By Ted Belman
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@Peloni Thank you for the references.
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/features/espionage-and-the-zionist-endeavor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wsJbMiMSH8
Israel should sue the UK for war crimes. Or if unable to do so for diplomatic reasons, the relatives.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/apr/11/middle-east-crisis-live-us-urges-irans-neighbours-to-help-lower-tensions-with-israel-reports
Austin reiterated during the conversation with Gallant “ironclad US support for Israel’s defense in the face of growing threats from Iran and its regional proxies.”
https://twitter.com/DavidM_Friedman/status/1778063036273528974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1778063036273528974%7Ctwgr%5E84218d67e93e75804ad11fc388f0d6cb8627da2f%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewishpress.com%2Fnews%2Fleft-vs-right%2Fanti-israel-activists-plan-riots-to-disrupt-global-economy%2F2024%2F04%2F11%2F
@Adam
It was one of the most secretly guarded relationships at the time, and the documentation which substantiates it has only recently been declassified. The author of note on this topic is Meir Zamir who has published many articles on the topic of the French-British-Israeli triangle which relates back to the betrayal of France by the British in Lebanon. The French saw the Jewish State as a convenient tool by which the French could confound the British in the Middle East and thereby prevent the British from further undermining the French colonies in the region. This would dovetail with the French desire of revenge for the British betrayal in Syria and Lebanon, and the Jews would secure the French possessions in Jerusalem.
The French had a moles in both the Syrian Foreign Ministry as well as the British Legation in Beirut, so they were well informed of the British intentions for both the Jewish State (as well as the French colonies) and they provided this inteligence to the Jews. They also arranged for the arms shipments I described as well as the trained Jewish fighters.
Among Zamir’s many writings, I think the most relevant articles are
Espionage and the Zionist endeavor
and
‘Bid’ for Altalena: France’s Covert Action in the 1948 War in Palestine
He also wrote a book with related material on this subject, “The Secret Anglo-French War in the Middle East: Intelligence and Decolonization, 1940-1948”
Could you recommend to me a book or article, or multiple publications, where I could learn more about these subjects?
@Sebastien
I wasn’t aware that Kramer’s book was online. Nice find. I found it to be a very important source.
@Adam
It came as a result of significant negotiations between the combined efforts of Mordechai Oren, Ehud Avriel, and Shmuel
Mikunis, though these men all worked somewhat at cross purposes to eachother. Mikunis gave a press conference in 1948, which followed an the publication of an article, in which he called for the mobilization of the Jewish youth of Eastern Europe to fight for Israel. This was met with significant response from the various Eastern European nations who were happy to be rid of their Jews. After much negotiations, training camps were erected in Czechosylvakia, and later expanded to Yugoslavia, Hungary and Bulgaria and Romania, but the training program prior to emigration was largely a complete failure beyond Czechoslovakia. In addition to training pilots as part of the origins of the IAF, tank crews were trained using old Soviet tanks as I describe previously.
These were Soviets, many coming from the Soviet Czeck Brigade which fought in the Battle of Kiev. Note that both the brigade which fought in WWII and the brigade which was formed to fight in Israel are referred to as “the Czech Brigade” so I will try to be clear in distinguishing between them. The brigade which came to fight in Israel was organized with the support and coordination of the Hagannah, so i will term it the Hagannah Czech Brigade to keep it clear, and the Soviet force which fought in WWII is sometimes referenced as Svoboda’s Army, Svoboda having formed and led the unit in WWII, so I will reference this group as such, for clarity. The commanding officer of the Haganah Czeck Brigade, Antonin Sohor, had been one of the the second in command from the Svoboda’s Army. He coordinated with the Hagannah and went to Israel to meet directly with Ben Gurion to negotiate specifics. Among the negotiated issues was that the emigrating Jews would receive territory on which to live following the war. Kibbutz Kerem Ma’ha’ral was founded in Rosh Pina where most of the members of the Haganah Czech Brigade were settled. Sohor returned to the Soviet Union after the war, following which he was invovled in an auto accident and died (some say he was killed for having fallen out of favor).
Yes, BG was suspicious of everyone, while also covetous of his position and power to the detriment of the nation, as you are aware. It was in the same time that BG disbanded the Palmach that he was dealing with Sohor and the determination to break up the unit among the rest of the army.
