By Ted Belman
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dweller Said:
NOT a history, I already gave you definitions of history, do you have Alzheimers? just a story, like goldilocks and the 3 talking bears.
dweller Said:
no reason to, you were given 3 dictionary defintions of the word “christian” and then you said your fable quoted “neighbors”. No “neighbors” were in your fable and then you went to another tangent. The dictionary definitions are correct and your red herrings are meaningless and irrelevant. You are going around in circles repeating the same things over and over like an Alzheimer nursing home patient with a memory retention of less than 5 seconds.
dweller Said to yamit:
the overwhelming evidence submitted in his videos indeed established those as reasonable assumptions whereas you never submitted anything but support from christian sources which we already established as having the credibility of Jew defamers, libelers and slaughterers.
dweller Said:
rubbish it is your luducrous and facetious fairy tales of gods mating with women and popping out ungodly jewish messiahs which are at best, “speculative” and lacking any support whatsoever, other than your christian sources.
dweller Said:
a greater assumption would be that goldilocks and her 3 talking bears are a lie, but her story is much more believable, after all there are animals who have been taught to talk whereas I have never heard of anyone seeing a god mate a woman and pooping out a jewish messiah…… that is surely one for the books… your NT book.
dweller Said:
LOL, still up on your JW soapbox are you? Compilation, revision, burning, etc all were done after the hijacking of the hebrew bible…
no way to know who wrote them an whether they were serious or were just writing a novel. you submitted NOT ONE SHRED of evidence that it was written by Jews and even if it were it would have not one shred of relevancy to whether it was fact. You keep rehashing the same ludicrous arguments you began with:
that Jews came up seriously with a story of a god making a woman pregnant and popping out a jewish messiah.
@ <a href=”#comment-63356000149803″ title=”Go to comment of this author”>bernard ross:
@ yamit82:
Don’t worry guys. The church will be brought to it’s knees. It’s not a matter of if it’s a matter of when. In our lifetime….well mine anyways. 🙂
@ dweller:
lol…..it sounds like you are describing yourself…
@ bernard ross:
Have ‘admitted’ nothing. You’ve simply tried to win an asinine & meaningless rhetorical point. I told you: one doesn’t speak of ‘acquiescence’ on behalf of a party who is in no position to refuse.
Only one copy needs to get through for what?
You make it sound like a bacillus (only one need get thru to produce an epidemic?).
Torot were written by hand.
Why not?
I know when something’s been tampered with or is otherwise not right
YOU may not be able to, but then, you’ve never read the NT — or the ‘OT.’ So the question is academic for you.
In that case, what’s the ‘evidence’ that David killed Goliath? Absent the ‘evidence,’ shall we simply conclude that it never happened?
You bet I’ve got the ‘temerity’ to assert that it’s generally accepted as factual. Certainly stateside it is accepted; anybody who claims to be “Xtn” accepts it, and most Americans purport to be Xtns. And worldwide, Xty remains, for better or for worse, to be the most dominant of all religions (continuing to grow at an astonishing rate); so they all accept the gospel narrative.
And lots of NON-Xtns subscribe to much of the factuality of that narrative as well.
@ bernard ross:
I revised NOTHING. You cannot speak of Xtn acquiescence UNLESS they are in the majority; its meaningless to speak of acquiescence where they DON’T dominate. One doesn’t speak of Xtn acquiescence to Jewish publishing in Israel. Your arguments get stupider by the hour.
I did indeed so equate it, and quite successfully.
And how could that happen in a Xtn culture? (are you saying it was done in secret, so the goyim never knew???)
If it happened in a Xtn culture, then it was INDEED ‘filtered’ thru Xty. They may have simply elected to not mess with it, but that does not mean they COULDN’T have, had they so chosen. The inescapable fact is that they had the power to do so. If they did not exercise it, that constituted acquiescence, whether overt or implicit.
Yes, your sheer hatred for Xtns, grounded in your insecurity over your own ‘Jewishness.’ Simple indeed. All the rest is window-dressing.
