If you read more carefully, you would see that this was my point.
@ Michael S:
Bhutan was a bad example: “Years ago, Gross National Happiness was identified by the nation as being more important than Gross National Product (GNP).”
Carlson and Shapiro are focusing on the short term effects of technology. They should read Bertrand Russell’s The Impact of Science on Society written in 1952 and consider the long term effects. Russell, an unapologetic elitist, argues that whoever controls the science controls society (world). He advocates a governing aristocracy having exclusive economic advantage that controls a world government (New World Order) with “a monopoly of serious weapons of war (created by science) for nothing else will make peace secure.”
Peace? It is not the effects of driverless cars on the economy that should be debated relative to the common good – it is the amoral, elitist, globalist power grab designed to create a New World Order that threatens the common good and future of mankind. Science that returns society to binary feudalism, or science that realizes the Islamist dream of a worldwide caliphate, are not the definitions of “peace” that serve the freedom and liberty of the common man in Western societies.
Secular or religious global governance must be realized as the end game of science and technology when controlled by the globalist elite – it is not about driverless cars – it is about world dominance and population control.
@ Bear Klein:
Then Tucker will be replaced by some digital avatar and Tucker will become a Trucker.
Interestingly currently in the USA there is a shortage of Truck Drivers. Technology will help this problem.
There is a shortage of Farm Workers some automation is assisting or will in help with this.
Tucker trying to make rules in fighting technology will not work in a free market.
Shapiro’s understanding of the free market is far superior to Tucker.
Tucker Carlson did not leave Ben Shapiro speechless. That would be impossible. And, Tucker Carlson is wrong to believe that companies should be prohibited from becoming more efficient in order to preserve jobs. Jobs have always been eliminated by technology, and this is a very serious problem. The solution to the problem is not to prohibit the technology. The solution is to offer job training and other job opportunities for those who will lose their jobs because of technology. To the extent that this cannot be done, there needs to be some redistribution of income to the newly unemployed.
The world of pundits desperately needs to make the crucial distinction between capitalism and monopolism. There is a psychological dynamic that remains largely undiscussed that tends to push competition into a game of annihilation. The entire Darwinian rationale for competition is that it selects for better abilities, better ideas. But then the mania for domination enters the equation and you have oligarch mental memes that are basically feudal and Brahministic, a kind of laziness that ushers in comparisons to slavery and slave based economies. Those Dark Age memes are still alive in the modern world. They need to be rooted out from capitalism; the old money throttled and regulated. Capitalism is dynamic and exploratory. Feudal aristocracies are a distillate of death – the contradiction of a parasite who kills its host. The DeBeers global diamond monopoly is the tip of a huge iceberg. Just look at diagrams of interlocking corporate directorships. It is incest and produces a race of peanut headed bleeders and dwarfs prone to dementia and holding final solution conferences on the shores of Lake Wannesee
@ Michael S:
when the messiah when comes, goods will be easily and freely available and peoples sole goal will be know god, as the maimonades indicates. peoples goals will not be guided by pursuit of wealth, but to do good for others and know god. This is already happening. A lot of people already do services helping other people, rather than pursuing wealth
Tucker and Ben are both smart guys, and have framed the problem well. Two observations from me:
1. Laissez-faire capitalism, which Ben advocates more than Tucker does, tends toward the moral and social destruction of societies engaged in it: Families are broken up and displaced from their roots, their tradition and their learned skill sets. This is happening all over the world — in China, in the US, in the EU, in Africa, in Saudi Arabia; name any place, even remote Bhutan: It is happening everywhere. It is behind the migration crises in Europe and America, behind the opioid crisis and behind turmoil in every religion.
2. The solution is indicated in principal in the Bible. In Torah, there are anticapitalist safeguards, such as leaving portions for the poor, periodically returning lands to the original owners, etc. In every case, there is a “work-around” that allows unscrupulous people to, as Jesus put it, “devour widows’ houses.” Jesus’ response is that we must love one another.
I expect this conflict to work itself out with violence, just as Amos and other prophets have said for millennia. The underlying problem is not the lack of a proper political remedy; the problem is man’s depravity. I expect a nuclear war, within a matter of just a few years, the one prophesied in Zechariah 14.
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@ Sebastien Zorn:
Sebastien,
Bhutan has been flooded with economic migrants, just like Europe and the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutanese_refugees
If you read more carefully, you would see that this was my point.