Both. Sohor for instance was not Jewish, but many from Svoboda’s Army were, and I believe that most from the Haganah Czech Brigade were.
Oren, Avriel and Mikunis, mentioned above, were acting without official support of the Israeli govt, while they were in connection with the Haganah. Nahum Shadmi, the leader of the Haganah for Eastern Europe was personally involved in the Czech training operation and the attempt to expand it to other nations, and as I noted, BG was personally involved in the matter at a later stage.
There is not a good source on the web of which I am aware, to be honest. You can gain a brief intro from the following:
https://www.jwmww2.org/The_Czech_Brigade
Oren wrote a memoir but it is in French, “Prisonnier Politique a Prague”, but note that he is particularly disparaging of the significant role played by the others, especially Mikunis whose input was quite important.
Ze’ev Schiff wrote an article in May 1968 in Haaretz on the subject.
Arnold Kramer wrote “The Forgotten Friendship – Israel and the Soviet Bloc”.
These are the related sources which I am aware of, but no doubt there are others.
Haven’t found it so far, but I did find this: “The final behind the scenes negotiator in the Haganah’s efforts to obtain the critically needed weapons was the secretary of the Israeli Communist Party (Maki) Schmuel Makunis. Whlle officially disavowed by Ben-Gurion in order to avoid any encouraging indications to the Communist leaders of Eastern Europe that a Socialist revolution in the future government of Israel might be in the offing, Mikunis made unquestionable contributions to the Czech and Russian decision (sic) to aid the Haganah. “p. 74
“From 1945 onward, Soviet Influence on Czechoslovakia’s economic policies gained continued strength, marking at the same time, a steady decline of Czechoslovak political independence which culminated in their complete submission to Moscow.” P. 71. Arnold Krammer “The Forgotten Friendship. 1947-1953.
https://www.scribd.com/document/545257237/Krammer-Arnold-The-Forgotten-Friendship
Loftus says that Czechoslovakia did it without the Soviet Union permission and was punished for it but I am skeptical of Loftus. He makes assertions that are contradicted by other sources and everything is sourced anonymously or through secondary sources.
@peloni. I know about some of this but not all of this. In particular, I did not know about the “brigade” of soldiers that Russia trained intended to send to Israel. Were these Soviet troops or Haganah men? Jews or non-Jews? Who in Israel approved this unconventional arrangement? I understand why B-G would be suspicious of this arrangement. But someone in Israel must have initially authorized it. Who would that be?
I was also unaware that the arms and men on the Altalena was only the first of four ships with arms and men on them that the French intended to send to Israel. I am of course aware of B.G.s idiotic, self-destructive order to fire on the Altalena and to fire on its crew, including Begin.
Could you recommend to me a book or article, or multiple publications, where I could learn more about these subjects?
@Adam
That’s what I always thought but I read somewhere recently that the Soviet Union actually send military experts and supplies as well. In any case, it’s kind of a distinction without a difference, isn’t it?
@Adam
Just some added context to the issue regarding the Soviet arms sales.
Indeed this is true, but in the face of the arms embargo raised against the Jewish state, even while the invading Arabs nations faced no such embargo and also had the British armed, trained and officered Arab Legion, the fact that the Soviet Block provided the sale of arms to Israel provides a distinction which we should see as a pertinent distinction among the nations, which was only superseded by the covert efforts of the French to supply Israel with arms and trained men during Operation Bid. (You are no doubt aware that the French intended to covertly supply the Jewish State with 4 large ships filled with every form of military supply and munitions as well as 1,000 French trained Jews per ship (volunteers from the DP camps). This was unfortunately and prematurely ended with the exposure of the first shipment due to Ben Gurion’s duplicity and infamy which resulted in the Altalena slaughter, and consequently the loss of the Old City in Jerusalem.)
Also, the deal between the Czechs and Israel was not only related to the sale of arms, as they also trained a brigade of troops which were shipped to Israel. The brigade had been trained to operate a tank which was interned to be sent with them, but due to a press release exposing the existence of the Soviet trained brigade, they were forced to embark to Israel in haste, and the tank was unfortunately left behind. As a side note, the brigade was intended to fight as a solitary unit, but the Israelis did not trust having what was essentially an elite force in the army which was sourced from the Soviets. So it was agreed that the Soviet unit would instead be integrated into the Israeli ranks.