You are one malicious, obnoxious, and thoroughly un-principled putz.
@ yamit82:
All scripture quotes.
Not a syllable of your own.
You sound like a pre-programmed preacher
— without a point.
@ dove:
You’re a ditto of every insecure Jew on this blog. They seek the support of other ones, and they shore up their “Jewish” credentials by putting down those Jews who don’t conform.
They are phonies, and so are you.
Obviously you don’t know very many Jewish people
— but you’re terrified that the ones you DO know won’t like you.
@ bernard ross:
No.
Part of it.
Part of it.
Mostly, however, I offered it in reply to your request for the “reason & logic” that led to those conclusions, because reason & logic — based on those other things — most certainly did enter into it. Guess you weren’t really interested, were you, in that part at all, despite what you’d said. You’re such a transparent fake.
Not born in the usual way. They were thus EACH a direct creation, a special creation. Neither was pre-existent, nor self-existent.
Why do you ask? — It really doesn’t matter HOW I answer, does it, because in the the end you will believe what it suits you to believe.
Yes, I’m sure. OTOH, he does seem to have done a number on you.
@ dweller:
Your a ditto of the Paul character. Very disliked by the Jewish people….for GOOD REASON!
@ bernard ross:
Neither irrelevant nor tangential, nor a ‘red herring.’ What you know is INDEED to the point insofar as you can even have standing to argue or be listened to. Why should anybody take seriously the claims of one who has not examined the primary materials over which he disputes???
I certainly CAN deny the claim, but I will not argue the matter with a flagrant ignoramus.
@ dove:
@ dweller:
Au contraire:
— sechel.
@ yamit82:
@ bernard ross:
Well, of course he would.
Like you, he conveniently overlooks the fact that COMPILATION was done — by gentiles — some centuries after the original WRITING had been done by Jews.
@ bernard ross:
This is sheer, empty rhetoric. YOU’ve got nothing more of substance than Huff’n’puff himself has got.
He was given AMPLE opportunity to show me to have been factually wrong just one solitary time: wrt further usages of the word “Christian” in NT, or other instances of Jewish literature (apart from originally oral material) where repetition of special language is avoided (as in Talmud)
— yet has produced, thus far, not one single instance of that. He’s all palaver. And so are you.
So you DON’T believe God is a spirit? (Some ‘Jew’ YOU are. . . .)
And what’s ‘gratuitous’ about noting that a true God could not be corporeal or physical??? In context, the observation was very MUCH in order, since you had compared the nativity narrative to the tales of pagan gods (who were physical) mating sexually w/ human women — an moronic analogy from Square One.
Relevant to what? The ‘facts’ he’s posted are all speculative as to whether the gospel narratives are true. His postings are mostly rehashings of tired claims of buddhist & atheist cranks.
Again, all he has really shown is that it’s damned hard to ‘prove’ a negative. But then, like you, he isn’t honestly seeking to discover the truth. He just wants reinforcement & validation for a preexisting position. So anything he can find that makes noises he likes to hear will do.
You don’t KNOW the gospel record to be a ‘lie.’Your characterization is strictly an assumption.
(In fact, if I had the same, undisciplined, strictly partisan and unobjective, non-scientific attitude you display, I could call YOUR words “a big lie.”)
yamit82 Said:
yep, that argument that the romans wrote it to pacify and subject the jews makes more sense daily, after that they opened more franchises.
@ bernard ross:
You will love this!!!!!!
God Appointed Hitler? (The New Testament, Government, & Morality)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7UVQ9KRxew
bernard ross Said:
That has always been my take on him…. I will tell you some time how many holes and contradictions I’ve picked up on him that make his personal claims too implausible to be true. I have long maintained that the NT could never have been authored by Jews and that Paul most assuredly could not have been a Jew.
All of th clips I have posted are by gentiles not Jews.
Jews are still too afraid of chrisitians to stick their sorry necks out…. 😉
@ dove:
Shavua Tov Dov.
