slice it & dice it, you’re stuck with that realization.
Translation: ‘Hooray for our side. Objective reality, be damned.’
No need to ask; I GET it. You’ve long made it crystal clear: you’re a bigot
— every bit as MUCH of a bigot as those old time Christians you so love to condemn.
dweller, I think there is something you didn’t get when you were growing up.
However, almost any 13 yo orthodox boy can set you right on this.
TaNaKh is the CULTURAL PROPERTY of the PEOPLE ISRAEL.
It says so ALL OVER IT, so one doesn’t need to look for that unique identifying mark.
Xtianity has TAKEN WITHOUT ASKING Jewish cultural property, and is using it free of charge. Or rather misusing it.
Not only that, but some German dufuses in the 19th century decided to appropriate it to show *they* know OUR PROPERTY better than We the People!
So they took this property and said; here wee hav ze houss, so zis is belonging to one person, and zis lot is zee garage, so is mussst belong to ein mechanik, and ziss lot is zee garden so is mussst belong to zee gardener, and zis lot is a lawn so iz owned by zee golfer! Oh how wonderfully smart wee Schermans are!
In reality no one can make any sense of the property unless the owner explains what all the parts of it are all about, and for.
Its like that old house built in the 19th century and standing vacant for 30 years. New buyers come and the RE agent says; well here we have an excellent example of….er…what DO you call that thing? And here we have an old oak bed, not knowing its handmade and shipped in the 18th century from Spain at great expense to the family. And here we have an antique bookshelf, never realising that six generations of the owners were educated from the books on its shelves.
Our ‘house’ has stood for 3,300+ years. Xtins today cannot IMAGINE the memories it contains. It is incomparable to the Roman shack that hides a Greek philosophical hovel within.
This is because CULTURAL PROPERTY comes with cultural memories. Xtians just don’t have these. They took some of our memories, but they don’t make any sense; like another’s dream uninterpreted. Yet, We have continue to Dream…
So Jews don’t need to prove anything. If you don’t like it, just LEAVE THE PROPERTY. We promise not to remember you were ever there.
If JC actually existed, he was a well meaning but useless putz. The FIRST obligation of a Jew is to save a life. He allowed himself to be killed for what? So more non-Jews can celebrate his death with a pork-eating contest around a Scandinavian pagan tree-worshipping ceremony?
If he was a god, he would know this eventuality, and I dare say he would not approve 🙂 But, he was just a putz. And I know what this word means because I come from a city which was Jewish before you could buy a bagel in NY.
Frankly I don’t know why people here spend so much time ‘debating’ you. Xtianity legitimised Greek culture with a Jewish ‘flavour’. But, it still stinks. Greek culture failed. Could not survive. Collapsed inwards, and is still collapsing. Greece is a basket case despite being rescued from the Turks by the Germans. Greek culture is destroying the fabric of the European and American societies. From their ‘greatness’ of their homosexual Alexandrian ’empire’ they have lost everything. Greece is for sale today!
Think about this.
@ bernard ross:
@ mrg3105:
@ dove:
We Will Survive
@ mrg3105:
You’ve YET to show me to have been ‘wrong’ — and if I’m wrong this time, you surely haven’t made the case for it.
Look, there’s plenty to be said about the David/Goliath narrative; none of it, however (including your own observations in the matter) is relevant here.
If you review the pertinent part of this thread (post #26, above, incorporates it), you’ll see that I’d offered the challenge to ‘prove’ the historicity of it SOLELY to show that the mere absence of external corroboration does not, of itself, invalidate a story. The reply from Ross was that the factual truth or falsehood of the narrative does not “impact” on Judaism or its essentials, as the Jeshua Nativity story does on [what is called] “Xty.”
Accordingly I asked for evidence to establish the truth or falsehood of the promises of the Most High to give Cana’an to the Jews, since this presumably DOES impact on Judaism; yet would be no easier to establish w/ external corroboration than the Nativity story. Etc. As you can see, then, the David/Goliath narrative was intended merely as an example of something, and was strictly peripheral to the point at hand.
So He’s more likely to be impressed if they make a point of supporting His causes, eh? — I’d have to say that this smacks of a certain species of anthropomorphism, to say nothing of an inclination to think the Man-in-the-Sky subject to bribery, brown-nosing, kissing-up, etc — a proposition which has GOT to be getting a good horse laugh out of Him right about now (and how’s that for anthropomorphism!).