“GAZA — After months of intense negotiation with the Biden administration, Hamas has at last agreed to release zero hostages in exchange for wiping every Jew off the face of the planet.
President Biden hailed the agreement as a massive breakthrough, with Hamas having rejected previous offers to exterminate only some of the Jews. “First we asked for a few American hostages in exchange for freeing into Gaza a thousand terrorists hellbent on killing Jews,” explained lead negotiator Tom Rogers. “Boy, did we feel silly when Hamas explained it had already murdered the hostages. It was so embarrassing! So, we offered to free the terrorists anyways and send Hamas $10 million for the trouble, but they said no. Tough negotiators, those terrorists. Anyhow, finally we settled on wiping the Jewish people off the face of the planet in exchange. It’s a win-win.”
We finally have a deal,” announced President Biden in front of a “Death To America” banner. “They said it couldn’t be done, but Uncle Joe has no quit in him. Everyone had to give some things up, but that’s what compromise is all about – Hamas gave up pretending to have hostages, and we gave up the nation of Israel along with the well-being of every Jewish person on the planet. Pretty square deal, eh Michigan?”
At publishing time, Biden had reportedly commissioned a poll in Michigan to determine how many votes each hostage’s life was worth.”
https://babylonbee.com/cleanArticle/breaking-hamas-offers-to-release-zero-hostages-in-exchange-for-all-jews-being-wiped-from-the-face-of-the-earth
Some American Jews went so far as to “loot’ abandoned U.S. military supplies that were “left over” from World War II, classified as “war surplus,” and that were slated by the DoD tbe melted down for scrap metal buried in weapons “”graves.” The American Jewish looters, some of whom had connections to organized crime, meaning that they had experience in smuggling things, succeeded in smuggling these “looted” weapons to Israel, where they proved very useful to the Haganah. Some of these smugglers had connections to the Mafia. But the Italian-American Mafia bosses made no attempt to critizicise these activities by their Jewish “associates” and did not order them to stop. It is ironic that the American Mafia was more sympathetic to Israel than the Truman administration. The Mafia was
@Adam
Give it some time to process
Although it is true that the Truman administration refused to give Israel any assistance in its War of Inspendence beyond “de facto recognition,” American private citizens did collect very large amounts of money for Israel that eventually did find its way to Israel and helped pay for the Czech arms deal and other Israel arms acquisition programs. The members of a n American Jewish comitte that organized and directed the collection of money for these weapons and some of the weapons themselves, and succeeded in smugling them to Israel, were eventually arrested, tried and convicted of violating the arm embargo. However, they received light sentences, and were able to resume their careers and retain ownership of their businesses when released from jail. They all wore their service to Israel as a badge of honor, and their social status within the American Jewish community remained high.
Ted, my comment a few minutes ago about Soviet aid to Israel during its war of independence has fallen into electronic oblivion. In fact, two posts. Could you please retrieve them in this space. Thanks.
A few brief corrections to Sebastien’s post about Soviet help to Israel during Israel’s War of Independence. Russia did not directly give Israel any assistance during this period except for diplomatic recognition. It permitted its ally Czechoslovakia to sell Israel (technically before Israel’s declaration of Indpendence, the Jewish Agency) a significant amount of weapons. But the Czech’s made Israel pay cash on the barrelhead for these weapons. No loan, no credit plan, no installments. In my opinion, a sale of weapons for cash up front is not the same as military aid.
https://www.memri.org/reports/un-secretary-general-antonio-guterres-praises-al-azhar-sheikh-ahmad-al-tayyeb-who-glorified
https://palwatch.org/page/35011
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bya4wlegr
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-iran-flooding-west-bank-with-arms-to-foment-unrest-against-israel/
It’s not that the U.S. has been a fickle friend. Rather, America being, after all, a multi-ethnic, multicultural country, it would behoove us to see things as they are in a relativist light.