Your excitement is infectious. May you never lose it and have a very good week!!
yamit82 Said:
Dweller appears to be trying the same “shoehorning of Jesus” into the Hebrew Bible. there is so much presented against his arguments to which he has not answered. The videos are good and to the point, he obviously is ignoring them. where does he get this stuff of a god in a “union” with a woman pooping out a Jewish messiah? I can understand the chrisians but I thought he had more sense. Why would he choose to believe the dark side if he was a Jew or even a secular? I think his stories about himself are false and like Paul becomes as Jew when with the Jews.
@ bernard ross:
Pls watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RjJXduuNlg
@ yamit82:
todah rabbah!
I am very fortunate. I have a Rabbi teaching me one on one plus I have audio, video and print lessons. I study hebrew every day between my once a week classes with the Rabbi. Right now we are on a winter break and classes should resume soon. I still study every day so I don’t forget what I have already learn.
I can read Hebrew now! I am so excited to have learned so much in a short time! It really is my mother tongue. It’s seems so natural.
shavoo’ah tov!
@ dove:
Happy to see you are progressing with your Hebrew!! Kol Hakavod Dov. Proud of you. 🙂
bernard ross Said:
A- dweller maintains that he writes for the widest audience and not just for us.
B- My statement is the videos that he can agree with or not but in the very slim chance anyone besides us reads this stuff I’m sure they will enjoy and comprehend the the clips I have selected and posted. They are straight forward arguments with references and I accept most of their arguments so why should as he does take others arguments and rearrange a few words and call them my own. I submit their arguments as my own and stand with them unless and until they are refuted with facts or good credible rational and or logical arguments against.
Besides our arguments he now has to contend with audio visuals and his comments today re” clips I posted means that when he chooses he can watch and hear the videos so I assume he can do the same the with ones I posted today.
I can beat him 3 ways to Sunday either with the argument of the whole christian BS narrative as an a- historical myth and farce but that even if shown to be not fully myth certainly I have shown his messiah not to be in truth and fact in fact it’s an impossibility.
C- I have also demonstrated that the god he claims as his is not the same god as the biblical G-d of the Jews.
He loses every which way he turns.
@ bernard ross:
Evidence Paul was not Jewish:
1 Thessalonians 2:14-16New International Version (NIV)
yamit82 Said:
he cant watch videos, so he has his escape route pre aaranged. you have carpet bombed him with facts about his NT, authorship, Messiah, christian misrepresentation and revision of the Hebrew bible, etc etc etc. I notice that he gives no rebuttal of any of the facts asserted. His arguments are repeatedly turned into mince meat. His only [non] argument (lucky him) is that you didnt make the argument yourself
😛 😛 😛
@ dweller:
@ bernard ross:
1 Timothy 2:11-15New International Version (NIV)
Jews offspring of Satan 🙂
John 8:42-44New International Version (NIV)
Titus 1:10-14New International Version (NIV)
Rebuking Those Who Fail to Do Good
@ bernard ross:
@ dweller:
Making a Messiah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08k6s2zKLsA&feature=autoplay&list=PL518B86510D28FE50&playnext=1
dweller Said:
Such a fairy tale, who told you this bedtime story? did you make it up, did you get it from your “intuition”, did you read about it in your NT; which NT version did you use?
Adam was not born, he was fashioned from the earth but you say your nitzri was the progeny of a union between a god and a woman. Adam was created but you say your nitzri was born of a woman… How did you know a god did a deed inside her, who told you, from where did that info come? Are you sure your “adversary” didn’t do that deed inside her?
dweller Said:
you have already admitted that they were able to transmit it without christian acquiescence.
Yamit Said:
as long as Jews are able to control the transmission. Only one copy needs to get through. You cannot compare jewish transmission with the transmission of jew libelers wrt Jewish issues. i am astounded that this is not the major issue for you, that you take their documents as credible. But then that is what most christians would naturally do, though not all.
dweller Said:
Your statement has no basis in logic. He who asserts facts must present the evidence and support. Certainly you could not have the temerity to assert that your claims of a a god in a union with a woman produced a jewish messiah are “generally accepted as factual”. In asserting a fact an argument can assert “self evidence” but this argument would be untenable if asserting the 3 talking bears of goldilocks or the half god man born of a union between a god and a woman.