@ Michael S:
Bhutan was a bad example: “Years ago, Gross National Happiness was identified by the nation as being more important than Gross National Product (GNP).”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tmullen/2018/02/27/why-bhutan-is-still-out-of-this-world/#a7165f44be8f
Carlson and Shapiro are focusing on the short term effects of technology. They should read Bertrand Russell’s The Impact of Science on Society written in 1952 and consider the long term effects. Russell, an unapologetic elitist, argues that whoever controls the science controls society (world). He advocates a governing aristocracy having exclusive economic advantage that controls a world government (New World Order) with “a monopoly of serious weapons of war (created by science) for nothing else will make peace secure.”
Peace? It is not the effects of driverless cars on the economy that should be debated relative to the common good – it is the amoral, elitist, globalist power grab designed to create a New World Order that threatens the common good and future of mankind. Science that returns society to binary feudalism, or science that realizes the Islamist dream of a worldwide caliphate, are not the definitions of “peace” that serve the freedom and liberty of the common man in Western societies.
Secular or religious global governance must be realized as the end game of science and technology when controlled by the globalist elite – it is not about driverless cars – it is about world dominance and population control.
@ Bear Klein:
Then Tucker will be replaced by some digital avatar and Tucker will become a Trucker.
Interestingly currently in the USA there is a shortage of Truck Drivers. Technology will help this problem.
There is a shortage of Farm Workers some automation is assisting or will in help with this.
Tucker trying to make rules in fighting technology will not work in a free market.
Shapiro’s understanding of the free market is far superior to Tucker.
Tucker Carlson did not leave Ben Shapiro speechless. That would be impossible. And, Tucker Carlson is wrong to believe that companies should be prohibited from becoming more efficient in order to preserve jobs. Jobs have always been eliminated by technology, and this is a very serious problem. The solution to the problem is not to prohibit the technology. The solution is to offer job training and other job opportunities for those who will lose their jobs because of technology. To the extent that this cannot be done, there needs to be some redistribution of income to the newly unemployed.
The world of pundits desperately needs to make the crucial distinction between capitalism and monopolism. There is a psychological dynamic that remains largely undiscussed that tends to push competition into a game of annihilation. The entire Darwinian rationale for competition is that it selects for better abilities, better ideas. But then the mania for domination enters the equation and you have oligarch mental memes that are basically feudal and Brahministic, a kind of laziness that ushers in comparisons to slavery and slave based economies. Those Dark Age memes are still alive in the modern world. They need to be rooted out from capitalism; the old money throttled and regulated. Capitalism is dynamic and exploratory. Feudal aristocracies are a distillate of death – the contradiction of a parasite who kills its host. The DeBeers global diamond monopoly is the tip of a huge iceberg. Just look at diagrams of interlocking corporate directorships. It is incest and produces a race of peanut headed bleeders and dwarfs prone to dementia and holding final solution conferences on the shores of Lake Wannesee
@ Michael S:
when the messiah when comes, goods will be easily and freely available and peoples sole goal will be know god, as the maimonades indicates. peoples goals will not be guided by pursuit of wealth, but to do good for others and know god. This is already happening. A lot of people already do services helping other people, rather than pursuing wealth
Tucker and Ben are both smart guys, and have framed the problem well. Two observations from me:
1. Laissez-faire capitalism, which Ben advocates more than Tucker does, tends toward the moral and social destruction of societies engaged in it: Families are broken up and displaced from their roots, their tradition and their learned skill sets. This is happening all over the world — in China, in the US, in the EU, in Africa, in Saudi Arabia; name any place, even remote Bhutan: It is happening everywhere. It is behind the migration crises in Europe and America, behind the opioid crisis and behind turmoil in every religion.
2. The solution is indicated in principal in the Bible. In Torah, there are anticapitalist safeguards, such as leaving portions for the poor, periodically returning lands to the original owners, etc. In every case, there is a “work-around” that allows unscrupulous people to, as Jesus put it, “devour widows’ houses.” Jesus’ response is that we must love one another.
I expect this conflict to work itself out with violence, just as Amos and other prophets have said for millennia. The underlying problem is not the lack of a proper political remedy; the problem is man’s depravity. I expect a nuclear war, within a matter of just a few years, the one prophesied in Zechariah 14.