Mike Nichols/Elaine May
“Adultery”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef7Ox82lcqY
@Edgar I recently posted here Elaine May and Mike Nichols “The Telephone Operator”. Sid Caesar was the king, no argument there. His two shows, “Your Show of Shows” with Imogene Coca and “The Caesar hour” with Nanette Fabray never date. He wouldn’t consent to them being cut down for syndication so they aren’t as well known now as they were at the time. Many people got tvs because of him. Him and MIlton Berle, who I never found particularly funny. He visited my high school class. He just looked in and said hello. He went to my high school in 1914.
Steve Laurence and Edie Gourme were singers, I recall. These were all pairs.
A number of Caesar’s wonderful bits are on Youtube.
Argument to Beethoven’s Ninth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEhF-7suDsM
Gallipacci
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OW7GoIl0T8
The German General
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m6Czgl1acU
SEB-
I’ve recalled 2 others who were both ad lib brilliant and funny. Steve Laurence and Sid Caesar, and a brilliant woman funny Girl, Elaine May.
It’s funny how the antisemites accuse us of trying to “censor” them by simply calling out their lies and correctly identifying them as antisemitic. Yet they are the ones who are literally censoring material that exposes the truth of hamas October 7 atrocities.
Congrats Britain for driving away your Jewish population in favor of millions of savage muslims. Good luck with that.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israeli-officials-fear-most-hostages-held-by-hamas-are-dead-report/
https://www.jta.org/2024/04/09/culture/court-orders-philadelphia-theater-to-screen-israeli-film-that-it-had-cancelled-in-the-face-of-protests
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388084
@Michael Using that logic, I guess you agree with Felix that we owe the same debt of gratitude to the Soviet Union, which is to say, Russia. Maybe more, eh? Russia did most of the fighting and took most of the casualties against Germany and Russia took in many Jewish refugees which is more than you can say for the U.S. Russia recognized Israel de jure in 1948 and provided military aid whereas the U.S. only recognized Israel de facto and imposed an arms embargo. And before Israel won her independence, Jewish refugees in DP camps some of them on the site of former death camps had no place to go as nobody would take them in this wonderful brave new world of yours So, logically, I guess you feel we should support Putin out of gratitude? Fraternal Greetings, Tovaritsch Michael! 😀
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK2GUxOnjDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w
Hello, Sebastien
Goodness! I’ve provoked a dissertation from you! Peloni has kept his responses terse, which suits me fine from that direction. Of course, you needn’t have written so much in what, effectively was just an expansion of Peloni’s rabbit trail.
While insulting America, Peloni was careful not to include what we had done for the Jews in WWII (namely, saving them from a world dominated by Hitler). Now, he has let you take on his burden of [CENSORED]. It’s really a waste of effort.
You say you want to know my family history, Seb? What more do you want? birthdate and Social Security number? I’ve gone over this enough, everyone ought to be thoroughly bored. I imagine you want me to respond to,
My father’s side, every one in the line, so far as I know, fought in the American Revolution. Both of my great-grandfathers on that side were casualties in the Civil War: one wounded at Shiloh, the other at Petersburg. My paternal grandmother’s line goes back to Elder William Brewster of the Mayflower, etc. etc. If I say more, you will accuse me of boasting.
My maternal grandparents immigrated from Eastern Europe. My grandmother’s paternal line had Jewish origins; but not her maternal side, so you can be safe in knowing I’m not in “the Tribe”. I’ve also mentioned my Native American ancestry. That came from three lines, all on my paternal grandmother’s side.
There! You have it! Now, are you going to treat me nice?
Oh — for all the Canadians here, one or several of whom have nothing in their hearts but criticism for that country, yes, I do have Canadian roots, but only for a generation. The Brits there offered generous portions of land after the War of 1812. One of my Yankee & Indian ancestors took advantage of this for a while, but soon afterward moved on to the frontier on the US side. After a bit, they rediscovered that there’s an “o” in “about”.
I’m glad to hear about your ancestor and George Washington. We can’t pick our ancestors; and when we eventually learn who they are, we usually find they’re a mixed bag. I spent most of my life not knowing my own, yet I managed somehow. I imagine you did as well.
@Michael
“American Jews Serve in World War II
Seymour “Sy” Brody
“When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and the United States declared war on Japan and Germany, American Jewish men and women responded to their country’s call for the armed forces.