@ bernard ross:
@ dweller:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx5EKaY1B8g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0pgcHkrP0
dweller Said:
LOL, You said that your nitzri was the Jewish messiah who was born from a virgin as a result of a union between a god and a woman. What did you hazzan think of your “judaism”? Did you forget the 3 dictionary definitions of a Christian that I posted for your enlightenment already: that a christian is a follower of Jesus (who woulda thought…?)?
dweller Said:
the original issue was indeed that the only NT’s in existence were filtered through christianity and that the 2000 years of defaming, libleing, swindling, torturing,book burning, slaughtering which christianity visited upon the jews after hijacking the hebrew bible rendered them a completely incredulous source wrt any NT issue… including claims of it being a Jewish source, the existence of jesus and the factual assertions therein…… it is a totally stained source. You appear to have twisted it into the christian rendition of the tanakh as opposed to the NT itself.
It still remains as it did pages ago that there is no evidence or support for the existence of Jesus, his disciples,etc as the only support for it comes from the NT filtered through the hands of despicable persecutors of the Jews. All the same parameters of argument at the beginning remain the same. Stained NT, stained christianity, stained unsupported assertions, a potpouri of sewage from stained sources which you keep resubmitting in various tricky ways. Its all still the same BS.
Bernard Ross Said:
the adoring acolyte of christian revisionism applies his skills in revising his own statements. LOL, clearly you made a statement that the Hebrew bible was subject to christian acquiescence for its transmission and trying to equate it with my statement that there is no NT that was not filtered and transmitted by christianity. Its ok, we understand, becausse you also said countless times that you NEVER lie; I think you referred to it as “marketing”. 😛 😛 😛
My statement remains true that there was no transmission of the NT that was not filtered through Christianity whereas versions of the hebrew bible did pass down unfiltered through christianity. Christian filtering, transmission etc marks it as an incredulous source because those who hijacked the hebrew bible and swindled, libeled, defamed and tortured the jews for 2000 years cannot be trusted to speak the truth about the Jews.
You try to make everything complicated but the same simple principle remains spite of the many pages and mountains of intentionally obfuscating posts you have attempted here.
Bernard Ross Said:
Irrelevant tangent and red herring; what I know is not the point but whether the Christians hijacked the hebrew bible. Obviously you cannot deny the fact and therefore seek a red herring as another tangent.
Bernard Ross Said:
really, why would you conjure up such a perverted and deviant imagery? I am sure you could have other observations of what happens to “malicious persons”. It appears to say more about YOU and your proclivities, your obsessions, your perversions than about any “malicious persons”.
@ dweller:
chutz’pah
@ yamit82:
ain b’aya
🙂
@ bernard ross:
A true God has no genes at all. He’s self-existent & eternal and isn’t physical; thus has no need to perpetuate Himself, so He isn’t ‘sexual’ either.
The Messiah, who was born of that special creation, had no more ‘godlike powers’ than did Adam, who was ALSO born of a special creation. No reason to have ‘special powers,’ in either instance.
Like Adam (before the latter’s initial disobedience), he had a bright nature, which was not subject to compulsiveness. Unlike Adam, however, he never yielded to temptation; thus never lost that bright nature.
Thus the Adversary had no choice but to arrange his death — as was intended before the Adversary ever knew it.
“The devil knoweth not for Whom he works.”
@ yamit82:
@ dweller:
Have now watched the video. It is INDEED the same one, as I stated. 10:47, total running time.
My assessment, as offered earlier, stands; what the clip offers does not constitute ‘proof’ of anything, but sheer speculation based on the fact that the gospel narrative incorporates much imagery which was already existent elsewhere, and symbolism seemingly encoded in the very structure of the universe. Circumstantial evidence is not probative.