These are not the words of a believer so much as those of a partisan.
When we stand — each of us — ALONE, before Him, we shall be (in every way)
— NAKED.
@ bernard ross:
I am starting to understand why Dweller is a source of entertainment when you get bored.
@ dweller:
I C…. so….before the fall Adam didn’t have the perks and squirts of a man but after the fall he did???
Sounds like he would have liked himself much better after the fall!
@ dweller:
Exodus 23:2 Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil;
But according to you those christians who BR claims did atrocious things against the Jews were not real christians.
Discounting those bad and not real christians; [who not only acted but morally supported and contributed to that end] in their support could not be real christians according to you either. That leaves how many real christians in the world 15 maybe 30?
When you need the numbers you say look all those christians can’t be wrong but when those same numbers are an embarrassment then you disown them. GOT IT!!!! 😛
bernard ross Said:
dweller:
Thou Shall Not Commit Logical Fallacies!!!!!!
False Cause!!!!!:
Presuming that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other!!!!
bernard ross Said:
Still dropping acid or suffering their after effects from long term usage. Classic dementia!!!!!
dweller Said:
the interesting thiing about your words when googled leads to the same phrase and conclusions BUT I was unable to find any publication or link to the actual poll even in the article in Newsweek which made this claim. I have never seen poll results claimed without the link to the actual poll itself in a major publication. I thought this story was fishy and doubted the claims I would like to see the actual poll if you can find it, I googled it and could not, only the exact same claim you posted, but no actual poll.
@ dove:
No insult to Adonoi; not at all. As CREATED, Adam couldn’t father children. Didn’t need to. He was IMMORTAL. In Eden, the fruit of the Tree of Life was NOT off-limits to him (them). Only the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil was forbidden them.
With their initial disobedience,however, they lost their immortality and were cast out of the Garden — so they COULD NO LONGER partake of the Tree of Life [Gen 3:22]. As they were now mortal, they needed to perpetuate themselves — as they had never lost (and we SHALL never lose) the longing for eternity in their hearts. At the moment of their disobedience, their bodies began to change, to accommodate their new need to reproduce themselves.
A true ‘god’ of ANY sort — is self-existent; cannot be created or destroyed. Adam is properly called a “SON of God,” as are the angels, and as was/is Jeshua haNitzri — because ALL of the foregoing were direct creations, as distinct from the products of a naturally ordained process.
dweller Said:
I also never read the chronicles of Narnia which apparently featured a talking lion with brilliant sayings. the one thing that impressed YOU seemed like nothing to me about the “secret sins”.
When so many people over thousands of years commit the despicable behaviors they committed on the Jews and they identify themselves with your nitzri, I have the same attraction to their bible as I do to Hitlers Mein Kampf. Lots of folks talk a storm about themselves, just like you do, but the best indicator is their behavior. It appears that those who listened to the “brilliant” sayings for 2000 years hardly wavered from their dirty ways. You may fool yourself into compartmentalizing your mythological characters sayings from those who followed him but that is merely dishonesty or poor judgement. After watching them find every possible way to persecute Jews for thousands of years we find that what they had in common was that they followed your nitzri, just like you.
dweller Said:
polls have been wrong before…. like I said if it was generally accepted as a fact they would teach it in their schools… they only teach it in sunday school. but it is irrelvant because it was generally accepted as a fact that the jews killed their god and baked christian blood into matzo…
all irrelevant tangents because you still have not shown one shred of evidence or support that does not come from non jewish sources wrt the NT being historical fact. any fool can make assertions and many fools can beleive those assertions. Its just stories by christians about jews and we already know how trustworthy they are in that regard… not you though.
Why not just tout your myths where they are believed, why plague the jews with your christian stalking.
dweller, yet again you are wrong.
Had you read into the Goliath and David story at a deeper level, you would have realised that the reason HaShem is not mentioned in it is because David was just a very smart Jewish kid. One analysis suggests that when he challenged Goliath, he may as well have been armed with .45 Magnum and held it to the giant’s head. That is, David couldn’t loose the contest.
As for “all men stand equal before God”, that too is not true. It really depends what they ‘stand’ for 🙂
If they stand (t’amud) trice daily BEGGING to be allowed to rebuild God’s dwelling, it seems to me they ‘stand’ a bit closer to His attention than those that bow down to wood, stone and metal, and kill His chosen nation.
