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By Ted Belman

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  1. Though Marx, on the other hand, even in that pamphlet, did call for Jewish emancipation and civil equality Marx was a contradictory figure. His letters are full of antisemitic and racist vituperation. But, though he said slavery had been progressive during the period of primitive accumulation, he supported abolition and it was his letter to the American labor movement that swayed them towards the cause of Union and abolition in 1860. Whole union locals in the North joined up as companies. That’s why most Marxists are Marxist hyphen something else. Real Marxists. Cultural Marxists just call themselves Marxists because it hasn’t been discredited universally especially in academia and because they haven’t read any Marx.

  2. @Felix

    Marx was totally atheist. He was total opponent of religion

    I think that comment better applies to Lenin but let me ask you this: Do you believe wanting to eliminate the religion of the Jewish people and, in fact, doing it by force, as Lenin did, even if it includes others, is not an attack on the Jewish people?

  3. Hi, Tanna

    If I’m wrong, I apologize ahead of time….. this is a poor way to communicate… not as good as face to face. However, there are some excellent Rabbis that would greatly enhance your understanding on the subject of freewill and God’s will.

    Thank you for the apology. I’m not pressed for time, simply not interested.

  4. Hi, Sebastien

    @Michael I don’t understand how that led to that situation. Can you elaborate?

    I honesstly can’t remember what the presumed issues were. Sorry 🙁

  5. What does it omit well huge dollops of time…

    You should remember Marx was totally atheist. He was total opponent of religion.

    But that’s a side issue. You also do not understand history…like Wikipedia writers

  6. @Felix What is Wikipedia leaving out and i’m missing your comment on this one?

    @Felix

    In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism.

    Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society.

    Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

    The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism

    .
    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

  7. Sen thanks for links. Wikipedia writers have bias and leave enormous gaps

    Enjoyed Engels take.

    Engels 1890

    “In addition, the anti-Semite presents the facts in an entirely false light. He doesn’t even know the Jews he decries”.

    CARRIED on by all these marching for Palestine. As in Ireland most have never even met a Jew.

    The marchers are Muslim immigrants and a section of the privileged middle class employed as minor civil servants

    We need Soviets in Ireland to clear up the
    Illegal immigration

    As time races ahead the only way

  8. Though he wasn’t a very good human being either, apparently.

    Although they remained happily married until Hess’ death, Sibylle may have had an affair with Friedrich Engels while he was smuggling her from Belgium to France to be reunited with her husband. Sibylle, however, claimed the relationship was non-consensual and accused Engels of rape.

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki
    Moses Hess – Wikipedia

  9. @Felix

    In its perfected practice, Christian egoism of heavenly bliss is necessarily transformed into the corporal egoism of the Jew, heavenly need is turned into world need, subjectivism into self-interest. We explain the tenacity of the Jew not by his religion, but, on the contrary, by the human basis of his religion – practical need, egoism.

    Since in civil society the real nature of the Jew has been universally realized and secularized, civil society could not convince the Jew of the unreality of his religious nature, which is indeed only the ideal aspect of practical need. Consequently, not only in the Pentateuch and the Talmud, but in present-day society we find the nature of the modern Jew, and not as an abstract nature but as one that is in the highest degree empirical, not merely as a narrowness of the Jew, but as the Jewish narrowness of society.

    Once society has succeeded in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism – huckstering and its preconditions – the Jew will have become impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object, because the subjective basis of Judaism, practical need, has been humanized, and because the conflict between man’s individual-sensuous existence and his species-existence has been abolished.

    The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

  10. @Felix

    Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities[…] The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange[…] The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › O…
    On the Jewish Question – Wikipedia

  11. Michael, no time for deep discussion on God’s will and our freewill, just way to busy. It seemed to me you’re operating from a Christian understanding of the subject which colors your perspective. If I’m wrong, I apologize ahead of time….. this is a poor way to communicate… not as good as face to face. However, there are some excellent Rabbis that would greatly enhance your understanding on the subject of freewill and God’s will. I would steer you away from any conservative or reform, waste of time. Stay safe and keep the faith Brother.