@ yamit82:
She doesn’t like the burden of disproving what is generally accepted as factual, and disclaims the burden on the fanciful grounds that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof” — an interesting concept, but hollow. She is the moving party and carries the burden.
Had HER view been the established one, a Xtn challenge to it would then have the burden, and HER position would hold the presumption of veracity. That’s standard forensic procedure.
Under the circumstances, she can simply maintain that the gospel claims are “Unproven”; I see no problem with that. But she cannot demand an inversion of the burden and the presumption.
@ yamit82:
Once again, you miss the point. (Not very quick on the uptake at 3 am, are you?) The reason the mesorah is reliable is not that it’s ‘foolproof,’ but that the broader Xtn culture wasn’t INTERESTED in controlling what Jews published. It may have had its own differing perspective, but it wasn’t bent on throttling or interfering with any other one; certainly not in the New World, it wasn’t.
And if the broader Xtn culture WASN’T interested in silencing or twisting a Jewish p-o-v, then it seems less-than-likely that its own take on the “OT” — while diverging, in some respects from the mainstream Jewish one — would NECESSARILY represent an intentional misstatement of what it knew to be true.
The original issue here, remember, was not whether the Jewish-written NT — which, in the present age, only gentile Xtns relate to — incorporates a faithful (viz., accurate) rendering & interpretation of Tanach, but whether “Christendom”s intentions wrt Tanach are trustworthy & HONORABLE.
I know WHEN I need proof and when I don’t.
I know which things require proving, and which things don’t.
I knew, for sure, e.g., that I needed proof for the absurdly outlandish statement that “The Jews transmitted their culture without Christian acquiescence…”
Just knowing how Europe had been convulsed in the intra -Xtn struggle — over the printing of (& popular access to) the Bible[s], heresy, witchcraft, monarchical successions, the 30-yrs’ War, etc — made it unmistakably plain that if they’d actually wanted to prevent, direct, or distort Jewish production of Tanachim, that they sure-as-hell could have.
Don’t recall any forgeries, BS, or outright lies in it. I maintain a personal policy of leaving any (apparent) contradiction an open question till I have greater clarity in a matter (& that goes for ANYTHING I’m called upon to deal with, incl Tanach).
As for bad vibes — frankly, boychik, I think you know that I pick up way more of that from certain quarters of this blogsite than from any conjured malevolence emanating from the pages of NT itself (or even from those clumsies who use it as a bludgeon).
And can you ALSO think of a more ‘plausible’ & ‘logical’ one for the sudden bursting into flame of Elijah’s sacrifice after both the offering AND the stone altar it rested on had been drenched w/ bucket after bucket of water? — flame that licked up even the water in the trench around the altar?
And the above-noted event [1 Melachim 18]: is THAT history or “pagan myth”?
@ yamit82:
No more than HE carried on his OWN life as if nothing happened to him. He “ascended,” entered another dimension apparently — and took them with him, even as he had taken them with him from the underworld where they had awaited his coming after they died.
Not necessarily”: In the 1st century there was little Jewish religious writing of ANY sort, because of rabbinical POLICY:
LMSS. In 8 years of posting, what comment of mine have you NOT, essentially, said that about?
ANYBODY who believes in the resurrection of the dead is a ‘Zombie man’ — and that would include the peyroushim [Pharisees] (who would later form the basis of post-Temple, rabbinical Judaism).
@ dove:
Given a choice? — Better solitary lupine dignity than herd-driven bovine cowardice; any time, any day, hands down.
No cellar for this dweller. “He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High will abide secure in the shadow of the Almighty.”
@ dove:
Nope; from my ‘version,’ he was/is a Torah Jew who was born at the ‘top,’ conceived at the top, MADE at the top. He couldn’t have successfully completed his mission had it been otherwise.
No need to convince ME of that. It’s these other turkeys who are insisting that ‘if he were real,’ then with God for a Father, he would himself have had to be a ‘godman.’
As I’ve told them, however, Jesus’ mission required (among other things) that he die.
— And a ‘half-god’ cannot die (any more than a half-wit can reason).