Bernard Ross Said:
Rubbish……. I have never heard one jew attest to your pagan christian myth that a G_D of Israel went into a woman who gave birth to the Jewish messiah. there is nothing jewish about your fairy tale. You are a christian, a follower of jesus who belives that his god had a union with a woman and gave birth to a jewish messiah. Nothing jewish here except the jews bible was hijacked by the deceitful who proceeded to slaughter the Jews. You follow the same one that they followed.
dweller Said:
duncebat, you are not paying attention… I said evidence and support… in theological matters wrt Jews FOR ME jewish attestation provides a measure of support whereas FOR ME christian attestation about gods mating jewish women and popping out jewsih messiahs have not one iota one shred, one thread of support…..
Why you may well ask?
here is why, once more for the umpteenth time:
The christians spent almost 2000 years lying about, libeling, swindling, torturing, slaughtering burning the bibles and books of etc etc etc. ….
not only that, I have never heard of one Jewish authority attest to the existence of Jesus, his disciples, his virgin birth, etc…….
You apparently have no problem accepting narratives presented by the jew killers and jew swindlers those who had us slaughtered for killing their half god man.
You say you are a Jew, but I have never heard of any Jew who does not understand that narratives about Jews from the jew libeling collective should not be relied upon. I dont care what you are, but it is an insult to the Jewish people to tout these christian narratives of the G_D of Israel mating with a Jewish woman and popping out a jewish messiah. I dont care what you beleive, but everything you say about your nitzri is a pagan christian narrative.
@ bernard ross:
I feel for you if these polls are accurate. It’s got to be tough living around all that paganism. It is definitely getting tougher here.
Sounds like D is hung up on his new nickname for me
Mme Ding a Ling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84359240&v=UaEC-lWSlmI&feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-ts=1421782837
Maybe this is where he got it from…….lol
@ bernard ross:
Google it; it’s not hiding in a culvert.
ALL the lines are as true as the North Star.
And there is no “MUST believe” for me; I don’t ‘have’ to believe in ANYTHING. As I noted [above], the remark was taken verbatim from an exchange I’d had with Catarin a few yrs ago. (As I’ve said, I plagiarize myself shamelessly.) Given the context & Catarin’s own outlook, it was entirely appropriate as written at the time.
Only somebody who had actually READ the words of Jeshua (which you have not done) — as well as the words of other 1st century Jews, by way of comparison (which you have likewise failed to do) — could POSSIBLY be in a position to make such a statement
— unlike some buffoonish, loudmouthed ignoramus who never so much as cracked a book in the matter, yet arrogates to HIMSELF the name of ‘Jew.’
@ bernard ross:
Ah, but it DOES. You may not like the reality. But it IS the reality, likes OR dislikes notwithstanding.
It is. The polls confirm that it is so accepted.
Quite so. But now you are changing the subject, which was not whether the narrative is true (altho it IS indeed true), but whether the narrative is accepted as fact. Here was that exchange:
WHAT ‘evidence to the contrary’??? — I’ve been WAITING to see you ‘prove’ your negative of that. And so far, you & Huffy have provided lots of noise, lots of circumstantial ‘evidence,’ MUCHO “shoulda-woulda-coulda” (DEMASIADO “shoulda-woulda-coulda”); but when it comes to a smoking gun or anything else solid & probative. . . . bubkis.
@ bernard ross:
Of course it is — when you characterize the latter THAT way. But that you would DO that just tells us something about YOU, not about the nativity narrative.
— Did YoursTruly twist the David-Goliath story? That’s the difference between us. . . . slimebag.
Okay, show me some external corroboration for the proposition that the one true sovereign Lord of the universe promised Eretz Cana’an to the Jews — and moreover, promised it to them unconditionally and in perpetuity
— unless, of course, you believe that it “does not impact on judaism or the fundamental beliefs of Judaism.”
But then, you suspect that you aren’t one either. And in that respect, you’re right on-target, as your Jewish insecurities are what propelled you to this blogsite in the first place. But these snide little snipings at diminishing my Jewishness will not do a damned thing to shore up your OWN. As I’ve told Mme Ding-a-Ling, it doesn’t work that way.
Bullshit. A Jew knows — and knows better even than other people know it — that all men stand before God as equals.
@ dweller:
Then Adam shouldn’t have been able to have children either. Kinda of an insult to The Creator.
Why don’t you call Adam a godman……hmmmm?