  12. Sebastien

    And Marxism has also used hatred of the Jews-

    This is seriously disinformation

    You are slandering the most principled movement just based on bias

    You can give no specifics

  13. complicity of all whom you seemed to find praise in that event, but never argued ignoring the tragedy of that event. You have completely mischaracterize my perspective here.

    This is of the greatest importance

    You must re-evaluate what you did

    In 2018 Lieberman and Netanyahu split over HAMAS with Lieberman totally correct

    Tragic that you cover for Netanyahu

  14. @Felix

    “Capitalism has always used hatred of the Jews”

    No, not always. And Marxism has also used hatred of the Jews- Marx himself, in fact, but also not consistently. The same can be said about Christianity and Islam. Back and forth between genocide and even sympathy and support at times. None of these is the answer for our people. Only Zionism is the answer, and the political and economic details should be approached pragmatically.

  15. @Felix

    Swept under the carpet by Peloni

    This is not accurate. I noted the greater context and complicity of all whom you seemed to find praise in that event, but never argued ignoring the tragedy of that event. You have completely mischaracterize my perspective here.

  16. Edgar

    PELONI-

    This is a strong indication of the weakness of the General Staff, and Gallant.
    They waited to “absorb 200 strikes”..BEFORE they responded.

    Definitely nor the IDF of 1967. We may never see its like again. G-d Forbid.

    Did you miss the issue of Netanyahu betrayal of principle in 2018

    Swept under the carpet by Peloni

    You may have missed it

  17. Hi, Sebastien

    re open primaries, California used to be fairly well spllit between Republicans and Democrats. Since they began open primaries, the Dems have had a chokehold on politics, and run the state into the ground.

    ergo, not a good idea.

  18. @Felix

    Deep antisemitism there

    Quite so. He has been since the very beginning. He is dishonest, holding to half truths or down right lies, while applying a completely different rubric to Israel as compared to Russia and Ukraine.

  19. Bear-

    Sorry, of course your med history is private, and I am not asking for it. Most people have back trouble at some time and I felt it was a common subject . Thus my comments on my problem Adam’s on his, as did Sebastien on his. Michael on his etc etc. . I thought I’d missed an earlier post from you about it.

    Let it drop. Apologies…………….

    I’m not on any of these social sites….Too “social” for me. My children are.

    The best dr on this subject is I believe my cousin in Israel Dr Stevie Jackson. If you got him, you were lucky.

  20. @Edgar, I do not want to detail my medical history in detail on this public site. If you are on facebook I could message you or twitter.

  21. We need to start voting for individuals not parties. Primaries should be open. Case in point:

    “Georgia Republican: Jewish people control everything
    On white nationalist’s show, Georgia state official Kandiss Taylor said Jewish people are ‘controlling everything’