Over 550,000 served in the Armed Forces of the United States during World War II. About 11,000 were killed and over 40,000 were wounded. There were two recipients of the Congressional Medal of Honor, 157 received the Distinguished Service Medal and Crosses, which included Navy Crosses and 1,600 were awarded the Silver Star. About 50,242 other decorations, citations and awards were given to Jewish heroes for a total of 52,000 decorations.
Jews were 3.3 percent of the total American population but they were 4.23 percent of the Armed Forces. About 60 percent of all Jewish physicians in the United States under 45 years of age were in service uniforms.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt praised the fighting abilities and service of Jewish men and women. General Douglas MacArthur in one of his speeches said, “I am proud to join in saluting the memory of fallen American heroes of the Jewish faith.” At the 50th National Memorial Service conducted by the Jewish War Veterans of the United States, General A. Vandergrift, Commandant, U.S. Marine Corps, said, “Americans of Jewish faith in the Marine Corps have served with distinction throughout the prosecution of this war. During the past year, many Jewish fighting men in our armed forces have given their lives in the cause of freedom. With profound sympathy and respect, I join you in paying homage to them at this memorial service.”
The recognition of the bravery, dedication and sacrifice made by Jewish men and women in combat was expressed by the military leaders of the American Armed Forces. General Mark W. Clark, Commander, 5th Army Group, said, “Thousands of Americans of Jewish faith are serving under my command, carrying their share of the burden in the battle in Italy. Many of them have been killed in the service of their country. To American soldiers of Jewish faith go my most sincere thanks for their faithfulness, diligence and bravery in battle. To those who have passed on must go a nation’s gratitude.”
The role of Jews in the Navy was best expressed by Admiral Harold R. Stark, Commander, United States Navy in Europe: “The officers and men of the United States Naval Forces in Europe join to honor those gallant Americans of Jewish faith who, during the past year, have laid down their lives for their country … We mourn them as brothers – brothers who cannot be with us to share this European triumph toward which they gave their lives.”
The comments made extolling the sacrifices and bravery of Jewish men and women by the military leadership of the United States in World War II were based on their exploits in the field…”
Recommended reading
https://nmajmh.org/education/resources-for-educators/jews-in-the-american-military-recommended-reading/
Purely anecdotal, but my maternal uncle dropped out of the University of Chicago in his senior year to join the amphidious engineers the day after Pearl Harbor. He fough in over 50 battles in the pacific and got a purple heart for a bullet in the brain. After recovering, he requested active duty and was stationed in Hiroshima six weeks after the blast.
My 1st cousin twice removed, my maternal grandmother’s first cousin, dropped out of his second year of Columbia Law School to join the marines as a private the day after we went to war with Germany in 1917. At the battle of Belleau Wood, now a sergeant, he led the ten survivors of a mustard gas attack that killed everybody else in his 200 man company to safety and two weeks later to victory up a hill against a German position despitie a shell that landed in their midst but didn’t go off. He joined the Marine Corp reserve and the NY office of the Marine corps originally operated out of his law office. He fought in WWII and Korea and was an observer with the top brass in Israel in 1948. When he retired from the marine corps reserve in the mid ’50s, he was promoted to brigadier general by Eisenhower and to major general by act of congress the following year. He was the highest ranking Jewish officer in the marines in wwii, and decorated by 3 countries, America, France and South Korea, he was the most decorated New Yorker and marine of his generation. His autobiography is in the list above. His family came to New York, where he was born, from Lithuania in the 1860s. My maternal grandfather, also a New Yorker. though he also came from Lithuania when he was a baby, was 30 in 1917 so he didn’t fight. My father was a hero in the Hungarian jewish resistance during the Holocaust who escaped from a forced labor camp and his father was a decorated hero in the Austro-Hungarian army who escaped from a Siberian prisoner of war camp and swam the Amur river – the widest undammed river in the world – to China where he was taken in by a Chinese Jewish family.
One of my Jewish-American maternal grandmother’s ancestors fought in the American Revolutionary War under George Washington.
You can see why it pissed me off to hear McCain desribed as a hero.
Who you got, in your family tree, Michael?