Then again, of course, if you ask the clique, they will readily tell you Jesus ‘never existed’ — that the ENTIRE gospel narrative is strictly a bubbe meise, a myth, a hoax, a legend, a fairy tale.
What ‘real Jews’ would THOSE be? — Anybody who harps about “real” Jews is flatly insecure in his/her own Jewishness and is simply trying to establish his Jewish ‘credentials’ with OTHER (similarly insecure) Jews on board here. (Oh, yes, it happens quite a lot on this site, and it’s as authentic as a kosher pork chop, no matter who resorts to playing that game or why.)
Looked to Moses as a ‘god’??? — Where in the Torah does it say THAT? (Maybe in a long lost chapter whose discovery was announced some morning when I skipped CNN to watch Deppity Dawg?)
“You christians”? “persecuting”?
I’ve never persecuted anybody in my life.
What’s more, I’ve never been a ‘christian’ — I’ve always said Jesus was cool; never said Jesus was ‘God.’ I was the hazzan’s protégé in my parents’ shul till I went off to the university.
But you just talk that shit to me about “you Christians” as a means of establishing your OWN ‘Jewish’ credentials. There are more than a few people around here who play that same lame-assed game
— yet playing it doesn’t make THEM any more ‘Jewish’ than it makes YOU any more ‘Jewish.’
QTC, all it really does is show how wretched the players all are, that they would feel they have to stoop so low. . . .
@ dweller:
Are the New Testament gospels history? Where’s the proof? | Acharya S | D.M. Murdock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsaRQDxmLqY
dweller Said:
So then what did his zombies do carry on their lives as if nothing happened to them? Their families and neighbors just ignored their zombie relatives return and or just accepted them as natural every day occurrence? The Roman Authorities also accepted it as normal and did nothing about it? That period of historic was one of the most prolic literary periods and if something like that had happened there would be some extra biblical writing and notice of such a thing. Nobody had the power to silence everyone nobody. Your attempt at apologetics is implausible, impossible even illogical enough to make it as laughable as the story and you. Pathetic attempt but you ain’t got much going for you in this one. Think I’ll all you Zombie man.
It ain’t history dweller it’s pagan myth just like the rest of the trashy book you revere.
You really don’t know much about Jewish Mesorah, the system was perfect and fool proof, even under extreme duress which happened from time to time. Unlike christianity Judaism only bases doctrine on the 613 commandments nothing else in Tanach or oral law. ‘ONLY THE COMMANDMENTS’
You don’t need proof of anything do you? Your tunned in antennae never pick up any negative vibes about the BS and contradictions forgeries and outright lies in your stupid book?? Wonder what that says about the retarded god you worship and to, the intellectually stilted brain dead follower after pagan idols and beliefs???
Even I can think of several even more plausible and logical explanations than the one you subscribe or ascribe to.
There is not point, only sick dementia. Pathetic Zombie-man!! 😛
@ dweller:
Hey Dwell…it doesn’t matter. The ‘story’ of Jesus depicts him as Jewish. Nothing christian about him. No christian bible then – only Torah. From the ‘story’ whatever angle you look at him from – he would have been a Torah Jew. From your version – he would have been a Torah Jew that made it to the ‘top’. He was still a man – not a godman. We real Jews have learned from our history not to look to man as a god. That’s what the Israelites did with Moses and many of them were killed for it. You christians have continued with persecuting us for the past 2 millenia.
@ yamit82:
Yes, he brought them WITH him when he returned from the place of the dead. They had died (before his advent) trusting in his coming. “…he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live …” Jn 11:25
5th Article of the ORIGINAL creed, the Apostles’ Creed, which predates the Nicene Creed by 100’s of yrs (& makes no allusion to any purported ‘divinity’ of haNitzri): “He descended into [Sheol]; the third day He rose again from the dead…”
How interesting that you ‘KNOW FOR A FACT’ that “nobody heard of them saw them or wrote about them.” A little bird told you, did he, that THIS time there would be no suppressing of history?