    Israel National News: A Republican state party official in Georgia appeared to agree with the host of a white nationalist TV show who said Jews run the government, responding, “They’re controlling everything.”
    Kandiss Taylor, who chairs the Republican Party in her southeast Georgia congressional district, appeared on a mid-February episode of “The Stew Peters Show,” whose namesake host lives in Florida and has a history of promoting antisemitic rhetoric and Holocaust denial. Peters and Taylor discussed the arrest of a man accused of vandalizing a rainbow crosswalk mural in south Florida honoring the LGBTQ+ community.
    In the episode, which the liberal media watchdog Media Matters for America reported Monday, Peters said, “No more funding our own demise — bioweapons and forever wars from the Jewish lobby that basically runs our entire government. And they run this as well, don’t they?”
    Taylor responded, “Yeah they run this. 100%. They’re controlling everything.”
    The comments were condemned by Georgia’s only Jewish state representative, Democrat Esther Panitch, who called on the state Republican Party to condemn the exchange.
    “Ok, @GaRepublicans, it’s time to show the Jewish community of Georgia that you reject antisemites. Let me know if I can be of assistance,” she wrote on X.
    “We always knew she was extreme,” Panitch told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency. “I just didn’t realize her extremism went after Jews. I mean, I’m not surprised, but I was not aware of these specie comments.”
    Panitch also told JTA that nobody from the Georgia Republican Party had reached out to her about Taylor’s comments.
    “You can’t pretend to be a friend to the Jews, or to support us, and allow your officials to make these statements without any remarks,” she added.
    This is not the first time this month that Taylor has been in the public eye for comments about religious discrimination. In an Aug. 17 episode of her podcast, “Jesus, Guns and Babies,” Taylor said that only Christians should be permitted to run for elected office.
    “We shouldn’t be electing anyone in government — local, state or federal — that is not a Christian,” Taylor said. “That is how we take back this nation.”
    In a now-deleted post from October 2023 screenshot by Media Matters, she responded to a post on X that said, “This has become very clear to anyone who can see: The Democrat Party has been overtaken by Marxist trash who hates Jews.” In her reply, Taylor wrote, “Hey, We have some Marxist trash using our R who pander to the Jews. Not much difference.”
    In a statement posted to X, Taylor declared her opposition to antisemitism and support for Israel and Jews. She did not directly address the exchange with Peters.
    “I have been made aware of the Media Matters hit piece on me,” Taylor wrote. “I want to state unequivocally that I support the State of Israel, that I support the Jewish people around the world, and that I categorically reject antisemitism in all forms. I have been proud to stand with the Georgia Republican Party on supporting Israel and rejecting antisemitism whenever and wherever it occurs.”
    To Panitch, Taylor’s statement isn’t enough.
    “This isn’t an apology,” Panitch said. “The fact that she’s in leadership at the Georgia GOP says that they do not take the antisemitism within their ranks seriously. They can use whatever platitudes they want, which I appreciate for them saying anything, but if they’re going to allow their members to say that Jews control the world, without any repercussions, then they’re just words.”’

    https://www.newsrael.com/posts/mwii9tonc9

  22. Tanna,

    I think you mistook my BOLDFACE for the word BOTH, for “emotion”. I’m a baby boomer, strictly pre-Ipad, etc. I also do a lot of composing in Notepad, which does not have facility for expressing emphasis.

    On the other matter, I don’t want to get into a deep doctrinal discussion about “God’s control” and “free will”; but briefly, I do not believe we are puppets of the divine realm. If God wanted puppets, he would have made us with AI, and would be terribly bored.

  23. Michael, I think you missed my point. No need to get a emotional over it. God’s in control. Z-man nor Putin could lift a finger if God did not allow it. We humans are not able to see what is being worked out and where it will put God’s People in the next few years.

  24. BEAR-

    I missed your post about your back trouble. I myself have had a disc op which, done by the best medico in Canada was a mess and had to be redone after 6 weeks. over scar tissue it was a problem, left my ankle nerve reaction absent,

    what was your problem? Similar or diff. Likely diff as i had no rehabilitation to undergo. Of course it was back in the mid 90s.

  25. @Bear

    The physical therapist fired me as I no longer needed his help!

    Best news possible! Glad to hear it.

  26. @Peloni, thanks for the kind words about my back. Yes I am progressing very nicely working out daily. The physical therapist fired me as I no longer needed his help!

  27. Bear,

    There is a large body of evidence that the Jewish temples were located directly under Al Aksa (the Holy Place being beneath the courtyard between the Western Wall and the Fulda Gates q.v.); and there is no concensus among Jewish scholars concerning this location. On the other hand, the Muslim side considers all of Israel, including the entire “Temple Mount” complex, to be part of “Al Aksa”. In short, BOTH sides are willing to go to war over ANY part of the Holy Land.

  28. Hi, Tanna

    Z man seems to be the useful idiot in this current war movie.

    I’m a Vietnam Era vet — fortunately for me, not in Vietnam.. I understand “war movies”. They cease to be movies when you get shot.