@Michael
To recognize that there was no imminent threat on American shores does not in any way diminish the men and women of America whose economic and industrial might made the victory of WWII possible. To suggest otherwise is to be once again mischaracterizing my words for a particular effect. This would not be the first time you chose to do so, of course.
As to my comments criticizing America, they are both just and supportable, which is to be distinguished from your efforts to twist my words here and elsewhere towards your own designs.
@Michael
Wrong.
See “The Forgotten Ally” (1942) by Pierre Van Paassen chapter 4. $1.99 on Amazon Kindle about the key military and supply role the pre-state Israel, known as the Yishuv in winning the war the British had screwed up and were losing until they stepped in. There was a Jewish legion in the British army and the Yishuv was the industrial base and breadbasket of the war effort.
https://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Ally-Pierre-Van-Paasen/dp/0977102106
And America and Britain did practically nothing for the Jews. The reasons they fought had nothing to do with us. America was attacked by Japan in retaliation for the oil embargo in solidarity with China, and probably the flying tigers. Oil and Indochina came into it, as well. Germany had a mutual defence pact with Japan and declared war, reluctantly, on the U.S. Britain had a mutual defence pact with France who had one with Poland which Germany attacked. As with WWI, WWII was triggered by mutual defence treaties which is why NATO is so dangerous to world peace.
See “The Abandonment of the Jews” by David S. Wyman also available as an ebook
And “While Six Million Died” by Arthur D. Morse published in 1967.
They refused to bomb the camps, they refused to take all but a handful of refugees and not without a fight, even most legal immigration was stone-walled, the quotas were left unfilled, they refused to open the gates of Palestine, they refused to issue the same chemical warfare ultimatum FDR issued on behalf of U.S. and Allied soldiers and civilians on behalf of the Jews, FDR betrayed the Jews of Tunisia in operation Torch who won the battle for them only to be turned over to the Vichy fascists who FDR re-installed!
See:
https://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/israel-zionism/2017/10/the-jews-will-have-to-wait/
And the U.S. invasion of Normandy wasn’t until june 1944, the last year of the war.
@Michael Sept. 17, 2017
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-september-18-2017/
From your list. There was a hurricane that month.
Arutz Sheva
That’s good new. They’ve been saying 4 brigades,
STOP WHINING. THE WAR ISN’t lost Til the fat lady sings. Morale matters. Defeatism undermines morale.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/
@Michael Zeihan said in this video from last October, that other countries wouldn’t get involved. No WWIII, in other words. I agree with him but you don’t so why did you post it? He did not discuss the war in Ukraine. Only Gaza.
Peloni,
I know you’re trying to back-pedal what you’ve been saying all along. Specifically, to you point, you said,
If that isn’t “pooh-poohing’ what my country did in my parents’ generation, I don’t know what is. In early 1941, the British under Churchill were the ONLY people effectively opposing Hitler. Churchill’s greatest achievements in that war were his own steadfastness, and his faith in Roosevelt’s willingness to ultimately come to his aid. The Jews were doing practically NOTHING against Hitler; EVERY country in the world had either joined the Fuehrer or were willing to throw the Jews and everyone else at his mercy. Roosevelt certainly was not being pushed by Rabbi Wise and the rest to do anything that might disturb the comfort and security of America’s Jews — even if it meant selling their European brothers up the river. AMERICA SAVED THE JEWS, along with all the free world, and would CERTAINLY not have sold its own birthright if the Nazis did manage to attack us on our own shores.
Your attacks on America have been nothing short of despicable.
@Michael
Do reread what I wrote because I actually did not write what you wrote. In fact, I made no such assertion at all. But nice try at changing the subject. I am curious why you routinely do this.
Dream on, Peloni. Israel just lost. Admit it. I notice you pooh-pooh our part in defeating Hitler. Perhaps we should have sat back and let the Jews defeat Hitler on their own? You’ve got chutzpah up the kazoo.
@Michael
Well, we will just have to wait and see about that, won’t we. You may find yourself to be well surprised. One of us will be in any case.
