By Ted Belman
This election was more of an earthquake than the conservative victory on Nov 2/10 in the US.
Not only did Harper’s Conservatives win a solid majority of 167 seats, the Liberals suffered a crushing defeat down to 34 seats and the Bloc Quebecois was anialated and got only 4 seats. In the previous government they held 77 and 47 respectively.
A surprise wiinner was the NDP party which got 102 seats, a historic high. Enough to make them the official opposition. This is a Party of the Left. It is anti-Israel, anti-American and pro-Muslim. Most of its gains came rom Quebec which is antisemitic.
I should point out that the Liberals were lead by Michael Ignatieff, a former Harvard professor. He lost his own seat and destroyed the once vaunted Party of Pierre Trudeau.
My friend Peter Kent was re-elected by a wide margin in Thornhill which is on Toronto’s northern border and contains the highest percentage of Jews. John Carmichael, another friend, was elected in Don Valley West in Toronto. Conservatives were also elected in other Jewish districts in Toronto.
A great victory for Conservatives and conservatism, not to mention Israel.
Hymie is talking with Hymie (one and the same) Duh.
Wiener & Shamrack- look to your selves before you cast stones.
Wiener, you jump into a discussion I am trying to have with Saffiya regarding Islam and talk about the intolerance of ultra orthodox Jews against secular Jews, suggesting that it is I who have raised it often on these pages when in fact it appears to be your pet peeve. You then proceed to call me a hypocrite. Shamrack, you jump in thinking the water is fine. It ain’t.
Let me give you both a piece of advice, though the stupid way you both jumped on me, I figure you both are too stupid to grasp what I am saying.
If you want to enter into a discussion:
1. offer something germane to the topic.
2. Offer something relevant to the issue. This issue at least is not about seeing how Islamic intolerance measures up against Jewish intolerance.
3. My point of reference is very precise. Saffiyah has attempted to provide me an answer, though it is lacking in being direct and informative in relation to the specific points I raised.
Your comments do not assist Saffiyah, but simply join Saffiyah in denigrating Israpundit as being bigots and hypocrites, though only the two of you called me a hypocrite.
4. I remind you that the topic at hand has to do with Islamofacist intolerance and hatred in the name of Islam against non-Muslims.
What you advise to base your spurious accusation of hypocrisy on, has to do with intolerance between different Jewish denominations which is an entirely different issue. In that regard, while there is an issue worthy of discussion of ultra Heredim being intolerant of secular Jews, you smugly ignore that secular Jews are just about as intolerant of the Heredim. Both sides need to find a way to better communicate.
Whatever issues both of you have with haredim intolerance, as far as I know, no group of heredim have taken their intolerance of secular Jews to a physically harmful and murderous level as Islamofacists have in the name of Islam.
Islamofacists to justify their terrorist acts, moved by hatred and intolerance usually cite exact literal passages of the Koran as their authority to commit their evil acts against non-Muslims. Indeed they have done so against Muslims as well and the fact is that more Muslims have suffered, been maimed or murdered at the hands of Islamofacists than have non-Muslims.
Finally Wiener and Shamrack, I should not have to tell you that it is very disrespectful and wrong of you to hurl baseless and irrelevant accusations like waving an unloaded gun around, which is exactly what you have with your comments.
I suggest that both you need to take Shamrack’s advice and engage in a little self examination.
If you want to discuss problems between Haredim and less orthodox and secular Jews, do it.
There are quite a number of experts who contribute to Israpundit who can provide you with an informed and lively discussion and debate.
I too have witnessed on numerous occasions haredim intolerance.
Hypocracy rules the day on Israpundit. A little self examination is in order.
Bill Narvey
There is nothing in our religion that advocates hatred of anyone since all are God’s creation. Even those animals we are forbidden to keep as pets (dogs, only allowed as guard dogs) or pigs (eating) are to be otherwise treated kindly.
The verses that some cherrypick to prove Islam’s intolerance, are warnings and serve as deterrants.
That said, religion fits human nature, not the other way round. If you want to justify mass slaughter from your Book, you can. However someone else will interpret it differently.
I’m still awaiting a response from Belman who claimed to be under threat from Muslims, and that justifies his calling for them and Islam to be hated. I aksed him why when we had a chance we did not kill the
as he called them. We had the power to kill every non Muslim living under our rule. He has yet to explain why we did not do that, in a Caliphate, whose consitution is the Quran. Mr Belman, please answer It’s clear that Mr Belman has never open the Torah either or he’d see that Mohammed is an amateur compared to Joshua bin Nun and the Prophets of old.