    BTW, I have never criticized Peloni & Ted’s depiction of the nefariousness of Zelenskyy, Biden, Netanyahu, and just about everyone else; and I am especially off-put by the pro-Ukrainian camp’s extremely biased commentary against MAGA supporters. That said, I beleive the repeated lies and excuses of the “Pro-Putin” camp here are repulsive. Russia and Ukraine are at war with each other, and are expected to misinform; but that doesn’t excuse Israpunditers for being Putin’s useful idiots (unless they are indeed his agents).

    Without venturing off into the supposed “moral purity” of either side, no amount of misreporting can cover up the fact that Ukraine has made significant gains in over 1200 square kilometers of Russian sovereign land; nor can they disguise the fact that Russian gains in eastern Ukraine have been negligible — and won at incredible loss of men and materiel.

  29. I am for Jews being able to pray on the Temple Mount. That said not in or directly adjacent to the Al Aqasa Mosque. That is simply a war starter and benefits no one.

    Israel does not currently have the funds nor need to build a State Temple on the Temple Mount. Let us do our sovereignty wisely!

    Build more Jewish Towns all over the Land of Israel from the Galilee (and Golan) to the Negev including Judea & Samaria. Find ways to help Arabs in Gaza, Judea & Samaria, Jerusalem find homes in other countries.

    Build up our defense industries and find ways to get the Haredim on board to increase the size of the IDF. These are bigger priorities than a Temple at this point in time.

  30. Michael, sorry for jumping in, I thought Peloni might need a smoke break. 🙂 When is fair ever part of a war? Was the UN, USA ever fair in their dealings with Russia? You need to read RFKjr’s speech. He’s a democrat and he get’s it.

    Understand something about war. Until one side or the other has had enough and call for peace, the war continues. Bottom line!. the number who die is never figured into the equation. If one or two life’s is acceptable, why not 1 or 2 million. If the cost had been counted, the bully would have never started the fight. You do not seem to understand who the bully is. The bible tells us we are all just dust and grass. Isaiah 40:1 and following, it’s all gonna work out just fine.

    Z man seems to be the useful idiot in this current war movie.

    Below an article to mess with your faith.:)

    https://substack.com/@jaredabrock/p-148142259

  31. Hi, Peloni.

    You kind of lost me, with this “fair” business. People are dying. The Russians invaded Ukraine in Feb. ’22, and continue with their occupation. They are throwing their own young men, like so much human hamburger, into a conflict that has no meaning to them, other than one of the few ways in non-big-city Russia to keep body and soul together — for a while. They are losing, on average, 1200 men per day, killed and wounded. The Russians have devastated entire areas of Ukraine, including hospitals, schools, power plants, the life and livelihood of the country.

    There is no “fairness” in this business,

  32. @Michael

    It’s called “Z-man bad!”

    That is not fair. As I have noted many times, Zel initially exemplified moral courage in the months following his election, when he advocated for peace even as his life was openly threatened. Indeed, people no less infamous than Dimitri Yorash, head of the Right Sector and later leader of the UDA (the paramilitary group which refused to be included in Ukraine’s army) threatened to hang Zel if he acted on his peace initiatives. The first betrayal of Zel’s moral courage, however, came following his visit to Zelote when the Nazis in his govt, his army, and his allies, stood up and threatened his life. Within 24hrs, Zel held a meeting with all of the Nazis and radicals, and that was the end of the Zelote initiative. Despite this, however, Zel had already named Sergei Sivokho to implement his National Platform for Reconciliation and Unity. This was an immensely important opportunity for Ukraine to come together and prevent the war which ultimately came from not addressing the underlying issues between the ethnic Russians and the Ukrainian Monists. Unfortunately, this effort was quickly abandoned after Sivokho was publicly attacked at the initiating ceremony for this project, following which Zel dismissed Sivokho without so much as a single charge or complaint being launched against the Nazis who attacked him, despite the fact the entire event was televised.