You see, this is not similar to any war which America has faced in recent or distant years save WWII, and even then, the threat against America was never actually imminently lingering at American shores. The wars which America has faced in recent years in particular have been to bully lesser nations into submission or destruction, while never facing any real threat to its survival as a viable nation as a whole. Indeed the war which Israel faces today is an existential threat, much better compared to the threat which the American people face with the loss of its ability to actually elect their leaders.
Such existential threats can not be lost without losing the security of the nation as a whole. This is why Russia will win the war with Ukraine, no matter how many soldiers die or how many tanks are lost. This is why America will win its battle with the fraud no matter how long it takes to elect legitimate leaders amid the ongoing lawfare and fraud. Hence, so too will Israel secure her victory over Hamas and those Iranian assets which intend to destroy her, no matter the cost, no matter the consequences. Indeed, these nations all have huge hurdles to overcome, and yet, they will win their respective battles, or they will collapse as a consequence for failing to do so. And the latter option is actually not an option at all, not for any one of these great nations.
Hi, Seb. I’m just glancing over your post, and I can see already that I can’t do it justice in answering it, without setting off the
light of the Administration here. I’ll try to break it into little pieces, and respond in several posts.
1. “why did you post something that contradicts rather than supports your earlier assertion that WWIII is here”
I haven’t changed my opinion about WWIII. As far as I can see, the shooting war began in February, 2022, when Russia invaded Ukraine. That parallels the day in September, 1939, when Hitler invaded Western Poland (and Stalin invaded Eastern Poland).
2. “…that the Bible predicts it?”
I don’t think I’ve said that. You must be thinking of someone else.
3. “…Zohan…” …doesn’t ring a bell; not interested.
4. “Bibi has gotten a lot of flack for the concessions he’s made in the past, but in his autobiography,.. he said he opposed the Gaza pullout..”
I know this. I was an Arutz 7 fan at the time.
5. “…the sacrifices it would entail. Well, I don’t know what he’s doing or how it will end up, but that sure isn’t a viable excuse anymore, clearly.”
It’s not an “excuse”, just the reality: Israel cannot win this war, save a miracle. Israel’s “reservist-based” military cannot sustain it, and the Israeli people do not have the needed staying power. Israel clearly hasn’t achieved its objecteves, and this is a good time for it to cut its losses.
@Michael Thank you, though it was an article not a clip, but why did you post something that contradicts rather than supports your earlier assertion that WWIII is here and moreover, that the bible, natch, predicts it?
By the way, his name, Zeihan, reminded me of the title of an Adam Sandler Comedy from 2008, “You Don’t mess with the Zohan” which I never saw but when I read the plot just now I thought, boy could this Israeli expatriate leftwing film NOT be made today, post Oct. 7.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don%27t_Mess_with_the_Zohan
Which reminds me that Bibi has gotten a lot of flack for the concessions he’s made in the past, but in his autobiography, which I read, or listened to on Audible, rather, he said he opposed the Gaza pullout and later the only alternative to concessions would have been to go to war for real but there was not public support for it and the sacrifices it would entail. Well, I don’t know what he’s doing or how it will end up, but that sure isn’t a viable excuse anymore, clearly.
Hi, Sebastien. Nice clip about the Sa’ar 6. In effect, Israel is getting in a good live-fire training exercise on using their outdated and expensive weapon systems — systems that utterly failed on Oct. 7, 2023.
Meanwhile, I’m impressed by a Peter Zeihan report
https://youtu.be/OagYlYna75Y
from FIVE MONTHS ago, that has very well predicted the course of events in Gaza — with the exception, that he grossly overstated Biden’s commitment toward the safety of US citizens. He predicted that essentially, nobody really gives a crap about Hamas, other than Israel. I will add, having seen Israel in action the past 6 months, that neither can they deal with the Hamassies. Death, taxes and Hamas seem to be the certainties of the near future, like it or not.
@Edgar
Tru ’nuff. Pity that. Though, of course, if somebody decides to syndicate and show all the episodes on some streaming platform or other, they won’t be lost anymore. The things each generation knows as it comes of age, are the things that are made available from any era but continuously promoted every year. Everybody knows the Honeymooners, I love Lucy, and The Wizard of Oz probably almost everywhere on the planet that has television. As long as it’s recorded. It’s a real tragedy that only a few episodes of Dudley Moore and Peter Cooke’s show from that period were recorded which I know about because they released in a DVD a few years ago.