@ dweller
Interesting that you say IF….sounds like you aren’t too convinced.
dweller Said:
gosh, you accept biology for the woman but believe that he got nothing from his dad….. he wasnt a god, a half god or a quarter god…. why did his dad ever bother if his genes were so weak?
@ dweller:
this whole post 18 explains you. You must have been keeping this all bottled up for years. the ravings of a lunatic.
dweller Said:
the father of a mythological character such as yours
dweller Said:
I often use the word swindle when describing those who libeled, swindled, tortured and slaughtered the jews for 2000 years…. you know, the same ones who followed who you follow.
Every time you open your mouth we should expects some sort of swindle or deception. When you market and tout your nitzri here you engage in a swindle:
Deception is in the nature of your mythology.
dweller Said:
What an imagination……what is dweller smoking?
@ dove:
‘Nice try,’ nothing. A human being he was, but not an ordinary one. QTC, he was a whole different ORDER of man, created directly — as Adam was created directly, and as the angels were created directly. Of course he knew he was going to die; and moreover, die violently — that was INTEGRAL to his mission.
I told you [prev pg, #48]: “If the…the Virgin Birth represents a historical fact [and I say it does ], then Jesus had no capability to father children — because he would have had only HALF the number of chromosomes (those from his mother) that are had by the rest of us, who were conceived & born in the usual way.
Moreover [given the Virgin Birth], then Jesus was not born of the lineage of Original Sin, and would have thus had no need to reproduce himself — since Original Sin [viz., in its original understanding] meant, among other things, the loss of immortality — which loss generated the consequent need to reproduce (offspring constituting the nearest physical equivalent to immortality).”
And if the foregoing is true, then he knew, probably very early-on — certainly by the age of 12 [Lk 2:49] — that he was born for a special reason [Jn 18:37], and that his mission expressly included being killed. His body was not death-bound; he was not subject to the Law of Entropy, like the rest of us. So the only way he could die was by being actually killed. He certainly did not wish it, that much is clear [Mk 14:34-36; Lk 22:41-44]; but he would not shirk it either.
Apples & Oranges. Your comparison is absurd. Moses, Avram, Sarai were clueless until they were each directly confronted.
Jeshua didn’t need to be confronted; he was raised with the knowledge of his mission. Mary & Joseph were THEMSELVES each confronted when he was conceived.
Accordingly, a virgin-born Jesus would have had no need for sex — and, given the cosmic economy of nature, no overriding DESIRE for it either.
Bottom line:
If the Virgin Birth is true, then Jesus had no wife.
If the Virgin Birth is NOT true, then there’s nothing special or extraordinary about Jesus
— he’s just another first-century Jew who had a way with words
In which case, who gives a shrying shtup whether Jesus was, or wasn’t, ‘married’?!”
dweller Said:
I never established that goldilocks and the 3 talking bears was not factual or ahistorical either….duh??????????
dweller Said:
Of course it does not because you rely on it being what you call “generally accepted as factual”…….. just like you believe your story of a god mating a woman and pooping out a messiah is also generally accepted as fact. Even if it were, which it is not, it was also generally accepted as fact that Jews killed the christian god, and jews baked christian blood into matzoh…. sorry there is no evidence that being generally accepted as a fact proves that something is factual. Of course I realize that in spite of all reason and evidence to the contrary you do believe that a god mated a woman and pooped out a jewish messiah. therefore, you have become very special on Israelpundit, a legend.
dweller Said:
link please…. and like I said, even if it were true, the christians also beleived the jews killed their god and baked christian blood into matzoh…. hence very little presumtion of (LOL) “verity”.
dweller Said:
speaking of fantasies:
dweller Said:
The last line is the truest, but now I understand why you MUST believe in the virgin birth no matter how absurd.
dweller Said:
No first century Jew,no way with words, never even existed.
dweller, whatever high approval J got from the doctors needs to be seen in the context of the low opinion expressed for the doctors in the Talmud 🙂
No I can actually relate to that part of J’s story. You have this shepherd guy living in the hills, still not married at age 30+, the country is depopulated and under occupation. So he takes the plunge and goes to the big city to find a shiddukh. Anyone who has been through the orthodox shiddukh ‘meat market’ in NY is very likely to see crucifixion as a better alternative 😉
yamit82 Said:
And Jewish minds discuss the complex relationships between people, events and ideas 🙂
honeybee Said:
Yes I suppose sometimes silence is best
yamit82 Said:
Boring !!!!
honeybee Said:
http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif
Really? I read it author unknown and another attributed it to Eleanore Roosevelt.