    I have written about these events many times, and I do believe it is a strong indication of Zel’s initial interest in pursuing his campaign commitments, but the Nazi element in Ukraine is quite strong, and remains quite dangerous, and Zel folded his peace initiatives afterwards and never looked back. HIs failure to stand up to these elements and later to the Biden administration, led to all of what I wrote below. I maintain that he knew full well what he was doing, and still did it, and that he is all that I describe him to be. If you disagree, perhaps you will explain.

  33. I just read about Ben Gvir’s plan to build a synagoge on the Temple Mount.

    His plan has been opposed by Saudi Arabia and others. They claim that Jews have not right to be there.

    I totally support Ben Gvir.

    I mentioned in my 2017 conference in Jerusalem and many times thereafter, that the Muslims always refer to defending the Al Aksa Mosque and never about defending the Temple Mount.

    I suggested that the Temple Mount be divided between an area aroung the Al Aksa Mosque, which would be allocated to the Muslims, and the rest of the Temple Mount which would be allocated to the Jews.

    I stand by that.

  34. Adam,

    I understand Peloni and his ZDS. It’s called “Z-man bad!”

    Funny, I thought you would never ask. My dislike of Zel stems from him being a bad person,

    This is his reason for supporting one of the world’s worst dictators.

    Logico! Capiche?

  35. @Adam

    what distinguishes your hatred for Zelensky…

    Funny, I thought you would never ask.

    My dislike of Zel stems from him being a bad person, a weak man, and a manipulative war profiteer of the slaughter of his own people in a war which he was suppose to have prevented by ending the Ukrainian civil war which he not only continued but intensified. Hence, in no way, small or large, do I see any resemblance between him and any podcaster, blogger or citizen of Ukraine. He promised peace, and he brought about war, a war which he not only had no chance of winning but had impossible odds of not seeing Ukraine swallowed whole by the Russians as the Ukrainians were simply slaughtered to satisfy the maniacal goals of the Washington Neocons who sought to regime change Russia at any price, and failing that, to see the Russian military exhausted. And through it all he has had the arrogance to demand the assets of unrelated parties to satisfy his master’s goals, not the least disturbing of which has been his repeated reproach of Israel to aid his wretched nation in its pursuit of his globalist goals. He has the temerity to celebrate Nazi war criminals in his own state, men who openly participated in the Holocaust, while claiming that “”Eighty years ago, we saved Jews”. Of course, he uses his claim to being Jewish when pandering for war booty from Israel, but when it comes to defending Israel’s right to exist or defend herself, he joins his own enemies in condemning the Jewish State for doing so. He condemned Israel for limiting the number of Ukrainian Gentiles as refugees admitted to Israel when in fact, Israel should have taken NONE of them. Then there is his authoritarian acts to banish the publication of Russian only papers, the sequestration of political opponents, his use of Nazi Biletsky to gain public support, his banishing an entire religious order and stealing their assets. His refusal to stand for election as his term expired and refusal to release the power of his expired premiereship to the head of the Ukrainian Rada….For all of these reasons, I dislike Zel intensely. In fact, there is NOTHING which makes me not shutter at the thought he is a Jew, that he was a peace advocate, and that he was a leader of a democratic nation (even a broken democratic nation such as Ukraine has always been). In any event, there are a good many other reasons which I could list such as the economic or munitons fallout of his pointless war, or the likely wrath which the Ukrainians will likely show the Jewish community in Ukraine after Zel falls from power, one way or the other, but I think I have explained well enough my dislike of the man.

    I’ll get you some sources for what we spoke about before, but it will need to be later.

  36. From the Ukraine parallel universe:Peloni, can you give me the sources for all of these allegations that you make against Zelenskyy? I have not seen even one of them in any of the fairly numerous sources that I consult daily concerning the Uksraine war. I would like to check out these sources for myself, since I don’t think I have ever heard of them. Thanks.

    P.S what distinguishes your hatred for Zelensky from that of other pro-Russian bloggers and podcasters that I have occasionallylistened to on youtube is the extremely, personal passionate and intense character of your hatred of “Z.” Is he a cousin or half brother or something with whom you have never got along since early childhood?