Saffiya, as a self avowed devout and proud Muslim, do you really think you do yourself or your faith any credit when you engage in such name calling and vile accusations of bigotry and Islamophobia.
Incidentally there is no such thing as Islamophobia. It is an Islamofacist or radical Muslim propaganda word that is devoid of meaning. There indeed are some people who fear Islam and Muslims. It is no phobia. The Islamofacists that commit terror in the name of Islam have provided non-Muslims with a real basis for their fears of Muslims and Islam.
For a rational person, which I trust you also credit yourself with being, people who hate Muslims just because they are Muslims would be rightly called bigots. There actually are relatively few in the West that would fairly be considered Muslim/Islam haters, in spite of what CAIR, ISNA, MAS,MSA, SPHR, etc. continue to claim.
In fact the 2009 FBI study on religious based hate/racism/bigotry complaints/crimes indicates the least number of such incidents against Muslims whereas the greatest number of such incidents are against Jews.
I earlier asked you to explain a number of Islamic teachings that I identified.
You tacitly admitted Islam is intolerant but spuriously suggested Judaic writings were also a basis for intolerance. I was speaking of the hatred, intolerance, persecution, maiming and murdering of non-Muslims by Muslims today.
Today there is only one group of religious adherents who preach and follow a doctrine of hatred and intolerance and that group is Islamofacists who voice their hatred and commit acts of terror in the name of Islam.
I asked you whether you personally believed in the 7 or 8 teachings of Islam that I generally described as doctrines of Islamic hatred and intolerance of non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians 2nd.
You did not answer.
I don’t intend to get into a name calling match with you Saffiya.
I only ask that you respond to my questions I ealier put to you and provide a reasoned explanation.
No i don’t have hair on my chest, i’m not a man, so no thanks, I certainly don’t want any. Thanks for proving me right about Taqiyaa, in the end you admit you believe it’s a tool for lying.
Shyguy, do you know who obadia shoher is?
Fermented and distilled cactus juice. I like it, good for the heart and circulation. Think medicinal remedy. Try it, it’ll put hair on your chest; if you don’t have any now?
Don’t know! I just agree with much of what he writes but certainly not all.
You are correct at least formally re: taqiyya
Problem is it is used not defensively but as a tool in the war of Islam against us.
Nope, they simply fled the insanity that is Iran to live their life the way
they want in peace and freedom. They are average, decent, middle class people.
Yamit82
i don’t drink Tequila or alcohoal, it’s 7aram for me, and what is
by the way i left a comment somewhere, asking if you knew who obadia shoher was, since you link to him a lot. Which israeli politician is he?
Shyguy
You’re comparing apples to oranges. When I said “you guys invented“, it was Islamophobes who invented that “Taqiya” means lying to non believers. By that logic, EvilDoctor should have assumed his friend was lying to him.
The verse in Surah An Nahl, means the real Taqiya. The verse means that you can pretend to be something else if your life is in danger. That was at a time when being Muslim meant death. If a Muslim ever faces that situation he can comit a Taqiya, and then revert when the danger is over. The reason for this, is saving a life, which is obligatory. It’s really only the Shia who practice that, and it’s not all that common.
That is something that is permissable only to save a life. But Islamphobes pretend that Taqiya means lying to the non Muslim.
Safiyya has employed a double taqiyya! (Or a nested taqiyaa, to you computer programmers out there).
Bartender, I’ll have a taqiyya sunrise!
Yeh. A term we guys invented!
But our friend Syphilis here isn’t really practicing taqiyya. For the most part he’s straight forward, spewing the Islamic vitriol and bile we’ve all come to know and love.
As for Syphilis’s dawa skills, I say he deserves an F-. He’s only fortified everyone’s disdain and derision here for everything that is Islam. Back to the madrassa you go!
I prefer TEQEQUILA to TAQIYYA,…how about you?
It’s more than a very large iceberg, I’d characterize it as being unimaginably colossal. The arrogant “ignorant peasants”, as you correctly call them, are in for a a big surprise as the antipathy to their 3rd world, 7th century loathsome “religion” is met by a tsunami of unrelenting opposition. We in the West are often slow to get off our butts, but when we do watch the F out!
Quite good Roslyn.