What if someone discusses all three? 🙂
@ yamit82:
Benjamin Disraeli
@ dweller:
Nice try. How do you know that he knew when he was going to die? He was a man – human being – very capable of bearing children.
@ yamit82:
100% Grade A, govt-inspected projection.
No need. I’ve never had memory issues.
When I get a fix on somebody, it’s NEVER from ‘analysis’ of any kind. Comes from a different place altogether; that’s why it’s reliable (as analysis never is).
She keeps asking what became of your non-existent brains. (I keep telling her that watching too much tube sucked ’em out & replaced ’em w/ sawdust.)
Judging from what I pay the govt in taxes, I’d say the latter is the welfare recipient — not YoursTruly.
Nah. Psilocybin & Mescaline are lots more fun.
How often would you have liked, Big Boy?
At the university, yes. In prison, no.
Didn’t ‘try,’ and didn’t ‘fail.’
— Perhaps you’re speaking of yourself?
Made a living; I was happy with it.
‘Cut me off’ of what?
Don’t understand the question. Am I not supposed to love my mother, in your view?
— did you not love yours?
THIS all you’ve got today, putzeleh? Seems like your ass is draggin.’
Have you considered Geritol?
@ yamit82:
You blockquoted nothing, and the system won’t reference a post from a previous comments page; so I’ve no idea what you’re alluding to here.
It does no good to make a comment about a previous one if you provide no continuity for the exchange.
@ dove:
He had no family of his own. If he had had one, he wouldn’t be who he was, as he wouldn’t be capable of accomplishing his mission, a most singular one for which he was born.
So?
You think that even if he were capable of fathering children, that he would have deliberately done so — KNOWING w/ full certainty that he wouldn’t be around to protect them, provide for them, and guide them into adulthood?
— What kind of father would that be?
@ honeybee:
Then who said:
“Small minds discuss people. Average minds discuss events. Great minds discuss ideas.”
@ yamit82:
“Constancy is the Hobgoblin of small minds” Ralph Waldow Emerson
Never argue with an American English major. You will be quoted to death.
@ honeybee:
Matter of fact, yep!!!! Just calling a “SPADE A SPADE” 😛
@ dweller:
Since your not able to listen to audio I will print out the lyrics to a song that was on the first post (of 2015) that I commented on to you.
“We’re Not Gonna Take It”
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
WE’VE GOT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE AND
THERE AIN’T NO WAY WE’LL LOSE IT
THIS IS OUR LIFE, THIS IS OUR SONG
WE’LL FIGHT THE POWERS THAT BE JUST
DON’T PICK OUR DESTINY ‘CAUSE
YOU DON’T KNOW US, YOU DON’T BELONG
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
OH YOU’RE SO CONDESCENDING
YOUR GALL IS NEVER ENDING
WE DON’T WANT NOTHIN’, NOT A THING FROM YOU
YOUR LIFE IS TRITE AND JADED
BORING AND CONFISCATED
IF THAT’S YOUR BEST, YOUR BEST WON’T DO
OH…………………
OH…………………
WE’RE RIGHT/YEAH
WE’RE FREE/YEAH
WE’LL FIGHT/YEAH
YOU’LL SEE/YEAH
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
NO WAY!
OH…………………
OH…………………
WE’RE RIGHT/YEAH
WE’RE FREE/YEAH
WE’LL FIGHT/YEAH
YOU’LL SEE/YEAH
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT, NO!
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
JUST YOU TRY AND MAKE US
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
COME ON
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
YOU’RE ALL WORTHLESS AND WEAK
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
NOW DROP AND GIVE ME TWENTY
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT
A PLEDGE PIN
NO, WE AIN’T GONNA TAKE IT
OH YOU ON YOUR UNIFORM
WE’RE NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE
Bye bye church doctrine…
yamit82 Said:
O yah, who says you !!!!!!!!!!
@ dweller:
Thou Shall Not Commit Logical Fallacies!!!!!!
False Cause!!!!!:
Presuming that a real or perceived relationship between things means that one is the cause of the other!!!!
@ dweller:
Isn’t it convenient that more than half of J’s life is missing from the NT. Those must have been the years he was busy raising a family.
You can’t prove otherwise!