I feel sometimes like William Shatner (who was incidentally Canadian Jewish) as Captain Kirk in possibly the best of the Star Trek movies, “Star Trek IV, the voyage home” and which my immigrant father liked for obvious reasons, where he and his crew go back in time to 1980’s San Francisco to find whales that are extinct in the 24th century in which earth society had been rebuilt and much of the cultural legacy of human history had been lost after a thermonuclear world war in the 20th or 21st century and, an avid antiquarian and classicist, himself, he tries to interact with the native local culture with knowledge gleaned from the classic works of Jacqueline Suzanne. 😀
SEB-
Everything you tell me about Morgan I already know as I read the WIKI Blurb. He became very well known and in good demand, not a film star.
I was referring ONLY to that Merv Griffin Episode with Charo babbling.
As for Jackie Mason He was internationally famous after he gave Ed Sullivan “the finger” and thumbed his nose at his efforts to cut Mason’s 10 min routine down to three as his was the last act and Sullivan allowed that stupid Topo Gigio (a silly puppet) to run on well past the allotted time because the gimmick there was always to lavishly praise Sullivan, he lapped it up and had the lousy act on dozens of times.
There were Court cases with Mason won, but then refused to take the money saying he was kust emphasising his correct position. They reconciled later and he appeared several times on the “Shew”.
As you may not be aware of early TV it was the largest and most successful variety show ib the US for well over 20 years, and Sullivan had a theatre named after him whilst still active.
Appearing in a movie is no guarantee for anything especially a STAND UP comedian. It is not their area of expertise.
Your problem is that you didn’t live through Ed Sullivan times, where thousands of acts appeared mostly good, some rotten.
@Edgar FYI. and P.S. No need to respond. Finally found Henry Morgan. He’s before my time, I’m afraid, because he was blacklisted during the McCarthy era and never really recovered professionally. I only recall seeing him on some of these game shows – many or most or all of them reruns, I suspect, though I didn’t know what a rerun was when I saw them; I thought everything I saw was contemporary 😀 – as a panelist. Apparently, he was mainly big in radio in the ’30s and ’40s. I did listen to recordings as well as on live radio of 30’s and 40’s radio shows in the ’70s but his material wasn’t reproduced. It says he starred in one movie from the late ’40s, which I haven’t seen but I’ve seen and enjoyed many an episode of “The Abbott and Costello Show” and “Life of Riley” from the late 40s. I don’t even remember if he was funny. I remember him as a minor character. I wouldn’t recognize him in the picture in Wikipedia which is from when he was a young man. I did recognize the pictures of him as a much older man that came up when I googled, “Henry Morgan comedian” sans quotes. Before that, only ordinary non-celebrities came up when I googled the name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan_(humorist)
I also had never heard of Myron Cohen until you mentioned him or Jackie Mason until he was in Mel Brooks, “History of the World Part I” in the Spanish , narrated by Orson Welles, Inquisition scene (in which he was funny)
https://youtu.be/LnF1OtP2Svk?si=OwKyiU_ByPIbjzm1
and a movie or two he made in the ’80s.
A remember telling some random African-American guy I was talking to that I didn’t find Dave Chappelle funny and he assumed I liked Shecky Greene who I had also never heard of and as with Cohen and Mason, I looked him up on Youtube and I didn’t think he was funny either. He probably assumed I was Jewish and therefore stereotyped me as liking that kind of humorist.
I just rewatched the 2002-2009 Comedy detective series, Monk, with Tony Shalhoub, who though of Lebanese Christian background, I think mostly plays non-Jewish Jewish characters. It’s hilarious. I never noticed before, in one episode, his friend and police captain says, “OK, Shecky.” And he does use a couple of Yiddish expressions in a couple of episodes, one I didn’t know. Shmegege. Had to look it up. He played the father in “The Amazing Mrs. something.
This is the link, once again, to the clip I posted, “Brother Theodore & Jerry Lewis- Interview/Argument 1966 [Reelin’ In The Years Archive]”
ReelinInTheYears66
https://youtu.be/g2Fg2H3sucI?si=NoAeLCBgj2uNEBQ-
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/388189