Safiyya,
People like Yamit, Shy Guy, evildoctor, etc., represent only the tip of a very large iceberg… Aside from our fifth-column liberals and leftists (and not all of them are fifth-column), most Westerners are rational enough to have taken stock of Muslim behaviour and beliefs, and have decided that they don’t want anything to do with them.
People in the West don’t talk much about their inner reactions to Islam, but I would recommend that Muslims not assume that they can get away with the kind of disgusting behaviour and attitudes we see all over the world. A very visceral reaction is lying latent within those who want no truck with the Muslim faith in general, and Sharia in particular. We in the West have no need of ignorant peasants masquerading as “holy men” – you call them “Imams” – telling us what to do and how to behave, so I recommend that you back off from the mindless promotion of what you consider to be the only true and beautiful faith in the world. The consequences of pushing the people of the West “over the edge” can, and will, be very ugly. The Muslims in Eurabia will ultimately discover this…
Northerner,
How would you know the Muslim mind, when you hang around with Islamophobes?
To sum it up it up one sentence, would a Chemistry Phd, explain the intricacies of the period table to someone in the kindgergarten? One doesn’t discuss Islam with those who do not even know the basics of Islam. Besides, the topic here was not Islam. If i started correcting the lies and nonsense at this site (over 90%) i’d be here forever. No thank you. This is a paid propoganda site, where far right extremists and anarchists and other misfits congregate to salivate over the illiterate ramblings of the likes of Belman and Levinson.
The colossal failure of your cause is evident by the number of Americans and Canadians who are converting to Islam.
You’re tools in God’s hand. You think you rabble rousse against Muslims but you actually help in spreading the faith. Just as the Prophet foretold, and just as God said in the Quran, so it’s coming to pass.
Evil Doctor
LOL, you ignorant Islamophobes, really take the cake, I mean looooooooooool, shouldn’t you be saying that your “friend” was indulging in TAQIYYA, a term that you guys invented
Is Safiyya really Muslim? I’ve been on another site where someone claiming to be Muslim was clearly ignorant of Muslim thought.
Safiyya’s purpose here seems to be more about “hassling the Jews” than explaining Islam. I’m assuming this person is not Muslim.
Back in the celler with my meds, bottle of scotch and a coupla joints.
I didn’t say nor I believe, did anyone else here say that the Arabs have not made contributions, indeed great contributions, to humanity. But, like, whaddya done lately? In this world one gets to rest on their laurels for about 10 minutes, not 1000 years! OK lets say that the situation currently existing in the Islamic world is a distortion of Islam because the “dictatorships, strange beliefs”, etc. have perverted what is (for want of a better word) the “true” meaning of Islam. Perhaps you can enlighten us how a Muslim country would comport itself under the rule of Islamic law as you note above.
Nonetheless, does not the Koran explicitly call for the subjugation of those who are not Muslim and that non-believers must suffer a multitude of iniquities? I admit that I’ve only read the Koran in (English) translation however one time I was at a Muslim friend’s home and he showed me a beautifully bound copy of the Koran, which of course he had read in its entirety in Arabic several times. He pointed at the book and said to me, “This book is full of hate.” I will never forget that moment.
Quebec didn’t vote for the NDP because of anti-Semitism. Quebec has a strong socialist past that they are proud of. Voting for the NDP was in line with that.
They probably also wanted some control over Harper, and a strong NDP opposition could do this. Harper has shown arrogance on several occasions in the last year, and that didn’t go down well in Quebec.
The NDP does not have communist roots. It’s first leader was Tommy Douglas, a Christian pastor who was part of the social gospel movement of his time. He brought many needed social programs to Saskatchewan, all without bringing the province into debt. He was voted by the Canadian public as the greatest Canadian of his time.
Harper belongs to the Alliance Church of Canada, and it is not anti-Semitic in its teachings. He is pro-Israel. I am happy that he is pro-Israel and happy that he has his majority because we still need to be conservative in our spending as we still have debt from the recession.
The NDP is not pro-Islam. Many unions support the NDP, and many unions are anti-Semitic, and pro-“Palestine”. But Layton’s (the leader of the NDP) wife is outspokenly against Shariah law. And Layton has some Japanese roots I believe, and Japan gave refuge to Jews during WW II. Bob Rae’s ( the past leader of the provincial NDP) wife is Jewish. (Rae has since switched to the Liberal Party).