@ yamit82:
Sure — as long as the dominant culture was Jewish. Clearly I was talking about one which was dominated by gentiles , and where Jews constituted a tiny minority. In such a situation, whatever was published appeared only w/ the acquiescence — whether declared or by default — of the broader society.
Exactly.
To me they are.
But then, I never needed ‘proof.’
Of course not. No tomb could hold him.
That was the point. . . .
@ dove:
🙂
I see ‘lone wolf’ cellar dweller is still at it.
Yesterday a woman came to my door. She tried to shove a christian evangelical tract in my hand. I said “It’s ok. I am verrrrrry saved!” A big smile came across her face. Then I added “FROM people like YOU!” She scurried off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KOqk_q4NLLI
It’s too bad dweller can’t listen to this….his choice to remain deaf to the truth.
dweller Said:
dweller Said:
Well I suppose or never heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls Isiah scroll almost 100% intact and there are no deviations from the texts we use today. Meaning: Jewish means and method of transmission is nearly 100% flawless. Most of the scrolls predate the christian narrative time line and events.
I can’t as you asked a few times : to prove Abraham ever lived but we do have what is considered his traditional tomb accepted and revered by All nations Muslim Christian and Jewish, we also have Rachel’s Tomb and Joseph’s Tomb. Are they all the real tombs of real historical figures?
Tell me you got a tomb for yeshu???? Thought not!!!! 😛 😛
@ bernard ross:
@ dweller:
The First Zombies??? So what happened to the Zombies??
Here there is an account of the dead arisen and walking about Jerusalem and how interesting that nobody heard of them saw them and then wrote about them.
Tens of thousands of dead Zombies walking about surely had to be noticed and written about at the time!!!!!!
Love Zombie stories are you one of them dweller or a direct descendent of your Jezzuus Zombies dweller???? If your god can knock up a mortal why not raise a whole tribe of Zombies?
Matthew 27:51-53
Context
😛 😛
@ yamit82:
@ bernard ross:
Proof, please.
Mmm; a trifle shocking perhaps, seen from that perspective?
No imagination involved. Only reason, logic & simple horse sense.
First, what exactly do you need to have ‘verified’?
— what part of the remark do you question?
That the dominant culture was overwhelmingly Xty???
That Tanachim couldn’t have been produced within an overwhelmingly goyish culture w/o the acquiescence — overt or implicit — of those who dominated it?
@ bernard ross:
Not at all. Unlike yourself, I understand what learning consists of, and that is something more than merely parroting what various (consciously or unconsciously) selected ‘leaders’ & role models declare, or intimate, to be true.
I deny that YOU ‘know’ it to be a fact; which is more to the point here.
Not self-evident to you. You take it on faith.
You have no direct knowledge within yourself of its truth (or of its falsity).
There’s no part that I do not understand.
— Which is WHY I can understand that you DON’T know for yourself that what you’ve said is true; you merely assume it’s true. But if it IS true, you don’t know FOR YOURSELF that it’s true. You just regurgitate what you’ve come to accept for (excuse the expression:) gospel.
You don’t know what’s in NT, because you haven’t READ it.
What’s more, you don’t know what’s in ‘OT,’ because you haven’t read THAT either.
Since you don’t know what’s in either one, you can’t compare them — so YOU don’t know, for yourself, that one represents a ‘hijacking’ of the other. (SOMEBODY may know that, but you don’t.)
You’re like those guys in high school who were always TALKING about how ‘much’ they were getting laid. There were the ones who constantly talked ABOUT it. And the ones who never talked about it. . . .
@ bernard ross:
THOSE words? — Well, that’s easy: They don’t represent any ‘sexual desire’ of mine; rather, a dry, uncluttered observation of what happens to malicious persons.
They become thick, dense, dull-witted; thus can’t be bothered to do much of their own reasoning — irresponsibly palming it off to others (who’re no more qualified than they for the task), and preferring instead to leave their OWN brains in storage, where the gray matter proceeds to decompose while inevitably acquiring the characteristic properties of the location chosen.
No urges, other than to call a spade a spade.